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[–]good_jarsh_jerker 3821ポイント3822ポイント x4 (325子コメント)

Guys think really hard before downvoting everything she says. This is a reasonable response.

People were literally calling her a cunt, Hitler, and all sorts of really vile racist shit. She was saying those people are insignificant. That's actually an important fucking distinction, because she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority.

For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

Edit: Lots of responses now calling me a cunt, to be honest it's funny. You see people called horrible things all the time and think it's normal, but when it happens to you it's not all that fun. It's okay to disagree and even dislike Ellen Pao. It's okay to think she's a bad CEO and should step down. It's okay to call her out on it and say "you're a shit CEO and you're ruining my favorite site" if you think that is true. I am only saying it's perhaps not constructive or ethically justified to call her such awful slurs.

I'm not even taking a stand here. For what it's worth, I do not think she is a good CEO of reddit, as she doesn't seem to understand the culture or have grown up with it. There are lots of people who grew up with the internet and sites like reddit, and they seem to have a better understanding of the values these communities treasure (e.g. no censorship, even of awful things we disagree with). I'm not defending her. I'm simply saying that calling her really vile names is cruel, and I want to voice my disagreement with those people.

[–]Marsdreamer 782ポイント783ポイント x2 (88子コメント)

The last month and two incidents regarding Ellen have made me significantly question whether or not I want to continue to be a part of the Reddit community.

It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community. Never, and I mean NEVER, in all my years of being a part of internet communities/online game communities has opinions of violence and Nazi imagery been so widely approved of.

It honestly has left a very bitter taste of Reddit that I don't think will ever dissipate.

[–]itsnotnews92 94ポイント95ポイント  (5子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. I've only been part of this community for a year, and I've enjoyed every minute of it with the exception of the past few weeks.

It disgusts me to see such vitriol thrown around over issues that really don't affect the average redditor. We're going to compare questionable decisions by the leadership of an online community to Nazi Germany? Really? Reddit is that important to people that they have to go to such extremes in their rhetoric?

Reddit is slowly turning into a toxic place.

[–]ooobs 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

One thing you said jumped out at me--that reddit is slowly turning into a toxic place.

I don't think that's quite accurate. I think reddit has long been full of nasty horrible little shits. People being openly racist, perverted well beyond kinky, the kind of stuff that makes you say "that's it, I'm done with the Internet" and mean it. These people (or more accurately, these accounts) were around since the beginning of reddit, or close to it. They created their subreddits and their alt accounts and did their thing, and however unsavory it was, most users didn't care because it stayed where it was--it didn't "leak" into the rest of the site.

What's been fascinating is that over the last few years, the proverbial turd has been stirred. There are subs dedicated to finding the weirdest, grossest, most depraved subs, shining a light into those dark corners. On top of that, the admins have started to flush them out, which has had the result we've seen recently of the front page takeovers.

Reddit is like a kitchen. There is poison under the sink and soda in the fridge. It can stay like that for years until someone decides to mix everything up. The amount of toxicity hasn't changed, but now it's all tainted.

[–]Morbidmort 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, maybe we need to get rid of the poison so it doesn't kill the dog.

[–]cosmicblaze454 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why you avoid most big subs. They were tolerable but now they are just being assholes.

[–]petit_cochon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There has been an incredible amount of Godwinning, that's for sure!

[–]redditmakesmegrumpy 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, 'once the mirror breaks' for you on Reddit it's hard to stay on the site. I pretty much visit small subreddits exclusively but there's always a nagging feeling in the back of your mind that you're swimming in the same waters as a pack of piranhas.

[–]pottersquash 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Utterly agree. During the blackout I was so happy. All the mega threads down but, at least for me, all my small subs tugging along doing the stuff we always do.

[–]MrBojangles528 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want drama, I'm just here for the /r/gardening

[–]micmea1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I stopped using 4chan. I know we all love to talk about how awesome 4chan is, and how so many jokes started there...but yeesh.

[–]nolander 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just hoping a lot of those people actually follow through on their threats and leave Reddit for Voat.

[–]JackDT 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

The last month and two incidents regarding Ellen have made me significantly question whether or not I want to continue to be a part of the Reddit community. It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community.

Agreed. And the "It's just a vocal minority" argument is hard to take when there are literally days when the majority of the top 10 stories on the whole site are titled "Ellen Pao is a cunt."

[–]Gian_Doe 24ポイント25ポイント  (21子コメント)

If it's any consolation, the majority of users aren't saying this shit. It's like anything else, there's a very vocal minority but most people are reasonable.

That's not to say I don't agree that changes should be made, but people like me aren't expressing our mild disapproval all over reddit, creating subreddits and petitions. Reddit fucked a few things up, having worked in the corporate world for a very long time I know big mistakes happen even when there are a lot of smart people with a lot of money making decisions. Whatever - just don't think those people are the majority of reddit - lots of normal people are lurking in the background too.

RES filters are awesome, I highly recommend them. Add "Pao" "nazi" "justin bieber" "comcast" "time warner" "bernie sanders" just to name a few - helps curb the circle jerk. And now that I've pissed everyone off, time to get back to work - sorry!

[–]Marsdreamer 57ポイント58ポイント  (15子コメント)

I get what you're saying, and while the majority didn't say those things, they did upvote. Which at the very least means they agree with what was being said.

That's what bothers me the most. Be mad all you want, vent and swear. But you cross a line when you start discussing violence and using Nazi imagery. The fact that those who did cross that line didn't get downvoted immediately is unsettling.

I expect more out of this community than that.

[–]Hey_Man_Nice_Shot 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes me sad that not enough of us were downvoting that crap so that it wasn't seen, or just to send a message that immaturity to that level shouldn't represent Reddit.

[–]gophergun 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that anyone (or most, at least) ever intended to seriously compare her to Hitler. I think the Nazi and Stalinist imagery was always intended as hyperbole, a joke playing on a real emotional core of frustration with lack of representation.

[–]Marsdreamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I just don't really find the Hitler/Stalin comparison's that funny and the vitriol that followed within those posts doesn't really add to the 'Oh, haha! it's just a joke!' sentiments.

They're not in good taste and comparing Ellen Pao to two men who murdered millions of people sounds a bit out of place.

[–]Gian_Doe 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's the thing, most of us didn't upvote that stuff. I have filters blocking most of it anyway so I didn't even see it to downvote it.

The only time I see that stuff is on mobile because I don't have RES on my phone.

[–]Marsdreamer 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Unless I misunderstand how the upvote system works, in order for something to reach the frontpage it has to receive more upvotes than downvotes.

The majority of Redditors with accounts do not significantly alter their front page. So while you might not have seen it because you've unsubbed from the main subs, those posts still had thousands of upvotes at 80+ approval ratings.

Which means they were being upvoted by the majority.

[–]Gian_Doe 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

But you're looking at the majority of people who are inclined enough to take action on it. Most of us just ignored that stuff in one way or another, a vocal minority who are invested in the situation went out of their way to upvote anything related to it.

Maybe I'm part of the problem because I didn't do anything about it. That's why I made my original reply to you, there are a lot of us in the background who weren't saying or doing anything about it. I just added new filters to RES and enjoyed my holiday weekend. Not going to waste my time thumbing through reddit downvoting a bunch of kids. But I will take my time to let you know there are people like me lurking in the background and don't worry because we make up the majority.

[–]colepdx 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe I'm part of the problem because I didn't do anything about it.

I think you've just stumbled across the reason why Reddit policy has shifted to "doing something about it" instead of just letting upvotes/downvotes sort everything out, because folks upvote some vile shit.

[–]EatMyBiscuits 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You misunderstand how people engage with the voting system if you think people are actively downvoting content in the same way they are actively upvoting it. The vast majority of people don't vote at all, they just read the funny things and move on. A post can make the front page with just a few hundred votes (or less, depending on the time of day), so the vast vast majority of readers aren't even involved, let alone actually voting. The people who do vote are mostly seeing things that have bubbled up to their front page 1/2/3/4 and are then agreeing that this content is something they found valuable (after it has already gain some amount of traction) and push further up to the people who are less likely to vote on it. It takes a different mindset to actively downvote a thing - mostly people just pass it by unless they are s appalled that they are pushed to action. Most downvoting that is effective will happen in /r/new and the downvoted posted will never see the light of day for the vast majority or people.

[–]Shittipller -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

don't like it... that's fine. Crosses what line? your line? From violence to nudity to swearing, then alcohol and before you know it we're all wearing hijabs. No. No to all of it. Be offended, I can respect that, but don't go parading around telling the rest of us how wrong we are for stepping over your arbitrary lines.

How about don't draw any lines save only your own. Be responsible for your own experience.

[–]Marsdreamer 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think civilized society as a whole has agreed upon those two fundamental acts in question.

Threatening others with violence/rape is unacceptable.

Comparing leadership figures to Hitler in seriousness for anything shy of actual genocide is unacceptable.

Additionally, your argument is predicated upon the 'slippery slope' fallacy, which is neither a logical point if view, nor a valid argument to begin with.

[–]Shittipller 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

When making a declaration of making a place 'safe' we need a definitive answer on what the definition of 'safe' is. Everyone has the right to be offended. Police for content on the legality of it and all else rides. Once one group becomes protected, the scales are skewed. No one has the right to be immune from what they say, but at the same time, no one needs to be ostracized for their opinions. It's slippery. What you may find reasonable isn't reasonable to everyone. The mean value of it is near impossible to find. It's far easier to identify the activity and dismiss it than to cling to some expectation that some higher power will force all parties to respect some delicate snowflake's fragile emotional state.

Threatening Violence is unacceptable. Telling someone to kill themselves is indeed a very serious matter and should have a very heavy handed response attached to it. Predatory behaviours, regarding whatever types (sex/race/ideological) should be addressed with the sincerest and delicate approach. Things like this should not be dismissed as lightly as they are. Both are represenative of the more vile aspects of Reddit's collapse... far more than any of the exaggerated proclamations of passionate detractors. Is there a middle ground? No. And as a society we've decided that racism is deplorable, illegal, and without redemption... much in the same way we abhor violence.

Hitler has passed into the comical and exists mostly as hyperbole. Anyone taking the Obama is Hitler jargon as anything more than flotsam and jetsam is overthinking things. Not discounting the seriousness of the atrocities, but on a realistic non-subjective level, Obama Hitler-Pao Hitler aren't meant to be taken literally. An elementary understanding of online culture clarifies that.

The 'Slippery Slope' is very applicable. At what point can a non-subjective safe place be created? What is safe to one is oppressive to another.

[–]Marsdreamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with literally 98% of everything you say except for the Hitler issue.

Which is to say, it's passed into comedy for most people except a few distinct cultures. It is certainly an issue that has been shaped by my experiences, however I can say with certainty that Hitler is not a laughing matter for Germans. It's not funny, it's not comedy, it's not hyperbole.

It's serious.

And while I respect the right for people to say and so whatever they want. I am far from suggesting the offensive remarks about Pao should have been removed or censored. This doesn't mean those who do say them are immune to criticizing and judgement.

My opinion lies that those comments should have never been made in the first place. I believe in humanity more than that, I believe in Reddit more than that. Reddit time and time again violently demands to be 'kept in the loop' and for transparency, where in the very actions they go about protesting their perceived injustices illustrate their inability to receive that which they desire.

[–]Shittipller 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That said, never attribute to malice that which can easily be dismissed as ignorance. People are, above all else, dumbasses.

Individually we're all caring and decent human beings- in groups we're nothing more than animals throwing shit at whatever discomfort we can perceive. Reddit is no different and no rule, law, or suggestion is going to change any of that. Maliciousness is a sport and many find it very entertaining. The trick is to be keen enough to see it for just that and move along. Failing to solicit a response, the agitators will quietly quiet down.

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    [–]maniexx 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Except, when Pao's comments can be downvoted to -2000, it's no longer just a handful.

    [–][削除されました]  (2子コメント)

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      [–]maniexx 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, I know 2000 is not THAT much, but even that many active users can really shape this site, most subreddits don't have that many votes on their top posts.So this sure is a tiny fraction of the people who read this site, but a significant fraction of the people who are active. And that's bad.

      [–]RedneckBob 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community. Never, and I mean NEVER, in all my years of being a part of internet communities/online game communities has opinions of violence and Nazi imagery been so widely approved of.

      That is exactly what they want to happen, a tiny minority is trying real hard to sour the waters. It would be best of we protected our community by standing up to this small minority, down vote the shit of out their whiny threads, and push back on their posts.

      Everyone is standing around with their hands in their pockets while Reddit burns.

      Grow a pair people.

      [–]quarterburn 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I find I'm distancing myself from online communities in general. Gamergate started out as a call for cleaning up gaming journalism. Then it seemed like almost instantly people were descending into toxic madness to get their point across.

      It feels like it's happening all over again with this. The mod revolt did a lot of good and moved things (hopefully) into the right direction. The personal attacks on the other hand make me want to walk away or (more realistically) flee to the super specific subreddits.

      [–]telestrial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The swastika spam was my favorite. I never browse /r/all but someone mentioned it. I decided to take a look and Jesus Christ. The height of discourse...

      [–]Newyauchcity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I couldn't agree more. After using local BBS's I joined my first internet forum 20 years ago, in 1995. I've watched some serious shit go down in a lot of various communities, but none of it compares to what has been directed at /u/ekjp. From being called Hitler, to people making fun of her ethnicity, it has been utterly appalling. And you know, I found the FPH bans questionable (though personally to my satisfaction, fuck those guys) and I feel bad that no one seemed to come to Victoria's aid and realize that she was doing Reddit a service by not just being a sycophant. But frankly, I couldn't care less if Reddit lost the worst members we have, those doing illogical shit like comparing the CEO in charge of a few controversial decisions to a perpetrator of one of the most vile displays of genocide the world has ever seen, EVER.

      So yes, maybe Ellen has some explaining to do, but some of you have some major growing up to do.

      [–]Rytlockfox 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

      /r/shitredditsays and /r/circlebroke helped me stay sane during all of this.

      [–]lik-a-do-da-cha-cha 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      That's an oxymoron.

      [–]Rytlockfox 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just needed an opposing viewpoint. Reddit has been vile about all this, it was nice hearing other opinions I wouldn't normally hear.

      [–]TheFailClub 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Honestly, the worst part of Reddit isn't the admins doing stupid shit, it's the community overreacting to all of it.

      [–]Stuntsheep 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I upvoted all of those. Not because i thought she is a nazi, a cunt or whatever other vile thing said about her, but because every reasonable discussion somehow got nuked by mods and/or admins. So how do you fight censorship? How do you make a reasonable discussion possible? You flood them with so much shit, that censorship is impossible and everyone get's informed. It's not like people saw the nazi pictures/Victoria spam and didn't research why people posted it? Are there better ways? Certainly. Is it a legitimate strategy? Certainly. Did it work? I believe it played a big part in getting to the discussion we are reading right now.

      [–]fursoccer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      internet humor is dark, though, many site admins are teased about being a dictator, I think there is a 5% who believe it and another 40% who just like a good joke

      [–]Brettster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm right with you. It's repugnant and genuinely disturbing at times the level or sheer hate and rage and backwardness on this site. It's like a Klan rally at times.

      [–]rnet85 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, they were all well contained in fph, banning that sub just made the children and high schoolers in that sub mad and they acted as children act when their toy is taken, just going on a rampage and shitting on everything.

      [–]latticusnon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Welcome to the internet, buddy.

      [–]notLOL 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm personally always reading explain like I'm 5 posts. What if everyone here is 5?

      [–]Ginnex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      uh, welcome to the internet. You were supposed to pick up your free pair of balls when you got started.

      [–]Awkward-Bear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Someones never been to 4chan.

      [–]stationhollow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The vast majority of comments and posts were humorous in nature. They weren't being serious. I don't know what to tell you if you believe nazi symbolism should be hidden in a box and never mentioned again. It's humor. Nothing is sacred. Your reaction falls in a similar place as hardcore Christians whining about The Life of Brian.

      [–]ether_reddit -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Welcome to the internet, where a tiny bit of anonymity brings out the most brutal and savage behaviour from everyone.

      [–]NoPatNoDontSitonThat -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      For one, it's summer Reddit. Seriously, lots of 12-14 year old boys are here looking at porn and contributing bad content/comments.

      Two, Reddit has gotten too popular. The perfect fix for a lot of Reddit's problems would be to do away with default subs and/or make a big push for more smaller communities. With millions of people posting here now, you're going to run into a lot of assholes.

      [–]Marsdreamer 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I've been a part of Reddit for about 5 years now and I've never noticed a big difference between Summer and Winter. With mobile devices and how bored people get a school I can't imagine much of a difference in the user base between seasons.

      I do agree with smaller communities. Right now my frontpage only has a handful of subs with more than 100,000 subscribers, but it doesn't really change the fact that the vile which was spewing forth was upvoted by the majority of the community.

      [–]BritishHobo 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      No. It isn't. People need to stop passing the buck on this shit. Reddit has been hateful for a long time now, and it's only been summer for a few weeks.

      [–]cupidsballistictable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was a slashdot convert that came over in the 2007ish timeframe. I wiped my original account maybe four years ago because Reddit was getting ugly. When I started using Reddit, I remember being impressed by how helpful and welcoming the communities were, and how interesting and genuine the comments were. There was a strong science/tech/programming focus, which wasn't necessarily ideal, but it was just a great place to learn and spend time.

      Honestly, I think the digg exodus was the beginning of what we have now. The diggers themselves were great, they just pushed us over critical mass and suddenly Reddit became this black hole that sucked in all sorts of people from other sites, including every loud, hateful asshole with too much time on their hands.

      [–]yumenohikari 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      summer Reddit

      Not when the shitshow has been ongoing for years.

      [–]chaanach 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      and people were just starting to forget the whole boston bomber thing too...

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        [–]TheEw0kGamer 946ポイント947ポイント  (54子コメント)

        Internet entitlement, it's the worst.

        [–]Iniesto 403ポイント404ポイント  (33子コメント)

        This thread makes redditors look like idiots for the most part..

        [–]gizzardgullet 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Redditors like /u/good_jarsh_jerker are saying level headed things and getting thousands of upvotes by other redditors. I think we should wait until the dust settles before we judge this thread.

        [–]SeeShark 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's partially why we can believe the "vocal minority" narrative - the upvotes on reasonable comments far outnumber the ugly replies.

        [–]Zenodice -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's easier to play into the "lol reddit is dumb" circle jerk and reap that sweet sweet karmic satisfaction.

        [–]Powerspawn 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Because they are. Have you seen Reddit this past week?

        [–]Rytlockfox -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Summer Reddit. At Least that's what I hope

        [–]goodstuff10 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I agree. Christ she's responded reasonably well and all of the shitty responses show why she shouldn't have to care about some of the idiots here

        [–]social_psycho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Probably a PR consultant using her account.

        [–]DORTx2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Everything that's happened since the fat people thing has made redditors look retarded.

        [–]ToxicPancakes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'm currently looking at positive scores for Ellen and it makes me a little happy- and somewhat smug..

        I agree that people calling her terrible names and literally saying they want her dead (WTF?!) was/is way fucked up, people need to tone it down. But seeing her actually engaging the community, something even the quietest of Redditors have been thirsting for, and getting positive scores? It's what reddit has needed and the more she put it off, the more she alienated the userbase, and now look. Thoughtful responses, more than one response to a thread, actually having a dialogue with the users of this very vocal site, and they're already more accepting as a whole.

        Yea, there may have been downvotes earlier, but currently everyone on of her comments is positive. I'm proud of Ellen for taking a chance and talking, and I'm proud of reddit for taking the time to seriously consider what she has to say. Yes there are unanswered questions, yes these are merely words, but jesus, at least the users and Mods are being acknowledged finally.

        Everyone deserves a gold star and a lollipop.

        [–]Cultofluna7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I really want to punch just about everyone in this thread. She gives a genuine response to questions and we have children doing what they do best after her response. I wish I could put some of these people in their place. I'd wager that a lot of these people don't even give an ounce of a shit about the issues of reddit. They're just doing it to fit in and be cool!

        [–]wasniahC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Does it? I'm scrolling down and everything's looking pretty reasonable. If you're expanding all the comments all the way, including the ones people are downvoting, then yeah, every thread makes redditors look like idiots.

        Actually, a lot of them make redditors look like idiots without doing that, too.

        [–]Decolater 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Some. Don't paint us all. There are some really thoughtful posts being made. The dumb ones, as Tom Petty would say, "are just the usual noises."

        [–]cookingboy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I mean, that's probably true considering Reddit by large is an even younger(immature) version of the general public, which isn't exactly known to be sophisticated as a whole group.

        [–]petit_cochon -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Some redditors are idiots. Usually the ones who say racist things, call everyone cunts (except the Aussies, I suppose, because they use the word like water), and generally downvote without thinking because everything is a conspiracy theory. This site is run by humans, for humans, and there are bound to be errors and misunderstandings.

        I do wish Victoria hadn't been fired, but something tells me that the reddit mgt also wishes so, at this point.

        [–]madmooseman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Large subreddits make redditors look like idiots for the most part.

        [–]LegacyLemur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Everything I've seen in the comments in /r/announcements since I've joined makes redditors like look whiny, overly emotional idiots for the most part

        [–]TPpower99 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        yes and no(going to take a lot of flak for this cause you know,feminism)

        Bringing in feminism, and how people were just mad that a female(Ellen Pao in this case, look a bit below the top posts to see what im talking about) got into power reeeeeeeeally ticked me off, like wtf? who gives a damn if shes a guy, girl, alien, dog, whatever. if shes making horrible choices, people have the right to be mad. I have seen zero men superiority post/thoughts on this site. in fact I have seen more "men are always attacker,men are always wrong, men shouldn't have rights essentially" posts than anything. the definition of feminism: fem·i·nism /ˈfeməˌnizəm/ noun noun: feminism the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

        "Equality to men" EQUALITY ,we should be treated all the same, not: "females should be given privileges and powers because they were oppressed for so long". you don't see black people enslaving the whites now do you ? there are two sides to every story....just saying. (another side thought, I respect women, and in fact, any race,sex, etc ..... but sadly, most of the "feminism" ive seen has just been female superiority)

        ANYWAY back to redditors being idiots: I see most of this as valid debate, BUT;

        • theres trolls making the hitler comments

        • theres MANY valid statements made by users(that are also a bit harsh, as the truth may be)

        • theres the people trying to defend the higher-ups from these statements

        *theres people going way off topic

        all of this is normal to reddit and even then,to some serious arguments. Even including the slurs (that's common anywhere you go,you cant stop it)

        [–]i_wanna_be_the_guide 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        aaaannndddd ..redditor upvotes you

        [–]4GAG_vs_9chan_lolol 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Most threads make redditors look like idiots for the most part..

        [–]staffell 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The hive mind is a horrible thing.

        [–]neuroSplicer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Makes it look like? I have been browsing reddit since 2009 and at this point I believe reading the comments and replying to them is some sick fetish that I am subconsciously living out.

        [–]ya_mashinu_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I mean we're redeeming ourselves, its been an hour and she's at like plus 1000

        [–]Statoke -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Its like GamerGate, just let it be and give it no attention. This will all turn into GG soon enough.

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          [–]deHavillandDash8Q400 53ポイント54ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Seriously. Folks, this is literally just a website. It's not life, and if it is for you, you need help.

          [–]DoctorSteve 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This is what I don't understand about this whole thing.

          So there's always a side that wants to cause chaos. And there's always a side that's going to defend/white knight something no matter what. But now those sides are clashing over Reddit, and it's really mindfucking me.

          So we have the people who want to cause chaos, saying "Ellen Pao sucks! Down with Reddit!" and we have the White Knight side, saying "I hate Redditors". What the fuck is going on?

          [–]bluebirdinsideme 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I find it hilarious that you are actually being downvoted. Wow.

          [–]Metalhed69 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Well, except for the people who lost their jobs.

          [–]Mrpapaweegee 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          *person

          [–]Metalhed69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Victoria and Kickme444. That's two. I believe that is correctly expressed as "people".

          [–][deleted] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There are a lot of people who have spent years and years and years on reddit.com, and are as attached to it as anything else people get attached to. Friends are made and lost, lives documented, vices conquered, failures exposed.

          For a lot of people, reddit.com reflects life, and sometimes that's powerful and painful when it's ripped from them with no warning.

          [–]seancurry1 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ding ding ding ding

          [–]Lolworth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          http://i.imgur.com/OZDgrdX.gif

          [–]MuscleT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I DESERVE these levels of entitlement.

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            [–]JoeLithium 64ポイント65ポイント  (13子コメント)

            People are fucking cruel. Maybe I'm nieve or just easily pleased, but when someone apologizes and takes responsibility for something I tend to let it go, maybe not instantly, but now the proof is in the pudding.

            I don't know Ellen Pao personally. I've read things, I've heard things, and I've experienced a few things in the context of being a member of reddit.

            Let the actions speak for a while people. If shit doesn't get better THEN take up for pitchforks.

            [–]neurorgasm 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Let the actions speak for a while people. If shit doesn't get better THEN take up for pitchforks.

            I'm not overly invested in this one way or another, but it seems like that's what people have already been doing since she took over.

            [–]Papa_Hemingway_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hi nieve, I'm Dad

            [–]Ex_Outis 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

            If shit doesn't get better THEN take up the pitchforks

            Yeah, thats what we said after The Fattening.

            [–]2fingers 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Lots of people supported the Fattening

            [–]Ex_Outis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

            That's not the point. The reason people were pissed off over the Fattening was that the admins were censoring what users had to say just because the admins were pissed about FPH. Meanwhile, tons of racist subs stay up.

            The point is that the majority of redditors want reddit to remain no-biased. It's supposed to be a big room where people can talk about almost everything, not a room where you can't say certain things lest you get banned.

            Mind you, this aint 4chan, so I agree with the admins banning all those jailbait subs a while back. But fat people hate? Come on.

            At a certain point we are going to have to determine what is a good balance between freedom of speech and 'what pisses people off'. If we continue down the path of censorship, then a conversation, no matter how immature on the subject, cannot be had. We'll be able to only talk about what the admins say is worth talking about. And thats not the fucking internet I want to be on

            [–]2fingers 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Dude, FPH users harassed people all across the internet, the mods couldn't put a stop to it so they got banned. Good. As you cleverly point out, the racist subs aren't banned because they keep the shit contained in their own cesspool. And censorship has been a constant companion on Reddit, it was never a bastion of free speech. You certainly don't speak for a majority of Redditors, and neither did all of the FPHers whining about the ban.

            [–]Ex_Outis -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I guess you're right. What I don't like is admins deciding what is harassment and what's not.

            But I guess since reddit was never a bastion of free speech then we shouldn't care if it gets shittier

            /s

            [–]2fingers 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Someone has to decided what is harassment and what's not. Someone has to decide what is spam and what is not, what constitutes personal information, what constitutes vote manipulation, etc. Care as much or as little as you want

            [–]Ex_Outis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I just think redditors want this "someone" to be the users, and not a handful of administrators making assumptions about what is best for the community. But since reddit is a business and not a place for users to make conversations, I guess the admins are justified in making these moral decisions because if they don't then advertisers won't advertise on their website.

            edit: nice gold btw

            [–]Ultimate_Cabooser -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            If shit doesn't get better THEN take up for pitchforks.

            BUT I WANT TO RIOT NOW, MOM!!!

            [–]Dashing_Snow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            There has been shady shit since she took over though including basically banning any non positive discussion of her frankly bullshit case. The past few weeks have just been people being pushed past their breaking point. Reddit was founded on the ideals of free speech this includes objectionable speech. I am not a fan of fph but the claims of being banned for behaviors not content were bullshit I watched them follow them to sub after sub and ban subs over and over. Including satire subs like thin people hate. They are absolute banning content and that is unacceptable to many. It goes completely against the principles reddit was made around.

            [–]randomcoincidences -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Let her actions speak - aka look at her horrendous track record. Her massive public disapproval didn't appear out of thin air.

            [–][deleted] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            A proper apology always starts with "I", never "we".

            [–]tyrico 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I tried to tell someone in another thread to stop calling Ellen Pao a cunt if he wanted to accomplish anything with this "movement" and he proceeded to just call me a bunch of names too. I agree with everything he had to say except his use of name-calling.

            People are silly.

            [–]outofband 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

            For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

            That's what I always said to people who were insulting her, and got downvoted/ignored. Why do people think that posting the face of a person photoshopped in front of a nazi flag is making a point?

            [–]done_holding_back 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Because they're angry about situations that they can't control (administration of Reddit) and lack the emotional maturity to deal with that kind of disappointment so instead they lash out like a toddler who doesn't get their way.

            [–]NoPatNoDontSitonThat -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Reddit is full of content that grabs your attention in less than two seconds. So if you're going to use propaganda here, you're going to have to make your point quickly and strongly. Nazi Germany is the easiest way to do that.

            [–]EnviousDan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I upvote her just because it's the fucking CEO and it adds visibility to her comments. I can't find shit when everyone goes on a rampage and mass downvotes someone.

            [–]SeeShark 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Not to mention that downvoting everything she says creates the illusion she's not communicating with us when in fact she is.

            [–]davidloach 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I absolutely love how people think downvoting her is really sticking it to her.

            "Maybe if we downvote all of her posts, she will resign! Let's do it reddit!"

            [–]SeeShark 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            it would have worked on me

            [–]myhappylittletrees 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Agreed. It's frustrating to want to read and have an actual conversation with legitimate Q&A and having every answer downvoted to hell so that no one actually sees it.

            [–]LL_Train 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Thank you for saying this. I know you're not the only one asking for calculated response from the community, but you're surely in the majority.

            It's unfortunate that the hive-mind mob mentality of much of reddit has already deemed Pao as worthy of nothing more than being (figuratively) burned at the stake for everything she's done.

            I, too, am unhappy with the unwarranted censorship and "corporatization" of Reddit Inc under Pao's leadership. However, assuming she can actually act on her words and this isn't just fodder to temporarily appease the community, then we should chalk this off as a win-win for everyone.

            If not, then we should continue to press for changes at the highest level. As she said herself, the buck starts and stops with her.

            [–]taupro777 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            After Pao's crap attempt at lying about gender discrimination, yeah, people think she's disgusting. And she is. She wanted millions for a made up slight with no logic. Imagine, if you will, her life outside of reddit. Most of us assume she is selfish and vain and lacking logic. So we take her copy/pasted answers and they piss us off even more. We are being logical.

            [–]arkhound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Yes, the average redditor kept all those posts up with their upvotes to the extent that they had to start deleting the posts with bots. Sounds like it's not a minority.

            [–]anotherpoweruser 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But if we just downvote her and upvote all the people calling her a cunt that proves we're right! /s

            [–]ivegotfleas1 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm impressed she came to comment at all. She get's a ton of abuse on here, so it can't be easy.

            [–]Goat_im_Himmel 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So very true. For all I know, Ellen really is an incompetent CEO whose tenure here is hurting the site... but you know what? Like fuck am I going to side with people who think that is an acceptable way to have a dialogue about this. If that is the kind of opposition she garners, I just am led to assume that she probably is doing something right, because only terrible, terrible people would act like that.

            [–]nonfish 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Haha, except those same people are the ones downvoting. You have to accept that sometimes reddit is collectively shitty, even if a few of us realize that sometimes there's more to it than what meets the eye

            [–]JBHUTT09 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

            she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority

            True. But this does not mean that the average redditor supports her, which her statements can easily be interpreted as claiming. Based on what I've seen, the average redditor is displeased with her and wants her gone, even though they don't spit the same level of vitriol as that rude minority. She needs to address the overall displeasure of the user base and not just shrug off all of it along with the vile insults.

            Edit: When I say "redditor" I'm talking about users with accounts who actively participate, be it by posting, commenting, or simply voting. Users without accounts are visitors, not redditors, and they should not be a large consideration when talking about reddit policies.

            Edit 2: /u/CaptainObviousMC said it best:

            The thing is... She's absolutely right, I 100% don't care at all about this situation, reddit, or the moderators. I'm a pretty apathetic content sponge.

            That fact is deadly dangerous to reddit, because the moment the content creators jump ship, I'll follow them like the fair weather fan I am, because I don't care -- at all -- where I get my content, or about which corporation or moderators are involved. If reddit compromises its content stream by having moderators jump ship, I'm out too, not because I care, but because I don't.

            So she's right -- most reddit users absolutely don't care a bit about this, or the site, or really anything. And that's why she can't afford to piss off the moderators, who are the people who do care.

            What's hilarious is that the reddit administration seems unable to see that most people not caring is precisely what makes the moderators caring so dangerous: they're wielding my caring by proxy, because they hold the keys to content.

            [–]lucifers_cousin 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

            FYI, the "average redditor" has no idea who the fuck Ellen Pao is (at least before this whole fiasco), considering few users ever make an account, even fewer vote/comment on posts, and barely any actually submit content regularly.

            Redditors really do have no fucking clue half the time.

            [–]xavierdc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Or who Victoria is. I bet most just hopped on the bandwagon to feel part of something.

            [–]JBHUTT09 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            When I say "redditor" I'm talking about users with accounts who actively participate, be it by posting, commenting, or just voting. These are the people who make up the community of reddit and these are the people who should be considered first and foremost when making changes to this site. Users with no account are nowhere near as important as active users since they have much less of a stake in the policies of reddit and little impact on the site itself. They don't contribute. They only consume. Their interests should be very low priority, if a priority at all, because without the contributors there will be nothing to consume, and the consumers will leave.

            [–]lucifers_cousin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Users with no account are nowhere near as important as active users since they have much less of a stake in the policies of reddit and little impact on the site itself. They don't contribute. They only consume.

            The majority of reddit's traffic is made up of users who either don't have accounts, or don't submit comments or posts. Traffic is what keeps reddit running, because high traffic = high exposure for advertisers = profit for shareholders. Therefore, from a purely business perspective, anonymous casual users are far more important to reddit than users who actively participate in the community.

            Their interests should be very low priority, if a priority at all, because without the contributors there will be nothing to consume, and the consumers will leave.

            Color me shocked the day reddit is absolutely devoid of content because everybody left. Where would they even go?

            Even if there was a period of less content due to a temporary mass exodus, it would go mostly unnoticed by casual users. The front page would still be arranged by popularity, and so they will still be free to look at their cat pictures and dank memes.

            [–]JBHUTT09 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Color me shocked the day reddit is absolutely devoid of content because everybody left. Where would they even go?

            Have you heard of Digg? It died because it pissed of its content contributors. /u/CaptainObviousMC said it best:

            The thing is... She's absolutely right, I 100% don't care at all about this situation, reddit, or the moderators. I'm a pretty apathetic content sponge.

            That fact is deadly dangerous to reddit, because the moment the content creators jump ship, I'll follow them like the fair weather fan I am, because I don't care -- at all -- where I get my content, or about which corporation or moderators are involved. If reddit compromises its content stream by having moderators jump ship, I'm out too, not because I care, but because I don't.

            So she's right -- most reddit users absolutely don't care a bit about this, or the site, or really anything. And that's why she can't afford to piss off the moderators, who are the people who do care.

            What's hilarious is that the reddit administration seems unable to see that most people not caring is precisely what makes the moderators caring so dangerous: they're wielding my caring by proxy, because they hold the keys to content.

            [–]Dashing_Snow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            fyi the average redditor doesn't create content likely around 90% of content on reddit is created by maybe 5% of users. What matters is if the creators get pissed.

            [–]scurius 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            sorry people are doing shit like that to you. you seem pretty sane and reasonable.

            [–]ViktorV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This needs to be upvoted harder.

            WAY harder.

            [–]michael22joseph 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

            But that's not actually what she said. Yes, she said that "the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority," and it's pretty clear that this is in reference to all of the awful things that were being said. But the very next part of the NYT quote is "most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours," which I find to be categorically false. Most of the users were very interested, in one way or another, except for lurkers who don't make up a part of the real Reddit community.

            [–]TheBostonPops 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Most of the users were very interested, in one way or another, except for lurkers who don't make up a part of the real Reddit community.

            You sure about that?

            [–]michael22joseph 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Obviously I don't have the data to back it up, but a large part of the active voting base of Reddit was concerned with what was happening. To say that most of Reddit was uninterested is dishonest, and in the face of a site-wide ruckus where the main message is that "the users are unhappy", the burden of proof is on the person who claims otherwise.

            [–]lappro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It would've been nice if that distinction was made in the NYT article though.
            Edit: after rereading the quote:

            But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours.
            “Most of the community is made up of thoughtful people, and they can appreciate what we all do, even if we don’t always agree,” Ms. Pao said.

            I don't actually believe anymore this distinction was intended in the article. "They can appreciate what we all do" seems to suggest that there were only 1. people calling her a Nazi etc. or 2. people appreciating and/or not caring what the admins do. Yet there was a very significant 3. part of people having serious problems with the way things are handled, that also happened to be the content providers and therefor the most important part of the website.

            [–]theukoctopus 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I mean sure, there are better CEOs reddit could have, but at least she's attempting an apology rather than remaining silent for eternity.

            [–]OnNom 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            These are merely words and not actions. I might feel differently later when she actually does something positive to address issues with the site.

            [–]theukoctopus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            One thing that would satisfy me is if the mods they are allegedly working with were free to discuss what is happening, and their views on it. I don't care what the admins think of their new tools because they won't be using them regularly.

            [–]shirleyyujest -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Is it an as apology, though? Or is it a desperate response to the petition?

            [–]flounder19 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's not like the petition or really any of the user-driven protests have been that successful at disrupting the site for a prolonged period of time. That petition could get 300k signatures and it still won't affect her position as CEO. If this apology is a response to anything, it's to the mods who actually can impact how the site runs (as we've seen with the blackout). The real test will be whether there's any substantial change in the admin-mod relationship and with what projects reddit chooses to emphasize (things like mod tools that improve the site experience or projects that offer new revenue streams for the company).

            I still would like the administration to just come out and say that they're a business making profit-oriented decisions that will sometimes supersede their morals. Oftentimes I feel like reddit just pretends that everything they do comes from the core community values but I doubt that's the pitch they're giving to investors.

            [–]redditj4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I would actually be curious as to the percentage of real redditors who upvoted/commented/posted about what transpired over Victoria's sacking and the subsequent drama/issues that happened vs. visitors/logged in visitors, etc. I dont even know if this would be possible!

            [–]assumes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The assumptions have got to stop

            [–]TheTaoOfBill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Honestly there should be something in reddit's algorithm that puts admin comments on top of the thread automatically regardless of vote count. Whether the comment is good or not an admin's comment probably should always be seen.

            [–]NorwegianWood28 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm glad to see her comment at 1520 points right now. It's reasonable.

            [–]DoctorWaluigiTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And yet more posts are still flying in with "but 170k isn't a vocal minority!", assuming she's talking about anything more than the flagrant insulters. Methinks people are seeing what they want to see.

            [–]geoman2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Thank you for injecting some sanity into this post.

            [–]Umaro2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The Internet will never stop entertaining me. Hopefully.

            [–]realchriscasey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            /u/good_jarsh_jerker is a shit CEO and should step down.

            [–]digitalpencil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I personally believe Ellen should step down, I believe the userbase has simply lost/never had trust in her leadership and for better or worse, it simply won't work moving forward.

            With that said, the way this userbase has treated her as an individual has been fucking abhorrent. The internet can be such an incessantly cruel place, and it frankly wasn't warranted. We could have had a mature discussion but like always, we resorted to flinging shit at someone and kicking her until there was little left. FWIW i signed the petition and I wish to see reddit take a more responsible approach to monetization and the treatment of its staff, volunteers, core userbase and the internet generally.

            [–]MirthB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            don't forget many of them are angsty teenagers.

            [–]CookieOmNomster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I like you. "If you're going to cuss do it deservingly."

            [–]GnarlinBrando 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            She did not make the distinction you did. If she had I would give her credit from that, but she side stepped.

            [–]InternetWeakGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The ironic thing is there will be a bunch of people in this thread posting from multiple accounts varying between making critical posts and calling her a cunt, and those people will get banned, and then undelete and subredditcancer will point to the critical posts and say "SEE!!! She's banning anyone critical of her!!!".

            You have to wonder if people don't realise how many people who go to the trouble of being hateful also go to the trouble of doing so from multiple accounts, using them to make their comments more visible. I got attacked by three people in an old thread the other day and when I looked into their history it was obviously the same person with three accounts, and the admins banned them immediately. But if I was pao, it would be three people who were banned for being critical of me.

            It's just.... so dumb.

            [–]americanpagesus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This is a reasonable response.

            No it's not. She had to say something to NYT to appease non-redditors, to ensure she'll be able to attract more capital. She knew the reddit users wouldn't like that article, though. So now she's here to "clarify" and "provide context".

            [–]Alarmed_Ferret 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Isn't this a bit like saying newspaper readers are completely irrelevant to journalism because they don't print the paper or write the stories?

            [–]Obamanomicon_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What a cunt-hitler, am I right guys?

            [–]randommarne 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What the masses are demanding from you.

            [–]Infobiac 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            u = büthert

            [–]Skodd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            cunt

            [–]Hurinfan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What is the difference between calling her a shit CEO and a cunt?

            [–]dr_rentschler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So being a mod or a "content creator" (what's that exactly? good comment? self post? 0 karma submission?) excludes talking negatively about her? That bull.. also i didnt have the impression as if the people talking negatively about her were a minority.

            and all sorts of really vile racist shit

            and not one time have i read a racist remark about her.

            [–]bozwald 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            "I'm not even taking a stand here"... Takes a stand in the next sentence.

            [–]bcarr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's too bad the fucking NEW YORK TIMES couldn't parse that context in the initial report.

            [–]noafro1991 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hitting the nail here. We need to show ourselves to be a decent community and not let the fucking shit actions of a few tarnish the site community as a whole.

            [–]Leeham721 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Well she did try and extort $2.7m using false discrimination claims in order to pay her husbands legal bills.

            [–]Dashing_Snow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Way more then that the 2.7 million was how much she wanted from the company to not appeal.

            [–]mcgillycuddy412 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            You should look at her comment history and realize that she just copy/pasted that response from an earlier comment.

            [–]pie-oh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Why does that matter? She probably wrote the post knowing she was going to put it in two places at once? There's nothing wrong with that.

            [–]Astro_Turfin 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            We don't need to "assume" anything. We have a fuck ton of evidence to support those claims. Reddit as it was once known is dead. It's now just a husk inhabited by dark PR campaigns, broad censorship of critical world events (TPP) and thought manipulation. This site might as well be buzzfeed. "Safe space" means if you hurt someone's gentle, fragile fee fees you're getting a site wide ban. Cultural Marxism selectively implemented and enforced.

            Reddit is never going to have its entire user base leave. There are too many dipshit 12 year Olds hopping on every day. But without heavy handed corporate and "brand partner" censorship this company will never be monetized. Which really means the site is and has been complete trash.

            Nothing monumental or important will ever happen on reddit again. Everyone who has been with the site since it actually created meaningful outcomes in real world events is already gone.

            Most of you are content to suck each other off in curated echo chambers. Those who actually seek truth will have to look elsewhere. Luckily for Ellen, she's after the lowest common denominator, so she doesn't want people capable of critical thought around anyway.

            Enjoy your swan song

            [–]bannedin2mins 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

            ... fph was a 'vocal minority' too.

            Why weren't they simply ignored or dismissed?

            [–]rsplatpc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Guys think really hard before downvoting everything she says. This is a reasonable response.

            I award you Reddit Sensibility (free)

            [–]mirrorwolf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Shit now I actually feel a little bad for all the shit people talked about her for saying that users aren't important. Sorry Ellen. My aPaologies

            [–]d00d1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Don't worry....most of us know you're not a cunt. That's uncalled for. Unless you really are a....yeah. Then it's called for.

            [–]Kjell_Aronsen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But this is the exact problem.

            On Reddit, and on the Internet generally, there will be people using misogynistic and racist slurs against their opponents. These people are scum, and their behavior is unacceptable.

            That being said, the existence of this small minority of scumbags does not in itself justify the actions of Ellen Pao. Yes, she has been the victim of unacceptable behavior, but that is irrelavant to her conduct.

            Furthermore, her history shows that she has specialiced in using victimization to advance her own career. Can we please try to keep two thoughts in our head simultaneously? One: harrassment is unacceptible. Two: Ellen Pao cannot be CEO of Reddit.

            [–]Didalectic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Wasn't it about:

            "But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours."

            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/technology/reddit-moderators-shut-down-parts-of-site-over-executives-dismissal.html

            The quote was concerning the past 48 hours, not the anti-harassment move where there indeed was a lot of crap being thrown her way. The most virulent detractors in the past 48 hours were the mods who set their subs private for a while, something she argued most people dont care about.

            I like how you stand up for reason, but she diverted what the OP was talking about to playing the victim card of how a minority of people were hating on her.

            [–]arhombus -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

            She is a shit CEO. She has no grasp of the company which she runs. She may or may not be a cunt, but she is incompetent in running Reddit. That much is obvious. She's done nothing but bring trouble.

            Disagree? Tell me why.

            [–]7yphoid 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Oh, wait, can I get gold for defending /u/ekjp too?

            [–]good_jarsh_jerker 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Shit man, if I could give you mine I would. I don't want it.

            I'm defending her only in so far as I'm saying people shouldn't say very cruel things to her.

            [–]7yphoid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I was only joking in that /u/ekjp might be the one giving you gold. Your response was good though. Nobody deserves to be called horrible things without reasonable justification.

            [–]lsasqwach 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I never called her a cunt, but I sure do thunk it cuz I'm just a stoopid internet trailer trash insignificunt

            [–]boneyarsebogman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Honestly I do feel that this is the issue that at its heart is what is most wrong with Reddit; it's rare that you see people actually expressing opinions, let alone having debates and conversations. Instead, they downvote you without listening. Regardless of the fact that that sucks, it actively destroys the chance of any form of discussion. Essentially doing what the internet and Reddit hates the most; destroying free speech.

            Don't just downvote someone. If you disagree with what they're saying, tell them so!

            [–]xavierdc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Ikr? They want answers but behave like assholes when the answer is giving. Stop being a bunch of whiny edgy neckbeards.

            [–]Frickinfructose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            YES!!! Finally an upvoted, visible comment that reflects what most of us are thinking. ENOUGH with this vile, unproductive childish name-calling! This is NOT who our community is. We can have disagreements, but we can also communicate them in a responsible, productive way. Thank you for speaking out.

            [–]edgeloard -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

            For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

            I'd say we should show some credibility and start linking sources on some of these awful things people are supposedly saying about her. We've already had this sort of thing go down a few times in the past year where there's this pack of evil Reddit boogie men being sexist, racist, etc where everyone swallows it hook line and sinker only to find out later it's bullshit to silence people with a different opinion.

            [–]KoNP -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well she's not Hitler, that's just silly, Hitler's long dead. And I could say some racist shit too, but I wouldn't believe my own words - I'd only be saying it to be hurtful, nothing more.

            But she is absolutely demonstrably a cunt. And I have absolutely no problems saying so.

            [–]stormbringer89 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Are you kidding? She is vile, along with husband, she tried to swindle a company that did nothing wrong out of a -large- sum of money to pay off her husbands ILLEGAL activities. Get fucked, your opinion means jack shit.

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