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[–]cahaseler 2512ポイント2513ポイント  (70子コメント)

Hi Ellen,

/r/IAMA mod here. First, thank you for finally making a statement about this on reddit.

Second, can you go into more detail about the direction you see for celebrity participation on Reddit in a post-Victoria age? Alexis has made some comments to us behind the scenes about your ideas to encourage celebrity participation beyond AMAs, but I'd love to have the conversation in a more public space where everyone can participate.

[–]ekjp[S,A] -187ポイント-186ポイント  (69子コメント)

u/kn0thing is driving our AMA plans. We want to keep celebrities and interesting people participating in AMAs and in other ways on reddit. The more they understand and interact with reddit, the better their AMAs and the better their experiences.

[–]Scaary_Mike 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

There was an screenshot a few days ago of u/kn0thing having a conversation with other mods, and it was clear he had no idea what he was doing, this is a huge blow to everyone at r/iama, and we feel we deserve an explanation

EDIT: Found it. https://i.imgur.com/ICSz7Xp.jpg

My bad, it was an ama they were having on r/science, but my point still stands

[–]thundercleese 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your point indeed still stands.

To /u/ekjpu /u/ekjp and /u/kn0thing

Over the years I've generally been impressed with kn0thing's interactions with the reddit community on commenting and responding on what is going on with this website in regards to technology and direction.

However, my impression was only that of an outside user looking at kn0thing's public comments and not one of a mod. The linked screenshot of kn0thing's interactions is troubling.

I've been in IT as a developer for 15 years. I get how developers interact with other devs. But talking to mods as if they were developers shows kn0thing is not suited to be a liaison.

I've seen CIO's come and go. I've also seen new CIO's blinded to the hidden personalty issues of some of our long standing staff because those staff members helped the CIO transition into our organization.

Ellen, you need to understand Alexis is an asset to reddit, but does not have the personal skills required for /r/iama.

Alexis, I recognize I don't have the personality to do something like an AMA coordinator. After reading your interactions with the mod's, I suggest you ask yourself if you do.

Edit: Fixed Pao's username.

[–]__________________l 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, I feel bad for the moderators who went from Victoria helping with just about everything to the popcorn lady making things more difficult.

[–]saganispoetry 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

The celebrities seemed to be working fine with Victoria, if you wanted to keep things running smoothly, why would you fire the beloved person who handled so much workload for IAMA?

[–]OrangeNova 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/kn0thing was rather condescending with some of their posts during the event on the 2nd, and I think most of the community doesn't want them involved.

Also IAMA going purely user based instead basically throws a wrench in your plans.

[–]AmericanSpringPlease 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're very kind. My response was, "FUCK /u/kn0thing!"

[–]noobit 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're finally answering us, my only question is what (imo) was at the beginning of all this.

What was the real reason (?|?) was implemented?

The "it was misleading information" answer we got from (/u/kn0thing, I think?) was provably worse for users - the order of magnitude (1000's of votes? 10's?) was way more important than the few digits at the end, and with the dagger we have no idea what the magnitude of "controversy" was.

That wasn't what most users cared about, though - the most suspicious thing was how it was handled by admins. We asked and asked, but could never get a straight answer that made any logical sense.

I implore you, if it was an accuracy or anti-spam measure, have the engineers not hold back on the specifics of what it fixed. We're smart (or at least we think so ;)) and want an explanation that's backed up by logic, not just vague promises.

[–]chinadaze 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

u/kn0thing is strongly implying that the two of you fired Victoria because, all along, he'd been planning to phase out the practice of reddit reaching out to celebrities, scientists, etc about doing AMAs. This seems disingenuous because...

1) by all accounts, the celebrity AMAs drove enormous traffic to Reddit.

2) it certainly seems like Victoria's firing happened very quickly, and without warning. If you had been planning this change, wouldn't she have known?

[–]Athrul 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Link?

Where has he been implying that?

[–]chinadaze 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here. And then his reply here.

[–]Athrul 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see how this sounds disingenuous. I find it much more logical to assume that Victoria knew about it, just like she knew about her leaving the admin team and just couldn't talk about it because of her contract.

All that hunting for negativity is starting to go on my nerves. People say that they want better communication and then they do their best to shut communication down by making all sorts of claims and treating them as facts, even if there is nothing to back them up.

[–]chinadaze 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really not looking to be negative toward the admins, and I appreciate today's communication! I just don't believe the story.

If Victoria knew that she'd be leaving, why wouldn't they have planned it out? Why wouldn't she have left the mods with information about future AMAs (information that Alexis later had to dig out of her email account)? Why wouldn't there have been any sort of announcement on her part explaining this?

[–]theone899 38ポイント39ポイント  (23子コメント)

Don't turn /r/IAMA into a commercial shill. We won't tolerate it.

[–]lula2488 11ポイント12ポイント  (12子コメント)

Mod of /r/IAmA here, we are keep as free from admin involvement as we can

[–]TehPao 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What involvement will they play a role in?

[–]lula2488 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Currently there is some involvement due to the transfer over of information regarding the upcoming AMAs that were scheduled before the weekend

[–]lmdrasil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

After that will you boycott communication that isn't necessary until they succumb to your demands? Effectively holding /r/IAmA hostage from reddit admins.

[–]realfinkployd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully none (my opinion as a fan of /r/IAmA, not a mod or anything)

[–]-o-o-o-o 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

How are you going to verify it's not some PR agent doing the AMA and giving fake answers?

[–]WAAAAAAAAAALT 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can't.

[–]davec79 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We used to have a really great system for that, but something happened to it Thursday morning...

[–]recoveringdropout 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds so.. Blah. It's a blah situation when the mods on Reddit have to try and keep the ADMINS of Reddit as far away as possible so they don't fuck everything up. It's too bad that the admins are so hurtful to the beauty of Reddit.

[–]theone899 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks, also, why did that Reddit employee who had cancer have his AMA deleted?

[–]lula2488 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've no idea

[–]lmdrasil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Skype calls or google hangouts perhaps?

[–]AmericanSpringPlease -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the admins who they are free from made them?

[–]wasmachien 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we please keep talking about Rampart?

[–]Starlightbreaker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

there goes their plan...

[–]nonfish 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think that's the point here. It sounds like they're trying to get celebrities casually posting on reddit outside of AMAs, which would actually be kindof awesome, in my opinion. Wouldn't you like to argue some random famous person over which cat in a gif is cuter on /r/aww?

Of course, whether it'll ever happen like that is anyone's guess

[–]cahaseler 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be awesome, but how do we know it's the celebrity? With AMAs we have a really strict proof process, but if we take that away why wouldn't they just have the PR guy do it?

[–]Wakers 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This already happens though - it's just up to those people that have the time and actually like the site.

Arnie posts randomly from time to time.

Wil Wheaton does, or did. There are many others.

[–]CanlStillBeGarth 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Snoop Dogg is a mod at /r/trees. If they want to use reddit they will. Any involvement from reddit to try and "get" celebrities to use reddit will be forced as fuck.

[–]Wakers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's the worry a lot of us have.

And you just know with people that busy, someone's agent is going to turn around and say "what will you give us to do this?"

[–]AmericanSpringPlease 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, you mean it's not going to be a corporate shill anymore?

[–]The_Adventurist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uhhhh, you already do tolerate it if you subscribe to /r/IAMA.

It's been a celebrity promotional tool for years. That's where the "rampart" jokes come from.

[–]snssns 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems like Victoria would have been the perfect person for that job.

[–]Athrul -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems like Victoria isn't here for a bunch of reasons that will and should not be disclosed. From how it was worded, I'm pretty sure that it was also her own decision.

[–]kecker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You already had someone doing a great job at managing AMAs and you fired her. So how is everything you're saying not bullshit?

[–]TomA3X 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is just one slight issue; /u/kn0thing is a humongous prick.

[–]mach0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

How are you going to do that if the /r/IAMa mods made an announcement that they will be doing everything themselves?

[–]jayRokk 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Screw kn0thing! Bring back Victoria!

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]yoitsatrap 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope /u/kn0thing brings his popcorn to share

[–]shadow_bummed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So kind of like how celebrities use Twitter?

[–]redworm 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

As long as you realize that while we don't mind being a sold a product, we don't appreciate being deceived when being sold a product. If your task as CEO is to improve reddit's financial situation for the investors then you can either take the short term road of suddenly selling out the user base to advertisers under the guise of communicating with the audience, or take the long term road of making this a place people feel comfortable coming to because they know what's being put in front of them.

I know you can't talk about the rumors regarding an employee being let go, but know that if those rumors are true it's going to piss off a lot of people. If the goal is to make /r/IAmA a place to make money by doing video AMAs or selling time slots then we are going to be furious. Maybe that doesn't matter, maybe you have a strong enough user base that doesn't really care who will still make money for you. That's fine. Digg thought that too.

Remember what Alexis said that reddit absolutely loved. You no longer control the message. And that's ok.

If you adhere to that and allow reddit to function organically then it can be a gold mine for you and more importantly a stable, long term gold mine. If you try to control the message you're going to eventually strangle the goose laying that golden egg. It will be a far more precarious position that will make mass migration a lot more likely.

Note that I'm not talking about shutting down the harassment stuff. If the dredges of society want an open forum to be dicks, let them move to voat or shazbot or wherever the hell else they want to spew their garbage. That's not the giving up of control I'm talking about. Give us the forum but let us drive the conversation.

If you try to make money off us we will resist. Hard. If you give us something that we want to spend on our money on we'll keep opening our wallets. It's up to you (well, the investors) to decide whether you want to make a lot in the short term or make a whole lot more in the long term.

I wish you luck. I don't know you, I don't care about the drama surrounding your position or any of that other stuff. But I enjoy coming to reddit because I get to talk to network engineers and veterans and bronies and people who like the same podcasts that I do all in one place. If everyone else starts leaving to have those conversations elsewhere so will I. I'm not here for content, I can get that anywhere. I'm here for the conversations.

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    [–]redworm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    and here I thought I had...oops

    [–]boobookittyfuck69696 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are you saying Jesse Jackson wasn't properly informed of the nature of AMA beforehand?

    [–]AmericanSpringPlease 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What about those who say fuck /u/kn0thing? Like everyone?

    [–]Philandrrr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Are celebrity AMAs paid advertising? They look and sound a lot like advertisements.

    [–]CrazyWebDev 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mistake numero dos.

    [–]-Trips -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    too bad /u/kn0thing sucks

    [–]Boston_Jason -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is there a price list out there yet on how high profile folks will stay "popular" on reddit?

    [–]americanpagesus -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /u/kn0thing is too busy eating popcorn.