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[–]UnholyDemigod 220ポイント221ポイント  (109子コメント)

(please note: my status as a mod has zero bearing on my comment. This is from me, and me alone.)

Ellen - /u/ekjp - I have defended you (and the entire admin staff) for a long time. When people made comments about how you were turning reddit into a SJW haven, I told them to shut the fuck up. When the FPH people made you out to be a nazi, I went through threads and did my best to tell these people how they were wrong, and you were actually doing good by reddit. But with your recent comments to the media, you have made it very hard to continue to defend you. For example, you say it's only the vocal minority who cares about this. This and other things you have said lead me to believe one of two things: you either do not understand the reddit userbase, or you do not care. If the former is true, do you plan to rectify this? If the latter is true, and you don't care about this site, why did you take the job?

[–]ekjp[S,A] -236ポイント-235ポイント  (108子コメント)

I assume you’re referring to the NYT quote. I'd like to clarify the quote's context. The reporter asked about people posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to as a vocal minority. I do understand that the site lives on its content and voting, and I know that we all owe a lot to our mods and core users.

[–]thistokenusername 178ポイント179ポイント  (24子コメント)

You didn't even answer his questions.

[–]Llim 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

A true politician

[–]Internetologist 69ポイント70ポイント  (14子コメント)

/u/ekjp just pointed out that the entire premise of his question is wrong, as it's based on a scenario (Ellen calling her opposition as a whole a vocal minority) that doesn't exist.

[–]PrimoThePro 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

Did you read the article? That's not how it sounds.

But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours.

In her response she acknowledges the virulent detractors bit, but she completely ignores that this is the majority of Reddit.

[–]sleeps_with_crazy 32ポイント33ポイント  (10子コメント)

She didn't say that. Read the NYT article the clickbait post actually was misquoting and you'll see that.

[–]VoatBetterThanReddit 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well maybe Emperor Pao should have made a top-level post on Reddit instead of going to an outside news source that will report second hand comments. She could have wrote exactly what she wanted to express right here on Reddit and let the news use her comments so there could be no misunderstanding. She has a law degree from Harvard, so I suppose she could at least compose 2 or 3 paragraphs that would not be misinterpreted.

[–]sleeps_with_crazy 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I absolutely agree she should have talked to reddit first. I just want to avoid propagating misquotes. Not sure why people downvoted you.

[–]PrimoThePro 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't understand how it's click bait if it's the NYT.

If I've got it wrong, source me. If I don't, she quickly dismissed many people's feelings on the matter.

[–]sleeps_with_crazy 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

The article that was quoted above was not the NYT, it was a clickbait post that topped r/technology over the weekend. The NYT article never claimed she said that.

[–]PrimoThePro 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Google searches don't lead me to it. Could you help me out than?

[–]Aerik 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

is it? is the majority of reddit submitting her pictures to /r/punchablefaces and saying 'chairman pao' ?

[–]Leetwheats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was a copy and paste answer from higher up in the thread. She really isnt even trying.

[–]WatchYourToneBoy 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously? She just stated that she can't answer the question, because the OP misconstrued what was actually being asked.

Doesn't matter what Pao says. She could literally find the cure for cancer and redditors would still be butthurt about it

[–]reallydumb4real 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but we asked for a cure for AIDS, so I'm getting my pitchfork out

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

she's a fucking aids supporter!

BURN HER!

[–]TAz00 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In her head, she totally did. aka the problem

[–]CitizenPremier -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

She didn't answer the loaded questions?

Answer my question: Why do you hate reddit?

[–]xChrisk 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

When did you stop beating your wife?

[–]letdogsvote 79ポイント80ポイント  (6子コメント)

I have to say I think your public comments reflect a lack of understanding of Reddit. People lurk here. A lot. A whole lot. They'll have accounts they use regularly and never post, or just use the site without an account.

This means that when there ARE votes up or down, they typically don't reflect a minority. The votes instead represent what many more readers/users are thinking or agree or disagree with - kind of by proxy. For example, say a pic post gets 4000 upvotes. That doesn't mean 4000 people and only 4000 people liked it. It more likely means each of those votes represents a LOT of other users and their opinions.

The statement that it was a vocal minority I believe misreads entirely the depth to which the user base here is ticked off. I think if you underestimate that or diminish it as a vocal minority, you will fail because you will fail to recognize the extent to which the base has been upset.

If you need proof on this, look at your site traffic numbers - my understanding is there's been a significant dip lately, and that should tell you all you need to know about whether a "vocal minority" is bothered or if you have a more significant problem.

[–]KRosen333 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have to say I think your public comments reflect a lack of understanding of Reddit. People lurk here. A lot. A whole lot. They'll have accounts they use regularly and never post, or just use the site without an account.

Can confirm, was a /r/teslore reader for like a year before i made an account to tell someone that they were wrong (iirc) (i had one before that, but it was because a friend wanted me to post something. that doesn't count.)

edit: actually I think I finally made an account to get /r/wtf and /r/atheist shit off the front page, I think the teslore thing was just a bonus.

[–]wyldeb 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol I also made my first account to get /r/atheist off my front page.

[–]PopcornTasteGood 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

As did I

[–]sprite_n_halo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good times. Now these kids don't even have to do that anymore.

[–]ForgeKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehhhh /r/atheist doesn't seem like a bad place from a quick look. I think /r/atheism is the annoying front page one.

[–]pWHOp_ 30ポイント31ポイント  (20子コメント)

You really like copy/pasting.

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

So do people asking questions. "How come you called us a 'vocal minority'" has been answered at least five times already.

[–]Crimson88 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Remember she doesn't know how permalinks work.

[–]solarpoweredhuman 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure she does! She recently posted a link to a PM in her inbox...

[–]loveyouinblue 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

She posted a link to one of her reddit PMs as a motherfucking reddit thread. Who is that person? The CEO of Reddit...

[–]platypoctagon 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

That doesn't make her a bad person.

[–]CovenantHeart 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you kept up with her comments? First, logically your statement has no bearing on her abilities as a CEO. Second, as per her statement (and verification from other admins) admins can permalink PMs to each other.

[–]staplegunned 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just another example of being out of touch with reddit.

We are paying attention, /u/ekjp. Copying/pasting seems very disingenuous.

[–]curiiouscat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She keeps getting the same questions hurled at her. Why wouldn't she? This way she can address more people.

[–]CuilRunnings 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know that we all owe a lot to our mods and core users.

This is why you are cratering reddit the same way that /u/lordvinyl cratered Digg. The mods and powerusers are a necessary evil. You don't owe them shit. The community that sorts content is the "engine" and you keep fucking with it.

[–]Nikwal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/good_jarsh_jerker is right though, people really have to carefully read articles etc. And I think in that case, calling someone insignificant is okay.

[–]courtiebabe420 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's the problem, /u/ekjp - you're saying all the right things, you really are. I just get the sense that a lot of people, including me, don't believe you.

Are there things you can do almost immediately (in the next several weeks) to show that you understand that things need to change and are committed to sticking to the promises you've made recently? If so, are you willing to do them and how can we, as users and mods, help?

[–]NoFunHere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, if "saying all the right things" = "not answering the question" then yeah. She is doing that.

[–]theone899 17ポイント18ポイント  (12子コメント)

Explain how it's a vocal minority? The front page of /r/all was plastered with threads against you. That's not a vocal minority; that's an active majority.

[–]whenautistscollide 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

No, that's the definition of a vocal minority.

[–]BearlyBreathing 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

I like how random redditors think they are more informed about what the majority of reddit users are doing than the CEO of reddit. Only one party has access to the the data which can more or less answer that question unambiguously, and it's not them.

Most likely, if Pao is willing to publicly state "It's a vocal minority." and rest the site's future on that belief then it's because she knows it for a fact and isn't merely speculating based on the temporary contents of /r/all.

[–]CaptainCummings 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you might not be remembering that a person's statements are only as good as their credibility and ability to keep their word.

[–]BearlyBreathing -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I'm not. I'm saying that Pao's statements on the matter are obviously more credible than that of random redditors (who, I might add, have a clearly inflated sense of self-importance to begin with).

[–]down_vote_city__ 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Only one party has access to the the data which can more or less answer that question unambiguously, and it's not them

Wait. What. You're telling me they've collected metadata on whether or not the reddit community likes the CEO?

Did I miss the questionnaire when I first signed up or something?

[–]BearlyBreathing -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

You don't need sophisticated meta data to figure out that the anti-Pao /r/all posts were being upvoted by a small fraction of the reddit user base.

[–]down_vote_city__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh. So, you're saying the average reddit is about as informed as the administrators, then? Just wanting to clarify your argument because you seem to be going back and forth here. Either they have meta data to show it is a vocal minority or the average redditor is as informed as the administrators.

I think vote fuzzing might come into play here, too.

[–]BearlyBreathing -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, you're saying the average reddit is about as informed as the administrators, then?

No, the opposite. They can obviously look at those posts and see the total up/downvotes and compare to the total active user base. Nothing fancy, as you implied. Very cheap and hackish, which is why I said they don't need sophisticated meta data to have a much better idea of what's actually going on than the average redditor who can't even see the up/down vote totals.

[–]down_vote_city__ -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, the opposite. They can obviously look at those posts and see the total up/downvotes and compare to the total active user base. Nothing fancy, as you implied. Very cheap and hackish, which is why I said they don't need sophisticated meta data to have a much better idea of what's actually going on than the average redditor who can't even see the up/down vote totals.

You're contradicting your original post here. Why?

You first say that random redditors "think they are more informed" based upon a lack of "...access to the data". But, then, you go on to say that that data is useless and that "you don't need sophisticated meta data...".

So...how exactly are you saying the opposite, again?

And, I just want to clarify: when something is on the front-page of reddit, that constitutes a vocal minority, right? A post that has 4,500+ upvotes?

[–]VoatBetterThanReddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a representative minority of the rest of Reddit. Not every Redditor upvotes/downvotes or comments. Visitors cannot even do that.

[–]FayeNovak 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The most vocal members of your userbase (minority or not) provide the content of your site. They are not insignificant or unimportant. They drive your traffic and profits.
If 90% of submissions that night were about how awful your company and your ability to manage and lead that company are, that should be a huge concern to you.

[–]SSJwiggy 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

What the fuck? You copy-pasted this answer! At least act like you give a damn and put effort into an answer.

[–]armyrope115 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it was essentially the same question, why shouldn't she copy and paste? If two people or more asked me the same or similar question I wouldn't spend time thinking of different ways to say it when there are other questions to answer. You are just looking for things to complain about.

[–]DaArny 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

The reporter asked about people posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about mods and content creators.

That makes little sense when you consider that people created content that was negative about you.

[–]ignavusaur 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hardly consider badly photoshoped Hitler/Pao photos and swastikas spam "content"

[–]DaArny 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still doesn't negate the fact that a crap-ton of it made it to the front pages

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[–]sjwprincess 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

180,000 people in a couple of days is a vocal minority?

Either you're fucking stupid or you think we are.

Keep posting this disingenuous corporate-talk, please

[–]johnqevil 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

360000000 user accounts on Reddit currently, and 180000 signatures. That's one half of one percent. If you assume that only half of Reddit users are legit anyways, it's STILL only 1%. Yeah, it's a vocal minority.

[–]Scaary_Mike 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not about apologies and what you owe us, it's what you do. What will you do to make up for what has been happening? Apologies are just empty words if there is no change.

[–]foamster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

vocal minority

This is the top post on r/all, by a margin of almost 3,000 votes: https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3cb0s0/cnn_money_ellen_pao_resignation_petition_reaches/

Get the fuck out.

[–]whiskeytango55 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's explains the first part, but not the 2nd part about how "most of reddit's users weren't interested in what happened over the last 48 hours".

I know lurkers vastly outnumber commenters, but that doesn't mean you can ignore us.

[–]EtherMan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what you're saying is that the NYT article is slander? Because that's CERTAINLY not the context in the article because that's in relation to that 150k people want to see you fired. Considering your history, then suing NYT for that slander should be your next step IF your claim here is true.

[–]NoFunHere 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Care to try again, and this time answer the question?

[–]landonmeh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and I know that we all owe a lot to our mods and core users.

You owe everything to your mods and core users.

[–]manchild-person 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ellen, there's a petition with almost 200k signatures on it for you to step down. And I believe you don't know how to navigate the site. Ironically, you fired the one person who could help you. It took you like 4 days to make a single post, you tried to link a damn PM, you fired some dude with cancer, your hubby's a criminal. Just step down from your position. Shadowban me for telling the truth, IDK. I have an alternative account not used for three or so years, and I think he wants to be used again. You also don't care about your users, you think they're fucking cattle begging on their hands and knees to pay you with their hard-earned money. Your money? Came from a lawsuit that only came to be because you think if someone fires you, they're sexist. Just go home. You have no place on Reddit, unless it's being a troll CEO. Also, stop gilding yourself. No one in their right mind would pay to give you something.

[–]Dvalenz42 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

She just copied and pasted this from a response to another comment!

[–]Jbota 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My God even Hitler knew better than to copy and paste!

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol tiny lil copypastas is your idea of better communication

[–]itschloe_thatsme -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

WTF?! Did you just copy+paste this response from another question? Are you fucking kidding me?

Wow, I can see the approximate amount of shits given is: 0

[–]StupidStudentVeteran -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, well since you cleared everything up for us. Welcome back Ellen!!!!! We love you and want you to stay forever, yay! Fuck off.

[–]JoeRuinsEverything -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please resign. We don't want you here.

[–]-halcyon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Speak for yourself asshole

[–][deleted] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol tiny lil copypastas is your idea of better communication

[–]WipeYourPaws -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ellen! Your hair looks nice today!

[–]manchild-person -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, she dyed it brown with all the bullshit that came out of her mouth.

[–]SpontaneousLightBulb -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ellen, repeatedly you go onto interviews (about Reddit, about your useless lawsuit, about your husband) and continuously claim how you're misunderstood, your words are taken out of context, your aims are not respected by others (men) making them against you. Please. Step down.

[–]taupro777 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, tell me you're joking. There is a petition, signed by OVER 100,000 PEOPLE to get you to step down. A minority? Right.

[–]abdlextra -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is still crazy though. How can you possibly say that people speaking negatively about you are a vocal minority at this point? People who aren't mods or content creators have a lot of legitimate grievances too. You're just marginalizing a large part of the user base that disagrees with you.

[–]VoatBetterThanReddit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least when Mitt Romney made his 47% comment, he was unaware he was being recorded. How she could go outside of Reddit and blast its users (her company's users!) for being just a few whiny bitches that are insignificant is just a reflection of her attitude towards Redditors. We might not be among the majority, or even 47%, but we are still Redditors. Well, soon to be ex-Redditors.

[–]xChrisk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you intend to share your thoughts, publicly, regarding the Change.org petition with nearly 180,000 signatures calling for your resignation?

If so, when?

[–]flurpimus -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc??