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BIASThe Guardian's Chitra Ramaswamy: "Is Reddit’s Ellen Pao just too radical for Silicon Valley’s unequal terrain?" says Reddit is famous for "its misogyny and porn", that the petition is in response to the banning of "harassing" subreddits and people hate her for being a Chinese-American feminist woman (archive.is)

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[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 558ポイント559ポイント  (86子コメント)

Why is Pao a feminist?

It's a matter of court record that her treatment of female colleagues is abysmal. In fact, she seems like more a misogynist than anything else.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 416ポイント417ポイント  (22子コメント)

Pao is a feminist because feminist now means "woman". It's the tautology they like to use to prove that people who dislike feminism actually just hate women.

[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 172ポイント173ポイント  (9子コメント)

I know.

In a way my question was somewhat pointing out that people should ask the question "Why is this person a feminist?"

I will give people additional food for thought:

If declaring you are a "feminist" is enough to be one, then declaring you are a member of "gamergate" is enough to be one (hey, no one is handing out membership cards for either group). If the "barrier to entry" is that low, then maybe it would benefit people on all sides to examine the actions of individual actors, rather than ascribing their deeds to the entire group.

Personally, I feel that the "feminists" really use this to their advantage quite frequently. How many times have we seen an incident where one disagreement with a single feminist is construed as an attack on "Team Feminist"? I mean, didn't the owner of NeoGAF just outright admit that this was his reasoning behind defending Anita Sarkeesian?

It's worth pointing out that de-legitimizing someones claims in this regard strips them of the protection of the herd and allows for their actions to be judged on individual standards of conduct rather than as impugning people who may not hold the same opinions, but self identify to the same "team".

[–]men_cant_be_raped 74ポイント75ポイント  (5子コメント)

Whoa, logic and a comment that is longer than two sentences?

Mansplaining alert!

[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

What can I say? I'm an incorrigible shitlord.

[–]jroth005 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

ShitLord?

Nay sir, thou hast ascended from Lord to PoopPrince.

'Tis a far more melodious fate then descention to the stygian pit that is a DukeyDuke.

[–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Cappo de Crappo if you will?

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    [–]jjkmk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Would be funny if we take over the term mansplaining, like listen honey let me mansplain how this actually works.

    [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm an activist because I say I am.

    I don't actually do any activism, but I still say I am an activist.

    Those activists actually doing activism aren't real activists, because they make me look bad.

    [–]radagast14 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good job. Good logic. And only few millions more people like you and we will reach the standards of public discourse on par with those of ancient Rome.

    [–]TerriChris 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To your point I also observe that if a person is critical of a woman that person is quickly labeled misogynistic.

    [–]stemgang 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

    And anyone who dislikes a particular woman must dislike all women.

    [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm glad you finally see the light. Make sure to check in for your mandatory "alternative" tattoos and piercings and don't forget to pick up your complementary pink hair dye.

    [–]Wolfbeckett 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Pink is too gender-normative, they usually use blue.

    [–]NikoMyshkin 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Feminist is now a word brought out whenever a woman is not treated better than a man.

    [–]Cross_of_Coronado 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, being against a woman is not good enough. We're against feminists. That's worse. So we are worse. Which fits the narrative

    [–]JEveryman 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What if you like feminism and women but just hate this brand and flavor of fuckery? What's that called?

    [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Sorry, it's still misogyny. If you're a woman then it's internalized misogyny. This is entirely dictated not on the disagreement in question, but instead by how many people can yell the loudest at each other, with the loser being basically Hitler.

    [–]JilaX 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    They're literally insulting the ability of all other women to make their own choices and hold their own opinion. Their view of women is equivalent to a caricature of a man from the 50s.

    [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Feminists infantilizing women when it's politically expedient to do so isn't anything new. It's extremely hypocritical, but it's not new

    It's like, "Ah look - here is a feminist making an appeal to the patriarchy to protect her interests. Does the day end in 'y'?"

    [–]JilaX 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It would be hilarious if I wasn't busy being terrified at how many actually follow that line of thought.

    [–]GooberGobias 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Almost all of feminism would be hilarious if it wasn't terrifying.

    If the radfems were comparable in size to the WBC, we could just all point and laugh. But this shit is so prominent that it has real political power, and that is fucking terrifying.

    [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think that makes you egalitarian. That's what "real feminism" is purported to be, and arguably a better name.

    [–]Vordreller 33ポイント34ポイント  (17子コメント)

    Oh, the taking away of negotiating for salary, to even the playing field for women, as she said it. Or did she say it like that? I don't remember.

    Clearly a feminist strategy, right?

    [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Certainly it's because she's a feminist and not because companies benefit by depriving employees of the opportunity to negotiate salaries and compensation.

    I mean, really. Who ever heard of a CEO wanting to screw their employees and pretend that it's for the "Greater good"?

    [–]Logan_Mac[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Sorry to be ignorant but companies in America CHOOSE to have negotiation of salaries? Isn't that sorted by unions or something? Here they're mandatory for every sector and salaries are updated yearly

    [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The "idealized" state for most Americans is every person acting as an individual actor and getting as much as they can negotiate relative to how they and their employer view their relative worth.

    You have to remember, Americans in general tend to value individualism so highly that they will choose it even when it puts them at an obvious disadvantage. This is why collective bargaining has been so easy to dismantle since it's emergence in the early 20th century.

    When I moved to Australia I was quite surprised that the government set what they call "Awards" for certain types of work. Even in that case, white collar jobs (professional jobs) have no declared award because it's assumed that professionals will negotiate their own salary.

    [–]SlowRollingBoil 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Sorry to be ignorant but companies in America CHOOSE to have negotiation of salaries?

    They do in that they choose not to have a union. Each worker negotiates their own terms of employment (though they're 95% the same). What this means, though, is that you don't have collective bargaining rights as a single employee. When corporations do horrible things to their employees they unionize. Though, more likely, the corporation cracks down on it and closes branches or moves HQ to avoid unions.

    There's a terrible anti-union feeling in the country right now. Basically, crab mentality. Our middle class has been shrinking for years due to globalization and an emphasis on corporate well being over worker well being, As a result, anyone who still "has it good" by being in a union job with a living wage has to be torn down to their level.

    Crab in a bucket.

    [–]Wolfbeckett 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's important to remember though that the anti-union mentality in this country does not exist in a vacuum, it didn't come around because people are just stupid and don't know what's best for them. It came around because we had a lot of problems, back in the old days when unions were strong, with unions being corrupt, collecting high fees from members while doing almost nothing for them. The current anti-union sentiment is the backlash from that.

    [–]SlowRollingBoil 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There are myriad reasons, to be sure. In my opinion, much of it is propaganda. I live in a state that was heavily pro-union and watched as Republicans turned the average person not just against unions for having respectable pay for respectable work, but even started the whole "teachers are driving Porsches!" BS.

    I watched Republicans demonize the common school teacher. Meanwhile, I know dozens of teachers and they make crap, have terrible benefits, pay freezes, pay step creations in front of them, concessions like crazy, etc. All to break the unions so that private schools can come in where they end up working for even less.

    TL,DR + Disclosure: I'm heavily biased and I know that. I'll acknowledge that other unions have done some dumb things in the past.

    [–]Wolfbeckett 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not to worry, I'm more or less on the same page as you. I think the concept of unions overall is good for workers. It just needs some kind of oversight this time to make sure that people who are forced to pay into a union are getting something of value back out of it.

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      [–]Anonymoose15 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You realize that even in your glorious socialist republic not every person is in a union yes? There are very few white collar unions existing in the whole world and most engineers and programmers are not. So everyone in your country is lockstep in their salaries? No one gets to say "Well I was a major part of this big contract we had this year, I think I should get a bigger raise" or when being hired "Well my experience is this, you have offered X, but I think that due to this experience which is undoubtedly what you are hiring me for, I should get Y" or even "Well I had a 4.0 GPA and did a lot of research in this topic, I'd like to join your team, you have offered X, but I think I'm worth Y, canyou give that to me?" That's what salary negotiation is.

      [–]Vordreller 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Uh, I'm from Belgium, so I don't know. It probably depends on the kind of job you're getting as well. Like, for most manual labor it is indeed the case that salaries are updated yearly, based on age and experience in the company.

      For programmers, not so much. You could go years with the same salary because you're just doing the same work. Or you could go ask for a raise.

      Unions aren't everywhere.

      [–]mansplain 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      American here, manual labor is very often non union without any form of government salary oversight, the only people gaurenteed anything like that are government employees or contractors that work primarily with the government.

      [–]Vordreller 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I remember doing a summer job in food processing and the chart of salaries was actually on the wall in the kantine.

      Years at the company on the vertical axis, age on the horizontal one. And then you picked yours and boom, that's your monthly salary for that year.

      [–]mansplain 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      How long ago was this?

      [–]Vordreller 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      summer 2010 or 2011 I think

      [–]mansplain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Crazy, never encountered anything like that.

      [–]STARVE_THE_BEAST 80ポイント81ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Feminism talks a lot about empowering women, but it's really about empowering feminists.

      [–]DeMatador 60ポイント61ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Like any authoritarian movement, it's simply about empowering themselves.

      [–]skekze 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Death to Ming!

      [–]TerriChris 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

      It's like they powered their way to equal opportunity, which is fair, but now feminists demand equal results and respect if they fail.

      [–]StJimmy92 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Because equal opportunity is given, but results and respect are earned but take work which is hard.

      [–]TerriChris 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Worse. Sometimes desired results come from timing or luck or right place in addition to hard work. Feminists seem to ignore these facts.

      [–]Tumdace 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Equal opportunity already exists in the western world. Equal results, not so much, and there's a REALLY good reason for that.

      [–]TerriChris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If leadership, innovation and getting rich was easy...

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        [–]wazzup987 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Actually if you go by the technical definition of empowerment then they dis empower women becuase if you look at when ever they say we need to empower women it's almost always followed by therefore men/corporations/government need to do some thing for women .

        Empowering means giving people more choices and more freedom not have the buercracy do stuff for you.

        [–]DoctorEmo 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Like he for she. Women are strong and powerful, but men have to help us do everything.

        [–]BabaXIII 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

        Don't forget she believes women are too dumb/bad to argue for a raise or to negotiate their salary.

        She's literally more sexist than most sexists I've seen on reddit.

        [–]ithinkineedanap 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        There have been studies that show women are less likely to attempt negotiations or be as successful at them. But in that respect, if Pao really wanted to address that issue, she would instead look at ways to help such women become better negotiators, not to just eliminate the ability all together, as if out of sight, out of mind is a reliable way to address a problem.

        Interestingly, there was at least one study that found male applicants were more willing to attempt negotiations, and male interviewers were more willing to be open to negotiations, and had a slight bias towards negotiating with male applicants. However, when it came to women, female applicants would still negotiate (although far less than their male counterparts) but female interviewers were by far the least willing to negotiate in any situation, be it with male or female applicants.

        Basically, your best bet is to be a male applicant negotiating with a male, but your next best is to be a female applicant negotiating with a male. Your worst case regardless is to be any applicant attempting to negotiate with a female.

        It would be interesting if that is a factor with Pao as well. She may be doing it under the guise of leveling the playing field for applicants, but perhaps the true motivation (or second motivation) is that she simply doesn't want any applicants negotiating regardless of gender or perceived gender inequality.

        [–]NikoMyshkin 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

        That's what I don't understand about a lot of people of both genders that claim to be feminists - they act like women are precious little cherubs that cannot manifest their own best agency without male intervention. This directly implies that these very same people actually believe women to be inferior to men. Yet they are the ones screaming loudest about believing in equality. Men are treated like shit too, don't forget. That's the corporate world: you sink or swim on your own based on how well you act.

        In essence feminists hate the fact that equality doesn't always work in a woman's favour and whenever it doesn't they scream about sexism when in reality it is just women being held to the same standards as men.

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          [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She's a feminist because she sabotaged the careers of several females in the company for which she worked so she could file a fallacious sexual discrimination lawsuit in order to pay off her husband's Ponzi scheme debts, then fired multiple females in the internet company at which she was gifted the position of CEO in order to show how few females are employed at tech companies.

          [–]wazzup987 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Becuase men. Modern feminists don't acknowledge women as human but as an ethereal concept to be worshiped that can do no wrong but is always the victim and can't solve it own problems. And if a women does do some thing wrong she can't possibly be a peice of shit it MUST be a mans fault some where down the chain of cuasality.

          [–]EliteFourScott 40ポイント41ポイント  (19子コメント)

          It's a matter of court record that her treatment of female colleagues is abysmal. In fact, she seems like more a misogynist than anything else.

          You say that like this is at odds with being a modern feminist.

          [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 14ポイント15ポイント  (18子コメント)

          Or a historical feminist. Feminism isn't about freedom. They don't want you to have choice. They want all people, especially females, to be subservient to their interpretation of feminist ideals.

          [–]RedStarDawn 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

          This mostly applies to third wave feminists (and second to a lesser extent). Original feminists were about equality.

          [–]NikoMyshkin 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Original feminists were about equality.

          They are all long gone now.

          Currently feminism is about enforcing female supremacy. But only for women that tow the feminist line by sparing no occasion to shame men and screaming loudly whenever they are not treated better than men.

          [–]RedStarDawn 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Not all are gone. The good feminists are ostracized, told they are not actually feminists, etc.

          [–]NikoMyshkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I'd love to see some links to some live, fair feminists

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              [–]MyLittleFedora 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Has she ever actually publicly self-identified as a feminist? I feel as if she may have done but I also wouldn't be surprised if the media just decided she was one on her behalf.

              [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I get the distinct impression that the media just ran with her story as some sort of "Trial of the Century" for Feminism, and then dropped the narrative quickly after she lost since there was no way to spin it as anything other than a flat out fair loss for "Team Feminism" (which of course, is the fake narrative they created in the first place!)

              Certainly all we know about Pao is that she is not, nor ever has been, politically active, or particularly outspoken on any of these issues prior to being the interim CEO of Reddit and that, as the court testimony revealed, her work attitudes towards female colleagues and subordinates are rather... "unenlightened" to say the least.

              [–]piv0t 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Misandrist in action, actually (ends). Feminist in result. (Means).

              In her eyes the ends justify the means

              [–]ProblematicReality 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Your doing that thing again, letting facts and reality get in the way of the narrative.

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                [–]Seruun 203ポイント204ポイント  (22子コメント)

                I always thought Reddit was famous for being a simple-yet-well-made internet forum who has hosted low-barrier Q&A sessions with pretty important people, but no apparently it is just misogyny and porn... all of it.

                [–]Logan_Mac[S] 188ポイント189ポイント  (13子コメント)

                Also gotta love how puritanical "progressives" now associate porn with bad, when less than 20 years ago it was the conservative right being against it based on religious moral values

                [–]Dranosh 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

                At least they were being consistent, the progressives now have 2 factions the ones that believe porn is empowering and the ones that believe it's literally patriarchal rape

                [–]ithinkineedanap 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Is it that consistent though? Whether the porn is empowering or patriarchal rape still seems to depend on the context of both the porn itself and how it's being consumed. Do those that consider it empowering still believe so in the context of it being fodder for dudes to jack off to, or only in the context of it being a woman's right to be sexually expressive with her own body?

                [–]NoGardE 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I think he meant the conservatives are/were being consistent.

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                  [–]90854263980508928534 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Conservatives did participate, but the anti-pornography activism of twenty (and thirty, and forty) years ago was feminist-led.

                  The language of opposition to pornography has been Women Against Pornography's, not Morality In Media's, since at least the '80s. The infamous Meese Commission report's conclusions—that pornography is and causes "coercive" male sexuality; that there exists a violently oppressive "porn culture" that should be eradicated to save women—came from Andrea Dworkin, not from Jerry Falwell. '80s conservatives conflation of pornography and misogyny—the primary rhetoric by which they made their case—was an adaptation to the dominant discourse, a way of joining the winning team.

                  Religious conservatives have been feminists' "useful idiots" for decades.

                  [–]continous 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I really like porn, can you just beat me instead?

                  [–]Finnish_Nationalist 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I'll beat you if you beat me.

                  [–]Durandal7 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The beatings will continue until the Patriarchy improves.

                  [–]CoolioThane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm just gonna beat myself ;_;

                  [–]lethal_weapon_five 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If you go too far left you eventually turn right

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                    [–]DeMatador 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Let's not forget this site is being ran by Pao.

                    Willingly.

                    [–]MahMetaMeme 41ポイント42ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Basic logic is lost on this retard. Pao is shit to her employees and especially woman. If she is championing this site then she is the CEO of a "misogyny porn site" - hardly worth defending. Then not doing a drop of fucking research into the insane censorship that Pao has instated.

                    Pao is a jealous, manipulative sloth that has entrenched herself into a position she is not only too naive to command but also too ignorant to learn and it's obvious to anyone that is internet literate, which this report has shown that they are not. Deepfreeze will be their end.

                    [–]shift6_is_an_idiot 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Sorry to be pedantic but simple ignorance can be combated by learning. The words you may be looking for are stupid, moronic, ect.

                    [–]MahMetaMeme 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I've always believed that naivety is the lack of knowledge that leads to inaccurate assumptions whereas ignorance is the refusal of information in order to sustain them.

                    [–]shift6_is_an_idiot 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    What you seem too mean by ignorance is what is known as "willful ignorance" which is a whole new level of delusion.

                    [–]MahMetaMeme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Ah, thank you. I'll specify that from now on.

                    [–]Waruko 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It will always be famous to me for being the place Civ fans helped that guy with his ten year long Civ 2 game.

                    [–]b3nny09 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I always thought a good analogy for reddit was "4chan with a condom"

                    [–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg 59ポイント60ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    I don't give a shit that Pao is a woman. I don't give a shit that she is asian. I do not give even give a shit that she is a feminist. But I do give a shit that she is a running reddit into the fucking ground. I'm going to go ahead and assume this is the case for everyone else who wants her removed from her position.

                    [–]LamaofTrauma 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    You'd assume wrong. There's definitely some people that hate Pao for being a woman, or for being Asian. There's gotta be at least ten of them. Maybe even eleven! They just happen to be completely drowned out that hate Pao for what she's done instead of who she is. B

                    [–]87612446F7 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I dislike her for being an obviously shady person that belongs in federal custody along with her dear husband.

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                      [–]ragegun 96ポイント97ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

                      [–]AceyJuan 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That law only works when the headline author is competent. If they're a moron, they could well imply negative and go on to prove it true.

                      [–]ac4l 188ポイント189ポイント  (15子コメント)

                      I wonder if the Guardian could go a week without using the word misogyny.

                      [–]FSMhelpusall 89ポイント90ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I doubt they could go a day.

                      [–]The_Profit_ 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      5 mins tops

                      [–]FSMhelpusall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And even then they'll be sweating and turning red.

                      [–]SirTrumpalot 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Having searched the Guardian website for the word "misogyny" here are the results.

                      • In the past day, 3 seperate, non-related articles used the word misogyny.
                      • In the past week, misogyny was featured in 9 articles.
                      • There was actually an 8 day lull in the use of the word misogyny the week prior.

                      So technically the Guardian can go a week without using the word misogyny but it still loves using it

                      [–]ithinkineedanap 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      In that 8 day span, maybe they just compensated for it by using "transphobia" a dozen times or something.

                      [–]NikoMyshkin 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      nice, some actual research

                      [–]Wolphoenix 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      That's literally misogynist thinking right there! That comment justifies them using it bi-hourly!

                      [–]Luimnigh 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Please, bi-hourlies don't exist.

                      [–]Wolphoenix 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Now you're just being transmisogynist! See! This is why I need feminism, Guardian style!

                      [–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I would not bet on it.

                      [–]Cthulhu_the_White 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      why would they, its the new buzzword

                      edit: that being said if everyone keeps using for every article it'll lose it's current meaning

                      [–]87612446F7 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      it already has for me

                      [–]ReverendSalem 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It's meant "disagreed with a woman at some point" for me for a while. It's starting to mean "disagreed with a beardy white dude that thinks he knows what's best" currently.

                      [–]wazzup987 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The building would collapse

                      [–]tunafish91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Maybe when they were a respectable news outlet.

                      [–]BeardRex 102ポイント103ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Pao is a ruthless fatcat. If she was a man they would despise her.

                      [–]TriangleDimes 85ポイント86ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      I've seen this come up a lot, people saying that everyone only hates her cause she is a woman. As if she is the first controversial, publicity-seeking CEO who has attracted negative comments online. Donald Trump's entire life is dancing between the raindrops of vitriol, anyone on that level who acts as a mouthpiece and face for the company will deal with this. If she were a man, the Guardian would use the word "controversial" instead of "radical," and we all know it. This fucking tokenism so eagerly lapped up by these assholes is incredible. If she came out as transgender she could shoot an astronaut in the face and still end up on a "Top 50 Under 50" list.

                      [–]BeardRex 80ポイント81ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The part that drives me the most insane is when people call her a "woman in tech". That's got to sting for women doing actual tech work.

                      [–]redwall_hp 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Indeed. Calling any women who happens to work for a tech company in some capacity a "woman in tech" is kind of insulting to women who actually do work in the field.

                      Programmers are a meritocratic bunch. I think most don't care one bit who a person is, judging someone entirely on their skill. If you can do something impressive or at least demonstrate competence...congratulations, you're in the club. Some people just might be put off by the elitism, but that's all it is: programmers care about what you do, not who does it. But if you can't pull your weight, nothing will earn that respect.

                      Because of this side of hacker culture, making someone out to be what they're not can be seen as a personal insult and an attack on their credibility. So an actual women in a technical field could easily take offence to someone who is not being passed off as one. It's a slight to them and diminishes their "street cred," as well as perpetuating the unfair initial question of "is she really one of us or a phony?"

                      [–]JizzCreek 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Gotta sting even more for all the women in tech that she's fucking fired.

                      [–]Shippoyasha 64ポイント65ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      I love how they mention 'porn' like it is a bad thing. Many in reddit feel free to say they appreciate porn. That freedom is great. I will never understand how anyone could use it as some automatic negative. Unless it happens to coincide with how modern feminism intends to categorize porn as misogynistic.

                      [–]anon445 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      A man having sex with a woman is literally rape

                      [–]LongDistanceEjcltr 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      No no no, you don't understand. Let's not be unfair. It's not rape every time. You just have to have prior consent, ideally in writing, use an alcohol meter to make sure she's not drunk and watch out for odd behavior to make sure she's not drugged. Then you're good to go! Well, unless she later on decides that sleeping with you was a mistake, then it's rape. Please don't rape women. Yes sometimes means no, respect that. /s

                      [–]ithinkineedanap 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Maybe the idea is that the bureaucratic process of ensuring consent is also drawn out enough that it ensures you'd be sober by the time sex would occur, also providing subsequent time for one to reconsider their choices and back out if necessary.

                      It's like a 48 hour waiting period for a firearm or something.

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                        [–]niczar 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Indeed. And a man refusing to have sex with a woman because she's fat, transsexual, had too many partners for your tastes, too old, or any other characteristic you don't like is pure misogyny.

                        But the worse is clearly refusing to have sex with a woman because you're gay. That's the worst, because all men are raging rape machines by nature, it's something we can't deny or overcome. Therefore when a man refuses sex with all women that means he must have a cosmic hate for them.

                        [–]Xzal 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        This is why you can tell modern feminism is turning into a sham too,

                        Porn is the "ultimate" misogynistic thing according to hardline feminists, but they won't dare attack the porn industry, because the women who are in it legally will go into uproar at them.

                        Besides its better to have porn remain legal cause then you can point at it and go "See! miso-soup!"

                        [–]Gamer9103 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Nothing is "turning". Porn has been evil according to hardline feminists for a long time, at least since the 80s/90s.

                        [–]Gazareth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Hardline feminists were nowhere near as prominent as they are now.

                        [–]Xzal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Alright pedant. is a sham.

                        [–]throwawayF845 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Miso soup! That's actually pretty funny. You're quite the witty shitlord, aren't you?

                        [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Yes. That's it. I refuse to believe that a human being wrote this with a straight face.

                        Curious how they never deign to explain HOW they know that an enormous group of people hates someone simply because of a particular set of traits.

                        [–]RavenscroftRaven 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Fits narrative -> no -> Must be the worst scum of the world, the narrative can't possibly be wrong!

                        There you go, explanation.

                        [–]Meakis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Just look at what the person has written. She has no experience writing an article of this nature or .. complexity...

                        [–]ComradePotato 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Wow, the comments are having none of it.

                        I wonder how long before the Guardian turns them off...

                        [–]LamaofTrauma 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        But that's crazy talk. I'd imagine half their page views are people that just need to give the Guardian a piece of their mind in the comment section.

                        [–]AceyJuan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The visible comments are all 4+ hours newer than this submission.

                        [–]CanadianJudo 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        people hate her because she is awful at her job.

                        [–]bozahrking 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You can be very awful at your job and get away with it if you can play the societally oppressed card.

                        [–]Vallorn_ 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Hark, a new star is beholden in the firmament, woven darkly into the constellation of My Soggy Knees as it joins with others in the narrative's grey sky.

                        May it's sister stars sing many reblogs in joy as they glare down upon the unworthy world below, and cackle as they dance.

                        But this I say upon these words; Doubt thou the stars are fire, doubt that the words are true, doubt that my blood is blue. But trust truth to out when all is said and through.

                        Oh constant stars, in them I read such drivel as they spin in their multitudes, exiled from the solid, real lands below to ever circle above in their safe space from all which is.

                        [–]mansplain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Many yet refrain then, let they be held unduly by their glimmering grace.

                        Above and not yet forward, seeking only the slender embrace of the multitudes.

                        For they lurk, not yet able to muster what must be.

                        Courage, again that which must yet not be.

                        Time becoming of the immortals .

                        [–]UsingUpTheNames123 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        How can this even be a thing?

                        The longer I'm on reddit, the more I'm seeing this kind of insanity in the main stream press.

                        [–]its_never_lupus 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's a GG thing specifically. The movement inspires a level of hated-fuelled hysteria in many journalists that I've never seen anywhere else.

                        Obviously in many cases it's a defence mechanism (all corrupt journalists should rightly be scared of GG, and we've seen there are many of them) but there's clearly a group of highly politicised journalists who see their job as trying to convince the world that everybody should think like them.

                        Yet none of them seem to realise their insanely over-the-top hit pieces are one of the major factors driving people to GG.

                        [–]Logan_Mac[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        If you followed GamerGate for like a month you'd see 10 of these pieces easily it's hilarious, the easiest and I think most effective way for press to attack its enemies is to label them as racist and/or misogynists

                        [–]87612446F7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        They'll move on to other buzzwords when those fail sooner or later.

                        [–]AceyJuan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Keep learning; things are worse than you think. Even the ethical journalists are utterly incompetent. The more you know about a topic the more you realize almost nobody has the first clue.

                        OR: If they're this bad when covering Reddit, why do you trust them on any other topic?

                        [–]foxyramirez 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I wonder if they realize this isn't helping. You can't just misogyny card nearly a quarter of a million signatures.

                        [–]AceyJuan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Why not? They made up statistics showing millions of rapes that never happened, then cried bloody murder about the tiny number of men convicted of rape. In an era with the lowest rape per capita in history.

                        A quarter million signatures just proves how widespread misogyny is. More signatures -> more proof.

                        [–]wazzup987 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        She's a feminist and doesn't realize that using that card so many time in a way that is divorced from reality made it worthless

                        [–]Cross_of_Coronado 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        She's a Shieldmaiden is what she is.

                        She has sooo many shields to hide behind. She's a woman! She's asian! Woman are opressed and Asians are too, if it fits the narrative.

                        What can you say against a double-opressed person? She's invicible. You can't critisize her. EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING THING YOU SAY - be it true as the fact that the pope is catholic - will be reflected from the shields.

                        WOMEN ARE GODS NOW! YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM, FILTHY PEASANTS! THAT IS HERESY! ITS BLASPHEMY! THIS IS MISOGYNY. LOOK HOW WONDERFUL WOMEN ARE. ESPECIALLY THE NOT WHITE ONES! THEY ARE MOTHERS! THEY ARE SO OPEN AND FRIENDLY

                        Also she flawlessy shats out lines like "If I’ve helped level the playing field for women and minorities in venture capital, then the battle was worth it"

                        NO! NO YOU HAVE NOT HELPED WOMEN! YOU'RE A SHITTY PERSON AND YOU HAVE ACTIVELY HINDERED WOMEN FROM GETTING INTO GOOD POSITIONS!

                        Yesyesyes it so easy: Reddit hates Womenz.

                        NEWS AT 5: REDDIT HATES HYPOCRITES!

                        Remember the AMA of Woody Allen? WHAT IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A WOMAN?? WE HATED HIM FOR HIS ATTITUDE. WE'D ALSO HAVE HATED A WOMAN FOR HER ATTITUDE

                        Fucking clickbaity stupid media. Fucking Ellen Pao.

                        God I hate how she can hide behind white knights and clueless "journalists" and can still claim that THEY are doing the good work here.

                        [–]Drakaris 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's The Guardian. It's a place that employs... "things"... like Jessica Valenti... What do you expect...

                        Why is the world so angry with Pao?

                        See? Lack of knowledge on the subject you're writing about is the requirement to be a journalist nowadays.

                        Could it be because she is a woman in a position of power

                        Ofc it is because Pao is a woman... /s

                        And what would you think will be the answer if you disagree with Ramaswamy? Let me give you a hint. She is a woman "of color"... So basically disagreeing with her means you're racist and sexist...

                        [–]Nzgrim 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Everytime someone tries to spin this as misogyny I just laugh and move on. Sure, redditors hate women. Which is why the blackout happened as a reaction to a female reddit employee getting fired. Because fuck logic.

                        [–]legitimateusername4 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        The best thing about a male CEO is when he's terrible at his job you can point out that he's terrible at his job without a legion of progressive journalists accusing you of bias.

                        [–]Totenglocke42 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Or if the CEO doesn't push the correct political agenda (like the HP CEO who's running for president as a Republican).

                        [–]Skutner 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        feminist my ass. she only looks out for herself

                        [–]anon445 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I wanted to say "so she's a feminist?" but even the most "radical" feminists stick together and support each other. Despite the SJW backstabbing that can go on, there's still an element of tribe mentality, and it doesn't seem like she even has that (except with her lapdog admins).

                        [–]RavenscroftRaven 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        You think she wouldn't put down Old Yeller lapdog if it could make her fifteen cents?

                        [–]Notmydirtyalt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Nope, the day we see mr popcorn being sacked from a lapdog admin position will be a day the schendfraude boils over.

                        [–]ViggoMiles 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I think everyone is getting lost in the fog. Pao shouldn't be the lighthouse for problems. Let's ditch the boogeyman in this and keep about the site's ethics in general.

                        She might herald the change, but it would and will be progressing without her.

                        [–]bozahrking 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        What's the evidence for that? All we know is that there is a tight correlation with speech control on reddit and poor leadership decisions that have even the mods revolt since she took the helm.

                        [–]___Rhand___ 30ポイント31ポイント  (23子コメント)

                        This reminds me of when Bush said the terrorists hated our freedom.

                        [–]redgoldblue 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        they do hate our freedom tho. islam literally means "submission". they hate the fact that american contractors live according to freedom in saudi arabian oil enclaves. they hate the ideas americans spread to saudi arabia. they hate our technology. they hate it all. you have no idea how completely fucked up and backward wahabism is. our two ideologies are incompatible

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                          [–]fourthwallcrisis 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Famous for misogyny and porn

                          Shitposting, old 4chan memes and SJW's.

                          [–]ThatFacelessMan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The problem really isn't Pao. She's just a symptom of the larger problem

                          It's the fact that reddit has been heading down a more censorship heavy path to make it more marketable for profit.

                          Investors don't care about FPH or Coontown. They care about money.

                          People on the other hand care about those kinds of things.

                          Pao revealed that in her apology. She wants to increase the user base to increase profitability. The easiest way to do that is to homogenize reddit into its most palatable form.

                          It's easy to push all the backlash on Pao because she's the most visible CEO we've had for awhile. She's already in the media being scummy, more and more scummy stuff happens on reddit, therefore Pao is making reddit more scummy.

                          The problem is that reddit is a collective endeavor by its users and content creators who operate on a platform that can't effectively make money. So their problem is that they're going to try to squeeze money out of this site every way possible until they find one that works.

                          I hope that one day there is a place where you could ask a cross section of the world's population to weigh in on such a problem, that might be able to crowd source an idea that is palatable, workable, and transparent to such a community.

                          [–]ev1lb1t 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I love how they continue to preach the "fatpeoplehate = harassment" angle.

                          "harassment" involves directing badgering, stalking, and intimidation AT an individual, not whisking their publicly-shared pictures to some far-flung corner of the internet to mock in a circle-jerk or posting in response to their flinging shit at you over the internet.

                          under this definition of harassment, every public figure currently in the public consciousness is currently being harassed by vast swaths of people 24/7, and the poor KKK have been "harassed" on social media so horribly they have twitter-ptsd.

                          [–]stemgang 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          They are circling the wagons. It doesn't matter if she is wrong; she is on Team Feminist, so she is right.

                          As long as she toes the line for their bullshit agenda, they will support her. But if she strays from the reservation, they will cannibalize her.

                          [–]AleisterJowley 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          If they want to galvanize the entire Reddit userbase to our cause then so be it. Because if we can continue grabbing the trust of the people already here then we can do some serious damage.

                          [–]bat32391 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Whoop there it is

                          [–]Provaporous 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I hate her because she is a terrible person married to a terrible person who surrounds herself with terrible people.

                          [–]vonmonologue 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I called it 3 days ago.

                          [–]redundanteater 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          What a piece of festering shit. Fuck all SJW assholes.

                          [–]Akesgeroth 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Reminder that the Guardian recently published an article saying white people who have barbecues are racist:

                          http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/04/barbecue-american-tradition-enslaved-africans-native-americans

                          [–]Xzal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I love how they parrot the "Were banning behaviour not ideas" tripe, but didn't actually bother to look into it any further.

                          [–]Meafy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Question mark in title , means author is speculating and is looking for validation of their views. Nothing to see here.

                          The worst rag in the UK (numbers are still dropping on number of readers) has found that it can still try and make money by hosting shit stirrers. Wish it would die off already , if not for the trust fund it would be dead , it hasn't made a profit in years because no one in the UK wants to buy their shit

                          [–]xXnewbsonlyXx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          "the guardian" that was your first problem right there.

                          [–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          How is this not made up? Is this some sort of performance art?

                          [–]dan4daniel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          That's some wicked fucking spin right there.

                          [–]lonmoer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Funny how they claim this about woman hating, when i'm sure that most people would probably be ecstatic if they announced tomorrow that Victoria Taylor was the new CEO.

                          [–]Tumdace 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          One of the comments is gold:

                          "When Pao was sacked it was sexism. When this women was sacked, it was just business. I would say Pao fits right in".

                          [–]Doc-ock-rokc 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          so reddit is the new 4chan?

                          [–]SuperShake66652 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          TIL moot quit 4chan to become an Asian woman with a business degree living in San Francisco and was CEO of his own rival site. Next they'll tell me Lowtax is secretly the God Emperor of /b/.

                          [–]jbleargh10,000 sockpuppet get! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Hope the guardian and feminazis understand that they are offending and dismissing people that work for free to add value to the company that chairman Pao runs.

                          When all misgynerds mods and contributors are gone, what srs/sjw/offended-kin will do? Create things? I doubt it.

                          [–]ManBearTree 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          It's interesting because they mention the site is visited by over 150 million users a day and that the petition now has nearly 200,000 signatures.

                          It seems like a small number, but I never saw it put better that the small minority that are angry are very likely the ones responsible for producing alot of the environments and content that exists on reddit and without these users the site becomes a ghost town.

                          [–]wazzup987 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Basically also any relation to manbearpig?

                          [–]Logan_Mac[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Everyone that has spent even less than a year on the internet knows that a petition reaching 100k+ is already a huge deal, and 200k this fast is telling of how much she's disliked

                          [–]Comrade_Brother 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          It's good to see that at least people in the comment section of that article point out the errors in the piece. There is still hope.

                          [–]Frari 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          One of them keeps bemoaning this as a "reddit invasion" but is using terms clearly showing them to be a redditor themselves, and probably a SRSer as well

                          [–]DrPepper_1885 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Huh? Too radical? She hasn't fucking done anything. She's not a disruptor. A creator. An inventor. She's a whiny fucking lawyer that weaseled her way into CEO at Reddit and sues and threatens people. Fuck her. Get her out of the valley and dispose of her off in the financial industry somewhere, where shitfucks like her belong.

                          [–]wisty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          How shit seems to have gone down:

                          • VCs in talks to for a $50M investment in reddit, around the time the fappening and GG are breaking.

                          • Reddit censors controversial stuff, with Yishan talking about the importance of free speech.

                          • The deal is announced.

                          • Yishan replaced by Pao.

                          • Reddit starts censoring more heavily.

                          The VC deal implies a $250 million valuation for reddit, which is very high for a glorified forum. And this is VC, so they expect it to be worth several times that eventually. IPO or bust, folks!

                          Basically, the investors funded reddit, hoping for a massive increase in valuation. The only way to achieve this is via massive changes. Yishan presumably quit because he couldn't or wouldn't make the changes. Pao then started making even more big changes.

                          So I think it's a mistake to blame everything on Pao. I think she's just doing her job.

                          [–]hellbourner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The guardian has always been a piece of shit

                          [–]bgp1845 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          someone said it either on here or on twitter or something.

                          but these articles are such inaccurate depictions of what the reality of the situation is so that the uninformed (in this case, people who don't use or know what reddit is) read it and get scared of it.

                          basically its for middle aged moms and 'normies' to read about the 3spooky5u internet boogiemen.

                          [–]sorasonline 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think selectively discriminating against your female colleagues with the intent to file a gender discrimination lawsuit based on your own actions is decidedly not the act of a traditional feminist. The woman is a sociopath.

                          [–]TayNez 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Boy, they're trying hard to spin this. Even the Guardian commentariat is having none of it.

                          [–]Lhasadog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I notice it never occurs to these writers that people might judge Pao based on her actions and behavior. Things that a court has in fact put under oath before the public for scrutiny. There is nothing misogynistic about being intolerant of bad actors. Repeated frauds and scam artists, and incompetents who clearly rise via manipulating their own sexuality to their benefit rather than through any valid job performance. These sorts of people exist across all lines of sex race and ethnicity. And sex race or ethnicity does not give Pao a pass on past behaviors. Just looking at the court record leaves the reviewer with the clear impression that Pao entered into the perfectly amicable workspace of Kleiner Perkins and deliberately attempted to lay the groundwork for civil claims regarding her sex. All while attempting to use sex for personal gain herself and being the agent creating a toxic workspace for others. When her husbands ponzu scheme blew up and they needed money she pulled the trigger in an attempt to extort a settlement from her ex employer in order to pay the fraud bills. When she lost she further tried it again. Somehow all of this mysteriously landed her at Redit in a job, field and industry she had no measurable work experience relating to. Shock of shocks it would seem that she is not skilled at doing a job she shows no actual qualifications for. And her lack of skill and ham handed toxicity have managed to rile up millions of Redit's users.

                          But no, it's all about Misogyny, Porn and Redit hates Asians. The media tells us so. We must listen and believe.

                          [–]HonorableSchoolboy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          People in the media say, "Reddit is famous for its misogyny and porn," and then use those statements as proof.

                          [–]derptwo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's the Guardian what do you expect?

                          [–]Grimlock2014 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          At least there is some sanity in the comments section. I wonder what the banned comments were.

                          [–]wowww_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This person is a retard. How do they even?

                          [–]Beastius 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          She's radical all right

                          [–]JohnStalvern 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Well, she's half right, Reddit is pretty famous for its porn. I've been pretty surprised by the sheer number of people I know for whom the first mental association they have with reddit is gonewild.

                          [–]Qvar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Wait... Isn't this gonewild? Huh, I knew the lack of titties was suspicious.

                          [–]AceyJuan 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Reddit is famous for "its misogyny and porn"

                          Completely true. Wait, let me explain:

                          misogyny: You can be famous for something you never did. Among hate filled SF residents, Reddit is famous for misogyny.

                          porn: If Reddit isn't famous for porn, it should be. Just look at all that list. In fact, consider this a public service announcement.

                          [–]randomcallsign 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Racists talk about race quite a lot
                          Sexists talk about gender a lot

                          Case is closed

                          [–]RollingEyeballs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Reditters are dead, ect, ect. yawn.

                          [–]sixtyth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          At this point, I'm expecting a 12-part series on Thatcher as a feminist icon and how the miners were all spotty misogynerds.

                          [–]CurryF4rts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          The Guardian has become a parody of itself

                          [–]FukRPolitics 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Let's be very clear about something: The media lies about everything, not just the shit you know about. It lies about everything.

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