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[–]TheCid 1967ポイント1968ポイント  (116子コメント)

With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience

I like how you phrase this like it was your decision and not that of the IAMA mods.

[–]kn0thing[A] 23ポイント24ポイント  (115子コメント)

That was our aim from the start, which I shared on defaultmods on Thursday (though I should have messaged the affected mods as soon as it happened). I made the mistake of first posting this publicly on r/outoftheloop instead of a bigger sitewide post.

Edit: and yes, I communicated this terribly. As I said on modnews about my behavior....

I was stupid. I’d been talking with mods all day on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view) and based on all the positive feedback I’d gotten, thought the tide was turning with the entire reddit community. And then I made glib comments that were on public subs in a bad attempt to be playful and have since edited the worst offender to acknowledge how stupid it was and remind myself to not be that dumb again. Ultimately, to 99% of our users, my comment history just showed a guy being stupid, and I’m sorry for that.

[–]that_dude_bro 208ポイント209ポイント  (62子コメント)

at least you're a meme on your own website now.

[–]kn0thing[A] 168ポイント169ポイント  (59子コメント)

Not worth it. I called Steve u/spez after I realized what a jackass I'd been and it was great, classic spez. It went something like.

Me: "Hey, dude, I fucked up...."

Spez: "Yep."

Me: "Thanks, dude. I'm going to make this right."

Spez: "First step: stop saying stupid things."

Me: "Thanks."

Good advice.

[–]krosington 82ポイント83ポイント  (13子コメント)

I have a question. You're a cofounder of this site so I know you had an original vision for it and feel personally responsible for its success.

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now? Are you proud of what it's turned into since its inception?

(Be honest, be the kn0thing we knew before the board-approved key messaging.)

[–]kn0thing[A] 101ポイント102ポイント  (11子コメント)

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now?

No.

Are you proud of what it's turned into since its inception?

Yes, in spite of all the shit we've put it through (and this includes my first 5 years here).

[–]kilwam 46ポイント47ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now? No.

What would you like to be different about reddit in five years time?

[–]xChrisk 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think a direct post to your users regarding a 6 month, 1 year, and 5 year goals would be interesting and help restore some faith.

I say this because it seems clear that a great deal of the drama over the past year stems from the administration of the site.

I know you've already detailed a 6 month plan, so I was more interested in long term. I also think that your users have no issues with being monetized as a product. They are just weary of being deceived in order to be better monetized. The community here is wonderful and I would argue that if you brought them to the table in this discussion they might surprise you.

[–]billndotnet 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you give users an opportunity to be understanding, it's a hell of a lot easier than getting them to be forgiving.

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    [–]xChrisk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not sure you understand the difference between a suggestion and a demand.

    They are admitting fault here. I made a suggestion as to how they might improve their standing with the community.

    The entitlement you speak of is coming from a narrative you seemed to have kneejerked into creating.

    [–]krosington 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for answering! I appreciate your answers and the work you're doing right now.

    [–]Elrond_the_Ent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A lot of the 'state of Reddit' is directly your doing. You've betrayed us and everything you once claimed to stand for.

    [–]sputs99 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All talk, reddit really wants to see some genuine action on administration's part.

    [–]halfar -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    h-h-hello, senpai.

    What's your opinion about when the front page gets flooded by a protest, like when everyone was posting all of the anti-pao stuff after /r/FatPeopleHate was shut down?

    [–]oldguynewname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So why do you care now? What made you realize that its time to give users what they want?

    [–]rya11111 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This spez guy sounds like a great guy. You should hire him.

    [–]kn0thing 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's a good idea.

    [–]rya11111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    heh. well all the best! I hope things work out.

    [–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit admins' plans for the future

    [–]halfar 51ポイント52ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Thank gods you've at least got a goofy face, senpai. ≷• ܫ•≶

    edit: look at this goofy bastard. He looks like he could be an extra on HIMYM as ted mosby's twin brother.

    [–]speedofdark8 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After this all blows over (drama always does) you should give yourself a cakeday-like icon next to your name of a popcorn kernel.

    I thought it was funny, though, not everyone here hates you for that depsite 5k downvotes :)

    [–]BigDaddy_Delta 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hire victoria back

    You screwed up by firing her

    Firing the guy in charge of redditgifts was a dick move too

    [–]Absinthe99 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Taste that Sizzle!

    Of course you do know what this means... every time from now on into the future that you have popcorn, well.

    [–]SwallowRP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought it was good. Didn't see that until now and it gave me a chuckle!

    [–]Elrond_the_Ent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can guarantee this conversation never happened. You didn't 'fuck up' in your mind. You got caught.

    Fucking admit it. At least show you have some respect for our intelligence.

    [–]BloodInMySaltStream 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    One of the founders of Fark lost his role within the organization many years ago for a comment almost identical to this. I was in the thread when it happened (You can see it here: http://www.fark.com/comments/2762299/Fark-site-redesign-is-now-live-Hope-nothing-breaks-were-all-out-drinking?startid=29867348#new)

    If ANY of my employees said this to anyone, they would be terminated. Insulting a customer in a job is a fast way to get yourself fired. And yet you are still here, communicating in a horrifyingly unclear fashion in various places. Do you believe you should stay? While all this possibility sounds well and good, where are the concrete dates? That is what I want to see. And the steps that will take place if the dates are missed. That's how you run a business. I don't envy you, and I know this isn't easy. But as a long-time user, and a person who has met many people, including good friends though Reddit, this place is very important to me.

    Someone made a great point below me, and will give many of us relief...

    I think a direct post to your users regarding a 6 month, 1 year, and 5 year goals would be interesting and help restore some faith. I say this because it seems clear that a great deal of the drama over the past year stems from the administration of the site. I know you've already detailed a 6 month plan, so I was more interested in long term. I also think that your users have no issues with being monetized as a product. They are just weary of being deceived in order to be better monetized. The community here is wonderful and I would argue that if you brought them to the table in this discussion they might surprise you.

    But we want hard details, and what happens if you miss...

    [–]Lpup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So when will you be stopping?

    [–]Phoneaccount2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This never happened.

    [–]HollowImage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    good talk doe.

    [–]sputs99 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Too late.

    [–]GiantSquidd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Translation: he's become a joke to reddit.

    [–]conspiracy_thug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    at least you're a meme on your own website now.

    In terms of the rare pepe market, those kn0thing stocks are penny stocks.

    [–]BostonDrivingIsWorse 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've seen you repeatedly state that giving the mods direct control over AMAs was always the intention, and that there was never any plan to monetize the format.

    I just curious why the sudden shift when it seemed like the format was already working so well? It also seems like the mods lamented /u/chooter leaving, and had no desire to take over the duties she was previously responsible for. As it stands now, the mods appear to be reluctantly taking over AMA duties only to keep from having to coordinate with the admins, now that Victoria is gone.

    [–]Ahremer 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Wait.. your goal was that the job Victoria did and you payed her for, will now be done by volunteers? Kinda smart.

    [–]Dimethyltrip_to_mars 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    no, they said they're looking for another full-time person for that position.

    i'm sure people are just going to come in droves for that position, knowing how well they fired the last one for no reason whatsoever.

    [–]LiteralMangina 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You don't know the reason, for all you know Victoria could have fucked up in a major way.

    [–]Dimethyltrip_to_mars 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    same goes for redditgifts dude too i suppose.

    doesn't change the fact that it is a bad look for future hiring practices.

    [–]Debasers_Comics 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If she had shit in a urinal or something, they would have leaked it by now.

    [–]El_Zombie 311ポイント312ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Uh huh.

    Popcorn tastes good.

    Edit: (CTRL+C, CTRL+V Apology Paragraph)

    [–]Madux37 97ポイント98ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Mfw I saw that comment and the absolute shitstorm it unleashed.

    [–]blue_dreams 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Orville Redditbacher, anyone?

    [–]VERYstuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ohanian Redditbacher

    FTFY

    [–]dangerdark 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Did you see him attempt to humanize himself when posting in that /r/amiugly thread responding to someone who told him to kill himself? It was so incredibly transparent it hurt.

    "Look everyone, I'm the bigger person and I still care! I mean this is the only example you'll find of me doing this, and it comes at a time when damage control is necessary, but I swear it's legit!"

    [–]cefriano 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    To be fair, it is literally the only example I've seen of him doing that. If someone cares to provide other examples, please feel free. But "popcorn tastes good" is the example I'm seeing pasted everywhere he comments.

    [–]noobit 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's because it's his "let them eat cake."

    [–]Duke_of_Pillows 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Look everyone, I'm the bigger person and I still care! I mean this is the only example you'll find of me doing this, and it comes at a time when damage control is necessary, but I swear it's legit!"

    I laughed out loud reading this. You are 100% correct.

    [–]daddylongstroke 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I absolutely love how butthurt everyone was over that comment. I thought it (and the subsequent reaction) was hilarious.

    [–]Akintudne 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    At the time, the site was in full protest mode. Ellen and Alexis were (seemingly) very quiet while major default subs were going dark. The comment came off as extremely glib and insensitive. When the site is on fire, the last thing people want to see is an admin toasting marshmallows.

    [–]OneBigBug 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Edit: and yes, I communicated this terribly.

    Can you...stop doing that? Like...take a class or something? Because honestly, for as long as I've been paying attention to stuff about reddit, rather than just stuff on reddit, admins have communicated horribly. In like...the worst possible way. So bad that it would be better to say nothing. Which is almost impressive.

    Like 99% of all the huge drama that ends up hurting this site is because you (the collective you) absolutely suck at communicating. It almost always traces back to that. All the decisions and actual actions that have been taken (more or less) would have been either perfectly fine, or at most a minor drama in the individual thread it was announced in if the community had been interacted with in a less ridiculous way. It goes far beyond one bad comment.

    I was going on to explain, but what I wrote ended up being ridiculously long. Suffice to say that not only does the way that mods are communicated with need to change, but the way you think about decision making at reddit needs to change. These arguments for why you're pieces of shit are like a cancer. (Like that guy that got fired has. Gotta love examples that pull double duty.) Left untreated, even for a short period of time, you'll be overwhelmed by them. And some day that cancer will get bad enough to kill you.

    If you think about any publicly facing action (including hirings and firings) without having a meeting where you have devil's advocates arguing with your decisions, and you formulating strong responses to the obvious arguments, and maybe even making you reconsider the action, you're doing it wrong and you'll keep having these problems.

    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe they can rehire Victoria as a Communications Training Consultant, since she was honestly the only one I'm aware of who was popular and good at it.

    [–]SolarAquarion 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for owing up to your mistakes

    [–]HowAboutShutUp 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you at some point aim to define, and publically spell out the rules about things like shadowbanning, brigading, and other inconsistencies with the application of consequences to subs and users? You keep saying stuff like "we're working on" "we're looking into" and so on--do you guys even have a set policy on what will get you shadowbanned or what a brigade is? You promised us transparency months ago and we haven't seen it. If you can't deliver, deliver a timetable, or an explanation why you can't/won't do it, instead of feeding us nebulous corporate claptrap.

    [–]mrv3 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

    How did the popcorn taste?

    [–]allthefoxes 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Everyone so mad at Alexis but he's right popcorn is amazing.

    [–]mrv3 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Certainly, there was a Popcorn landslide.

    It's just really funny how as this was breaking he first went to himself

    "Ah, a colleague was fired and people are mad time but they won't get that upset time to make a off hand joke at the expense of my colleague."

    Then 12 hours later

    "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"

    [–]xChrisk 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's an interesting dynamic when /u/kn0thing acknowledges that people love the drama while being partially responsible for causing it. It essentially just opens a worm hole of criticism from every possible angle, no matter how honest it is.

    I have this issue myself, sometimes acknowledging that what I did was stupid, but hey at least we can enjoy the popcorn inducing results.

    [–]mudclog 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm surprised /r/popcorn didn't hop on /u/kn0thing's endorsement

    [–]Boston_Jason -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I drowned this weekend in fireworks and popcorn.

    [–]Sakki54 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just wondering, what is your favorite brand of popcorn? Are you an Orville Redenbacher, Pop-Secret, Act II, or movie theater type guy? I need to refill my popcorn stash, and since you seem to be an expert on it I was wondering what your thoughts on the subject were?

    [–]raxcitybitch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm confused - you're replacing one person with a team, why weren't they included?

    To me, that seems redundant. I wouldn't replace a person who is fluent in C++ with a group of 5 who is fluent in VB.NET, to do the exact same task and more.

    [–]GetToDahChoppah 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How is that popcorn tasting?

    [–]Zezombye 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view)

    ...didn't you check even ONCE one of the subreddits?

    [–]Cacafuego2 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your post on /r/outoftheloop, which was spread widely, seems to say the opposite.

    In that post, and in several of your early postings or mod communications, you made reference to how you were going to help coordinate AMAs, how all there was a "team" helping coordinate AMAs, and so on.

    You mentioned "We're prepared to help coordinate and schedule AMAs". You didn't say anything about phasing that action out. You mentioned how some people could do AMAs without coordination, but it comes across more like trying to sooth the people upset that no coordination was happening.

    If this was your intent up front it seems like it would have been more clear. Instead it seems like you were scrambling at the time and what you're saying now is just what you've come up with in the meantime; which wouldn't really make it the plan all along.

    Can you share what you'd posted to /r/defaultmods that expressed that this was your aim from the start? The Outoftheloop posting definitely doesn't seem to indicate it.

    [–]_supernovasky_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't mean to sound crass or insulting but... How could you, an admin of reddit, not realize that the places you were communicating were private? We need our admins to understand how to use the site better than the average redditor. I find this even harder to believe given that the font page was filled with screenshots of your posts due to the fact that nobody could read them because they were in private subreddits.

    [–]stationhollow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's even worse when you raise he co-created the bloody site.

    [–]Bratmon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That was our aim from the start

    Once again, I'm not entirely sure that's true.

    [–]stationhollow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You realize that you can say that it was your plan from the beginning over and over but it comes off as completely disingenuous, right? It honestly sounds like you got caught and now the excuses and half assed apologizes get wheeled out.

    [–]StraightTalkExpress 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wish I could royally fuck up at my job and make glib, playful jokes about it.

    Although, I suppose we've learned that you can't either.

    Welcome to the professional world, son. It sucks that you have to think before you speak, but it pays great.

    [–]91civikki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Was the popcorn really that good?

    [–]CoolRunner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I trust that you have the proper understanding of the culture on reddit to craft it's future, but nobody ever answers this question. Why is Ellen Pao considered qualified for her position as the head of the company?

    [–]Wikkiwikki420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Give all users the ability to edit ours ourselves. It should remain as we wish to see what was said. Eff censorship.

    [–]Joe0060 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's analyze this.

    By all accounts, Victoria was doing an outstanding job, so what do you do? You fire her.

    On the other hand, you, /u/kn0thing, take responsibility for the poor way things were handled and you still have a job.

    Can you explain this logic?

    [–]AFabledHero -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    At least read what she has to say before downvoting. She's saying she made mistakes. Isn't that exactly what you want to hear?

    [–]MutthaFuzza -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know at any other company you would be fired for acting like you did.

    [–]Gorgonpistol -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tagged

    [–]The_Year_of_Glad -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I’d been talking with mods all day on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view) and based on all the positive feedback I’d gotten, thought the tide was turning with the entire reddit community.

    In the interest of transparency, will you allow a trusted third party, such as a mod of a default subreddit like /u/karmanaut, to have access to your comment log for the purposes of creating an unexpurgated log of your comments during that time interval, for the purposes of verification of your claim?

    [–]mz81 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you should get out more, dude.

    [–]The_Year_of_Glad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He and Ellen freely admitted in the text of the original post that people don't trust them right now. Most of the things in that post are too nebulous to be verified in any demonstrable fashion, so they don't do anything to rebuild the trust that has been lost. If he released those messages, that would be a tangible demonstration of trust in the community, and encourage people to reciprocate. At the same time, given the current lack of trust, it would be best to have a third-party in charge of the collection and distribution of such, to ensure that everything is above-board.

    If he doesn't want to do it, fair enough, but nothing he's said so far today makes me any more inclined to believe him in the future.

    [–]scatmango -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You come off as a huge cuckold, rofl