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[–]yishan[Δ] 2344ポイント2345ポイント x3 (755子コメント)

Because she's not really responsible. She's been in the job for a few months and is cleaning up the mess I made.

The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

[–]G_Comstock 105ポイント106ポイント  (15子コメント)

Fair play for taking whatever portion of the flak is your due.

[–]illegal_deagle 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

Did Yishan accept $50M in venture capital? I'm pretty sure that's a Board call, not a CEO call. Ultimately, whoever solicited and accepted that money is what sent us down this path.

[–]yishan[Δ] 132ポイント133ポイント  (9子コメント)

Ultimately, whoever solicited and accepted that money

Well, that was me.

[–]like_a_baws 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that's cleared that up then!

[–]illegal_deagle 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Geez, man. I really didn't think that was just your call. Good on you for owning up to your decisions.

  1. What was your plan to get these investors their money back, plus ROI?

  2. What timetable was given to you for repayment?

  3. Is the current regime's mindset that this cash infusion was worthwhile, or do they feel hamstrung by the expectations attached to it?

[–]deadwavelength 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

Obviously I'm not Yishan, but that's not how VC money works. You don't plan to pay them back - they bought equity in the company. They now own shares in Reddit - if the company dies, then there's no repayment.

Their hope is that the value of Reddit as a company increases, thus making their shares grow in value. In order to do that, Reddit has to grow one or all of its key metrics: users, revenue, time on site, etc. The more those grow, the more the value of the company increases.

[–]forgottenCode 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, at the time the investments were made, reddit was not sufficiently monetized. reddit has begun the gradual shift towards further monetization and no one can be sure where this path will lead. reddit's investors have incentive to monetize the website further in order to increase ROI (or to even have a return at all).

[–]rondeline 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty sure VCs only care about one metric above all and that's profitability. For $50m they're going to want 10x roi. If someone comes along and does $1b buyout, all the better.

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    [–]turkeynipples1 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hi, please give me some. Thanks for your cooperation.

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      [–]wierdaaron 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      VC money on its own isn't a bad thing. Neither this site nor many of the sites you use daily would exist without a steady pumping of VC money before (even after, sometimes) becoming profitable.

      [–]Theothor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Which path would that be though?

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        [–]Deimorz 106ポイント107ポイント  (21子コメント)

        EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

        I think you should be able to do it now.

        [–]allthefoxes 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Oh don't forget me..

        heh..

        [–]yishan[Δ] 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Thanks /u/Deimorz! Hope you're doing well!

        [–]GusTurbo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        thanks me too

        [–]reostra 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

        While you're at it...

        (Also, hi!)

        [–]NotFlameRetardant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        admin emeritus

        Nice

        [–]unique616 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Thank you for working on the new moderator tools. I like using the auto moderator.

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          [–]99639 1564ポイント1565ポイント  (431子コメント)

          She has done plenty in her short term here to upset a lot of people, all on her own. The things that happened before she arrived are why people are angry at the admins in general, rather than just Ellen in particular.

          [–]OneManWar 42ポイント43ポイント  (24子コメント)

          Can you list out all the terrible things she's done? I'd like to know so I can join in on all this hate.

          EDIT: That's what I thought, no one can really give specifics here.

          [–]arcanition 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

          • be Pao

          [–]just_drea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          To reddit or in general? I know she fired a dude who had cancer when he was finally ready to go back to work, after his position had been held for him for many months. That's reddit. In general there are many more examples.

          [–]creepy_doll 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

          Playing victim, married a fraudster, litigating everyone and anyone basically. Basically playing the game of thrones(politics). She claimed her previous employer discriminated against her, but the court ruled in favor of the defendant on every count, and quite frankly, she came off very poorly in the whole process. It's all on wikipedia or a google away.

          [–]OneManWar 11ポイント12ポイント  (14子コメント)

          Which all have absolutely nothing to do with reddit and the terrible things she's done to the site. Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Try again.

          Guy above said this:

          She has done plenty in her short term here to upset a lot of people, all on her own.

          But of course can't say the terrible things she's done.

          [–]creepy_doll 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

          Reddit-specifically despite being in the company in some form since 2013 and CEO since 2015 she's shown that she doesn't understand how the site works by trying to link a private message in a public post.

          It's hard to link specifics when the internal operations of reddit are hidden, so by extension we examine past behavior. But we do blame CEO's of other companies for mismanagement of their companies too, so I see the only potentially wrong thing here being the fact that we may not have given enough time(9 months). But really, online changes are expected much faster than in politics. You don't get 4 years to fix things online, and you don't need to go through congress.

          [–]OneManWar 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

          I'm so sick of seeing that not knowing how the site works bullshit. It's a cop out. She's there for business decisions, not day to day site management.

          So once again, you have zero actual proof of things she's personally done to fuck up the site. No one has any. It's just a big witch hunt, literally.

          [–]Stubbula 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

          I can't speak for everyone else, but I find their lack of consistency pitiful. They ban certain subreddits such as /r/fatpeoplehate for brigading or whatever it was yet countless other subs are known for it including /r/ShitRedditSays. However, when people try to make hateful subreddit against fat people they are banned ASAP. I'm not here to rally for hateful subreddits, but when shit like /r/CoonTown exists it's just mind boggling. Also, recently an anti-Ellen Pao subreddit came up and was also banned in an instant. If they aren't here to censor ideas they sure aren't showing it.

          The admins in general are running a shit show and there were rumors of Victoria leaving due to commercializing AMA's to unprecedented levels that she wasn't comfortable with. True or not they spit in the faces of the mods of IAmA and to everyone in general with having no contingency plan in place. They have no respect for the mods and that was shown then and earlier today when Ellen Pao mentioned that they gave a time table to the mods when they really didn't have a plan in place. They just wanted to cover their asses and it's disrespectful.

          Transparency is just non-existent and they also have been shadowbanning people left and right over the last year, deserved or not, when people would speak out against Pao and Reddit. Less here recently because everyone is ripping them. She has a shady history and is married to another snake in the grass so people aren't going to trust her in general. She's the head of this snake that has been acting disrespectful and foolish so she is going to get plenty of hate deserved or not, but after everything she's been involved in no one wants to give her the benefit of the doubt running this shit show we call Reddit.

          You may ask me for proof and links, but this shit can be found in the threads today from Pao and proof exists if you Google into it. I just don't want to put 45 minutes into making a comment you and maybe 5 other people are going to end up reading.

          [–]Office-Ninja 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I would agree with you if this were a company like Sony or Apple but this is reddit and the CEO should be able to use the site to tell the users what the hell is going on. Blaming the comment upvote/downvote system for not making her attempts to communicate visible is a pretty silly excuse (we still shouldn't be downvoting the person that runs the company). There are two subreddits dedicated to informing the users of this site.

          I also think that the fact that she informed a bunch of other sites BEFORE informing reddit itself is one of the worst things she could have done. If you want the community to trust you, you shouldn't be making announcements on other sites without posting said announcement to reddit first.

          She was also supposed to be the interim CEO.

          Edit: a word

          [–]4134134131451 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          She pissed off all 151,000 former subscribers of /r/FatPeopleHate.

          Now that petition has surpassed 150,000 as a result.

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            [–]Raezak_Am 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Something something this

            [–]mack2nite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That was quite entertaining.

            [–]themdeadeyes 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Right, because reddit actually stopped and considered the history of mismanagement and then decided that the rational course of action was to make death threats over the mismanagement of a fucking website.

            [–]blahblahdoesntmatter 160ポイント161ポイント  (296子コメント)

            She removed FPH and a few others, which made some people angry, but most didn't care. That uproar died after a few days of petulance, and I honestly don't see any real issue with the action. And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission. I understand why people are mad about this one, as mods volunteer a lot of their time to keep this site running, and admin communication is important. Still though, an apology and an action plan should be enough to fix that. If you think firing Victoria was bad, what's the action plan for mods when Pao acquiesces to the mob and abruptly resigns?

            [–]Bifrons 358ポイント359ポイント  (62子コメント)

            And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission.

            She doesn't have to ask anyone for permission before firing an employee of hers. What she does need to do, though, is fully understand the impact the loss to the company will be and take steps to minimize the impact. It's here where she failed.

            [–]Russian_For_Rent 215ポイント216ポイント  (55子コメント)

            She actually didn't fire Victoria. That was all in the hands of kn0thing:

            https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3c0hcz/welcome_back/

            [–]thenichi 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Fuck /u/kn0thing

            [–]Gbiknel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I read that as he took away her admin rights in the site, not that he fired her...but that's just me.

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              [–]blahblahdoesntmatter 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Right, which is why I said:

              Still though, an apology and an action plan should be enough to fix that.

              She failed in that respect, but the way to correct it is to let the mods know what the plan is from here on out.

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                [–]Kiltmanenator 74ポイント75ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I take your point but eliminating salary negotiations is worthy of ridicule, at the very least.

                It doesn't help women or men who know how to do it.

                It doesn't help women or men who want to learn how to do it.

                It's a patently anti-labor move that everyone ate up as a win for equality. It benefits the management's bottom line and Pao's reputation and that's it.

                [–]atomsk404 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                this is probably the best point about her being a shitty leader and 'pr speak' "master".

                the reality is they want to limit salaries. fine, just dont try to piss on people and say its raining.

                [–]InternetWeakGuy 129ポイント130ポイント  (124子コメント)

                She removed FPH and a few others, which made some people angry, but most didn't care.

                Correction: Most people were pretty happy about it. FPH was fucking awful, and the attitude from there was spilling into all the other subs. I'm not even overweight and all of a sudden I was getting called a fatty in random subs all over the place, and it was always people with histories full of FPH posts.

                Fuck FPH, good riddance.

                [–]Owyn_Merrilin 23ポイント24ポイント  (114子コメント)

                First they came for Fat People Hate, and I did not speak out, because I did not hate fat people.

                [–]VitruvianMonkey 73ポイント74ポイント  (64子コメント)

                This is a disingenuous comparison between the situation and the meaning of that famous work. The people who they were coming for in the poem were being suppressed because of their identities, not their actions.

                The meaning is substantially different when you replace the original references. As a (hyperbolic) comparison, does the speaker still seem to have a point if we replace the characters?

                First they came for the murderers, and I did not speak out, for I was not a killer.

                Then they came for the child molesters, and I did not speak out, for I did not molest children.

                Then they came for the thieves, and I did not speak out, because I was not a thief.

                [–]RaindropBebop 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                What good is the comparison if you know it's hyperbolic and does not follow?

                FPH, although condemned for brigading and being insensitive is clearly different from a sub condemning murder or other illegal actions. It is also, in my opinon different than a sub promoting racism and hate based on race, but that is up for argument.

                People aren't mad that FPH was banned, they're mad about how and why it was banned. This is why the FPH banning created and continues to create ripples beyond the subscriber-base — people are mad that, while FPH was banned for breaching a very specific policy, that policy is not enforced equally among all subreddits. They're upset because admins appear to be playing favorites, and have become reactionary; quickly removing subreddits that receive negative publicity.

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                    [–]itsasillyplace 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    Then they came for the brocialists and I did not speak out because I wasn't a bro.

                    [–]stanley_twobrick 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Soon they're going to completely take away our right to be giant pieces of shit. Then what will we do?

                    [–]Forlarren 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Build a better platform.

                    You think you can make people better but I don't hold to that. Real progress always comes from those that aim to misbehave (and how to deal with it).

                    Without creative destruction there isn't creation. It will just be appeals to authority and all other manner of logical fallacies as far as the eye can see. Real conversation and debate will die. It's all happened before and it will all happen again. Endless Septembers are just part of the cycle.

                    [–]bdbi 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    1. Users want freedom.

                    2. Reddit progressively removes freedoms of the user.

                    3. Users leave to express ideas elsewhere.

                    Monetization is hard when you don't understand why your customers are using your product. Reddit has been on this road for a while, and if they continue to anger it's user-base, the road to obscurity may be quite short.

                    [–]gophergun 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The fact that this is being downvoted is a serious problem. Disagreeing is one thing, but this obviously contributes to the discussion.

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                      [–]troubleondemand 6ポイント7ポイント  (22子コメント)

                      And then what? They wouldn't let you make fun of Jews or Black people? They stopped you from posting pics of underage girls?

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                        [–]BananaManIsHere 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        No, most people weren't happy that FPH was removed. It was an awful, terrible, and hate filled subreddit that, I think, most people despised. Yet, the users of FPH weren't doing anything against the rules. They kept to themselves, for the most part, and they weren't attempting to doxx people or personally harass them. They kept to their shitty corner of Reddit.

                        So, when it was banned, people like myself became angry. Was it banned because it didn't fit their view of a Reddit? Because they want to control and limit Reddit? Say what you want about FPH, it was at least a key example of free speech on Reddit, and the fact that it was torn down and banned is a tragedy.

                        [–]InternetWeakGuy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        yet, the users of FPH weren't doing anything against the rules. They kept to themselves, for the most part, and they weren't attempting to doxx people or personally harass them. They kept to their shitty corner of Reddit.

                        That's not true.

                        [–]cefriano 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        It really bothers me how effective "you're probably fat" or "found the fatty" is as a trolling strategy. It irritated me more than all of their over-the-top vitriol. It's on the same intellectual level as "I know you are but what am I?" If trolling was their goal, and I imagine it was for a significant percentage, I really have to commend them. They really couldn't have been more insufferable if they tried.

                        [–]THANE_OF_ANN_ARBOR 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Yeah guys, it's really fucked up that a company made a human resources decision without carefully consulting every one of its customers! What's next? Is reddit going to spend money on capex without consulting us????????

                        [–]Major_Square 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I heard they're thinking about buing some paperclips in bulk and even some cat6 cable. I am against this.

                        [–]THANE_OF_ANN_ARBOR 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Holy shit, just the thought of that. Why didn't they consult the /r/malkovich subreddit before doing this? Did they not know that it would effect them severely?

                        [–]Major_Square 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I don't know, but we see now how important the need for transparency is. I think ALL questions should be answered from EVERYONE. No matter if they moderate a sub with five subscribers or five million. Or even if they're not a moderator. I propose that every user of this website be provided with a daily report that describes what every employee plans to do with their day, a hand typed log of every phone call taken or made the previous day, copies of all emails and other correspondence, finacial reports and website anaylitcs. This report should have two boxes at the bottom of the last page: "Approve" and "Disapprove". If anyone selects "Disapprove", Ellen Pao should immediately stop whatever she's doing and contact the disapproving person immediately to discuss the situation. And a report should be made on that discussion and forwarded to every single person who uses reddit. By certified mail, of course.

                        This will keep the admins pretty busy, so obviously they're going to need to hire other people to do their actual jobs, whatever they are. And obviously every single one of us should have input and even veto power on those hiring decisions.

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                          [–]weevil_boy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission.

                          I'm assuming (hoping?) that this is laden with sarcasm (sorry, I'm slow).

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                            [–]billcosbysweater 51ポイント52ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            I'm okay with her upsetting the FPH and edgy teenager crowd. Nothing of value was lost by her decision.

                            [–]a7244270 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Nothing of value was lost by her decision.

                            Other than a forum for unpopular speech. Which is much more valuable than you think.

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                              [–]1337BaldEagle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Not to mention dealing with the Reddit staff =/= dealing with congress. I call bullshit. 1.5 years and absolutely nothing to show for it except contempt, irresponsibility, disconnect kind of like congress.

                              [–]Rsdd12 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              She removed FPH and other harassing subs, and she is seen as an sjw. Then theres this new drama. And thats it. Really, the reason reddit hates her so much is because of the stupid SJW stuff.

                              [–]CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH 5ポイント6ポイント  (46子コメント)

                              She removed FPH, an undeniably great thing. Reddit is now a much better place. There was a brief period where the site was useless due to the brigades, but that is over and we no longer see as much constant hate and doxxing from the FPH crowd.

                              That's about all she has done publicly.

                              [–]TWK128 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              In point of fact, though, since there has been so little transparency, for all we know Ellen is less responsible for the things that have riled the mods and community.

                              So far, she may be taking cues from people who have been around longer and have shown a blatant disregard and contempt for the mods and community. Specifically, /u/kn0thing

                              If we take public statements in toto, Ellen's have been somewhat tone deaf and a bit PR-y, but we have greater issue with what she has not said than with what she has.

                              That's going to happen when you're an executive and have to make statements befitting your post and the responsibilities thereof.

                              But certain others have said very dismissive things about the community at large and moderators, dripping with contempt.

                              The greater share of the blame likely lies with them, but for some reason, they can't be fired when people like Victoria can.

                              /u/davidreiss666 also clearly has no consideration for any legitimate argument on the part of critics among the mods or community.

                              While some argue Ellen's only given lip-service to these arguments, that's far more than Reiss would ever tolerate, and he is just a mod. One that is very well tied in with certain admins, I'd imagine.

                              We may well be seeing the external trappings of a complex set of utterly dysfunctional intrigues within the Reddit offices.

                              Sadly, circling the wagons is their first course of action because it's gotten so bad that no one with a soul knows who to trust anymore.

                              [–]MyVinylOffer -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              People have no confidence in the direction she is taking the website going forward either, it's not just what has happened the past few weeks.

                              [–]hivoltage815 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              People were against her from day one because she is a female that was engaged in sexual harassment related litigation. There were frequent posts with her photo on places like /r/punchablefaces before she even took an action as CEO. The tone was set no matter what she did.

                              [–]syopest 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Yes, that was the exact reason. Not the fact that the lawsuit was known to be bogus for a long time an it was known that she was a horríble coworker to other women in her workplace.

                              [–]hivoltage815 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Okay, even if all that is true, that wasn't the point of my post. That litigation, hearsay and reputation set the tone from day one is my point, regardless of the cause.

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                                [–]Kenny__Loggins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Yep. And that narrative will never fly on reddit. People will pick and choose reasons to hate her even though there isn't good reason.

                                [–]hampa9 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                What 'direction'? I've largely seen speculation and mockups of new monetisation features invented in people's paranoid heads.

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                                  [–]brokenarrow 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                  What mistakes of yours are you referring to?

                                  [–]ichbineindonut 59ポイント60ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Can you see if you can get /u/chooter an alum distinguish, too?

                                  [–]demoror 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  They didn't give her any respect. A distinguish isn't going to happen.

                                  [–]codyave 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Lol, her job is to take the heat for the board of directors' decisions. She's doing it very well, too. Oh yeah, and getting paid buckoo-fucking-bucks.

                                  If anything, /u/kn0thing should be the one getting our vitriol. I mean, which he sorta kinda already is because he can't stop making dumbass comments.

                                  [–]DefundYou 51ポイント52ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  just say "evil republicans" and get a thousand upvotes

                                  [–]color_thine_fate 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  That doesn't really speak to the recent issues, such as the firing of Victoria without involving the moderators. Not in the decision-making, of course, because that is and should be handled internally, but they should have involved the mods in the post-game, to equip them with an alternative. Being stripped of Victoria without warning left them crippled, and was a terrible management decision. Whether the mods are being paid or not, they're still essential to reddit's success, period.

                                  Also it doesn't speak to the censorship on the site, such as this shit, where a user was actually shadowbanned after making a comment about Pao. He is currently still banned. Maybe it was unrelated, but I highly doubt it.

                                  I admire your honesty, claiming fault for many things. But she's addressing fucking SEARCH for christ sake. I mean, yeah, reddit's search is ass-awful, but there is not one single pissed off user who read that post and was like, "Finally! All we wanted was for Pao to publicly address search! Pitchforks down everyone!"

                                  She may be cleaning up a mess you made, but to imply that, aside from that, errythang's smooth sailing, you - like Pao - are either missing or ignoring the issues most upset users are actually upset about.

                                  [–]Serpent10i 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Really the, as you put it, search function was a huge issue for the mods, which is why it was addressed. It was integral to how they did their moderation.

                                  Victoria isn't the sole reason so many of the the mods closed their subs.

                                  [–]color_thine_fate 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Well, /r/IAMA was the first to go dark, and their post explaining why doesn't mention search. And I think we can agree that the uproar caused by the firing of Victoria is what spurned the whole thing. Of course search is a thing people are upset about.

                                  which is why it was addressed

                                  I'm not arguing why it was address. I'm saying it's laughable how it was addressed as though that's why everyone's mad. Search has been awful since the beginning of reddit's time. No one is pissed now because of search. It's merely a, "well, while we're on the topic of shit you need to fix, fix search, too!" If search had fuck-all to do with subreddits shutting down, we would have heard about it in 2008? 2009? 2010-2014? They'd have been dark for awhile.

                                  Search sucks for 10 years... people complain, no one really does anything resembling protesting. Victoria gets fired, reddit loses its shit, subreddits go dark.. like, within hours. I'm just looking at the context here. It's not like search has gotten worse in the last 5 years. It's just the red-headed stepchild kept in a cage in the basement that the family is kind of embarrassed to talk about.

                                  [–]Serpent10i 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It being bad was not the issue. It was used in a somewhat shoehorned way to make moderation possible on this broken website with nearly no built in mod tools.

                                  The new update destroyed the third party tools used to make moderation possible.

                                  Victoria was the catalyst and screwing over IAMA even more than normal but the amazing solidarity of so many subs was caused by the overall atmosphere within reddit and their continually poor treatment. The allowance to go back and use the previous, shitty search, that was frankensteined into other tools is a good, real step that at a absolute minimum shows they are making a change today.

                                  [–]Theothor 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  but they should have involved the mods in the post-game

                                  Did the admins get any time to do this though? In my understanding it all happens pretty fast.

                                  [–]color_thine_fate 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That's a fair question. Honestly, the answer lies within the details we aren't privy to. I'll explain:

                                  /r/IAMA is a machine. Victoria is a crucial part in this machine. When you decide to remove a part to a machine of yours, what do you do? What's the process?

                                  Do you just walk up to the machine, open it, take the part out, then develop your plan? You can, but holy shit that's asking for chaos, you know?

                                  It's like the manager of a McDonald's deciding to replace all the drive-thru headsets at their restaurant, taking them and throwing them in the trash, and then being like, "Alright.. well, guess I should start checking prices for replacement headsets." That is laughably terrible managment. Now you have to put a "please order at the window" sign up for who knows how long, and that is going to cause a chain of events: customers can't look at the menu or prices while actually ordering, resulting in a lot of "uhhh.. how much is the happy meal again?" and questions like that, adding time to each order, which makes the wait longer for the next customer, which creates a long line, which creates a "busier" restaurant, while generating the same revenue as a normal restaurant, which breeds really rushed, annoyed employees, which causes them to fuck up orders, which pisses off more customers, which will stress out the employees even more, and you see the cycle. That's just one example.

                                  You need a gameplan. Maybe they couldn't have said "Hey, we're firing Victoria in a few hours, Karmanaut. What ideas do you have?" He's not a reddit employee, definitely not managment, and should not have been privy to that, in particular. But damage mitigation is key, here.

                                  Right after the termination is official (paper signed, etc.), contact the mods at /r/IAMA and say, "We regret to inform you that Victoria is no longer with the company. We have assigned (insert admins here) to take over her role for the time being, to help with the transition phase while we find a more permanent solution."

                                  Of course everyone would still be pissed because Victoria is awesome and everyone loves her, but at least reddit acted professionally throughout the process. What they did do is let her go, and that.. well, that was it. Days passed, and they were like, "Oh, we fucked up." That is not how you change a part in a machine.

                                  You need to shut the machine down, take the part out after obtaining a replacement part, install the replacement part, and turn the machine back on. Reddit administration didn't shut the machine down or find a replacement. They reached their hand into a working, running machine, and ripped out a part, and just kinda went about their day, as if their part in this was done. Shitty. Fucking. Managment.

                                  So back to your question: did the admins get any time to do this? It really depends. Was Victoria let go? Like, just laid off, cutbacks, the "she wouldn't move" rumor, the "she didn't want video AMA's" rumor? If it was a decision that required thought, then yes, they had time. There is no "we have to fire her NOW" in any of those things. Those are all terminations which can include transitions. Now... did Victoria show up to work drunk, wearing a strapon, screaming the N word all over the office? Did she accidentally forget to cover up her swastika face tattoo one morning? Did she beat up a black, jewish, gay, transvestite employee? If she did something that would constitute "holy shit" immediate termination, then no, they didn't have time. But EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME, /r/IAMA is big enough that you make time after the fact to mitigate damage.

                                  PR is going to take a hit, regardless, because errbody love Victoria. Reddit's gonna be the bad guy there, and they have to deal with that. But not having a gameplan? Not talking to the mods during or directly after? It's unprofessional as fuck, and the flack they're catching for it is 100% deserved.

                                  This particular case, also, has 0% to do with Yishan, so despite how many swords he should rightfully be falling on, 'dis hea' ain't one.

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                                    [–]triangle21323 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    You made a post on quora regarding fph that was exactly the communication reddit should have made on day 1. So don't pretend this is all your fault.

                                    Edit: for reference:

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                                    [–]JilaX 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    So, you laid the plans to fire Victoria with no notice and no back up plan, in an attempt to make AMAs more commercialized?

                                    Interesting.

                                    [–]DoubleGSpot 61ポイント62ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    redditors are treating Ellen this way because this is the internet and we have the ability to google her and find out all sorts of things she's done outside of being reddit CEO that are of questionable morality.

                                    This frames the things she has done as CEO and directly affects the way we perceive anything she says publicly. Her credibility is shaky here not only because of the way things have been going for the site lately but because out in the real world she does some seriously messed up stuff.

                                    [–]BloodInMySaltStream 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    I said this just above, but it should be a response to you as well:

                                    The stuff that is broken can be on the previous administration. But communicating future plans for resolution, to fix them, or what needed fixing WAS her responsibility.

                                    Sticking your head in the sand and doing nothing, OR not talking about plans for the future and ignoring requests for communication - she is fully culpable.

                                    You liken it to the previous president - the new one comes in with a State of the union, and has frequent communication about their plans, and what they will do to better the nation. She has done next to nothing in that regard. This is the bases of the problem! Many users, including myself, are angry with the refusal to communicate. And when they do, its inflammatory or sarcastic! Way back in the days of Fark, an Admin named Jeff did something nearly identical, and was sacked nearly the next day. Is this any different? Check this out: http://www.fark.com/comments/7692480/Youll-get-over-it

                                    [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    Props for linking to Fark. When you know your community, you know how to properly handle your admins, and Drew knows his community. The problem here is that even Alexis doesn't understand this and tends to be more of a problem than a solution. When the top of the ladder has the wrong attitude that just bleeds all the way down to the bottom rungs.

                                    [–]Lupus-Yonderboy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    When you know your community, you know how to properly handle your admins, and Drew knows his community.

                                    That redesign a while back didn't go over well, with Jeff and the whole "They'll get over it" thing. I left then, and haven't been back since. I'm getting a lot of the same vibe from the recent events here on Reddit.

                                    [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yeah, that whole fiasco was just a hot mess. Some people just get an ego over their 'power' to administer a website.

                                    I can't help but imagine Kanye West in front of a keyboard when picturing admins and mods who have that sort of attitude.

                                    [–]BloodInMySaltStream 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    I did Slashdot, Fark, Digg, Reddit, Voat...hell, I beta-tested BitTorrent by Bram. Mozilla Firebird, BearShare...I've been doing this a long time. I remember the day Fark went rainbow and Jeff lost it. I was IN THAT THREAD! This is why I'm not happy...I feel the top level is out of touch, and its killing us as users. Being a kid and getting Mod points on Slashdot was so cool. And getting good points and notice when I was just learning as a child on Slashdot made me feel good about myself. I got props for good ideas as a child. Slashdot in the 90s was awesome.

                                    ...I think I still have a TotalFark account...

                                    [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I remember the day Fark went rainbow and Jeff lost it. I was IN THAT THREAD! This is why I'm not happy...I feel the top level is out of touch, and its killing us as users

                                    Every word of it. Truth. Drew did the right thing there. There's a reason that the "Morning Radio Zoo Crew" gets their best talking points from there. He knew what his community wanted and fostered it. You don't talk down to the people who butter your bread. You productively engage them. I just don't see that in the top-levels of reddit.

                                    [–]BloodInMySaltStream 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I used to, but I don't anymore. And that makes me sad. I'm cool with helping reddit make money. I'm okay with CHAGNE, but at least include us in the discussion...

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                                        [–]UnconfirmedCat 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Ok I'll bite, could you clarify on this "mess" you're saying you created?

                                        [–]gjallard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        If I might gently disagree with two of those statements...

                                        "she's not really responsible" and "and is cleaning up the mess I made"

                                        A CEO is the highest ranking officer of a company and is responsible for leading the development and execution of its long term strategy with a view to creating shareholder value. This leadership role also entails being ultimately responsible for all day-to-day management decisions and for implementing long and short term plans. A CEO acts as a direct liaison between the Board and management and communicates to the Board on behalf of management. A CEO owns the responsibility to communicate on behalf of the company to shareholders, employees, government authorities, other stakeholders and the public.

                                        When you assume the job of CEO, in every sense of the word, you are the company. Although you might not like it, you inherit every thing that came before you, and become ultimately responsible for it.

                                        In short, she might not have created this mess, but she owns it now!

                                        [–]liaquat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Mate, you sucking as CEO is not exclusive of her doing an ever worse job or as bad- difficult as that may be.

                                        [–]LittleClitoris 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Did you really compare Ellen Pao to Barack Obama? Comparing a corporate executive with the first African American president is fucking stupid. Comparing a corporate executive to Adolf Hitler is also stupid since Ellen Pao could never compare to Hitler and his numerous evil deeds even if she tried. It would be more appropriate to compare her with a Ferengi from the Star Trek world.

                                        [–]czechm8e 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        What a load of drivel. A CEO of a company doesn't get a 7 month grace period to trash the company's leadership reputation and claim lack of responsibility. If the CEO isn't 'responsible' then what are they being paid for?

                                        [–]SpaceSteak 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Except Obama didn't have Pao's recent legal troubles. Her frivolous lawsuits are enough to highlight her major issues.

                                        [–]i_lost_my_password 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You did a few things that pissed of the users, like getting rid of viable up/down votes, but I think you knew what the future of reddit needed to look like - decentralized. I think a decentralized social network would never be profitable the way the investors need it to be and I think you saw this future and realized this was a game that could not be won.

                                        [–]WOW_SUCH_KARMA 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        So cleaning up a mess includes firing your greatest PR asset?

                                        [–]ruinercollector 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        "hurr-durr you guys are liek republicans..."

                                        shut the fuck up, yishan.

                                        [–]the_jackson_2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        /r/yishansucks

                                        He's the one who recommended her - his fault too. Dumb fucking bastard.

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                                          [–]EconamWRX 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Former CEO of reddit asking via edit if his comment can get some notice....

                                          Man... this is one weird place.

                                          [–]Boredguy32 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I'll read the Former CEO comment, but first I'm waiting for dicknipples to weight in.

                                          [–]batardo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This isn't black and white. Ellen has made genuine mistakes of her own – promising transparency and failing to be transparent, placing administration and marketing above the needs of the community, to name a couple. What's been lacking through this whole debacle is leadership – the sort of leadership a large community needs to tide it through change. Ellen is the CEO. It's her job to provide that leadership, and she failed to do it.

                                          [–]cakes_and_pies 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You can't compare Pao to the President of the United States of America. Completely different.

                                          [–]AirPhforce 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                          Gitmo is still open you know.

                                          [–]CycoPenguin 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Good on you for taking some of the credit of bad decisions. This does not exonerate Pao, however.

                                          [–]yndihalda1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You're a stand up guy. Makes a mistake and admits it. Thank you for doing what most aren't brave enough to do.

                                          [–]MarcusDrakus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Honestly, I don't know that much about what you did or what goes on in corporate, but is it really that hard to keep a user supported forum up and running? Why is it that CEOs continuously screw everything up and rely on the people who warned them in the first to fix it? Does the corporate exist in such a vacuum that they can no longer understand common sense such as listening to people who know your product better than you? I'm not pointing fingers at you here, just want to know why this seems to be a common thing amongst people in power.

                                          [–]fatfrost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Good on you for owning up. Although, it must be a bitch to run this site. I don't envy either of you.

                                          [–]28DansLater 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The buck stops with the CEO. If the problems continue under the next CEO, they'll be treated the same way.

                                          Someone has to be held accountable. Since you're no longer in a position to make the changes needed, she's being held accountable. This is the job of the CEO.

                                          [–]Mr_bananasham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          My problem is that the response seems almost hollow, considering the fact that we have been calling for one for a while now, and it seems she is only doing it because she is gaining bad press. I don't care about her personal shit, honestly I just want her to be more cognizant of the users, to respond to the people she represents and that being in money.

                                          Her responses to outcries are insulting to say the least, when she ignores a majority. This response should have come long ago, and I think it should apologize for her responses to this issue, and others raised. I'm not knowledgable about business, so I can't say if she is good for profit or anything of the like, but her ability to handle this situation is my biggest concern.

                                          [–]Scoldering 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                          There's a valuable distinction there, in that the Republican campaign to blame Obama for Bush's administration was a top-down strategy, and a statement like yours blankets over the diversity of criticism which is actually going on here in threads such as these.

                                          [–]shadywack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Politics and bias on the glorious Reddit hive mind? Say it ain't so!!! This community was suppose to have transcended that bullshit, apparently we're no better than the real world. :(

                                          [–]IAMAJoel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You probably won't respond but there is a difference between her being responsible for something and it being her responsibly. She's the boss now and is responsible for cleaning up the past and everything moving forward. She can't control what happened before her but she sure as hell can do her best to make the future brighter.

                                          If something like what was written today was wrote when she came on I bet people would respect the message a lot more.

                                          [–]dartmanx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I didn't have a problem with the shutting down of FPH. I figured, hey, fewer assholes on Reddit, right? /r/all was full of people who probably needed to wipe the spittle off their monitors regularly, who lived in their mom's basement, etc.

                                          Unfortunately, I was wrong. As a non-moderator, I didn't realize the disdain that admins had for the moderators. I didn't realize that admins considered them a means to an end of stock options when reddit becomes profitable.

                                          All we are getting now is vague promises about "something" being done to help moderators "in the future". The admins have proven themselves untrustworthy, so really, the closed subs were reopened for, at best, vague promises.

                                          [–]Patranus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                          So Clinton is responsible for 9/11 and the following recession? Got it.

                                          [–]rubbishmyjunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Oh please. You're both fuck ups. Stop diverting blame.

                                          [–]Drapetomania 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                          It's so eerie! It's like a spooky ghost! Maybe the Koch brothers are behind it?

                                          So what you're saying that Victoria being fired and no subsequent communication from the admins is really all your doing? I knew you sucked shit, yishan, but that's some pretty extreme levels.

                                          [–]iBalls 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because she's not really responsible.

                                          This sums it up for me. A leader doesn't blame people who came before them, or the team that was in play, or is play now. A leader creates a plan and acts on it. Was there a plan, till now? No.. Are there excuses and those who are stepping up to allow for excuses to be made? Yup. It's an admission that the leader wasn't able to run the game.

                                          Based on this track record, can we expect anything remarkable, intuitive or innovative in her leadership? Not really. If it wasn't there at the start and didn't arise naturally until the recent fiasco - it's not likely to 'suddenly' and magically appear now or in the future. You can't buy leadership, manufacture or learn it. The 'CEO' title and various other titles mean nothing - either it's there, and in this case, or it's not.

                                          Most CEO/ leaders hope their work won't face discovery while they're in office. Then there are a small group of leaders who welcome discussion on their management skills and are willing participants in discussions regarding how they've performed, as an insight on their achievement and their plans to manage and evolve the business. Pao's leadership and these discussions are only on display, as the media and the whole Reddit community have found her skills lacking. She isn't comfortable as a leader, nor does she communicate effectively - I have no doubt that when the spotlight wanes, she'll return to her normal stance - someone who's in a leadership position, while not really having the skills to work the role.

                                          [–]cisxuzuul 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's not just her. Alexis has just as much to blame in this matter. Leadership is lacking in the current management team.

                                          Edit. Yes people are ugly and that just kills the real message from the members

                                          [–]Salinator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This is a downright appalling way to discuss legitimate user concerns as nothing more than bigotry. You should be ashamed at yourself for the insinuation.

                                          [–]Albafika 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Thanks for posting, yishan. Could you answer a question I've had while you're around?

                                          You once said:

                                          "We stand for free speech. This means we are not going to ban distasteful subreddits."

                                          While Ellen Pao said:

                                          "It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform."

                                          Thoughts on the matter?

                                          [–]UsingUpTheNames123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Well, then seriously, you're a shithead.

                                          You did left a mess and got sarcastic when people noticed.

                                          If you're really responsible, fall on your sword and resign.

                                          [–]matthewjc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You're really bringing a political opinion into this? No wonder you caused such a mess. Very unprofessional.

                                          [–]razz_al_ghul 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Yishan. Her practices since coming into her position have been questionable at best, regardless of the 'mess' you made. What about the disgusting treatment of 'Dacvak'? What about the censoring of news stories on this very site? You're talking out of your hole mate. This isn't all about 'not communicating'.

                                          [–]x0y0z0 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Hmm. Letting her take over might be your biggest mistake.

                                          Edit: I don't have any passionate opinions on this whole mess. And there's no way you could have know this would happen. But it's obvious now in retrospect that she's not reddit's saviour and seems to be digging a bigger hole.

                                          [–]bachelorettenumber4 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          These PR machinations are amazing to watch.

                                          Before 3 days ago, /u/yishan hadn't posted in a month.

                                          Just a casual, impromptu drive by that happens to include redirecting the pitchforked mob!

                                          [–]mack2nite 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I'm finding it difficult to believe he equated redditors to the tea party and received a couple thousand upvotes.

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                                          [–]John_Fx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Republican bashing will get you back in Reddit's graces.

                                          [–]happeningpodcast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This is such a stupid fucking comment.

                                          "This is just like those eeevil Republicans. You good liberals don't want to be Republicans, do you?"

                                          [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          While it may have not gone well during your tenure, it has not improved and that is on her.

                                          What I found most enlightening through all of this was her going to the press first rather than her own community. She wants to appease the money people. Any potential investor or advertiser more than likely doesn't use this site but does read the WSJ. This action alone speaks volumes to her intent. It's not about us it's about the money.

                                          Obviously, a CEO needs to be concerned about the finances, duh. But you don't take a huge dump on your product and still expect it to be worth something afterwards. It's even worse when the CEO doesn't even realize that they're taking a dump all over their product. That's the overall problem here- she's oblivious about both her product and the community. That does not make for a good CEO.

                                          [–]phat_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Yeah, ummm... I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that. Most of the problems have arisen under her, however brief, stewardship.

                                          And her "appointment" is as an interim CEO. I think she's proven she is woefully unqualified and inadequate for this position. The interim should be over and she should move aside.

                                          All things point to her having never even been a Redditor pryor to 2013. All things point to her having never even been a lurker before 2013.

                                          She very obviously doesn't get it.

                                          Further, she's been trying very hard to monetize the site. Like she's been given some other position in some other company. Or like she's been given some mandate by some shareholders. Or, most likely, that she can increase Reddit's net worth so she can leapfrog to her next, higher salaried, position. The monetization of so much social media has been the turn off for so many of us. A successful Reddit interim CEO should, at least, understand the very nature of the site. The monies are here. We freely love to gild each other and bestow benevolence on deserving people. But we can smell when someone is treating one of the few corners of the internet that is completely user driven is being manipulated.

                                          She may or may not be competent at something to do with business and the internet, but fuck me if I can find out what. She seems to have just been a cog in the wheel. What companies has she nurtured? What companies has she fought for?What companies has she stuck her neck out for? She seems like one of those blank lawyer faces we see actors portray on "Silicon Valley". A suit. I don't want a suit in charge of Reddit. I sure as shit don't want someone in charge of Reddit that would marry a hedge fund manager.

                                          She's fucking Lawful Evil and we need Chaotic Neutral.

                                          tl;dr I don't want to hang out with Ellen Pao. I wish she'd stop hanging out with me.

                                          [–]Mournhold 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                          I don't think this comparison works very well. Many of the issues that people are upset about have taken place fairly recently, while Ellen was in the position of interim CEO. In your Republican comparison and example, the blame was directed towards Obama by some outspoken Republicans in order to deflect any possible blame from being placed on the previous, Republican president, Bush. I don't think many people here on reddit are intentionally trying to place blame on Ellen in order to make you look better and by proxy, their political label.

                                          I think many people just think that she sucks at her job and noticed a lot negative things happening while she is the acting CEO. Now, there is some truth to the idea that Ellen is being blamed for far more than she is probably directly accountable for, but your comparison to republicans blaming Obama for issues caused during Bush's presidency seems mostly off the mark.

                                          Also, I like how you used the word eerily when setting up your poor comparison. I guess those dumb, silly US Republicans are 2spooky4u. Edit: And I say this as someone who became entirely annoyed with my perception of the US Republican party thanks to being raised in a very Republican, religious home.

                                          [–]jakjg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I agree. You can't expect her to fix problems made before she came on board.

                                          However, I feel like she's not really the best person for the job. She has a reputation for being hard to deal with, unreasonable, hard to get along with, litigious, etc. Basically a cold fish. So now you've taken a delicate situation and tried to fix it with a person who already comes with so much bad PR, no one is gonna give her the time of day.

                                          [–]Tor_Coolguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Oh bullshit Yishan. First of all, a lot of the criticism has been to the admins in general. The criticism focused on Pao is mostly directly in response to things she herself has said or done. You never said that reddit isn't a free speech platform, she did. Victoria wasn't fired on your watch. The list is long.

                                          [–]eastcoastblaze 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Been on reddit a couple years now, I didnt see major problems or people complaining (outside the search bat complaints) until the last month or so. Not saying there weren't problems, but I don't think Ellen has been helping.

                                          [–]Boston_Jason 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You aren't wrong. You did accept the 50 million dollar check.

                                          She is executing the wishes of the new Board and shouldn't care what us users think.

                                          Reddit didn't die with Pao. Reddit died when you took VC money.

                                          [–]ChuckieC 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          can I have an alum distinguish?

                                          2 hours later.... still no "alum". Glad to see administrators are still living up to their reputation even after all this!

                                          [–]JohnStalvern 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          She's been in the job for a few months and is cleaning up the mess I made.

                                          I feel like you need to elaborate on that statement.

                                          How are you the one responsible for Victoria's firing, the reason that Anti-Ellen Pao Sentiments have exploded on the site in the past 4 days?

                                          How are you responsible for the banning of FPH, a subreddit that many despised but granted the right to exist in their opinion?

                                          How are you responsible for the many shadowbans doled out for posts which mention Ellen Pao's lawsuits or mock her for trying to post an inbox message link to a sub?

                                          If you have satisfactory answers to any of these questions, this is the time to answer them.

                                          [–]an_angry_Moose 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Nice of you to jump on the grenade, yishan, but frankly I don't believe you.

                                          The mess you made? Like keeping an employee with cancer on the payroll? She really cleaned that up well.

                                          [–]labortooth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Eh, you didn't do enough harm to warrant a comparison to the Bush administration.

                                          [–]isrly_eder 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          she's done plenty to be hated on her own merits.

                                          all credit to Ellen though, she has resisted the urge to publicly trash a former employee. remember that?

                                          [–]Zaorish9 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          sorry but that's not the case. it's obvious from her posts in this very thread. The real problem is her definition of harassment is so huge that it's clear reddit will soon no longer be known as a place for free speech.

                                          [–]itsjh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          god you are the biggest cuck in the universe

                                          [–]Diplomjodler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          While it was certainly not an easy task she took on, I don't see any positive contribution she has made at all.

                                          [–]kwh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because she's not really responsible. She's been in the job for a few months and is cleaning up the mess I made.

                                          By which you mean you should have banned /r/fatpeoplehate? Fired /u/chooter sooner? What exactly do you mean, Former Reddit CEO Yishan Wong?

                                          [–]redwormcharlie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency

                                          Do you ever think it could have anything with her as an American talking about being anti freedom of speech?

                                          SURELY that wouldn't piss off an average American in the face of all the internet regulation bullshit coming around.

                                          [–]KoNP 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          So how did the mess you made get fixed by mass shadowbans and the obvious banning of ideas, not people?

                                          [–]QuantumStasis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          What ideas were "banned"?

                                          [–]Arch_0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Two years isn't it?

                                          [–]BananaToy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So it was your fault?! /r/yishansucks

                                          [–]dougviaweb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Classy! (Not sarcastic)

                                          [–]PipBoy808 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I have to admit, that took balls.

                                          [–]koryisma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I'm not really vested in this whole revolution thing one way or another, but I have to say that this is the most believable moment of someone taking responsibility for things that I've seen. Kudos, man.

                                          [–]jk147 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I feel kind of dirty now after you compared it that way.

                                          [–]pot-oooooooo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          i respect you for saying this, thank you. and (no offense!) agree about the obama statement. thank you and im sure you did not purposely make a mess of reddit

                                          [–]Llim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So....we should really be directing all of our hate at you?

                                          READY THE PITCHFORKS

                                          [–]muteterror 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You mean implementing major changes doesn't happen instantly like most of reddit likes to think but actually takes time.

                                          [–]otto_13371 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Holy shit it's you!

                                          [–]The_Restricted 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          CEO Administrator Emeritus should be the title.

                                          [–]doubleplushomophobic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          So you're saying /r/yishansocks?

                                          [–]Dustinss5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          They should just fire everyone who has any common sense.

                                          July 2nd was a good start.

                                          [–]fire_and_shit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          You were perfect

                                          [–]dsnchntd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Good looking out, mate. Maybe /r/yishansucks was wrong after all.

                                          [–]vinnyj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Then you should have stepped in front of it...

                                          You needed someone to step in front of traffic, now here we are....

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