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[–]TheCid 1968ポイント1969ポイント  (244子コメント)

With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience

I like how you phrase this like it was your decision and not that of the IAMA mods.

[–]animalprofessor 817ポイント818ポイント  (47子コメント)

Yeah pretty clever, considering they already announced that they would do AMAs with no more admin involvement.

[–]poosp 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Devil's advocate here. What if the admins were involved with the decision from the beginning?

[–]animalprofessor 66ポイント67ポイント  (6子コメント)

From what I saw, there are now two AMA verify emails, one set up by admins and one set up by mods. It will be interesting to see which becomes the official and normal one.

Who knows, but it sure looks like the admins were trying to take over & monetize AMAs and didn't consider the last resort where the mods could kick them out entirely. We may never know if the admins use their last resort, kicking all the mods that oppose them and secretly taking over...

[–]cahaseler 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

We've had ours for years, and handed it out to anyone who modmailed us and felt more comfortable in email, or needed to email private proof documents.

[–]noobit 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The downside is you now no longer have Victoria actively seeking out new celebrity-people willing to do AMAs, right? That was one of the things you mentioned to the admins iirc

If they end up having their "someone for the role of Talent Relations" fill that role, they could start up their own 'official' subreddit and host those AMAs there.

[–]billndotnet 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is where the company line about not discussing former employees is covering reddit's collective ass. If the goal is to monetize AMAs (promote new movies, etc), and Victoria was opposed to that because it means puff pieces instead of AMAs, then yes, the backlash of dismissing Victoria for not toeing the company line was definitely not what they expected. Not discussing why V was let go gives them a lot of cover, here.

If reddit replaces the AMA mods, I don't think it'll be a secret. There's no way in hell a user account would be suborned by the company, or mods replaced en masse, and not have a subsequent stink about it. Before the internet, rumour only travelled at the speed of sound. It's a lot faster, now.

The point of fact stands: Reddit needs to turn a profit, and monetizing RampartMAs is one way it can happen. There are simply too many consumers of media here to not do it. If V was opposed to it, as reported, well, she certainly isn't anymore.

As much as we'd love Reddit to be our private little clubhouse, someone's gotta pay to keep the lights on.

[–]MaNiFeX 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. Most truly community-oriented organizations are non-profit, though. It will be interesting to see how a for-profit organization balances community and profit without making the community feel like a product (i.e. - Facebook).

[–]1337BaldEagle 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's discus what is important here: Can the mods ban the Admins from their subreddit? ;)

[–]coredumperror 40ポイント41ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, it is Reddit's decision on who they decide to employ and how they decide to employ than. If they want to fire the most important person involved in the process of setting up the biggest media draw to their site, that's their prerogative.

It's monumentally idiotic, and made astronomically worse by the way they went about it. But it's entirely within their rights to do it without input from the mods.

[–]TheFatJesus 31ポイント32ポイント  (4子コメント)

What was meant by that comment is that the IAMA mods made it clear that they would not be working with admins to set up AMAs anymore because they couldn't trust them. But Alexis is making it sound like it was their decision not to be go betweens.

[–]TheGuyYouKnowThatGuy 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it was basically the admin equivalent of saying, "You can't fire me from AMA's, because "I QUIT!"

[–]LiterallyKesha -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Firing Victoria, who was the admin that was in between the celebs and mods for AMAs, made it the admin's decision way before the mods' announcement.

[–]TheFatJesus 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except they had set up a new email account and had prepped a team to continue Victoria's work.

[–]LiterallyKesha -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The email was for AMA INQUIRIES. That's a lot different than what Victoria was doing.

[–]a_lumberjack -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

If the most important person involved isn't doing the job the way you want them to, you fire them and move on. That's not idiotic, that's how you run a business.

[–]coredumperror 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

The problem is that she was doing the job she was hired to do. And she was doing it extremely well. Their decision to no longer want her to do that job is what was idiotic.

[–]iky43210 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Being good at your work doesn't mean you can't get fired. There are plenty of non-idiotic reasons why someone good at their work can get fired.

[–]coredumperror 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not even really about Victoria's performance on the job. It's about the position she held as AMA go-between. Reddit just cut that entire position, obviously without realizing how utterly vital it was to the entire AMA process. Their handling of what happened after she was terminated makes this very clear.

[–]iky43210 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their handling of what happened after she was terminated makes this very clear.

Not really, just a lot of speculations.

[–]10_KG_VALUE_PACK 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just now giving the moderators the autonomy to conduct them themselves

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[–]supmayte 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's clearly PR they are planning to tell the news.

[–]Aikidi 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, since they're admins, they could totally just say "hey IAmA is too valuable for you to mess with, we're taking moderation control over of this sub" and be done with it.

So it is their decision.

[–]stationhollow -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could try but then the subreddit would be a shithole with no moderation...

[–]squintychino 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience

"...because we had no choice, so now we have to spin it like it was our choice"

[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the IAMA mods using Victoria (an admin) as their liason with high profile people. Victoria was fired, and the mods were mad about that because it interrupted thier normal way of functioning. So to me, it looks like this change is entirely a result of reddit administrative action.

[–]stationhollow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit then told the mods that they had put a team in place and to use an email address to fill Victoria's role. The mods said don't worry, we'll handle it from now on. Now the admins are acting like it was their idea.

[–]CompZombie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree this seems like the most bullshit doublespeak part of his statement.

It sounds like he is trying to say they are improving things by getting rid of the one employee that helped the mods conduct fair and authenticated AMA's and letting the mods now handle it themselves, even though they already had that ability if they chose. But don't worry because they also going to hire someone full time to do the job of the person they fired because they decided you didn't need them.

[–]HopelessR 10ポイント11ポイント  (33子コメント)

Because the moderators can clearly control what the reddit admins do.

[–]rdeluca 41ポイント42ポイント  (30子コメント)

No but they do control what /r/iama does. Which they have decided is do nothing with admins

[–]HopelessR -5ポイント-4ポイント  (17子コメント)

Which occurred after the release of Victoria's position. The admins and staff made the decision.

[–]rdeluca 16ポイント17ポイント  (16子コメント)

Admins and staff said that "admins would help out on a rotating basis" , /u/Karmanaut the MODERATOR said, "nope, we're doing IAmA without admins now."

If you're going to comment at least stay up to date on the facts.

[–]cpxh -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They think they control what /r/iama does. But the Admins still have full control. They could always remove all the moderators and appoint new ones.

And the downside would be what, 25% of the subscribers unsubscribe in protest, while at the same time the ad revenue and site traffic continue to grow?

Lets be honest with ourselves here. The users of reddit, myself included, we're the product, not the consumer.

[–]rdeluca 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The users of reddit, myself included, we're the product, not the consumer.

Seriously? That's just stupid, and the fact that people keep copypasting that everywhere mindlessly like it's deep is even more stupid.

The users of reddit are not the consumer.

Yeah ok, clearly it's big businesses that are using reddit. Oh wait.

[–]cpxh -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet you think you're the consumer of facebook and google too?

How much do you pay reddit for their services?

[–]AnOnlineHandle -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't think you understand that the admins actually built and own the site, and have full power over everything.

[–]rdeluca 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do. I don't think you understand how paranoid everyone sounds constantly thinking they're going to just remove moderators all willynilly whenever they want.

But hey, if they do that it'll be the last straw for most people and all the moderators who actually care.

[–]Luna_Wolf 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

If they really wanted to burn Reddit down some more, they'd do that.

[–]AnOnlineHandle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

But they can decide what iama does, it's entirely in their power, anything the mods do is because they allow it.

[–]Luna_Wolf 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

And why exactly would the mods listen to the admins? They already closed the subreddit in protest, I don't think they fear being removed.

[–]AnOnlineHandle -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

... I'm not sure you understand, the admins have complete control, they can kick mods and take over any time they want. Anything that the mods do, is because the admins allow it.

[–]Luna_Wolf -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and I hope both parties know that if they do that a large part of the community would explode. People were already going completely crazy when the admins were falsely accused of doing just that with /r/pics when it went up early again. If they ever did that, the community would recoil, and the mods, knowing that, have wiggle room to do what they want.

[–]stationhollow -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they decide to do anything to the mods of that subreddit it would create an even bigger shit storm that what has been going on in the past week.

[–]only_your_enemy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you misunderstand his post?

[–]ZeroHex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this case - namely how they manage the AMA process of verification and hand holding as necessary - the moderators do control the process. They set the standards for the community they create, not the admins.

[–]kn0thing[A] 27ポイント28ポイント  (115子コメント)

That was our aim from the start, which I shared on defaultmods on Thursday (though I should have messaged the affected mods as soon as it happened). I made the mistake of first posting this publicly on r/outoftheloop instead of a bigger sitewide post.

Edit: and yes, I communicated this terribly. As I said on modnews about my behavior....

I was stupid. I’d been talking with mods all day on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view) and based on all the positive feedback I’d gotten, thought the tide was turning with the entire reddit community. And then I made glib comments that were on public subs in a bad attempt to be playful and have since edited the worst offender to acknowledge how stupid it was and remind myself to not be that dumb again. Ultimately, to 99% of our users, my comment history just showed a guy being stupid, and I’m sorry for that.

[–]that_dude_bro 208ポイント209ポイント  (62子コメント)

at least you're a meme on your own website now.

[–]kn0thing[A] 167ポイント168ポイント  (59子コメント)

Not worth it. I called Steve u/spez after I realized what a jackass I'd been and it was great, classic spez. It went something like.

Me: "Hey, dude, I fucked up...."

Spez: "Yep."

Me: "Thanks, dude. I'm going to make this right."

Spez: "First step: stop saying stupid things."

Me: "Thanks."

Good advice.

[–]krosington 83ポイント84ポイント  (13子コメント)

I have a question. You're a cofounder of this site so I know you had an original vision for it and feel personally responsible for its success.

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now? Are you proud of what it's turned into since its inception?

(Be honest, be the kn0thing we knew before the board-approved key messaging.)

[–]kn0thing[A] 101ポイント102ポイント  (11子コメント)

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now?

No.

Are you proud of what it's turned into since its inception?

Yes, in spite of all the shit we've put it through (and this includes my first 5 years here).

[–]kilwam 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you happy with the state of reddit right now? No.

What would you like to be different about reddit in five years time?

[–]xChrisk 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think a direct post to your users regarding a 6 month, 1 year, and 5 year goals would be interesting and help restore some faith.

I say this because it seems clear that a great deal of the drama over the past year stems from the administration of the site.

I know you've already detailed a 6 month plan, so I was more interested in long term. I also think that your users have no issues with being monetized as a product. They are just weary of being deceived in order to be better monetized. The community here is wonderful and I would argue that if you brought them to the table in this discussion they might surprise you.

[–]billndotnet 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you give users an opportunity to be understanding, it's a hell of a lot easier than getting them to be forgiving.

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    [–]xChrisk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not sure you understand the difference between a suggestion and a demand.

    They are admitting fault here. I made a suggestion as to how they might improve their standing with the community.

    The entitlement you speak of is coming from a narrative you seemed to have kneejerked into creating.

    [–]krosington 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for answering! I appreciate your answers and the work you're doing right now.

    [–]Elrond_the_Ent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A lot of the 'state of Reddit' is directly your doing. You've betrayed us and everything you once claimed to stand for.

    [–]sputs99 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All talk, reddit really wants to see some genuine action on administration's part.

    [–]halfar -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    h-h-hello, senpai.

    What's your opinion about when the front page gets flooded by a protest, like when everyone was posting all of the anti-pao stuff after /r/FatPeopleHate was shut down?

    [–]oldguynewname 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So why do you care now? What made you realize that its time to give users what they want?

    [–]rya11111 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This spez guy sounds like a great guy. You should hire him.

    [–]kn0thing 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That's a good idea.

    [–]rya11111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    heh. well all the best! I hope things work out.

    [–][deleted] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit admins' plans for the future

    [–]halfar 50ポイント51ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Thank gods you've at least got a goofy face, senpai. ≷• ܫ•≶

    edit: look at this goofy bastard. He looks like he could be an extra on HIMYM as ted mosby's twin brother.

    [–]speedofdark8 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After this all blows over (drama always does) you should give yourself a cakeday-like icon next to your name of a popcorn kernel.

    I thought it was funny, though, not everyone here hates you for that depsite 5k downvotes :)

    [–]BigDaddy_Delta 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hire victoria back

    You screwed up by firing her

    Firing the guy in charge of redditgifts was a dick move too

    [–]Absinthe99 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Taste that Sizzle!

    Of course you do know what this means... every time from now on into the future that you have popcorn, well.

    [–]SwallowRP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought it was good. Didn't see that until now and it gave me a chuckle!

    [–]Elrond_the_Ent 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I can guarantee this conversation never happened. You didn't 'fuck up' in your mind. You got caught.

    Fucking admit it. At least show you have some respect for our intelligence.

    [–]BloodInMySaltStream 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    One of the founders of Fark lost his role within the organization many years ago for a comment almost identical to this. I was in the thread when it happened (You can see it here: http://www.fark.com/comments/2762299/Fark-site-redesign-is-now-live-Hope-nothing-breaks-were-all-out-drinking?startid=29867348#new)

    If ANY of my employees said this to anyone, they would be terminated. Insulting a customer in a job is a fast way to get yourself fired. And yet you are still here, communicating in a horrifyingly unclear fashion in various places. Do you believe you should stay? While all this possibility sounds well and good, where are the concrete dates? That is what I want to see. And the steps that will take place if the dates are missed. That's how you run a business. I don't envy you, and I know this isn't easy. But as a long-time user, and a person who has met many people, including good friends though Reddit, this place is very important to me.

    Someone made a great point below me, and will give many of us relief...

    I think a direct post to your users regarding a 6 month, 1 year, and 5 year goals would be interesting and help restore some faith. I say this because it seems clear that a great deal of the drama over the past year stems from the administration of the site. I know you've already detailed a 6 month plan, so I was more interested in long term. I also think that your users have no issues with being monetized as a product. They are just weary of being deceived in order to be better monetized. The community here is wonderful and I would argue that if you brought them to the table in this discussion they might surprise you.

    But we want hard details, and what happens if you miss...

    [–]Lpup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So when will you be stopping?

    [–]Phoneaccount2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This never happened.

    [–]HollowImage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    good talk doe.

    [–]sputs99 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Too late.

    [–]GiantSquidd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Translation: he's become a joke to reddit.

    [–]conspiracy_thug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    at least you're a meme on your own website now.

    In terms of the rare pepe market, those kn0thing stocks are penny stocks.

    [–]BostonDrivingIsWorse 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I've seen you repeatedly state that giving the mods direct control over AMAs was always the intention, and that there was never any plan to monetize the format.

    I just curious why the sudden shift when it seemed like the format was already working so well? It also seems like the mods lamented /u/chooter leaving, and had no desire to take over the duties she was previously responsible for. As it stands now, the mods appear to be reluctantly taking over AMA duties only to keep from having to coordinate with the admins, now that Victoria is gone.

    [–]Ahremer 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Wait.. your goal was that the job Victoria did and you payed her for, will now be done by volunteers? Kinda smart.

    [–]Dimethyltrip_to_mars 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

    no, they said they're looking for another full-time person for that position.

    i'm sure people are just going to come in droves for that position, knowing how well they fired the last one for no reason whatsoever.

    [–]LiteralMangina 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You don't know the reason, for all you know Victoria could have fucked up in a major way.

    [–]Dimethyltrip_to_mars 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    same goes for redditgifts dude too i suppose.

    doesn't change the fact that it is a bad look for future hiring practices.

    [–]Debasers_Comics 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If she had shit in a urinal or something, they would have leaked it by now.

    [–]El_Zombie 309ポイント310ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Uh huh.

    Popcorn tastes good.

    Edit: (CTRL+C, CTRL+V Apology Paragraph)

    [–]Madux37 95ポイント96ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Mfw I saw that comment and the absolute shitstorm it unleashed.

    [–]blue_dreams 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Orville Redditbacher, anyone?

    [–]VERYstuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ohanian Redditbacher

    FTFY

    [–]dangerdark 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Did you see him attempt to humanize himself when posting in that /r/amiugly thread responding to someone who told him to kill himself? It was so incredibly transparent it hurt.

    "Look everyone, I'm the bigger person and I still care! I mean this is the only example you'll find of me doing this, and it comes at a time when damage control is necessary, but I swear it's legit!"

    [–]cefriano 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    To be fair, it is literally the only example I've seen of him doing that. If someone cares to provide other examples, please feel free. But "popcorn tastes good" is the example I'm seeing pasted everywhere he comments.

    [–]noobit 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's because it's his "let them eat cake."

    [–]Duke_of_Pillows 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Look everyone, I'm the bigger person and I still care! I mean this is the only example you'll find of me doing this, and it comes at a time when damage control is necessary, but I swear it's legit!"

    I laughed out loud reading this. You are 100% correct.

    [–]daddylongstroke 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I absolutely love how butthurt everyone was over that comment. I thought it (and the subsequent reaction) was hilarious.

    [–]Akintudne 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    At the time, the site was in full protest mode. Ellen and Alexis were (seemingly) very quiet while major default subs were going dark. The comment came off as extremely glib and insensitive. When the site is on fire, the last thing people want to see is an admin toasting marshmallows.

    [–]OneBigBug 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Edit: and yes, I communicated this terribly.

    Can you...stop doing that? Like...take a class or something? Because honestly, for as long as I've been paying attention to stuff about reddit, rather than just stuff on reddit, admins have communicated horribly. In like...the worst possible way. So bad that it would be better to say nothing. Which is almost impressive.

    Like 99% of all the huge drama that ends up hurting this site is because you (the collective you) absolutely suck at communicating. It almost always traces back to that. All the decisions and actual actions that have been taken (more or less) would have been either perfectly fine, or at most a minor drama in the individual thread it was announced in if the community had been interacted with in a less ridiculous way. It goes far beyond one bad comment.

    I was going on to explain, but what I wrote ended up being ridiculously long. Suffice to say that not only does the way that mods are communicated with need to change, but the way you think about decision making at reddit needs to change. These arguments for why you're pieces of shit are like a cancer. (Like that guy that got fired has. Gotta love examples that pull double duty.) Left untreated, even for a short period of time, you'll be overwhelmed by them. And some day that cancer will get bad enough to kill you.

    If you think about any publicly facing action (including hirings and firings) without having a meeting where you have devil's advocates arguing with your decisions, and you formulating strong responses to the obvious arguments, and maybe even making you reconsider the action, you're doing it wrong and you'll keep having these problems.

    [–]Reddisaurusrekts 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Maybe they can rehire Victoria as a Communications Training Consultant, since she was honestly the only one I'm aware of who was popular and good at it.

    [–]SolarAquarion 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank you for owing up to your mistakes

    [–]HowAboutShutUp 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you at some point aim to define, and publically spell out the rules about things like shadowbanning, brigading, and other inconsistencies with the application of consequences to subs and users? You keep saying stuff like "we're working on" "we're looking into" and so on--do you guys even have a set policy on what will get you shadowbanned or what a brigade is? You promised us transparency months ago and we haven't seen it. If you can't deliver, deliver a timetable, or an explanation why you can't/won't do it, instead of feeding us nebulous corporate claptrap.

    [–]mrv3 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

    How did the popcorn taste?

    [–]allthefoxes 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Everyone so mad at Alexis but he's right popcorn is amazing.

    [–]mrv3 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Certainly, there was a Popcorn landslide.

    It's just really funny how as this was breaking he first went to himself

    "Ah, a colleague was fired and people are mad time but they won't get that upset time to make a off hand joke at the expense of my colleague."

    Then 12 hours later

    "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck"

    [–]xChrisk 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's an interesting dynamic when /u/kn0thing acknowledges that people love the drama while being partially responsible for causing it. It essentially just opens a worm hole of criticism from every possible angle, no matter how honest it is.

    I have this issue myself, sometimes acknowledging that what I did was stupid, but hey at least we can enjoy the popcorn inducing results.

    [–]mudclog 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm surprised /r/popcorn didn't hop on /u/kn0thing's endorsement

    [–]Boston_Jason -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I drowned this weekend in fireworks and popcorn.

    [–]Sakki54 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just wondering, what is your favorite brand of popcorn? Are you an Orville Redenbacher, Pop-Secret, Act II, or movie theater type guy? I need to refill my popcorn stash, and since you seem to be an expert on it I was wondering what your thoughts on the subject were?

    [–]raxcitybitch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm confused - you're replacing one person with a team, why weren't they included?

    To me, that seems redundant. I wouldn't replace a person who is fluent in C++ with a group of 5 who is fluent in VB.NET, to do the exact same task and more.

    [–]GetToDahChoppah 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How is that popcorn tasting?

    [–]Zezombye 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view)

    ...didn't you check even ONCE one of the subreddits?

    [–]Cacafuego2 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Your post on /r/outoftheloop, which was spread widely, seems to say the opposite.

    In that post, and in several of your early postings or mod communications, you made reference to how you were going to help coordinate AMAs, how all there was a "team" helping coordinate AMAs, and so on.

    You mentioned "We're prepared to help coordinate and schedule AMAs". You didn't say anything about phasing that action out. You mentioned how some people could do AMAs without coordination, but it comes across more like trying to sooth the people upset that no coordination was happening.

    If this was your intent up front it seems like it would have been more clear. Instead it seems like you were scrambling at the time and what you're saying now is just what you've come up with in the meantime; which wouldn't really make it the plan all along.

    Can you share what you'd posted to /r/defaultmods that expressed that this was your aim from the start? The Outoftheloop posting definitely doesn't seem to indicate it.

    [–]_supernovasky_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't mean to sound crass or insulting but... How could you, an admin of reddit, not realize that the places you were communicating were private? We need our admins to understand how to use the site better than the average redditor. I find this even harder to believe given that the font page was filled with screenshots of your posts due to the fact that nobody could read them because they were in private subreddits.

    [–]stationhollow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's even worse when you raise he co-created the bloody site.

    [–]Bratmon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That was our aim from the start

    Once again, I'm not entirely sure that's true.

    [–]stationhollow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You realize that you can say that it was your plan from the beginning over and over but it comes off as completely disingenuous, right? It honestly sounds like you got caught and now the excuses and half assed apologizes get wheeled out.

    [–]StraightTalkExpress 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wish I could royally fuck up at my job and make glib, playful jokes about it.

    Although, I suppose we've learned that you can't either.

    Welcome to the professional world, son. It sucks that you have to think before you speak, but it pays great.

    [–]91civikki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Was the popcorn really that good?

    [–]CoolRunner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I trust that you have the proper understanding of the culture on reddit to craft it's future, but nobody ever answers this question. Why is Ellen Pao considered qualified for her position as the head of the company?

    [–]Wikkiwikki420 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Give all users the ability to edit ours ourselves. It should remain as we wish to see what was said. Eff censorship.

    [–]Joe0060 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Let's analyze this.

    By all accounts, Victoria was doing an outstanding job, so what do you do? You fire her.

    On the other hand, you, /u/kn0thing, take responsibility for the poor way things were handled and you still have a job.

    Can you explain this logic?

    [–]AFabledHero -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    At least read what she has to say before downvoting. She's saying she made mistakes. Isn't that exactly what you want to hear?

    [–]MutthaFuzza -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know at any other company you would be fired for acting like you did.

    [–]Gorgonpistol -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tagged

    [–]The_Year_of_Glad -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I’d been talking with mods all day on subreddits I thought were restricted (only approved submitters can post, but anyone can view), not private (only approved people can view) and based on all the positive feedback I’d gotten, thought the tide was turning with the entire reddit community.

    In the interest of transparency, will you allow a trusted third party, such as a mod of a default subreddit like /u/karmanaut, to have access to your comment log for the purposes of creating an unexpurgated log of your comments during that time interval, for the purposes of verification of your claim?

    [–]mz81 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you should get out more, dude.

    [–]The_Year_of_Glad 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He and Ellen freely admitted in the text of the original post that people don't trust them right now. Most of the things in that post are too nebulous to be verified in any demonstrable fashion, so they don't do anything to rebuild the trust that has been lost. If he released those messages, that would be a tangible demonstration of trust in the community, and encourage people to reciprocate. At the same time, given the current lack of trust, it would be best to have a third-party in charge of the collection and distribution of such, to ensure that everything is above-board.

    If he doesn't want to do it, fair enough, but nothing he's said so far today makes me any more inclined to believe him in the future.

    [–]pantsu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or like there was some kind of announcement!

    [–]BlackHumor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My guess is what this really means is "Victoria was fired because we'd already decided to eliminate her position in favor of the AMA email", but he can't say that outright for NDA reasons.

    [–]IrNinjaBob 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Why wouldn't it be their decision? If Reddit decided it was in their best interest to incorporate celebrities into being active members of the site, why would they need to ask the moderators of one of their subreddits permission? While /r/IAMA is certainly the main draw for celebrities now, that wouldn't meant it were up to them for whether or not Reddit as a company invests their resources in bringing in more celebrities as users who understand the site.

    The main complaint I see with celebrity Reddit use now is when somebody genuinely u doesn't get the format and sort of just phones it in. Having celebrities be part of the community, and then host an AMA would do nothing but increase the quality of that sort of content for that subreddit.

    I don't get why Victoria couldn't still fit in that picture, dealing with the celebrity AMAs that aren't reddit users.

    [–]stationhollow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The big concern with celebrities just using the site regularly is we have no proof it is them. With the AMAs you could be certain that it was the person answering questions because Victoria was there or talking to them on the phone. This new approach seems to me like the celebrity would do the AMA to start with then a 'social media coordinator' would take over the account and make comments and posts on behalf of the actual person and we would have no way of knowing.

    [–]Amp1497 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're still introducing and sourcing talent for AMAs, just now giving the moderators the autonomy to conduct them themselves.

    I think by phasing themselves out, he meant that they were actually giving them the tools to make their independence easier to manage. Before, it seems that the admins played some sort of role in the AMA process, and Victoria was the link between the admins and the mods. With Victoria gone and the mods taking AMA's into their own hands, the admins are giving them the tools and powers they need to make this easier for them. "Phasing out" essentially means that they're providing mods with what they need, not that it was their decision initially to let mods have control:

    [–]sauceDinho -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Well, it is their website and I think it's a pretty reasonable thing to want high profile people to become apart of the website and not just drive-bys.

    [–]oonniioonn 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's not unreasonable at all. However, it is for the most part unrealistic.

    [–]svenus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly. How many times will we see the PR person doing the AMA now? But instead of any Reddit admins/mods getting the blame for an AMA done badly, some PR person getting the blame will be on someone else's payroll. A different chain of responsibility.

    [–]sauceDinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Maybe not entirely. They gave solid examples of people who have stuck around like Snoop and Arnold so I don't see why they couldn't encourage more to do so.

    [–]oonniioonn 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Because these people are just that: people. For the most part they don't give a shit about reddit, but some do. Snoop and Arnold and Wil and whoever else well-known on reddit are on it because they like it, just like you and me are. However Britney and Taylor and my sisters could all care less.

    It's unrealistic to think you can 'convert' any random person to use reddit, outside of a specific moment like an AMA.

    [–]sauceDinho 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're most likely right, but I can't fault them for wanting to try and see if they can get celebrity users to feel more comfortable by not using someone like Victoria to hold their hand while using website. By using someone like Victoria to help during an AMA might just make the website seem inaccessible when really it's not that hard to manage.

    Just tell the AMA'er to wait 30minutes to an hour after posting to start answering questions and I don't see how they couldn't figure it out.

    [–]stationhollow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Getting the 'celebrities' doing it themselves sounds dodgy to me. It seems like it will be just another PR person running a reddit account on top of the current suite of social media accounts they use as part of their job. At least with Victoria we could be certain that it was the person themselves doing it.

    [–]veggiter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My initial thought as well, though there could be preexisting things that place the admins between outsiders and /r/IAmA: email addresses, other contact information, verification methods, etc.

    [–]ZeroHex 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Didn't they originally remark that they had "ëliminated the position" that Victoria held of talent outreach? Even if they can't comment on Victoria specifically they should certainly be able to discuss the position in abstract - and why they're putting someone new in precisely that job after supposedly eliminating it.

    Either way you point out a really good point - they can't just slot someone into Victoria's old position since the mods of AMA have laid down new ground rules for coordinating AMA discussions.

    [–]stationhollow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eliminating a position and then hiring someone in a new 'unrelated' position with very similar responsibilities is a common practice in the business world.

    [–]Elrond_the_Ent 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    She's just trying to put this all to rest because she doesn't need any more exposure for the extortionist lawsuit she lost or the ponzi scheme her husband ran.

    [–]1337BaldEagle -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God I hate the Admins...

    [–]InpsectahDeck -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    as if the admins couldnt remove any of the iama mods if they wanted to? jesus christ redditors are laughable

    [–]JoeyBagsODonuts -5ポイント-4ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Regardless.. wouldn't it be damn awesome to have Barack Obama, or Christian Bale or anyone more well known, redditing alongside us?

    [–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Is the reason they are not doing that because they don't know how?

    [–]Suppafly 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders) rather than one off occurrences.

    Those people are involved because they want to be, not because of anything admins have or can do. By and large, celebrities don't want that kind of involvement, a talent relations team isn't going to change that.

    [–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, that's what I was trying to point out.

    Tbh, /u/kn0thing's post comes off a little weird. Sounds like they're trying to find ways to lure celebrities to the site. Will they start paying them? Will they barter with them? What about remarkable people who aren't celebrities? Will reddit help them become redditors? And why is there this dichotomy between "interesting people" and us, "the reddit audience?

    Having celebrities use reddit as a quick stop on their publicity tours is certainly something people have criticized, yet what's posted here has a weird vibe. It's less democratizing and more stratifying.

    [–]justawildguess 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It might be for fear of pissing off a community that just generated 150,000 signatures to condemn their appointed CEO without waiting for the explanation that this post is about, or who helped destroy Rampart's release because of Woody Harrelson had some misunderstandings about the platform. It's risky to be open in front of a mob. It works for folks who would actually be friends with Reddit regardless, but most people in power or fame have other things to do and too much Reddit has every chance of being bad for them.

    [–]TheGhostofWoodyAllen 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Right, so what about what /u/kn0thing's plan addresses that? It doesn't really, unless having a 24/7 liaison to smooth out their experience will somehow encourage them to use the site more.

    [–]justawildguess 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, maybe I misunderstood your point the first time.

    [–]codeverity -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We really have no idea what they had planned, though. I mean, having celebs use Reddit more often makes perfect sense if you think about it, if your site becomes 'that place where Celeb ____' posts then more people are going to use it. I can see both sides and don't think there's a way to know for sure.