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[–]aurisor 137ポイント138ポイント139ポイント 20時間 前 (52子コメント)
The literal and advertised sole purpose of that reddit is to demean & mock & brigade statements they don't agree with. The entire subreddit is literally just a list of links to comments with a list of grievances.
Arguing that SRS isn't harassing because they don't field a substantial number of comments or downvotes is sort of like arguing the KKK isn't racist because they don't kill many people anymore.
In both cases, it's very clear what they stand for, and being on "good behavior" doesn't make me any more willing to be associated with you anymore.
And just for the record, there's an obvious disparity of degree between SRS and the KKK. It's an extreme analogy but an apt one so you can go pound sand if you don't like it.
[–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 66ポイント67ポイント68ポイント 19時間 前 (11子コメント)
Why in god's name would anyone complain about brigading without talking about BestOf? It's orders of magnitude bigger than anything like SRS, with a demonstrated tendency to carpet-bomb every thread that gets linked.
If your main complaint isn't BestOf, you're not concerned about brigading; you're just here with an axe to grind.
[+]aurisor スコアが基準値未満のコメント-25ポイント-24ポイント-23ポイント 19時間 前 (10子コメント)
Brigading is by definition downvotes. /r/bestof is upvotes.
Like..that's the whole idea of reddit. Here's an awesome thing, everyone check it out. How is that distinction not obvious?
[–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 19時間 前 (3子コメント)
I have seen multiple cases where the people who dared to disagree with the BestOf'd comment have coincidentally found themselves with triple or quadruple-digit downvote tallies, sometimes on their whole comment history.
And even if that weren't true, upvote brigades are still flagrant vote manipulation. It's pretty clear why BestOf is tolerated - it produces a ton of reddit gold purchases.
If you hate brigading maybe you should be complaining about the sub with millions of users and not all these tiny bogeyman-subs...
[–]aurisor 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 19時間 前 (2子コメント)
I think the policy should be evenly applied. If /r/bestof does it they should get their ass kicked just like anyone else.
[–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 18時間 前 (1子コメント)
Fair enough. I'm just tired of this stupid SRS meme.
[–]ScionoicS 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
You're absolutely right. trp vs srs is one of the lamest grudge matches that redditors love to focus on.
[–]Killgraft 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 19時間 前 (4子コメント)
The reply, or the comment the best-of replied to, is often buried in downvotes.
I don't think theres a distinction between upvoting and downvoting when it comes to what brigading is considered, but regardless, when something is brigaded, 9 times out of ten whatever is counter to what is being downvoted is upvoted.
[+]aurisor スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 19時間 前 (3子コメント)
This would be the first time I've ever heard of mass-upvoting being called brigading.
It's when a group of people get together to down vote the same thing, be it a single person, or a group of people representing a dissenting ideology.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/24d8cj/whats_vote_brigading_and_why_is_it_illegal/
I'm totally open to being wrong on the term, but regardless of terminology I don't think anyone is concerned with other subreddits coming in and upvoting the crap out of great content.
[–]Killgraft 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 19時間 前 (2子コメント)
That's just a guy saying what he thinks it is, not an actual definition. idk where an actual definition written by administration exists.
Where a downvote brigade comes in, also come upvotes to whoever is arguing against it, and vice versa. It's just "vote" brigading at the end of the day, and /r/bestof are the reigning champs.
[–]aurisor -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 18時間 前 (1子コメント)
I agree, there's really no authoritative definition. I could be wrong.
All I can say is I don't think upvote brigading is a big problem. It could be annoying for tiny subs, because it would distort what's popular.
I can see & respect your point of view, and a site-wide policy against brigading might well go after upvote brigading once you start to bring more people into it.
I was mostly thinking from my own perspective, so thanks for the new angle!
[–]Killgraft 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
No probs! Brigading seems to be an issue of ratio rather than by just numbers, smaller subs can be brigaded by small amounts of people, but even defaults can feel the effect of brigading by larger groups, which can lead to the same distortion.
I mean, at the end of the day, maybe upvote brigading alone may not be the biggest issue(but I'd say it can lead to distortion as well), but when people upvote one thing they oft downvote the other. Admins say they're working on some new anti-brigading something or other so maybe that will help, because the idea of /r/bestof, showing cool shit on reddit, can and has lead to cool shit being seen by people may not have seen otherwise, but it can also lead to heavy distortion of vote patterns. Maybe if they had a rule where they could only link archived links, that could fix the issue.
[–]Caferace80 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
The idea i also downvotes too. Upvotes bring "good" stuff to the top and downvotes bring "bad" things to the bottom.
[–]TOMMPTTTC 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 19時間 前 (2子コメント)
The literal and advertised sole purpose of that reddit is to demean & mock & brigade statements they don't agree with
You can't say brigading is the advertised purpose when rule two is "ShitRedditSays is not a downvote brigade".
[–]aurisor -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 19時間 前 (1子コメント)
You can't say /r/candidfashionpolice is about underage girls because they say it's a fashion critique community!
http://i.imgur.com/LSVMhOk.jpg
[–]TOMMPTTTC 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
You said advertised, though. The only people advertising that it's a downvote brigade are the people who talk about it negatively.
[–]AsAChemicalEngineer 75ポイント76ポイント77ポイント 20時間 前 (27子コメント)
SRS glory days were long before admins had a policy on this behavior and basically was a test tube for them. If you want to make KKK comparisons that is your business, but the simple fact is that while the SRS of yesteryears would have been probably banned under current rules, the current SRS is just another sub I don't really like, but isn't really a problem.
[–]PullDudePowerBastard 145ポイント146ポイント147ポイント 20時間 前 (24子コメント)
The SRS paranoia is really odd. Someone will say something incredibly racist and get downvoted, and suddenly everyone's complaining about the SRS brigade. I wonder if they ever consider that maybe regular people just don't like seeing racist shit everywhere, and it doesn't take an SRS brigade to downvote it?
[–]IIIISuperDudeIIII 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 19時間 前 (18子コメント)
Oh, you don't like racist shit? You must be an SJW Tumblrina then! You should go somewhere else and hang out with your Trans helicopterkin! /s
[–]kirkum2020 70ポイント71ポイント72ポイント 19時間 前 (16子コメント)
The utter lack of self awareness is what I find the funniest.
[–]ScionoicS 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 18時間 前 (5子コメント)
Nice. Perfect example of a rage comic. When those got popular they really went down hill. This reminded me of how amazing they can be in the right context
[–]chimchang 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 17時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yeah dude, memes are the best.
[–]ScionoicS 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 17時間 前 (1子コメント)
You realize that a meme is just an idea which spreads right? I was only talking about rage comics. Not all ideas. Get on my level.
[–]chimchang 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 16時間 前 (0子コメント)
shit, i just got memed on.
[–]Will_Im_Not 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, reddit ruined rage comics. Just like this site ruins a lot of things.
[–]micmea1 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 14時間 前 (0子コメント)
The internet killed rage comics. Rage comics and adviceanimals spread to every corner of the internet because the first few rounds of them were genuinely funny. A rule of the internet is that any good joke will be beaten to death because there are literally millions of people trying to jump on the joke bandwagon at a time.
[–]BigBassBone 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
For serious.
[+]RedPill4LYF スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 17時間 前 (8子コメント)
So to sum up the comic, it's somehow ironic for people who have morally justified reasons for their outrage to point out that stereotypical Tumblr feminists are completely nuts.
inb4 "salt"
[–]JtheNinja 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 17時間 前 (7子コメント)
"But MY outrage is justified because I'm RIGHT!"
[+]RedPill4LYF スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 17時間 前 (6子コメント)
I realize it's a big straw man to lump all those things together, but even if half of it is nothing to get worked up about, some of them do warrant criticism. Do people on Tumblr have good points to make? I'm sure some do, but note my use of the word "stereotypical". The stereotypical Tumblrina is virtually always playing the victim to some imagined oppression that clearly is not true in reality. They also can't seem to understand what is so wrong with wanting to literally (yes literally) kill all men.
[–]Bowbreaker 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 9時間 前 (5子コメント)
And the stereotypical redpiller believes that all women are mentally children and deserve to be lied to and fucked by them. Your point?
[–]RedPill4LYF -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 8時間 前 (4子コメント)
You purposely straw man by pretending you don't know what generalizations are, like a child. Looks like logic wins again.
[–]Reddisaurusrekts -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
*attack-helicopter-kin
[–]HittingSmoke -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 19時間 前 (3子コメント)
Take an actual look at the front page of SRS. Almost none of it is "incredibly racist" or anything close. It's stupid off-color jokes or opinions they disagree with, like the guy who made a point about state-sanctioned history which disagreement with is illegal being bad in the context of holocaust denial.
[–]retinarow 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
But then also look at the vote counts. They're usually still the same if not more, which kind of goes against the theory of vote brigading.
[–]vodkast 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 18時間 前 (1子コメント)
Just taking a quick look, there's a comment about people of color having a "perpetual victim complex" and another where someone's angry that the media doesn't publicize black-on-white crime more. It may not be "incredibly" racist, but it's still racism.
[–]FarkCookies 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 15時間 前 (0子コメント)
If it is not outright racist it is loaded with very obvious agenda.
[–]Thin-White-Duke -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 15時間 前 (0子コメント)
People accuse others of being from SRS like what happened to people in the Red Scare. Someone accuses you of being from SRS? Downvoted to hell.
[–]FarkCookies 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 15時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is 100% spot on, plus your original comment. I am pretty sure no one who always brings up terrors of SRS in such threads ever witnessed anything maleficent from SRS. I got into argument with someone about it and decided to make a field survey and inspect most upvoted stuff on SRS. Guess what? It is not hitler's bunker. They mostly complain about outstanding racism and sexism, their community is not as big as of their "enemies", there are no significant traces of brigading (they even made a tool to monitor whether SRS brigades or not, there was a link somewhere, well no observable effects). SRS is total pure boogeyman, people always bring it up like they are some evil oppressors led by admins. For me this is example that majority of redditors are so tight in their thought bubbles that got totally out of touch with reality and just repeat stupid shit they heard somewhere.
[+]aurisor スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's easy to say if you're not one of the people being targeted.
The targeting of individuals and harassment is just so absolutely explicit and obvious there is no sane explanation aside from the admins turning a blind eye.
Like...if you really want to go there, I'd be happy to message all of the people from the top posts over the last few months and ask them if they've had any negative experiences. Are you a betting man/woman?
[–]BigBassBone 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
Harassment is an action, racism is an idea. Talking about shit they find distasteful isn't harassment, especially since there is little evidence that they brigade or harass anyone anymore to any large degree. Sure, they can't control everyone in their sub, but they really don't encourage or endorse brigading and harassment.
[–]MimesAreShite 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 20時間 前 (4子コメント)
The literal and advertised sole purpose of that reddit is to demean & mock & brigade statements they don't agree with.
No it isn't.
[+]aurisor スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 20時間 前 (3子コメント)
I'm not going to argue that. I respect your differing opinion, have a good one.
[–]Combative_Douche 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
The literal and advertised opinion
The literal and advertised
opinion
[–]nacholicious 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 14時間 前 (0子コメント)
My opinions are facts and your facts are opinions!
[–]jubbergun 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
Not only that, but when people say "SRS" these days they aren't talking about the sub itself, but the community that evolved from it that exists in SRS, SRD, and a handful of other subs. Sure the SRS subreddit isn't as active as it once was, but the people who gave it its reputation are still around and fomenting their hate and discontent in other places. We've all seen evidence of them, especially if you've been to TiA, KiA, or other "anti-SJW" subs and witnessed the 'phantom downvote' phenomenon where new and usually innocuous posts/comments that the communities in those subs would generally agree with get half a dozen or more downvotes right off the bat. Is SRS, the sub, still a thing? Maybe not, but SRS, the community, very much is.
[–]ccctitan80 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
The literal and advertised sole purpose of that reddit is to demean & mock & brigade statements they don't agree with. The entire subreddit is literally just a list of links to comments with a list of grievances. Arguing that SRS isn't harassing because they don't field a substantial number of comments or downvotes is sort of like arguing the KKK isn't racist because they don't kill many people anymore.
This metaphor sucks ass. "Harassing" describes a state of action while "being racist" describes a state thought. Having racist thoughts isnt against the rules and it doesn't take killing someone to be racist. Killing people has little to do with indicating whether someone is racist or not, however fielding comments and downvotes is a direct measure and indicator of harassment.
I'm really surprised about how you came up with that metaphor. If you stuck to your metaphor, you would finish it by saying "arguing the KKK aren't murders because they don't kill many people" or "arguing the KKK isn't racist, because they don't say racist things that often".
[–]sp0ck06 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
Arguing that SRS isn't harassing because they don't field a substantial number of comments or downvotes is sort of like arguing the KKK isn't racist because they don't kill many people anymore. In both cases, it's very clear what they stand for, and being on "good behavior" doesn't make me any more willing to be associated with you anymore.
But they aren't harassing by the mods definitions, and its been made clear that subreddits will not be banned for "what they stand for." Otherwise all the super racist, hategroup type subs would be gone as well.
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