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[–]stagecraftman 1819ポイント1820ポイント1821ポイント 21時間 前 (790子コメント)
Why was Victoria fired?
[–]kn0thing[A] 760ポイント761ポイント762ポイント 21時間 前* (789子コメント)
We don’t talk about individual employees out of respect for their privacy.
With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience so that we can focus on helping remarkable people become redditors, not just stop by on a press tour.
The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders {EDIT: or Captain Kirk}) rather than one off occurrences. Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community (Arnold does this remarkably well).
We're still introducing and sourcing talent for AMAs, just now giving the moderators the autonomy to conduct them themselves.
In the interim, our Director of Outreach, Ashley, and Creative Projects Manager, Michael, have been filling this role (in addition to their other work), but we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time to take over.
edit: Also, I communicated this terribly. I'm sorry for that.
[–]ichbineindonut 724ポイント725ポイント726ポイント 21時間 前* (49子コメント)
It seems that ensuring they have a successful AMA would have been a GREAT way to give them a good taste of reddit as a community.
We don't care about weekly shows. Get rid of the "This week on reddit" team. Don't worry about emailing us shit. Don't Worry about all that peripheral bullshit.
Find ways to make reddit itself better. Don't worry about creating users out of celebrities. Stop giving a shit if reddit has all the celebrity popular people. The beauty of reddit is that it is content-centric. It's a vantage point for the internet; it doesn't need to be a place where everything happens, just a place from which we can observe the internet happening.
Before you guys decide "Hey, lets get a team together and help create permanent users out of celebrities", why not start a thread where you can /r/askreddit what the userbase thinks. Why not ask "Hey, what does reddit want? What do you guys think about us starting a team to help create permanent users out of celebrities?"
You have an amazing group of talent on reddit. We are very diverse, and somewhere, we have an expert in every field imaginable.
Consider yourselves more as custodians of reddit than administrators. Take care of it, and do what is right for it.
[–]AirPhforce 153ポイント154ポイント155ポイント 20時間 前* (19子コメント)
My favorite thing that ever happened on AskReddit was when Gabe Newell went to answer questions and some shitstain deleted every post and told him he wasn't on the schedule.
Like, who fucking cares? Is there some fucking reason someone needs to be on a schedule to take internet questions?
[–]dorkrock2 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 18時間 前 (4子コメント)
I don't remember that but if that's how it played out it pisses me the fuck off. Big shot power trippers are the bane of reddit no matter if they're mods or admins.
[–]AirPhforce 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 18時間 前 (3子コメント)
They nuked it then had to make an apology thread.
Gabe responded to the nuking announcement with a sign/confirmation picture, and was told to get on the schedule before making another thread.
[–]fco83 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah.. as much as the moderators have a gripe, many of the moderators get overly power-happy and start taking too much control over their subs, disregarding the community. While thats all fine and good for many of the smaller more focused subs, it doesnt work as well for more broad catch-all subs (the type that tend to be on the default list) when a moderator decides they just dont like a particular type of content.
[–]thebangoe 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 18時間 前 (5子コメント)
Power trip. Plain and simple, some guy got to feel important for a night by telling Gaben off
[–]theseleadsalts 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 16時間 前 (3子コメント)
Yep. I remember when AMAs were totally random, and it worked fine. Nobody cried, and everyone had a good time.
[–]thebangoe 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 16時間 前 (2子コメント)
IMO it was 10 times better back then. You had some pretty funny AMAs and of course a minor celebrity or two would stop by but now, it's just a joke. I unsubbed about 3 years ago.
[–]allthefoxes 61ポイント62ポイント63ポイント 21時間 前 (10子コメント)
I can't agree with this more.
I wish reddit would stop going after all this extra stuff and just make this site as amazing as can be
[–]JeepChick 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 19時間 前 (4子コメント)
I wish reddit would stop going after all this extra stuff and just make this site as amazing as can be...
As a redditor of almost 8 years I just wish they'd just leave it the hell alone. It used to be amazing, and it can be again.
now get off my lawn
[–]Absinthe99 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 15時間 前 (1子コメント)
Don't worry about creating users out of celebrities.
SO SAY WE ALL.
If a celebrity WANTS to openly be a redditor (/u/wil) then great... if they want to be an incognito redditor (/u/wesleycrushersux) then let them.
If they want nothing at all to do with being a "redditor" -- who knows maybe they can't type, maybe they can't even read -- and their only involvement is agreeing to do an AMA (understanding what it actually IS, and that it's not just a "promote my latest project"), then that's fine too.
[–]AwkwardBurritoChick 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
This reflects how I feel as we are a community. I know reddit is also a business, but the appeal about reddit to me has always been that it has a grassroots feeling to it. I'd hate to see reddit too commercialized. I also oppose any AMA's done by representatives of politicians, celebrities. Don't "Rampart" the AMA!
[–]ichbineindonut 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Grassroots is the perfect word for this. Thanks, and I agree about the representatives part.
[–]Youdontuderstandme 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 16時間 前 (0子コメント)
Nah - that makes too much sense.
LoL - seriously this is EXACTLY what Reddit admin should do.
[–]PoorPolonius 1169ポイント1170ポイント1171ポイント 21時間 前 (7子コメント)
we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time to take over.
I hear Victoria's looking for a job.
[–]sparkyjay23 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 18時間 前 (1子コメント)
I'll bet that job never gets posted openly.
[–]ChaosScore 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 12時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'll bet they already have someone in the office (coughkn0thingcough) who has their eye on it.
[–]rescuemytoaster 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 12時間 前 (1子コメント)
Someone who has already interacted with loads of celebrities? Naw, how about we hire someone who sweeps floors in a butcher shop just to keep the theme of hiring unqualified jackasses to run this place.
[–]jubbergun 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
Because the jackass sweeping up at the butcher shop is overqualified, seeing as how they're already in a position where they're actually accomplishing something?
[–]TheCid 1963ポイント1964ポイント1965ポイント 21時間 前 (244子コメント)
With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience
I like how you phrase this like it was your decision and not that of the IAMA mods.
[–]animalprofessor 817ポイント818ポイント819ポイント 21時間 前 (47子コメント)
Yeah pretty clever, considering they already announced that they would do AMAs with no more admin involvement.
[–]coredumperror 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 21時間 前 (10子コメント)
Well, it is Reddit's decision on who they decide to employ and how they decide to employ than. If they want to fire the most important person involved in the process of setting up the biggest media draw to their site, that's their prerogative.
It's monumentally idiotic, and made astronomically worse by the way they went about it. But it's entirely within their rights to do it without input from the mods.
[–]TheFatJesus 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 20時間 前 (4子コメント)
What was meant by that comment is that the IAMA mods made it clear that they would not be working with admins to set up AMAs anymore because they couldn't trust them. But Alexis is making it sound like it was their decision not to be go betweens.
[–]TheGuyYouKnowThatGuy 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, it was basically the admin equivalent of saying, "You can't fire me from AMA's, because "I QUIT!"
[–]10_KG_VALUE_PACK 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Just now giving the moderators the autonomy to conduct them themselves
L M A O
[–]supmayte 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
that's clearly PR they are planning to tell the news.
[–]Aikidi 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
I mean, since they're admins, they could totally just say "hey IAmA is too valuable for you to mess with, we're taking moderation control over of this sub" and be done with it.
So it is their decision.
[–]squintychino 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
"...because we had no choice, so now we have to spin it like it was our choice"
[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 21時間 前 (1子コメント)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the IAMA mods using Victoria (an admin) as their liason with high profile people. Victoria was fired, and the mods were mad about that because it interrupted thier normal way of functioning. So to me, it looks like this change is entirely a result of reddit administrative action.
[–]not_charles_grodin 37ポイント38ポイント39ポイント 20時間 前 (8子コメント)
Almost all celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people have a line of defense to make sure their people don't say something stupid ("popcorn tastes good," for instance) and damage their brand. Which is why they go through one sided events like talkshows or through a concise and vague medium like Twitter. A unfiltered ongoing conversation done in real time with off the cuff responses is the absolute last thing that most of them want. That's why most only come here when they have a project. They can pick and choose the questions, choose to stay on topic, or wander off and answer questions about things like duck sizes.
But you are a public person and you know all that. Which makes me wonder how loose the new system will be. When Arnold or Verne Troyer post, it's usually a picture and it isn't very often. Are you expecting more people of interest to simply post more occasionally or is this turning into what everyone fears it is and is going to become nothing more than a bunch of PR people occasionally popping in to post pre-written jokes and witty comments on behalf of their clients?
[–]noslodecoy 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 19時間 前 (5子コメント)
Mark my words. They will provide new tools for Celebrities and brands (and their team of PR people) to "better interact with Reddit". Right now it's risky to join a community they feel they have no control over. Currently, the community of Reddit has demanded that Celebrities are genuine and not a PR spokes-hole. That is wildly inconvenient and Reddit the business must know this.
Image tools put in place so that a brand can be accessed by multiple accounts with controlled access. Tools that would allow brands to moderate their own posts. Comments keep distracting from the movie they came here to promote, remove them. That alone would make Reddit immediately brand friendly. It's even easy to explain away. "We had to give people these tools due to rampant harassment." I guarantee that these tools would appeal to the PR representatives of celebrities and business alike and would guarantee immediate use. The problem is you'd loose any and all sincerity. Also, I believe Digg 4 tried something like that.
Facebook and Twitter have tools for brands, so they must be good. This also has the fortunate benefit of further separating Reddit the business from Reddit the community. Reddit will have less involvement over AMAs. No middleman like Victoria who can be blamed by the AMA guest if things go horribly wrong. This will further protect Reddit from advertiser complaints and failed AMAs by putting them completely in control. The PR teams can't blame Reddit if there is no representative from Reddit to blame.
Tools will be released. They will first be released as tools for moderators. The tools they had specifically asked for (or at least can somehow be explained as such). Then they will silently be released to brands. Coke and Disney will have direct analytics of their posts and user engagement.
Reddit is looking to better monetize their user base. They have to. The obvious path is to make the site more appealing to advertisers. Creating brand engagement is a great business opportunity.
Someone please tell me I'm wrong.
[–]not_charles_grodin 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 18時間 前 (2子コメント)
I'm afraid you're not. Which is why I, /u/not_charles_grodin, hereby offer myself and my almost 100K worth of circlejerky karma as a paid consultant to what now seems to be the inevitable onslaught of PR people representing important people. For a nominal fee I can help you tailor you message to this specific audience until which time they've all left for alternative places due to the lack of authenticity. Paypal accepted.
[–]halfar 473ポイント474ポイント475ポイント 21時間 前* (43子コメント)
We're twitter now?
Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but senpai, why couldn't Victoria be the Talent Relations fellow?
She's more popular around here than blowjobs and a sundae.
[–]PLxFTW 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 21時間 前 (8子コメント)
That makes the most sense, just have Victoria be Talent Relations.
[–]BillNyesEyeGuy 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 20時間 前 (7子コメント)
Maybe there's a pay cut? Weren't they also trying to get everyone to SF? Maybe Victoria was unable/unwilling to make the move. We don't know, and probably never will, but reddit has been pretty quick to judge based on speculation.
[–]drmrsanta 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
But that's bullshit. Weren' t there AMAs that were scheduled and had to be cancelled because she couldn't help? If she couldn't move, or didn't want a pay cut, they could work with her to find a replacement, get them trained in and ready to take over, and then let her go.
[–]jambox888 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 16時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I agree it looked like she got fired on a whim. I don't know how it went down, of course, but if I have a team of people and I have to phase out a role, but that someone's put in a real good shift for me so far, then I sure as hell wouldn't tell her to clear her desk that day. Either find something else for them or give them decent notice at least.
[–]cold_iron_76 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 19時間 前 (1子コメント)
Which is a pretty stupid fucking policy. Yeah, because SF, not New York is the fucking hotbed of celebrities willing to do AMAs. One fucking employee and they couldn't let her work out of New York? Jesus, that is the one thing I don't get, what company in their right mind makes a call like that. No physical representation in NYC? Lmao.
[–]dangerdark 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 20時間 前* (5子コメント)
You should be more confused about how he said Reddit is stepping back from handling AMAs then in the exact same post he says that there is a new team handling them as well as hiring another person who sounds like they would basically fill Victoria's old position.
It makes no sense.
[–]Half_The_Battle 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but why couldn't Victoria be the Talent Relations fellow?
They might have offered it to her and she didn't want it. She might have been opposed to the way her job was being forced to change. She might have been stealing things from the office. It is likely we will never know why she was fired, so it makes little sense to keep bringing it up. She is the only one who can tell us.
[–]AnOnlineHandle 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
but why couldn't Victoria be the Talent Relations fellow?
Because she was fired for reasons we don't know of?
[–]zebrake2010 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 16時間 前 (2子コメント)
/u/chooter is even more popular than Nutella.
[–]TowerOfGoats 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 12時間 前 (1子コメント)
I'm allergic to Nutella ;_;
[–]AdamColligan 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
"helping"..."integrating"..."be a resource"..."introducing"..."sourcing"...
Should any of these words be taken to mean "transacting monetarily with" or "transacting monetarily with in an indirect way that won't necessarily be apparent to users or moderators"?
[–]vivvav 32ポイント33ポイント34ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
So you're... trying to get celebrities to become regular users?
How?
That doesn't make any sense. You can't force rich, famous, and busy people to use your product. What are you going to do? Start launching commercials for Reddit starring Arnold? "Hello, I am Arnold Schwarzenegger, and when I am down in the dumps I like to go on /r/birdswitharms for inspiration for my muscles!" I don't see it.
Users don't expect celebrity AMAs to turn into a regular presence. Yeah, it's a one-off thing, and we understand that and are ok with that. It's an event, and that's the nature of an event. These people have their PR teams and social media accounts and all that. They don't need to be posting comments in /r/reactiongifs or whatever.
If the celebs choose to become active users on their own, that's cool, but how are you supposed to encourage them to do that, and how does getting rid of Victoria accomplish it? It just doesn't add up. I get you'd like to be able to say to the public "Reddit isn't just that site you hear about in those news articles about pedophilia and leaked celebrity nudes twice a year, it's also a place where your favorite big-name creatives freely talk to people", but that's not really what the site is about.
I'm saying this as a long-time user of the site, a moderator of a decently-sized subreddit (we just broke 150K subscribers at /r/comicbooks), and somebody who has in a volunteer position represented the site at a public event and interacted directly with people holding AMAs. And I don't say that like I carry some kind of clout or expect a response from some faux heightened sense of importance, I say this to give you my perspective: These people come to do a publicity event, and then they leave. Once in a while you get a disaster like Woody Harrelson's AMA, but for the most part people seem to enjoy this stuff, and the celebs know what they're getting into. It kind of sounds like you're trying to indoctrinate these guests into something, which isn't cool, and could possibly drive people away from the idea of holding AMAs with Reddit.
The way I see it, we moderators and you admins aren't so different. Oh sure, there's a world of difference between you, Ellen Pao (not YOU you, but I'm using Ellen as an example to represent the admins in general because I don't know who the rest of you are), Business Graduate from Harvard and new CEO of one of the Internet's top 50 websites and me, Max Dweck, almost-screenwriting graduate and slacker who is one of a few people who oversees a community of 150K subscribers (which we know doesn't mean 150K people actively using the site all the time). But we're both in a position of power in our respective communities to the site. More importantly, we're both in a service position to the users of our communities.
I get that at the business level there are vast differences to the stuff we mods do, and for what it's worth, I don't much care about any of this. There's no money involved for us mods, we're just trying to create a cool place for people to talk about comic books. We run /r/comicbooks in a way that keeps the sub independent of most of the drama that goes on around the rest of Reddit, and try to make that subreddit in itself the best community we can. But that's what all the mods of the big subreddits do too. The folks at /r/funny try to make a fun place for people to check out what's funny. /r/askreddit tries to be a good place for discussion. And the mods at /r/IAmA try to create a place where people can learn fascinating things about other people, including their favorite celebrities, and you threw a huge monkey wrench into that operation.
I've bought Reddit Gold. I've had Reddit Gold bought for me. So have thousands of other users. Reddit the website's userbase is a source of revenue for Reddit the company, not just through the direct money we put into keeping the website's servers up, but through generating content that attracts both users and advertisers to the website. You owe it to really listen to the community. I don't think this fiasco's going to scare away Reddit's userbase, or the next one, or the one after that. I don't know what it'd take. And I don't think the corporatization of the site is all bad. Even though I'm obese, I don't give a shit about /r/fatpeoplehate, but if getting rid of it means getting rid of subreddits that celebrate blatant racism and other forms of hate, I'm all for it, because getting massive quantities of stupid angry assholes together in an echo chamber can only lead to more problems for humanity down the line. But you owe it to your users to really listen to them.
Would it be cool to post a joke on /r/funny, have somebody compliment you, and know that the compliment came from Steven Spielberg? Yeah. Is it what the website's users are crying out for? No. In a lot of way's Victoria was just as much a face of the company that you are, and fair or not, it looks like people liked her a hell of a lot more than they like you. Me, I don't have an opinion. And again, I'm not the one with the business degree, so I don't know what the legality of it is, but I don't see what there is to be gained by withholding the reasons for firing Victoria. It's not like you got rid of some random IT guy, you got rid of a person the community came to admire, and that's problematic.
I don't know if the apology is genuine. But whether it is or isn't, you owe it to serve the Reddit community. And that means listening to the wants of the people who made the website into something big enough to be worth being a CEO of.
So yeah. That's my ramble. I'm going to go back in my comic book microcosm and ignore the yelling and screaming of the masses of the big subreddits I mostly ignore anyway. I'm probably missing out on some prime jokes about Doctor Doom right now.
[–]kentrel 155ポイント156ポイント157ポイント 21時間 前 (29子コメント)
So she's free to tell people why she was fired?
[–]coopdude 206ポイント207ポイント208ポイント 21時間 前* (17子コメント)
Bad mouthing a prior employer is a great way to become un-hireable unfortunately. Companies think if you say negative things, that even if their company does not deserve it, you might say less than flattering things if you work for them and leave at a prior later point.
It's also a potential liability issue from both ends, which is why if you (as a company) call a prior employer of a candidate, some won't say anything negative and will just verify dates of employment with no comment.
EDIT: fixed typo
[–]Mapleyy 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 21時間 前 (9子コメント)
Yep, exhibit A: former admin does an AMA, lies about why they were fired, gets smacked down by then-Reddit CEO Yishan Wong (/u/yishan) himself.
[–]donnowheretogo 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
fucking of course she is, but she likely won't because that's insanely unprofessional.
[–]coredumperror 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Nope, the professional curtesy being shown to Victoria by reddit is inherently reciprocal. If she speaks out, reddit has no reason to hold back anything they might have to say to her future prospective employers.
[–]animeguru 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 21時間 前* (1子コメント)
Totally reasonable.
Okay, makes sense.
Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community (Arnold does this remarkably well).
Reasonable, except that it isn't realistic for every situation. Still, I can see where you're trying to go.
Here's where you run off the rails... you fired the individual responsible for managing relations of interesting people doing AMAs on reddit but are looking for someone to manage relations of interesting people on reddit.
Given that it would be far less resource intensive to re-train an existing employee already doing 80% of the job – an employee who is the most visible to the majority of redditors – it seems to lend a lot more credence to the rumored reasons behind her sudden departure..
/u/chooter already knows the quirks of reddit. She knows what redditors are looking for, what topics to avoid, what ridiculous memes we obsess over... this kind of knowledge can only be gained by actively participating on reddit for months, if not years. Some noob coming in fresh with their Customer Relations Association Pedigree just isn't going to get it, nor hit the ground running... and they run the risk of further alienating the user base. Of course outsiders can become insiders, but isn't it a lot easier to promote an insider?
[–]portugalthephilosoph 549ポイント550ポイント551ポイント 21時間 前* (45子コメント)
Lol, implying Bernie Sanders is a consistent poster like Arnold and Snoop...
He's only EVER posted in his own AMA's, and in an attention-grabbing post on his own subreddit that he probably didn't really have anything to do with.
For the curious, /u/bernie-sanders
You're just trying to hit the hot buzz-names that redditors love, and that's bullshit man. I have a lot of respect for you, but lately you just seem more like a PR machine (and not even a good one at that), and less like the guy we all know and love.
Edit: Apparently there's also a /u/SenSanders, which is also just AMAs and self-promotion. Not what I call participation.
[–]ScottFromScotland 71ポイント72ポイント73ポイント 21時間 前* (21子コメント)
Seriously, replace Sanders with William Shatner and it would make sense.
Edit: Or Verne Troyer, his reddit posts are always great.
[–]portugalthephilosoph 60ポイント61ポイント62ポイント 21時間 前 (15子コメント)
Or Wil Wheaton, or John Green, or any of the tons of other celebrities that actually frequent reddit...
[–]Houndie 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 21時間 前 (7子コメント)
Considering there was a bit of an internet meltdown between /r/boardgames and /u/wil two weeks ago, he might not have been the best choice, but I agree with the general sentiment.
[–]portugalthephilosoph 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 21時間 前 (6子コメント)
Ha! link?
EDIT: Oh, wait, was that the thing where he wasn't following board game rules and tried to blame his producer or something?
[–]Houndie 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 21時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yeah that's the one I was talking about. Here's subreddit drama on the case
[–]SoupOfTomato 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
Eh, that seems a little bit biased against the "nerds who would complain about rules" (or at least the comments do) when in reality a very small minority of people were actually angry about the rules.
Wil was politely made aware of them in most of the /r/boardgames threads on his episodes. Of course, Wil probably saw more of the truly vile stuff that could be thrown at him than the average person did. The /r/boardgames moderators are very good at policing vitriolic comments like that, but Wil likely paid extra attention (and of course, YouTube comments).
The real problem was with him throwing his producer under the bus so violently in his first apology blog post. Then he went on Twitter and talked about being yelled at by a "bunch of nerds that don't even understand production"* and "everyone on somethingawful and /r/boardgames hates me now!" Then he made a second blog post which was essentially, "I am sorry I apologized poorly. But that producer still sucked and I stand by what I said." which understandably let the anger continue.
*All Wil quotes paraphrased.
TL;DR: It's not about rules mistakes! It's about ethic in board games journalism! ;)
[–]Houndie 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thank you for summarizing. I only linked subreddit drama because I was too lazy to summarize and find source links myself :-)
[–]cgimusic 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (2子コメント)
Oh wow. I really like Wil, but him publicly trashing the producer is kind of a dick move (I guess he forgot his own rule).
[–]davidsredditaccount 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Wil's rule isn't for other people, it's for him. Every morning he stands in front of a mirror and goes "OK Wil, we screwed up yesterday but it's a new day. Don't be a dick. Just go out there and don't be a dick.", and every night he stands in front of that same mirror and weeps, because the weight of Wheaton's Law is crushing.
He should just remember what people keep telling him.
"Shut Up Wesley"
Seriously though, he is kind of a sanctimonious dick. I think it's because he takes everything personally.
[–]lWarChicken 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 21時間 前 (1子コメント)
When I checked out /u/wil wheaton's user page I was amazed he's triple the redditor I am. Damn. He's like a fucking power user, check them trophies.
[–]veggiter 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
9 year club. Damn.
[–]hrbuchanan 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (1子コメント)
Freaking Verne Troyer
[–]veggiter 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Bo Burnham! and whatever his usernames are.
[–]handonbroward 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
It seriously looks like he was just trying to appeal to as many people as possible (aka the other 95% of people who never participate).
And they keep acting as though something was wrong with /r/IAMA and prudent, visible, demonstrative action was needed. What the hell was wrong?! Nothing at all. Every admin response seems extremely insincere, damage control at best.
I don't give a shit what business you work for, when something like this happens you don't wait 4 goddamn days to provide a statement to your stakeholders. You respond as soon as possible, doesn't matter if everyone doesn't sleep for 2 days. Only goes to show we are no longer the stakeholders. Media outlets and advertisers now are, as demonstrated by them receiving responses first.
Too many young people here do not have enough professional experience to understand stakeholder importance. Notice I said stakeholder, NOT, not shareholder. This apology is a means of tiding things over to please those interested in monetization and buy time to slowly, subtley shift things even further in the direction they are going.
[–]Eternally65 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 21時間 前 (1子コメント)
Um, that's not actually the case. /u/SenSanders posted quite a bit on /r/politics and /r/Vermont. But he was forced to create a new username (bernie-sanders) when he announced his Presidential run. Some strange campaign laws about mixing the Senator role with the Presidential candidate role.
Check out /u/SenSanders.
[–]Houndie 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 21時間 前 (8子コメント)
Nope!
/u/bernie-sanders is his new user name that he adopted for his presidential run.
His previous account (with a lot more content posted) is at /u/SenSanders
[–]portugalthephilosoph 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 21時間 前 (7子コメント)
Jeez, even that one is only AMA's and self-promotion.
[–]nonfish 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 21時間 前 (2子コメント)
He's a politician. If he has time to reddit for leisure (doubt it), he probably uses an alt, so that someone can't throw his offhand comment about a cat on /r/aww not being cute enough against him in a debate.
[–]Threewalldream 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
What about the little guys? Like Verne?
[–]doubleplusepic 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
So basically you're trying to be Twitter. Not gonna mesh with this site's dynamic, unless you start throwing weight into front page algorithms that favor celebrities' posts. Then we've become basically an US Weekly version of Twitter.
[–]GnarlinBrando 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
You are still communicating terribly.
This not only should have been communicated a long time ago, but a down thread comment response is nowhere near public enough. Beyond that the community was never consulted on this decision, never informed of it before it was apparently implimented. Not a single one of your comments has invited/encouraged feed back and participation (what makes this place great).
To me, what this says, is that reddit now values celebrities more than it's userbase; that it is becoming just another outlet for mass media. The people you list are great examples of memebers of the community, they participated on their own, in the own terms, and learned how to use the site like everyone else. What you have described here does not sound like promoting those who are members of the community, it sounds like inauthentic marketing to a mass market. It sounds like something that will degrade and disrespect the integrity of the community buy causing people users to question who is a member and who is "talent."
Would you care to provide a job description of "Talent Relations" and what your goals are in undertaking such a project?
[–]CreamyKnougat 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
/u/kn0thing: I think part of your credibility problem (and this is just a comment as the common man) is that if I had an employee who's doing such a STELLAR job as Victoria was doing, I'd make sure I'd phase her in to your new job requirements, not just simply fire her and let us guess why that was.
In other words, if your employees, who are doing such a great job by creating a wonderful community, are treated like SHIT, what does that say about how you will treat THOUSANDS of volunteers who do this out of love?
[–]WuTangTribe 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
We're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience so that we can focus on helping remarkable people become redditors.
Okay.
The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters
Wait what?
Was that not the previous goal? It wasn't going to happen over night. Didn't Victoria inadvertently set this trend in motion by doing her job?
we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time to take over
But you just fired . . . .
ಠ_ಠ
[–]Raaaaaaaaaandy 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
??? victoria being "in-between" the celebrity ama's are what made them readable. half of them don't even know what reddit is, half of them are doing to interview over the phone. victoria captured their voices perfectly and easily made the most out of their hour or so snippet of time. The majority of celebs don't give a shit about being "integrated" into the site. They give an interview and they move on... what a confusing direction you're trying to go in.
[–]JustAPaddy 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 21時間 前 (5子コメント)
A lot of them are probably already part of the reddit community. We just don't know because they choose to remain anonymous. Why do you guys care so much about celebrities, politicians etc. using the site openly?
[–]Suppafly 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 21時間 前 (3子コメント)
Why do you guys care so much about celebrities, politicians etc. using the site openly?
Seriously, that's not something that's ever going to happen. Aside from the few celebrities that enjoy the public exposure, most don't like that and go to extremes to avoid it.
[–]JustAPaddy 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm hoping I can get an answer to that but I don't think the popcorn king really has one. But I guess we'll just wait and see.
[–]brownboy13 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
Forget celebrities. Do you think politicians could use this site without being yelled at by the other side nigh constantly?
[–]Tim-Sanchez 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 21時間 前 (4子コメント)
we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time
Is there a reason Victoria wouldn't be able to fill this role? Could she apply for the role? It seems like the perfect situation to change her role rather than outright fire her, perhaps she rejected the change?
[–]forgottenCode 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (2子コメント)
Living in SF is most likely a requirement for this position. Victoria is in NYC.
[–]StupidStudentVeteran 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
resisting the urge to tell you to, "fuck off".... fuck off dude. Failed. Sorry.
[–]thedawgboy 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 20時間 前 (3子コメント)
Here is the problem with that theory.
It seems that perhaps you should have an employee that already has these ties to head up such projects. Perhaps someone that has been the go between up until this point. The person that made sure it was the actual VIP and not managers and agents with limited access to the information needed to answer the questions asked. I mean, before we had someone in that place, there were a lot of agents posing as the VIP's and historically that has gone horribly for all parties involved.
Problem number two would be the large amount of VIPs that will never do what you want them to do. A couple of community favorites would include Bill Murray and Morgan Freeman. Neither are tech savvy, nor do they wish to be. Bill Murray does not even have an agent. He just has an answering machine.
It has been rumored that Victoria Taylor gave push back to your idea for just these reasons, and that is why she was fired. You came up with an idea that is decent on the surface, but presents problems that only someone like Victoria had the experience within your company to address, but instead of listening, you fired her.
So, if you can answer why we should be happy with Murray, and Freeman, and others permanently being off of reddit, I am sure many others would like to hear that.
[–]DataLoreThrowaway 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間 前 (2子コメント)
agents
This. What's to prevent some VIP's agent from posting on behalf of them, unlike when Victoria was their liaison?
[–]thedawgboy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間 前 (1子コメント)
Exactly my point.
[–]DataLoreThrowaway 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
/u/kn0thing, care to respond? How will this verification happen? The entire advantage of AMAs was that we had a certain guarantee that these VIPs were actually the ones answering and not the agents.
So, great, you can have the illusion of VIPs interacting directly with reddit in other capacities than AMAs, but that's a bit like interacting with Mickey Mouse at Disney. It's just a guy in a famous person's costume.
[–]sillymod 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you are encouraging celebrities to have their own accounts, will Reddit still ensure that it is that celebrity behind the keyboard when doing AMAs?
[–]ATXBeermaker 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
So, you guys are making it more likely that celebrities, etc., will simply have their PR people running AMAs rather than the actual person of interest? That seems like a winning idea. /s
[–]braunheiser 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
This girl Victoria Taylor might be a good fit for the Talent Relations position
[–]ploik2205 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 21時間 前 (3子コメント)
It was the mods of /Iama that decided to work alone,not the reddit admins ?!
[–]lula2488 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 21時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yes
[–]DO_NOT_TIP_ME 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
Source
The admins have refused to provide essential information about arranging and scheduling AMAs with their new 'team.' This does not bode well for future communication between us, and we cannot be sure that everything is being arranged honestly and in accordance with our rules. The information we have requested is essential to ensure that money is not changing hands at any point in the procedure which is necessary for /r/IAmA to remain equal and egalitarian. As a result, we will no longer be working with the admins to put together AMAs. Anyone seeking to schedule an AMA can simply message the moderators or email us at AMAVerify@gmail.com, and we'd be happy to assist and help prepare them for the AMA in any way.
[–]ploik2205 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Damn I really wanna tip you
[–]roflbbq 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Does this mean that you disapprove of PR reps helping out whoever is doing the AMA such as what happened in the infamous Morgan Freeman AMA? It seems to me that getting rid of that middle man that Victoria was occupying just encourages scenarios like Morgan's AMA, because lets be honest, most celebrities don't frequent this site, and don't know how to use it. And secondly, many people just arn't technologically savy with the internet
[–]Z0di 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
How about you focus on the people who already use the site, instead of famous people who don't use the site?
Reddit isn't facebook.
[–]Bogus_Sushi 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, famous people on Reddit can be a detriment because they get so much attention. Too many bestof posts are links to comments from Arnold Schwarzenegger. If anyone famous posts a barely interesting comment, it gets upvoted and bestof'd.
[–]Crossfiyah 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why not just give Victoria that job?
What's the job description and how does she not qualify for it?
[–]qverb 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience
If I recall correctly, the Woody Harrelson AMA that was a disaster didn't involve Victoria or any other assistant in any way (someone correct me if I am wrong), I am pretty sure he won't be back as a redditor. That AMA could have been saved with some intervention - does this seem like the way to go?
[–]Freddit- 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Assuming you're not lying (you are), phasing out Reddit as a middle man during AMAs is a good thing.
But how do you justify firing the person that handles that if you're plan is to phase them out? Considering Victoria was willing to do the remained schedule AMAs for free after just losing her job, I find it hard to believe that she maybe wasn't willing to participate in the transition that would leave her without a job.
Which means you fired her for different unrelated reasons, or you fired her for no reason other than to eliminate her position. And if that's the case, you are real royal pieces of shit with no professionalism.
[–]RunDNA 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Couldn't you have at least made a nice blog post thanking Victoria for all her work on reddit and wishing her the best for the future, along with some highlights of the best AMAs she had done?
You could also have used the blog post to announce ahead of time the changes that would be taking place with the AMAs, so everyone would have a heads-up about what was going on, instead of the last minute chaos that happened.
Victoria was very well-liked and very well-known by redditors, and we feel she was treated disdainfully.
[–]Hickoray 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Isn't Snoop a consistent user because he is an investor?
[–]Azr79 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
This must be the most corporate response comment I've ever seen on reddit
[–]cautiously_exuberant 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 21時間 前* (1子コメント)
If it is truely out of respect for their privacy, then why make the fired individuals sign NDA's? both kickme444 and chooter have made it seem as if they are not able/allowed to talk about their firing.
[–]keddren 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Does that include not talking to the employee? Because she didn't seem to know why you let her go, either.
[–]PsychMarketing 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
What about Verne Troyer (/u/vernetroyer) ?? Don't forget him! I see him all the time on reddit!
[–]sophrosynos 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
An identifiable, relatable, and reliable intermediary (like Victoria) was part of what made Reddit what it is. Whoever conducts AMAs shouldn't be totally anonymous or ignored.
[–]ProbsAndMayhem 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Do you honestly think a large percentage of "interesting people" are going to post content here consistently?
This isn't a form of social media where we follow individuals to see their activities like Instagram or Twitter... Even though I'm assuming this wasn't your focus until now, you can only name a select few famous/interesting people who saw enough PR value to continue posting here.
What's in it for them to continue posting here after their AMA is done? The AMA is the best chance for these people to get their content seen on a consistent basis and, if somehow a large number of interesting people decide to start posting regularly, won't that just dilute the pool?
[–]JacKaL_37 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is an interesting business approach, to try to get more notable people participating in your platform in an organic way.
It's also horseshit. Reddit is one site among thousands. Celebrities do not give a shit about you, and why should they? They have plenty of stuff to do, and sometimes we're lucky to even get them on here in the first place. Just because Snoop voluntarily hangs out here doesn't mean you're going to successfully integrate hollywood.
Eliminating an in-between that the community trusts is putting a bullet through your own chest. Even if she was itching to leave the job, this change is completely delusional.
[–]karma_the_llama 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders)
You forgot probably the most prolific: /u/Wil Wheaton.
[–]kcell 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
If that's the case then you should also issue a statement apologizing to Victoria and the way the termination was handled. I get that you want to move the site/admins in a way that effectively eliminates her position but the handling of it smacked of amateur-hour. You should have wound things down and phased it out slowly. Instead, you were scrambling to assist because she had critical info in her reddit inbox.
[–]Kittae 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
I feel like this approach is going to alienate non-computer savvy celebrities that we the community would still like to hear from. They needed that middle-man not as a way to separate them from the community, but because they would not normally be redditors.
That was what Victoria was doing from my understanding, and looking at your response through that lens, this reads as "it's the volunteer mods' problem now". Part of the voiced issue is that it was done with no warning, no way of transferring the knowledge base or responsibilities.
[–]OralAnalGland 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you're so committed to making them part of the community, why do you tout the creation of the IAMA app as a feather in your cap?
Why would you take a working formula, and throw it out the window in favour of "creating more redditors"?
Not everyone wants to host the talk show. Sure, Arnold is your shining jewel, but I'm certain a lot of celebrities would rather interact anonymously and be allowed a forum to talk to their fans.
This is completely misguided.
[–]outofband 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders) rather than one off occurrences. Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community
This sounds a lot like turning Reddit into an advertisement platform, you realize that?
[–]atrde 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
How will you know its actually the celebrity using the account rather than just a PR firm that posts occasionally?
Also does this mean we will no longer have confirmation that the AMA is actually with the celebrity?
[–]magwrecks 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
I understand that you can't respond to this, but I hope, I really hope, that you had some idea beforehand that getting rid of someone who was popular within the community was going to be met with an anguished outcry. A lot of what may seem to the management of Reddit like irrational, over-the-top anger in the user comments is, I think, based in pain. You may want to keep that in mind.
[–]gadget_uk 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
...
sigh
Dude, don't let this crap drag you down too. You have a cache of respect, it'll evaporate pretty quickly with indefensible bollocks like that.
It's clear that something extraordinary happened that led to Victoria being fired. Trying to dress it as strategic or make out like she was surplus to requirements isn't going to wash. The more tissue paper explanations we get the more we feel like we're being treated like morans.
[–]WYUYBDAAHNFIAGT 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't get how this works. Redditors get on reddit because they like the site and don't need external motivators. Some of them happen to be famous. Maybe its because I watched that Scientology movie two days ago about how they had talent relations team integrate celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people and I like imagine things are more interesting than they are because I'm really bored. However, what is in it for a celebrity to get on reddit if they aren't signing in just because they want to. I feel like recruiting celebrities to reddit will just lead to posts by "celebrities" similar to the celebrity twitter accounts written by a PR firms or marketing firms. Should I expect Joan Rivers to post about how she loves the new iPhone in a random /r/gonewild thread?
[–]garden-of-sound 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
We don't talk about individual employees out of respect for their privacy.
Funny, Yishan ripped this ex-employee a new asshole and everyone praised him for it at the time.
https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2iea97/i_am_a_former_reddit_employee_ama/cl1ygat?context=3
[–]blackerasjack 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
So Victoria is free to talk about why she was fired if she wants to?
[–]WOW_SUCH_KARMA 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
not just stop by on a press tour.
Great way to ensure that 99% of celebrities don't visit the site, ever.
Get with the reality of the situation. The great thing about press tour AMAs is that they don't get upvoted nearly as well. The AMAs that branch out a little and talk about personal stuff generally do much better. What's the harm?
[–]Andre_iC 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
But... did you really give that to them? Because the moderating team of /r/IAmA said that after failed negotiations with the admins, they decided to do it all themselves. From their announcement:
We have taken the day to try to understand how Reddit will seek to replace Victoria, and have unfortunately come to the conclusion that they do not have a plan that we can put our trust in. The admins have refused to provide essential information about arranging and scheduling AMAs with their new 'team.' This does not bode well for future communication between us, and we cannot be sure that everything is being arranged honestly and in accordance with our rules. The information we have requested is essential to ensure that money is not changing hands at any point in the procedure which is necessary for /r/IAmA[4] to remain equal and egalitarian. As a result, we will no longer be working with the admins to put together AMAs. Anyone seeking to schedule an AMA can simply message the moderators or email us at AMAVerify@gmail.com[5] , and we'd be happy to assist and help prepare them for the AMA in any way. We will also be making some future changes to our requirements to cope with Victoria's absence. Most of these will be behind-the-scenes tweaks to how we help arrange AMAs beforehand, but if there are any rule changes we will let you all know in a sticky post.
So... which is it?
[–]dominion47 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Wil Wheaton saw that you left him out of the list, and dude, he's pissed.
[–]Shugbug1986 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
Instead of "looking for talent relations", why not just add it to Victoria's current role and have her simply teach and prep celebs on how to use reddit? Have her help them set up accounts, go over the basics, and give them tips?
[–]dubyadubya 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't give a shit if a celebrity is a constant user. Victoria made AMAs what they are, she helped make that word ubiquitous in pop culture, and Reddit decided that success meant they should fire her and try something new. That is ridiculous and, frankly, bad for business.
If you want to monetize Reddit, this is a really dumb start.
[–]Voorraaddoos 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 15時間 前* (0子コメント)
It sounds like a great idea, but it isn't. The reason those celebrities are popular is because they seem sincere. Arnold get's away with promoting stuff, because he gives good advice in fitness. Nobody is going to question him, because he is a role model. Snoop could do the same in subreddits about breaking into rapping, giving advice etc. But him posting in /r/hiphopheads and giving an honest opinion on an up and comer, rival etc would make headlines. So that is not going to happen. For politicians it's even worse. Sanders knows how to use social media, and he needs it. But you won't get Hillary disparaging Bush on reddit, because it would make headlines. Chris Kluwe lost a lot of respect in /r/nfl and is hated in other subs. Essentially the only way it could work is if celebrities know how to walk the fine line between promoting stuff, being sincere and already being liked. They can't be normal users. I can fuck up and go on a drunken idiotic rage fuelled tirade, come back a couple of days later, make good posts and be forgiven.
A celebrity can not, every word they say will be examined. They can't comment on topics out of their perceived scope of knowledge with out being attacked. And their responses will make headlines. Especially when they fuck up, something you are all to familiar with. You can't be a normal user, you have seen that in the last couple of days. You lost a lot of respect with a single comment, it was brought to attention over and over again. The same goes for celebrities, we love them we hate them, and we love to hate them. Rampart is still a thing years later. But the great IAMA's of others have been forgotten. Gerard Butler had a great one, so dit Ethan Hawke, and a lot of others. But they aren't mentioned again. What does get mentioned is Rampart. I don't even need to mention the celebrity who did that. You know who was that.
A good AMA can slingshot someone to likability, but a bad one will last much longer. It's volatile it's unpredictable and if insincere it will be hated. Victoria was a way to know we were actually talking to the celebrity. And even she was met with skepticism initially. But you have now removed that buffer. And a team is going to do her job? Users are a suspicious bunch, and you removed the person that could have lead this transition. But maybe you fired her because she rightfully was against the idea of making celebrities apart of reddit regularly. Because she knew that they would miss speak, would fuck up, would have a pr team take over the account.
Because know one wants this. You know why Arnold is populair? Because he comes out of know where and responds. Because he constantly posts videos of his actions. He responds in a personal way, but only on topics where he is believable. You won't see him chime in on the presidential race.
And because he is one of the only ones who does it is special, it is note worthy. If we get a 100 celebrities doing this, it isn't special anymore. It doesn't mean anything. They are bigfoot sightings, and your idea is catching bigfoot and have it on show. Interest will die out. It won't be special, people will turn on them, and Reddit's name will be worse for it.
You can have Dave Grohl and everybody loves him, then you have Kayne West and everybody hates him. You can have Sean Penn and everybody asking about how he beat Madonna and have Ian McKellen and everybody loving him. It's a miracle that Arnold doesn't get badgered with questions on him cheating on Maria Shriver.
But that idea will be worse, for a lot of celebrities. You are Scientologist? Against gay rights? Pro Iraq war? etc. They will be swarmed with questions about that.
So the PR team will take over, we won't get answers, the interaction dies out, and nobody cares anymore, but the people who hate them.
With Victoria there was a sense of getting questions answered, knowing a person on the side of users was asking them, even if she skipped the most controversial ones. But by firing here you toke that away. By not explaining why that trust will never be gained again. In a sense you killed the utopia idea you wanted to achieve. It won't work any more. Because we are a skeptical bunch and the one thing we accepted, you just eliminated.
[edit] and it would be fun to be acknowledged, but that doesn't seem possible. I'll never know if you read this rant, no one of meaning will ever respond. It might get some upvotes it might get some downvotes. But in the end, it didn't matter. Because the right people won't read it. It was talking to a wall, probably. And that is probably where this community will die. You are not equipped to handle even 1 percent of complainers, while you know that if 1 percent has a problem it is more like 10 percent. If a power user has a problem you know it will effect 20-30 percent of users, but /u/ekjp doesn't seem to get that. Those 190.000 signatures don't represent 190.000 they represent the same multiplier that happens for sites that get to the top. So atleast around 2 million but probably more.
[–]Phoneaccount2 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
How did you manage to turn Victorias job into literally three jobs?
Yeah, hiring talent sourcing, eh? Kinda... Kinda like what Victoria was doing?
[–]brownboy13 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters
How do you you plan to entice them to be active on reddit? A lot of these people don't have that kind of free time.
[–]Thornsten 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Except for when you do, right?
[–]iou100 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Go eat some popcorn
[–]WhoAteJohnGalt 106ポイント107ポイント108ポイント 21時間 前 (48子コメント)
Thank you for the honest answer, and people above, please stop downvoting. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you should make it un-readable.
[–]IlliniJen 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's not honest. The AMA mods, after talking to kn0wthing, decided, based on what they heard from Reddit management, wasn't prepared AT ALL with a plan on how to conduct future AMAs. That's when the mods declared they'd be taking over responsibility for coordinating the AMAs.
This was basically reddit admins not being able to present a tangible plan and the mods going "yeah...thanks but no thanks for your non-help."
Pao and kn0wthing are lying when they say they made the decision to leave it to the AMA mods. They're simply covering up for their own incompetence.
[–]Rock_Me-Amadeus 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 21時間 前 (3子コメント)
For what it's worth, I don't believe this answer is honest, even though it gives the impression of candour. Victoria would have been ideally placed to assist people with becoming more active on Reddit, and so this explanation just does not ring true at all.
[–]Sootraven 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 21時間 前 (1子コメント)
Agreed, if the plan was to transistion celebs into actual Redditors, then Victoria would have been the perfect candidate for this.
But this reason doesn't make sense. what happens to the celebs who only want to do a drive by AMA? Why would you change your policy so drastically that you would freeze them out and also fire a popular employee in the process?
I think the comments going around about them forcing her to try to monetize AMA seems more likely.
[–]dragonmere 64ポイント65ポイント66ポイント 21時間 前 (30子コメント)
Sorry. That's how Reddit works.
[–]MannoSlimmins 99ポイント100ポイント101ポイント 21時間 前 (14子コメント)
Downvotes are (supposed to be) used when something doesn't add to the conversation (See: Reddiquette).
Instead, people downvote when they get butthurt and not get their way.
[–]Okichah 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
The downvote/upvote system is flawed for this very reason. You have to work within how people use the system not how you intended for it to be used. Problem is that most of the time the system works, so theres no need to dramatically change it.
Plus i got all these shill accounts on sale from unidan and i've got bills to pay.
[–]Mista_Wong 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
People see them as like and dislike buttons yet complain about Facebook the majority of the time. How funny.
[–]InnocuousUserName 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 20時間 前 (2子コメント)
This is imo the biggest problem with reddit right now. Downvotes are just used to express disagreement, hiding the comment, and stifling and conversation that could be productive.
[–]cy_ko8 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 20時間 前 (1子コメント)
It's always going to be like that, though. It's been reddiquette from day one, but the vast majority of people who use this site aren't mature enough for the mindset of "I respectfully disagree with you." It's "ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME IS WRONG AND I HATE THEM." This is why reddit has the hivemind reputation that it does.. in very few of the top subs will you ever have anything resembling thoughtful discourse.
[–]beenwaitingforthisda 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think, in this case, it's the lie that is being downvoted. And because people view it as a lie it adds nothing to the conversation. In fact, it just muddies the water.
[–]adremeaux 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 21時間 前 (7子コメント)
No, that's how reddit behaves. According to reddiquette (and I really, really hate quoting reddiquette, but it's relevant in this case), you should not be downvoting people based on opinions.
[–]palmer672 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
But downvoting something that is relevant to conversation is counter productive.
[–]Cosmic_Charlie 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, that and the casual racism.
[–]shinypenny01 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thank you for the honest answer
If you think this PR statement reflects genuine honesty, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
[–]WhyDoges 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Not everyone is going to become a redditor.
[–]--putty-- 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
This sounds far more impracticable for stars (and to an extent their PR teams) and people will always choose the path of least resistance and use an easier platform to communicate with their audience.
What you are doing sounds like you are setting up a PR spin to advertise reddit as a place where you can interact with the stars. This is not what we want, we want to interact with other cool people who share our passions and ideas. As with Snoop, Arnold this is the case and they happen to be famous people. What you are doing is trying to encourage an instagram, facebook type website.
[–]PMMeYourDeadUnicorns 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
The AMA mods had to set up a Gmail over all this BS, does that mean google is getting between interesting people and reddit?
[–]Jhollenbiz0 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Most of us know you cannot talk about why she was fired. Unless she did something wrong, couldn't she have just been given another title and stayed on? Obviously this whole mess isn't caused by her being fired, but it stoked the fire. The moderators are your bloodline. They leave with content and everyone follows. With your CEO calling us insignificant needs to be addressed. It's the people who post and comment who are significant, not the people who stop by and read and look at pictures. They will go where the content is.
[–]educatedwithoutclass 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
See, honesty can be refreshing!
[–]dksprocket 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is the kind of corporate non-answer that make it clear that you're out of touch with your community.
It makes sense that you don't comment on individual employee relations, but it doesn't make sense you keep your community in the dark about important matters relating to the site. If firing Victoria was relevant to how AMAs are conducted and potential future changes you should clarify that (without necessarily revealing all the details). If firing her were due to other issues you should state that it wasn't related to her role in AMAs.
[–]pkpowerhouse 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
but we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time to take over.
So why didn't you just have Victoria fill this role?
[–]lvngstn 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why wouldn't you just hire Victoria for that role?
[–]BFG_9000 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
but we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations
Victoria would be great for this role.
[–]Vexelius 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Fair enough. When is she going to be issued an official apology? Or better yet, a proper compensation for being fired in such a rushed way that iAMA's very own workings were compromised?
[–]bob_mcbob 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Let's be honest, this is about /r/IamA having control over a major part of your content. Instead of focusing on organizing and promoting in an official capacity the only realistic way for notable public figures to interact with Redditors, you have a totally unrealistic plan to convince them to become Redditors themselves instead, thus bypassing /r/IamA.
[–]dirak 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Was there anything stopping moderators before? It was my understanding Victoria gave the AMA requests the weight of legitimacy.
[–]bananinhao 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Are you guys just copy pasting previously written comments just to try and calm down the situation, but without actually accomplishing anything for the user base.
[–]alphetasauce 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
So what you are saying is you want more free labor. Instead of being willing to pay someone for a damn fine job of being an incredible liaison between you and us, because you obviously know how out of touch you are, you want us to do the work for you after you already shit the bed. I'm impressed that you have the guts to say that, but I don't think it will work as well as you plan.
[–]loveyouinblue 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
Popcorn.
[–]-Silverfoxx 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 21時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Respect" Bollocks. You dont talk about individual employees because of any future legal ramifications, at least be honest.
[–]stolen_loom 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why would you drastically alter one of the most popular subreddits? I love the current AMA format, and Victoria was a huge benefit. Why does it need to change? Can't you add new ideas and features without destroying old ones?
Why are you doing nothing to make this work?
[–]loveyouinblue 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
You still haven't taken out Bernie Sanders from your post. Goes to show what you're trying to manipulate to gain support.
[–]NotEmmaStone 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
How's that popcorn tasting now?
[–]remzem 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why did you fire an admin dying of cancer?
[–]StayingOccupied 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Are they allowed to talk about it?
[–]komakozic 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't understand. Why would celebrities take the time to be consistent posters? I don't think many would commit to that rather than just doing an AMA. Am I misunderstanding?
[–]Guano_Loco 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Obviously people like and respond favorably to celebrity. Always have. So I get why you would want to cater to celebrity users. But along with celebrity comes lack of authenticity, especially when a celebrity isn't doing something because they want to, but because it's part of their business. They have an image to maintain, and a career to sustain.
While some have been good contributors and produce content, most don't. At best what you'll actually get is some publicists and assistants posting under their name. It will get attention, but it will be shallow shit posting.
I mean, it's nice to know you guys have plans because, given the general way things seem to happen around here it sure doesn't seem like it. I just don't think, "hey look! It's that guy from TV!" Is really going to be sufficient to distract the core users in to sticking around as you continue to dump on the site they've created around the framework you provide.
I, like so many others, look forward to you leaving and being replaced by someone who actually understands and can nurture the product you have here, or a good alternative arriving. Whichever comes first.
[–]The_Year_of_Glad 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
What specific methods will you use to encourage celebrities to do this? Will they be paid to post? And how will you verify that it is actually the celebrity using the account, rather than a paid representative of some sort?
[–]HaroldSaxon 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前* (0子コメント)
You say you want celebrities to be redditors and not pop in once a year for publicity.
How come the CEO of Reddit, barely posts once a day?
[–]gangnam_style 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Ha /u/wil isn't a real celebrity!
[–]Cat4lyst 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前* (0子コメント)
Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community
Last time i checked it's not difficult to join to reddit community. Also, I'm not sure why we need or want site admins to help integrating "celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people" behind the scenes. It seems if these famous people genuinely wanted to be apart of the community they would just make an account and join the party, as you mention Arnold and Snoop do this well. For me this policy would just lend to censorship; trying to insure celebs positive PR experiences when visiting reddit seem the obvious corporate goal. These people are trying to sell us stuff, whether it be movies or a product or a political campaign, giving them guidance in doing so takes the fun out of it. We want it raw!
[–]Okichah 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
A bunch of celebrities quit Twitter. Why would they want to come over to Reddit? Do they need dank memes? Does reddit offer better community controls?
[–]Dnuts 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you wanted to retain a celebrity presence on Reddit (which is dumb) keeping Victoria would have been in your best interests.
The situation with Pao is one thing, but the community expected better from you u/kn0wthing. Your conduct has been a gigantic disappointment to all of us.
[–]thatshowitis 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why have so many admins been let go or left on their own? Are you paring down the staff to a skeleton crew in preparation for a pending sale?
Are there even any public acknowledgement of the number of current admins (how many now vs. last year?). Are you hiring more?
[–]jgur88 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Reddit finally has made my list of companies never to work for.
[–]walt_ua 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 20時間 前 (0子コメント)
Does that mean that you are okay with /u/Chooter or /u/Dacvak disclosing information that they feel like is worth it and you won't threaten them with lawsuits if they decide to shed some more light on the circumstances during which they were fired?
Or you will keep hiding behind the claims of ''respecting their privacy''?
[–]VengefulCaptain 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
But if you are going to hire someone to do the job of Talent relations then why did you fire Victoria in the first place instead of having her switch jobs?
[–]Zaorish9 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Can you try not firing people out of respect for huge constructive contributions to your own business? How about that?
[–]Killerko 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
"we can focus on helping remarkable people become redditors, not just stop by on a press tour"
So you just going the google way and decided to shovel your way to everybody's throats no matter if they want it or not. There are interesting people out there who might have a lot to say yet they might not be interested to join reddit or may not have the technical ability to use reddit nor time to learn how to use reddit. Not to mention these AMAs are giving you free quality content that is often being quoted by other media worldwide. This is a bad decision imho.
[–]_churnd 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Great, if that was the case, then why was Victoria fired rather than re-positioned? She was a beloved member of the reddit community & a lot of us feel sad she's gone. She gave a digital voice to celebrities & enabled us to feel like we were truly connecting with them. If you read her prose during any of the AMA's, you know what I mean. That's one of the reasons why we see more celebrities flocking to /r/IamA, because Victoria made it painless to do so. If your position is that you want celebrities to learn how to use Reddit, well then I mourn what used to be because I don't see that happening. It was like that before Victoria came along & it didn't work. Victoria made it work. It's a mistake to think doing it differently will yield different results when it failed in the past. The goal is to have celebrities use Reddit more? Good luck with that, don't see it happening. I was perfectly fine, & I'm sure most here were too, with /r/IAmA being a tour stop.
Regarding your idea to have celebrities use video on the AMA's: please don't. I've seen AMA's that tried that & didn't read or enjoy them. I'm deaf and AMAs are a great way to read celebrity interviews, especially when most TV interviews are hit & miss with regard to closed captioning, radio interviews are non-existent for me, and reading magazine interviews lack personal touch. AMA's have filled a void there. Going to video responses will ruin it greatly.
[–]onrocketfalls 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
So instead of letting people "stop by on a press tour," you're going to try to push them into a commitment, and probably push most away entirely. Great idea.
Nobody cares if it's part of a press tour as long as it's not a Rampart thing where they won't answer anything else. And there hasn't been a Rampart thing in awhile. Mostly because of Victoria.
[–]modestmoos 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
One of the beautiful things about reddit is the lack of focus on who is posting and more on what they are saying. Pushing celebrities on us, when there are a million other outlets for that online seems like a bad direction to move in. It actually makes me sad that you guys are going for the easy draw of getting famous people to participate rather than sticking to what makes this site great.
AMA was a perfect set-up to allow people to interact with celebrities because people were asking questions about the celebrities themselves. Answering questions only they could have the answer to. Why should we want to hear about what they have to say about anything else? If they have a comment on a funny GIF, let them do it anonymously like anyone else.
Of course, I don't think my one comment to you is going to change what is clearly your new company strategy but it really feels like this is taking the site in the wrong direction. If there's anyone in the world who doesn't NEED reddit as a platform to get their voices heard, it's celebrities. We don't need to glorify celebrities any more than they already are. Reddit has the power to shape our culture and instead, you guys are letting the culture shape reddit.
[–]cullen9 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前* (0子コメント)
What do you guys think about us starting a team to help create permanent users out of celebrities?"
can you actually post this in askreddit and wait for response before deciding if it something the users give a shit about?
[–]Treysef 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you want the content creators--i.e., celebrities--to be posters is there going to be a change to the self promotion rules? I imagine they are going to want to talk about the things they're doing or promote charities and whatnot. The whole 1-to-9 rule could be tough for someone as busy as a celebrity to uphold.
[–]BinaryIdiot 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 19時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, except for that one time...
[–]ziptime 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
So /u/kn0thing, if Victoria was OK about you discussing your reasons for firing her in public on Reddit, you'd happily do so?
[–]sifumokung 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 18時間 前 (0子コメント)
Respect for their privacy.
Make sure you have all those non-disclosure agreements alphabetized.
[–]Obliterous 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
Then why did you fire the person who was already doing the job?
[–]flip69 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
Nice try at spinning the story.
The admins got kicked out by the mods. What a shocker that you learned that your title doesn't mean shit... The mods and the community are in control. I know that this paradigm shift can be disturbing and upsetting to you.. but the truth is that you're wrong... and the universe doesn't' work the way you think it does.
The attempt (as described) to try to get celebs to market themselves by community outreach is also going to fail... that once official and that they become "celeb accounts" you will have put another nail into the coffin of this website. All they will really want is to have a bunch of kids asking them silly questions that their assistants will have to copy/paste benign answers too.
It's better if a celeb comes in a "real person" and not their name. To be just like everyone else under some other name and relates to people as people. It's better for them and it's better for us.
[–]i_crap_on_your_head 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
So the real value of Victoria was that she had the trust of the users. And so we felt comfortable believing that the celebrity was actually participating themselves.
That's not always there with verified accounts, like on Twitter. It's pretty common for celebs to have their "people" handle their social media.
The cool thing about AMA's was the direct communication line to the actual celebrity person themselves.
How does your plan account for this? Or is it something we've lost now, along with Victoria?
Translation: We're not going to verify AMA's anymore so that PR people can do them on behalf of celebrity brands.
[–]Deadmeat553 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 17時間 前 (0子コメント)
I find fault in your lack of faith in the great /u/VerneTroyer.
Long live the king!
[–]Kraggen 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 16時間 前 (0子コメント)
Victoria (/u/chooter) doesn't seem to know, for sure, why she was fired. You can't protect someone's privacy if they aren't aware of what you're protecting because they can't decide whether or not they consider it private.
[–]Venicedreaming 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 15時間 前 (0子コメント)
Or maybe you guys laid her off thinking she was as replaceable as any corporate grunt. When that back fires, you cite privacy reasons
[–]treerex 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 13時間 前 (0子コメント)
That is ignorant bullshit. I sincerely doubt many of the high profile AMA folks don't have the time or the interest to become regular redditors. You might wish this to be so, but it isn't going to happen: you will end up with some intern at the celeb's PR firm. The integrity of these posters will reach 0.
[–]jmnugent 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 12時間 前 (0子コメント)
With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience so that we can focus on helping remarkable people become redditors, not just stop by on a press tour. The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters
I've already spent 2 hours reading down through this entire thread,.. so please forgive me if my feedback has already been echoed by other people.
.. but jesus ever-loving fuck I hope you abandon this strategy of "integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters".
Thats an unbelievably idiotic idea.
The reason it works well,.. for people like Arnold S. or Snoop.. is because they themselves take ownership of it, make it genuine and unpredictable (IE = you may never know when Arnold or Snoop just pop into a thread and make a random comment).
That's the reason it's great,.. the fact that it's natural and organic. Unexpected and fresh and genuine.
Trying to "manufacture" that ... is going to kill the qualities that make it special. It's like taking beautiful wild animals and herding them into a pen and saying: "SEE !!.. now you can see them whenever you want !"...
Ugh. No. Please don't do this.
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