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[–]kentrel 154ポイント155ポイント  (29子コメント)

We don’t talk about individual employees out of respect for their privacy.

So she's free to tell people why she was fired?

[–]coopdude 203ポイント204ポイント  (17子コメント)

Bad mouthing a prior employer is a great way to become un-hireable unfortunately. Companies think if you say negative things, that even if their company does not deserve it, you might say less than flattering things if you work for them and leave at a prior later point.

It's also a potential liability issue from both ends, which is why if you (as a company) call a prior employer of a candidate, some won't say anything negative and will just verify dates of employment with no comment.

EDIT: fixed typo

[–]Mapleyy 39ポイント40ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yep, exhibit A: former admin does an AMA, lies about why they were fired, gets smacked down by then-Reddit CEO Yishan Wong (/u/yishan) himself.

[–]kunk180 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was pretty damn entertaining to read.

[–]gadget_uk 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

The ceo breaking the terms of an NDA in revenge is hardly testament to a professional culture.

[–]Half_The_Battle 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

NDA already likely broken by the former admin, so it doesn't matter what he said. It is incredibly likely that there was a clause that it was all void if he started doing the exact shit he started doing. Spreading lies and bad talking your former employer is a sure way to break any confidentiality agreement between you and them.

[–]gadget_uk -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

It certainly was broken by the ex employee. I would expect a properly run, professional organisation to rise above that, not engage in a tit-for-tat moan-off. From the office of the CEO, no less.

The point is, nobody came out of that episode with any credit. Where it would have been easy for reddit Inc. to maintain some dignity, they chose to lower themselves to the level of a disgruntled leaver.

[–]belmincour 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Once the ex employee comes out and makes claims from a position of having insider knowledge to say that the company is horrible, responding with something of greater authority that destroys the credibility of the ex employee would seem to be a simple and wise PR move.

Professionalism doesn't mean politeness to the point of self sabotage.

[–]gadget_uk 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"We disagree that the views presented by our ex-employee have any basis in fact and we're disappointed that he felt the need to air his grievances in contravention of the non-disparagement agreement he signed. For our part, we wish to uphold our side of that agreement so will not be commenting further. We continue to wish him all the best in his future endeavors".

"Professionalism" n : Not acting like a petty child in a work environment.

[–]belmincour 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pfft. Mealy mouthed corporate speak is for when nothing you can say will make you look any better so you use lots of words to say nothing at all.

Preventing yourself looking bad without worsening your position is standard PR fare, but true professionalism is being able to get results while making yourself look good when the opportunity strikes, as it did in this case.

You may not have personally have liked it and you can even discount the 14x gildings if you want but 6500 upvotes shows that what Yishan did was resoundingly well received and an overwelmingly positive PR coup as far as the opinion of users were concerned.

[–]gadget_uk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It all depends on your perspective. You can be interested in judging reddit as a source of entertainment, a potential employer or a sound investment.

Sure, 6500 people may well have thought it was cool as part of a mini-drama in microcosm. If you're happy to picture reddit inc as a frat house then it was great fun. However, there are some people who know full well that they have to be seen to possess corporate acumen too. Reddit can have billions of imprints from millions of unique visitors every single day, but that doesn't pay the bill, that creates the bill. The future viability of reddit is reliant on investment, very few investors are going to risk their money in an outfit that could self-destruct (or leave themselves open to painful lawsuits) at any moment.

Equally, when it comes to attracting the best talent, the industry elite are not going to work for a CEO who is incapable of rising above office spats.

[–]NiceCubed 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ceo breaking the terms of an NDA

They didn't sign an NDA, they signed a non-disparagement. Moreover, the former employee talking shit actually violates (and nullifies) the agreement - which means that the CEO didn't do anything wrong.

E: People will talk a lot about how a CEO responding in this way was unprofessional, but I wonder if times have changed in that regard. It used to be that everyone was just really passive and did a bunch of half smiles about terminated employees, but with the audience you can reach these days with literally nothing I can see the merit in quelling rumors rather than providing a "well sometimes people disagree or whatever" which definitely wouldn't satisfy the reddit crowd.

[–]imadeapoopie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a great way to lose you severance too - if that's a thing in this case.

[–]donnowheretogo 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking of course she is, but she likely won't because that's insanely unprofessional.

[–]coredumperror 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, the professional curtesy being shown to Victoria by reddit is inherently reciprocal. If she speaks out, reddit has no reason to hold back anything they might have to say to her future prospective employers.

[–]sevargmas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure she is but she's also likely looking for employment right now and doesnt want to come on reddit and publicly disclose the details of her departure.

[–]S_Seaborn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure she is, but she is going to want to try to get another job in PR down the road. Going public would make her somewhat unhireable in that industry.

[–]Tor_Coolguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't she say she doesn't know? Maybe they're respecting her privacy from herself.

[–]Aikidi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It didn't go well for the last admin who tried that.

[–]goodstuff10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she wants to lose her severance and/or et sued, sure!

[–]TheCyberGlitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's assuming she has any idea why it happened.

[–]rftz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe she respects her own privacy. Unlike the cesspool of idiots that is Reddit.

[–]kentrel -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

redditor for 3 years

Why do you call yourself an idiot?

[–]allthefoxes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Its called non disparagement

They don't talk about it, you don't talk about it.

Then when new employer gives reddit a call, reddit can just go and say "Yes Victoria was a good employee you should hire her"