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[–]ekjp[S,A] 2260ポイント2261ポイント x2 (727子コメント)

I assume you’re referring to the NYT quote. I want to clarify the quote's context. The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority. I do understand that the site is built on the content and voting, and I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users.

[–]prezuiwf 56ポイント57ポイント  (1子コメント)

The article, if anyone is interested.

[–]good_jarsh_jerker 3825ポイント3826ポイント x4 (325子コメント)

Guys think really hard before downvoting everything she says. This is a reasonable response.

People were literally calling her a cunt, Hitler, and all sorts of really vile racist shit. She was saying those people are insignificant. That's actually an important fucking distinction, because she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority.

For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

Edit: Lots of responses now calling me a cunt, to be honest it's funny. You see people called horrible things all the time and think it's normal, but when it happens to you it's not all that fun. It's okay to disagree and even dislike Ellen Pao. It's okay to think she's a bad CEO and should step down. It's okay to call her out on it and say "you're a shit CEO and you're ruining my favorite site" if you think that is true. I am only saying it's perhaps not constructive or ethically justified to call her such awful slurs.

I'm not even taking a stand here. For what it's worth, I do not think she is a good CEO of reddit, as she doesn't seem to understand the culture or have grown up with it. There are lots of people who grew up with the internet and sites like reddit, and they seem to have a better understanding of the values these communities treasure (e.g. no censorship, even of awful things we disagree with). I'm not defending her. I'm simply saying that calling her really vile names is cruel, and I want to voice my disagreement with those people.

[–]Marsdreamer 778ポイント779ポイント x2 (88子コメント)

The last month and two incidents regarding Ellen have made me significantly question whether or not I want to continue to be a part of the Reddit community.

It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community. Never, and I mean NEVER, in all my years of being a part of internet communities/online game communities has opinions of violence and Nazi imagery been so widely approved of.

It honestly has left a very bitter taste of Reddit that I don't think will ever dissipate.

[–]itsnotnews92 90ポイント91ポイント  (5子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. I've only been part of this community for a year, and I've enjoyed every minute of it with the exception of the past few weeks.

It disgusts me to see such vitriol thrown around over issues that really don't affect the average redditor. We're going to compare questionable decisions by the leadership of an online community to Nazi Germany? Really? Reddit is that important to people that they have to go to such extremes in their rhetoric?

Reddit is slowly turning into a toxic place.

[–]ooobs 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

One thing you said jumped out at me--that reddit is slowly turning into a toxic place.

I don't think that's quite accurate. I think reddit has long been full of nasty horrible little shits. People being openly racist, perverted well beyond kinky, the kind of stuff that makes you say "that's it, I'm done with the Internet" and mean it. These people (or more accurately, these accounts) were around since the beginning of reddit, or close to it. They created their subreddits and their alt accounts and did their thing, and however unsavory it was, most users didn't care because it stayed where it was--it didn't "leak" into the rest of the site.

What's been fascinating is that over the last few years, the proverbial turd has been stirred. There are subs dedicated to finding the weirdest, grossest, most depraved subs, shining a light into those dark corners. On top of that, the admins have started to flush them out, which has had the result we've seen recently of the front page takeovers.

Reddit is like a kitchen. There is poison under the sink and soda in the fridge. It can stay like that for years until someone decides to mix everything up. The amount of toxicity hasn't changed, but now it's all tainted.

[–]cosmicblaze454 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why you avoid most big subs. They were tolerable but now they are just being assholes.

[–]petit_cochon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There has been an incredible amount of Godwinning, that's for sure!

[–]redditmakesmegrumpy 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, 'once the mirror breaks' for you on Reddit it's hard to stay on the site. I pretty much visit small subreddits exclusively but there's always a nagging feeling in the back of your mind that you're swimming in the same waters as a pack of piranhas.

[–]pottersquash 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Utterly agree. During the blackout I was so happy. All the mega threads down but, at least for me, all my small subs tugging along doing the stuff we always do.

[–]MrBojangles528 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want drama, I'm just here for the /r/gardening

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    [–]nolander 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm just hoping a lot of those people actually follow through on their threats and leave Reddit for Voat.

    [–]JackDT 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The last month and two incidents regarding Ellen have made me significantly question whether or not I want to continue to be a part of the Reddit community. It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community.

    Agreed. And the "It's just a vocal minority" argument is hard to take when there are literally days when the majority of the top 10 stories on the whole site are titled "Ellen Pao is a cunt."

    [–]Gian_Doe 22ポイント23ポイント  (21子コメント)

    If it's any consolation, the majority of users aren't saying this shit. It's like anything else, there's a very vocal minority but most people are reasonable.

    That's not to say I don't agree that changes should be made, but people like me aren't expressing our mild disapproval all over reddit, creating subreddits and petitions. Reddit fucked a few things up, having worked in the corporate world for a very long time I know big mistakes happen even when there are a lot of smart people with a lot of money making decisions. Whatever - just don't think those people are the majority of reddit - lots of normal people are lurking in the background too.

    RES filters are awesome, I highly recommend them. Add "Pao" "nazi" "justin bieber" "comcast" "time warner" "bernie sanders" just to name a few - helps curb the circle jerk. And now that I've pissed everyone off, time to get back to work - sorry!

    [–]Marsdreamer 56ポイント57ポイント  (15子コメント)

    I get what you're saying, and while the majority didn't say those things, they did upvote. Which at the very least means they agree with what was being said.

    That's what bothers me the most. Be mad all you want, vent and swear. But you cross a line when you start discussing violence and using Nazi imagery. The fact that those who did cross that line didn't get downvoted immediately is unsettling.

    I expect more out of this community than that.

    [–]Hey_Man_Nice_Shot 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It makes me sad that not enough of us were downvoting that crap so that it wasn't seen, or just to send a message that immaturity to that level shouldn't represent Reddit.

    [–]gophergun 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I don't think that anyone (or most, at least) ever intended to seriously compare her to Hitler. I think the Nazi and Stalinist imagery was always intended as hyperbole, a joke playing on a real emotional core of frustration with lack of representation.

    [–]Gian_Doe 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    That's the thing, most of us didn't upvote that stuff. I have filters blocking most of it anyway so I didn't even see it to downvote it.

    The only time I see that stuff is on mobile because I don't have RES on my phone.

    [–]Marsdreamer 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Unless I misunderstand how the upvote system works, in order for something to reach the frontpage it has to receive more upvotes than downvotes.

    The majority of Redditors with accounts do not significantly alter their front page. So while you might not have seen it because you've unsubbed from the main subs, those posts still had thousands of upvotes at 80+ approval ratings.

    Which means they were being upvoted by the majority.

    [–]Gian_Doe 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    But you're looking at the majority of people who are inclined enough to take action on it. Most of us just ignored that stuff in one way or another, a vocal minority who are invested in the situation went out of their way to upvote anything related to it.

    Maybe I'm part of the problem because I didn't do anything about it. That's why I made my original reply to you, there are a lot of us in the background who weren't saying or doing anything about it. I just added new filters to RES and enjoyed my holiday weekend. Not going to waste my time thumbing through reddit downvoting a bunch of kids. But I will take my time to let you know there are people like me lurking in the background and don't worry because we make up the majority.

    [–]colepdx 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Maybe I'm part of the problem because I didn't do anything about it.

    I think you've just stumbled across the reason why Reddit policy has shifted to "doing something about it" instead of just letting upvotes/downvotes sort everything out, because folks upvote some vile shit.

    [–]EatMyBiscuits 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You misunderstand how people engage with the voting system if you think people are actively downvoting content in the same way they are actively upvoting it. The vast majority of people don't vote at all, they just read the funny things and move on. A post can make the front page with just a few hundred votes (or less, depending on the time of day), so the vast vast majority of readers aren't even involved, let alone actually voting. The people who do vote are mostly seeing things that have bubbled up to their front page 1/2/3/4 and are then agreeing that this content is something they found valuable (after it has already gain some amount of traction) and push further up to the people who are less likely to vote on it. It takes a different mindset to actively downvote a thing - mostly people just pass it by unless they are s appalled that they are pushed to action. Most downvoting that is effective will happen in /r/new and the downvoted posted will never see the light of day for the vast majority or people.

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        [–]RedneckBob 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community. Never, and I mean NEVER, in all my years of being a part of internet communities/online game communities has opinions of violence and Nazi imagery been so widely approved of.

        That is exactly what they want to happen, a tiny minority is trying real hard to sour the waters. It would be best of we protected our community by standing up to this small minority, down vote the shit of out their whiny threads, and push back on their posts.

        Everyone is standing around with their hands in their pockets while Reddit burns.

        Grow a pair people.

        [–]quarterburn 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I find I'm distancing myself from online communities in general. Gamergate started out as a call for cleaning up gaming journalism. Then it seemed like almost instantly people were descending into toxic madness to get their point across.

        It feels like it's happening all over again with this. The mod revolt did a lot of good and moved things (hopefully) into the right direction. The personal attacks on the other hand make me want to walk away or (more realistically) flee to the super specific subreddits.

        [–]telestrial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The swastika spam was my favorite. I never browse /r/all but someone mentioned it. I decided to take a look and Jesus Christ. The height of discourse...

        [–]Newyauchcity 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I couldn't agree more. After using local BBS's I joined my first internet forum 20 years ago, in 1995. I've watched some serious shit go down in a lot of various communities, but none of it compares to what has been directed at /u/ekjp. From being called Hitler, to people making fun of her ethnicity, it has been utterly appalling. And you know, I found the FPH bans questionable (though personally to my satisfaction, fuck those guys) and I feel bad that no one seemed to come to Victoria's aid and realize that she was doing Reddit a service by not just being a sycophant. But frankly, I couldn't care less if Reddit lost the worst members we have, those doing illogical shit like comparing the CEO in charge of a few controversial decisions to a perpetrator of one of the most vile displays of genocide the world has ever seen, EVER.

        So yes, maybe Ellen has some explaining to do, but some of you have some major growing up to do.

        [–]Rytlockfox 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

        /r/shitredditsays and /r/circlebroke helped me stay sane during all of this.

        [–]lik-a-do-da-cha-cha 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

        That's an oxymoron.

        [–]Rytlockfox 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I just needed an opposing viewpoint. Reddit has been vile about all this, it was nice hearing other opinions I wouldn't normally hear.

        [–]TheFailClub 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Honestly, the worst part of Reddit isn't the admins doing stupid shit, it's the community overreacting to all of it.

        [–]Stuntsheep 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I upvoted all of those. Not because i thought she is a nazi, a cunt or whatever other vile thing said about her, but because every reasonable discussion somehow got nuked by mods and/or admins. So how do you fight censorship? How do you make a reasonable discussion possible? You flood them with so much shit, that censorship is impossible and everyone get's informed. It's not like people saw the nazi pictures/Victoria spam and didn't research why people posted it? Are there better ways? Certainly. Is it a legitimate strategy? Certainly. Did it work? I believe it played a big part in getting to the discussion we are reading right now.

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          [–]TheEw0kGamer 945ポイント946ポイント  (54子コメント)

          Internet entitlement, it's the worst.

          [–]Iniesto 401ポイント402ポイント  (33子コメント)

          This thread makes redditors look like idiots for the most part..

          [–]gizzardgullet 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Redditors like /u/good_jarsh_jerker are saying level headed things and getting thousands of upvotes by other redditors. I think we should wait until the dust settles before we judge this thread.

          [–]SeeShark 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's partially why we can believe the "vocal minority" narrative - the upvotes on reasonable comments far outnumber the ugly replies.

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            [–]Powerspawn 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Because they are. Have you seen Reddit this past week?

            [–]goodstuff10 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I agree. Christ she's responded reasonably well and all of the shitty responses show why she shouldn't have to care about some of the idiots here

            [–]DORTx2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Everything that's happened since the fat people thing has made redditors look retarded.

            [–]ToxicPancakes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm currently looking at positive scores for Ellen and it makes me a little happy- and somewhat smug..

            I agree that people calling her terrible names and literally saying they want her dead (WTF?!) was/is way fucked up, people need to tone it down. But seeing her actually engaging the community, something even the quietest of Redditors have been thirsting for, and getting positive scores? It's what reddit has needed and the more she put it off, the more she alienated the userbase, and now look. Thoughtful responses, more than one response to a thread, actually having a dialogue with the users of this very vocal site, and they're already more accepting as a whole.

            Yea, there may have been downvotes earlier, but currently everyone on of her comments is positive. I'm proud of Ellen for taking a chance and talking, and I'm proud of reddit for taking the time to seriously consider what she has to say. Yes there are unanswered questions, yes these are merely words, but jesus, at least the users and Mods are being acknowledged finally.

            Everyone deserves a gold star and a lollipop.

            [–]Cultofluna7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I really want to punch just about everyone in this thread. She gives a genuine response to questions and we have children doing what they do best after her response. I wish I could put some of these people in their place. I'd wager that a lot of these people don't even give an ounce of a shit about the issues of reddit. They're just doing it to fit in and be cool!

            [–]wasniahC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Does it? I'm scrolling down and everything's looking pretty reasonable. If you're expanding all the comments all the way, including the ones people are downvoting, then yeah, every thread makes redditors look like idiots.

            Actually, a lot of them make redditors look like idiots without doing that, too.

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              [–]deHavillandDash8Q400 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Seriously. Folks, this is literally just a website. It's not life, and if it is for you, you need help.

              [–]DoctorSteve 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

              This is what I don't understand about this whole thing.

              So there's always a side that wants to cause chaos. And there's always a side that's going to defend/white knight something no matter what. But now those sides are clashing over Reddit, and it's really mindfucking me.

              So we have the people who want to cause chaos, saying "Ellen Pao sucks! Down with Reddit!" and we have the White Knight side, saying "I hate Redditors". What the fuck is going on?

              [–]bluebirdinsideme 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I find it hilarious that you are actually being downvoted. Wow.

              [–]Metalhed69 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Well, except for the people who lost their jobs.

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                [–]Lolworth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                http://i.imgur.com/OZDgrdX.gif

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                  [–]JoeLithium 62ポイント63ポイント  (13子コメント)

                  People are fucking cruel. Maybe I'm nieve or just easily pleased, but when someone apologizes and takes responsibility for something I tend to let it go, maybe not instantly, but now the proof is in the pudding.

                  I don't know Ellen Pao personally. I've read things, I've heard things, and I've experienced a few things in the context of being a member of reddit.

                  Let the actions speak for a while people. If shit doesn't get better THEN take up for pitchforks.

                  [–]neurorgasm 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Let the actions speak for a while people. If shit doesn't get better THEN take up for pitchforks.

                  I'm not overly invested in this one way or another, but it seems like that's what people have already been doing since she took over.

                  [–]Papa_Hemingway_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Hi nieve, I'm Dad

                  [–]Ex_Outis 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  If shit doesn't get better THEN take up the pitchforks

                  Yeah, thats what we said after The Fattening.

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                    [–]tyrico 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I tried to tell someone in another thread to stop calling Ellen Pao a cunt if he wanted to accomplish anything with this "movement" and he proceeded to just call me a bunch of names too. I agree with everything he had to say except his use of name-calling.

                    People are silly.

                    [–]outofband 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

                    That's what I always said to people who were insulting her, and got downvoted/ignored. Why do people think that posting the face of a person photoshopped in front of a nazi flag is making a point?

                    [–]EnviousDan 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I upvote her just because it's the fucking CEO and it adds visibility to her comments. I can't find shit when everyone goes on a rampage and mass downvotes someone.

                    [–]SeeShark 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Not to mention that downvoting everything she says creates the illusion she's not communicating with us when in fact she is.

                    [–]davidloach 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I absolutely love how people think downvoting her is really sticking it to her.

                    "Maybe if we downvote all of her posts, she will resign! Let's do it reddit!"

                    [–]SeeShark 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    it would have worked on me

                    [–]myhappylittletrees 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Agreed. It's frustrating to want to read and have an actual conversation with legitimate Q&A and having every answer downvoted to hell so that no one actually sees it.

                    [–]LL_Train 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Thank you for saying this. I know you're not the only one asking for calculated response from the community, but you're surely in the majority.

                    It's unfortunate that the hive-mind mob mentality of much of reddit has already deemed Pao as worthy of nothing more than being (figuratively) burned at the stake for everything she's done.

                    I, too, am unhappy with the unwarranted censorship and "corporatization" of Reddit Inc under Pao's leadership. However, assuming she can actually act on her words and this isn't just fodder to temporarily appease the community, then we should chalk this off as a win-win for everyone.

                    If not, then we should continue to press for changes at the highest level. As she said herself, the buck starts and stops with her.

                    [–]arkhound 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yes, the average redditor kept all those posts up with their upvotes to the extent that they had to start deleting the posts with bots. Sounds like it's not a minority.

                    [–]anotherpoweruser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    But if we just downvote her and upvote all the people calling her a cunt that proves we're right! /s

                    [–]ivegotfleas1 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm impressed she came to comment at all. She get's a ton of abuse on here, so it can't be easy.

                    [–]Goat_im_Himmel 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    So very true. For all I know, Ellen really is an incompetent CEO whose tenure here is hurting the site... but you know what? Like fuck am I going to side with people who think that is an acceptable way to have a dialogue about this. If that is the kind of opposition she garners, I just am led to assume that she probably is doing something right, because only terrible, terrible people would act like that.

                    [–]nonfish 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Haha, except those same people are the ones downvoting. You have to accept that sometimes reddit is collectively shitty, even if a few of us realize that sometimes there's more to it than what meets the eye

                    [–]JBHUTT09 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority

                    True. But this does not mean that the average redditor supports her, which her statements can easily be interpreted as claiming. Based on what I've seen, the average redditor is displeased with her and wants her gone, even though they don't spit the same level of vitriol as that rude minority. She needs to address the overall displeasure of the user base and not just shrug off all of it along with the vile insults.

                    Edit: When I say "redditor" I'm talking about users with accounts who actively participate, be it by posting, commenting, or simply voting. Users without accounts are visitors, not redditors, and they should not be a large consideration when talking about reddit policies.

                    Edit 2: /u/CaptainObviousMC said it best:

                    The thing is... She's absolutely right, I 100% don't care at all about this situation, reddit, or the moderators. I'm a pretty apathetic content sponge.

                    That fact is deadly dangerous to reddit, because the moment the content creators jump ship, I'll follow them like the fair weather fan I am, because I don't care -- at all -- where I get my content, or about which corporation or moderators are involved. If reddit compromises its content stream by having moderators jump ship, I'm out too, not because I care, but because I don't.

                    So she's right -- most reddit users absolutely don't care a bit about this, or the site, or really anything. And that's why she can't afford to piss off the moderators, who are the people who do care.

                    What's hilarious is that the reddit administration seems unable to see that most people not caring is precisely what makes the moderators caring so dangerous: they're wielding my caring by proxy, because they hold the keys to content.

                    [–]lucifers_cousin 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    FYI, the "average redditor" has no idea who the fuck Ellen Pao is (at least before this whole fiasco), considering few users ever make an account, even fewer vote/comment on posts, and barely any actually submit content regularly.

                    Redditors really do have no fucking clue half the time.

                    [–]xavierdc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Or who Victoria is. I bet most just hopped on the bandwagon to feel part of something.

                    [–]JBHUTT09 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    When I say "redditor" I'm talking about users with accounts who actively participate, be it by posting, commenting, or just voting. These are the people who make up the community of reddit and these are the people who should be considered first and foremost when making changes to this site. Users with no account are nowhere near as important as active users since they have much less of a stake in the policies of reddit and little impact on the site itself. They don't contribute. They only consume. Their interests should be very low priority, if a priority at all, because without the contributors there will be nothing to consume, and the consumers will leave.

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                      [–]scurius 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      sorry people are doing shit like that to you. you seem pretty sane and reasonable.

                      [–]ViktorV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      This needs to be upvoted harder.

                      WAY harder.

                      [–]michael22joseph 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      But that's not actually what she said. Yes, she said that "the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority," and it's pretty clear that this is in reference to all of the awful things that were being said. But the very next part of the NYT quote is "most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours," which I find to be categorically false. Most of the users were very interested, in one way or another, except for lurkers who don't make up a part of the real Reddit community.

                      [–]TheBostonPops 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Most of the users were very interested, in one way or another, except for lurkers who don't make up a part of the real Reddit community.

                      You sure about that?

                      [–]michael22joseph 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Obviously I don't have the data to back it up, but a large part of the active voting base of Reddit was concerned with what was happening. To say that most of Reddit was uninterested is dishonest, and in the face of a site-wide ruckus where the main message is that "the users are unhappy", the burden of proof is on the person who claims otherwise.

                      [–]lappro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      It would've been nice if that distinction was made in the NYT article though.
                      Edit: after rereading the quote:

                      But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours.
                      “Most of the community is made up of thoughtful people, and they can appreciate what we all do, even if we don’t always agree,” Ms. Pao said.

                      I don't actually believe anymore this distinction was intended in the article. "They can appreciate what we all do" seems to suggest that there were only 1. people calling her a Nazi etc. or 2. people appreciating and/or not caring what the admins do. Yet there was a very significant 3. part of people having serious problems with the way things are handled, that also happened to be the content providers and therefor the most important part of the website.

                      [–]theukoctopus 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      I mean sure, there are better CEOs reddit could have, but at least she's attempting an apology rather than remaining silent for eternity.

                      [–]OnNom 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      These are merely words and not actions. I might feel differently later when she actually does something positive to address issues with the site.

                      [–]theukoctopus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      One thing that would satisfy me is if the mods they are allegedly working with were free to discuss what is happening, and their views on it. I don't care what the admins think of their new tools because they won't be using them regularly.

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                        [–]redditj4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I would actually be curious as to the percentage of real redditors who upvoted/commented/posted about what transpired over Victoria's sacking and the subsequent drama/issues that happened vs. visitors/logged in visitors, etc. I dont even know if this would be possible!

                        [–]assumes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The assumptions have got to stop

                        [–]TheTaoOfBill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Honestly there should be something in reddit's algorithm that puts admin comments on top of the thread automatically regardless of vote count. Whether the comment is good or not an admin's comment probably should always be seen.

                        [–]NorwegianWood28 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'm glad to see her comment at 1520 points right now. It's reasonable.

                        [–]DoctorWaluigiTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        And yet more posts are still flying in with "but 170k isn't a vocal minority!", assuming she's talking about anything more than the flagrant insulters. Methinks people are seeing what they want to see.

                        [–]geoman2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Thank you for injecting some sanity into this post.

                        [–]Umaro2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The Internet will never stop entertaining me. Hopefully.

                        [–]realchriscasey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        /u/good_jarsh_jerker is a shit CEO and should step down.

                        [–]digitalpencil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I personally believe Ellen should step down, I believe the userbase has simply lost/never had trust in her leadership and for better or worse, it simply won't work moving forward.

                        With that said, the way this userbase has treated her as an individual has been fucking abhorrent. The internet can be such an incessantly cruel place, and it frankly wasn't warranted. We could have had a mature discussion but like always, we resorted to flinging shit at someone and kicking her until there was little left. FWIW i signed the petition and I wish to see reddit take a more responsible approach to monetization and the treatment of its staff, volunteers, core userbase and the internet generally.

                        [–]MirthB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        don't forget many of them are angsty teenagers.

                        [–]CookieOmNomster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I like you. "If you're going to cuss do it deservingly."

                        [–]GnarlinBrando 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        She did not make the distinction you did. If she had I would give her credit from that, but she side stepped.

                        [–]InternetWeakGuy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The ironic thing is there will be a bunch of people in this thread posting from multiple accounts varying between making critical posts and calling her a cunt, and those people will get banned, and then undelete and subredditcancer will point to the critical posts and say "SEE!!! She's banning anyone critical of her!!!".

                        You have to wonder if people don't realise how many people who go to the trouble of being hateful also go to the trouble of doing so from multiple accounts, using them to make their comments more visible. I got attacked by three people in an old thread the other day and when I looked into their history it was obviously the same person with three accounts, and the admins banned them immediately. But if I was pao, it would be three people who were banned for being critical of me.

                        It's just.... so dumb.

                        [–]americanpagesus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        This is a reasonable response.

                        No it's not. She had to say something to NYT to appease non-redditors, to ensure she'll be able to attract more capital. She knew the reddit users wouldn't like that article, though. So now she's here to "clarify" and "provide context".

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                          [–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 72ポイント73ポイント  (13子コメント)

                          The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority.

                          /u/MikeIsaac, can you confirm this?

                          [–]MikeIsaac 177ポイント178ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          Hi there,

                          Yes, I can confirm this. I asked Ellen about how it feels to be a target of brutal criticism and, often, outright misogyny and racism. Her response was to that in particular, and was not disparaging of moderators at large.

                          Also, as I said to Ms. Pao, if you read that quote in context, that is what is conveyed.

                          From the article:

                          "Reddit users have also questioned Ms. Pao’s ability to lead the company while dealing with major issues in her personal life. For nearly two years, Ms. Pao was embroiled in a well-publicized discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the venture capital firm. Ms. Pao lost that case in March.

                          But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours."

                          [–]Ysmildr 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          I think what muddies the distinction is that its immediately followed by "and that most of Reddit users..."

                          If those had been two separate comments, it would make the distinction of "most virulent detractors" a bit more noticeable. As it stands, it looks like there's either the virulent detractors, or the users who are not interested. When in reality, there's a large margin not calling her Hitler, yet still signing the petition for her removal. It makes it look like to her, that margin doesn't exist. Not trying to be mean or offensive by pointing this out, just trying to explain why most people are taking this part of the article the wrong way.

                          [–]MikeIsaac 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I think what you're saying is fair.

                          What's unfortunate and what seemed to give that particular line a life of its own is that it was ripped from the article without the context of the previous paragraph, which is why many folks seemed to misconstrue its meaning.

                          But I appreciate the feedback.

                          [–]kirbs2001 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I dont want to pile on (i guess i'm going to anyway), but what struck me about the last line was "over the past 48 hours". To me, and i guess a lot of folks, that seemed to refer to the subreddit shutdown, rather than the attacks on Ms. Pao that i assume have unfortunately been happening for a while.

                          I can see the context now, but I would rather not need to have it explained to me.

                          [–]st_gulik 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I took it that way and I read the entire article before seeing it posted on reddit. It'd be nice if /u/ekjp would clarify her view.

                          [–]jtriangle 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          But I appreciate the feedback.

                          And we appreciate you! =]

                          [–]lolthr0w 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours."

                          I think this part was what caused the confusion.

                          [–]wrigsam 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          The Internet can be cool sometimes. Ask a CEO about a newspaper article, then ask the reporter to confirm what she said. All in a matter of 30 minutes.

                          [–]amg 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I think that is why we all come here. Such a massive network of so many people. Interesting things happen here everyday.

                          Despite how angry and wrong we can be at one time, we can also be so beautiful.

                          Ugh. We're like a reflection of humanity. Congratulations Us.

                          [–]reddit_can_suck_my_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          OH THE MISOGYNY faints

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                            [–]JonLuca 211ポイント212ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            While I do not agree with a lot of the recent decisions, and the history of communication, I do have to agree with you on this - it was clear that you were talking about the extremely vocal minority who is issuing hate mail and death threats over a website and the slight changes within.

                            [–]GnarlinBrando 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well there is a vocal minority who is sending hate mail, there is still a much larger group of people who a rightfully and reasonably expressing their desire for Pao to go.

                            By addressing only the craziest bullshit it marginalizes everyone else who has legitimate concerns about how fucking shady Pao is.

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                              [–]ashlaaaaay 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              One of the most important qualities that a leader needs to have is the ability to inspire confidence and trust in those who are expected to follow. There may only be a small number of users who post in subs such as /r/paoyonyang, however the rest of us have many reasons not to entrust our faith in you based on your past and present actions, even if we are not as vocal about it.

                              [–]YankeeQuebec 61ポイント62ポイント  (15子コメント)

                              Over on change.org there was a successful petition to strip the NFL of it's non-profit status. This petition had about 400k signatures, and the NFL voluntarily gave up their non profit status. During an average month, almost 400 million people in the US will watch an NFL game. That means that with 0.1% of NFL viewers, the NFL changed their entire corporate structure, which will cost them tens of millions of dollars.

                              The petition to remove you from your position, or for you to step down, at this moment has about 175k signatures. With about 19 million unique visitors a month, 1%, or 10 times the percentage of reddit users signed a petition to have you step down, or fired, than got the NFL to change their corporate structure.

                              Since you are CEO of an internet company, you should know that only about 1% of the people on the internet, actually do something, meaning that the petition for you to step down has significantly more supporters than it looks.

                              Why this is important, is that an extremely small vocal minority successfully petitioned a multibillion dollar corporation to change their corporate tax structure which will cost them dearly, where as an even larger minority has called for you to step down, or be fired. Here you are just pandering to us, and trying to say that you said something else.

                              Ms. Pao, your comments were extremely rude to the people who make this site what it is. They show how completely out of touch you are with this community, of which you make your salary off of. And frankly, show how vain, and disconnected you are.

                              Here is the petition for you to step down or be removed.

                              [–]autowikibot 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              1% rule (Internet culture):

                              In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1-9-90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio), which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content. A related observation is that 1% of users generate the majority of revenue in free-to-play games.

                              Image i - Pie chart showing the proportion of lurkers, contributors and creators under the 90–9–1 principle

                              Relevant: Machinima Island | Netocracy | Pareto principle

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                              [–]Pave_Low 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Sooooooo, you really think the NFL gave up it's non-profit status because of the change.org petition and not, say, pressure from the United States Congress?

                              If so, I think you should become a pirate to slow down global warming.

                              [–]jfong86 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              change.org had very little to do with why the NFL changed its non-profit status. If the NFL hadn't already been planning to do it, change.org would have had zero effect. They changed their non-profit status because the accounting is easier, they don't have to release their financial information to the public, and they can hide CEO/executive salaries. It might cost them tens of millions in taxes but their revenue is $9-10 billion per year, so tens of millions is not even 1% of their revenue. You're acting like change.org was the only reason, it most definitely was not. (By the way, you said 400 million people in the US watch the NFL but your link says 202 million and the population of the US is 320 million.)

                              [–]Brownt0wn_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Did you read what she said? She was referring to the people who called her a cunt as the "vocal minority".

                              Do you still think the vocal minority is correct and she should recognize that? Because if so that is some incredible hatred that I doubt you'd embody if you weren't a pseudonym on an online forum.

                              [–]YankeeQuebec 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Did you read what she said? She was referring to the people who called her a cunt as the "vocal minority".

                              Of course I read what she said. And, she said this.

                              and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours.

                              Judging from the site, you barely see anything that supports her position, yet she make a sweeping generalization that most don't care. Again using my analogy, most people that watch the football games don't care if the NFL was non-profit, yet they decided to heed the calls of an extremely small minority of fans. Here we have Pao completely ignoring, and belittling the people who actually use this site.

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                                [–]beenwaitingforthisda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Clicked the link, the number is still growing. It's up to 187K now, will probably be at 200K soon.

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                                  [–]vorpib 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  This is a reasonable response, thank you

                                  [–]guruwin 137ポイント138ポイント  (202子コメント)

                                  I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users.

                                  Then why haven't ANY of your actions reflected this?

                                  [–]sauceDinho 639ポイント640ポイント  (182子コメント)

                                  Lol, what the hell. Why does the average redditor feel so slighted? I thought this was between the Mods and the Admins.

                                  [–]golf4miami 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Because the average redditors experience with this site is based on how the mods moderate their subreddits.

                                  [–]AFabledHero 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Expect a response from the mods of subs you have problems with.

                                  [–]loveyouinblue 378ポイント379ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                  Because they have nothing else going on in their lives.

                                  [–]MGLLN 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  "Reddit is my life!"

                                  [–]hitman6actual 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  All I do is produce content! This website is literally born upon my back!

                                  [–]camelCaseCondition 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  "Who is /u/johngalt?"

                                  - OP Shrugged (Novel; 2015)

                                  [–]Sentient_Waffle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I'm just here to watch the drama. I feel no strong way one way or the other.

                                  Although Pao's earlier dealings does seem shady as hell.

                                  [–]Stone_tigris 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  That made me chuckle; it's probably quite true.

                                  [–]billpullmanrocks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  AS an armchair analyst, I demand more!

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                                    [–]7V3N 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    As a Reddit user but also a Reddit critic (I feel the community is often a giant circlejerk and full of hate) I can see why people are upset about what happened--it was horribly managed--but outraged? It's no reason for the Pao insults and racist comments, not the "we need a Reddit alternative!" I understand redditors feel that their community is being harmed and they have no power to protect it, but why can we not organize in a positive and productive way? Instead it's just upvote anything negative about Pao, downvote anything that isn't part of the circlejerk.

                                    [–]sauceDinho 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Because I think the average lurker/redditor is too young to recognize when they are knee-jerking. I agree with everything you said especially the part about it being horribly managed. I wonder if any of this would've happened if they would've just alerted the mods before firing Vicotira.

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                                      [–]Studmystery 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      i honestly have no fucking idea what's been going on but i'll be damned if it's not entertaining.

                                      [–]ThisIsReLLiK 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      In reality the mods are just average redditors though, they don't get paid for what they do just like the rest of us don't get paid to be here. They aren't super redditors or anything like that.

                                      [–]sauceDinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      But I think they are "super" redditors or even just more average than the average redditor so they have a justified argument when they weren't informed before Victoria's firing. Everyone else just got angry to get angry.

                                      [–]ThisIsReLLiK 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I agree to a point, they do take on more responsibility for absolutely no reason, so they have that. I am glad that they are here doing what they do to make the site what it is. I completely agree with you though, everyone got angry just to get angry, that's how mobs work.

                                      [–]cpxh 40ポイント41ポイント  (125子コメント)

                                      After many many years on reddit, I've seen these kinds of things many times.

                                      People just want to get up in arms about something, but don't worry, in 6 months no one will care.

                                      This is like the Occupy Wall Street movement of reddit.

                                      [–]assblaster7 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      in 6 months days

                                      [–]cleroth 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      No way man! Reddit will die and be replaced with voat.co and base its inception on hating fat people! /s

                                      [–]Kenny__Loggins 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      "Dear le reddit, what is good site to go to other than readdit? (I'm seriously leaving folks. say goodbye)"

                                      [–]MintyFreshNipples 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      We all have to take it in turns to use the site though because it will crash if more than 2 people even look at it.

                                      [–]Mystery_Hours 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yep. This whole thing has already died down substantially.

                                      [–]dlbob2 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I've walked the mean streets of /r/starcraft for years, and before that game died there was a new bit of massive drama every week. Redditors love getting hyped, circlejerking for a week then moving on to the next jerk. It's quite fascinating.

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                                        [–]hootorama 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        As a user, I don't think I've been personally slighted. But I do attribute subreddit moderators as quasi-parents. They filter out the bad shit, do so much work behinds the scenes, and generally keep the subreddits from becoming absolute shitholes. And just like if a boss treated one of my real parents like shit, I'd have an absolute dislike for that boss.

                                        I feel that this site that I've spent so much of my time and that has entertained me for years would not exist in its present form if it weren't for the moderators, and so I'm pretty pissed that they've been ignored for years.

                                        [–]sauceDinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I completely agree with you about the moderators being quasi-parents and the only reason the site flourishes, but I still don't think the unrelenting and racist filled backlash was at all justified.

                                        It's like when taxes get raised or something and everyone wants to murder the President when he wasn't in the senate or the house and didn't even have a say.

                                        Edit* From where I see it, the major thing the Admins messed up on was not informing the Mods before Victoria was let go. Would any of this backlash have happened if not for that?

                                        [–]dirak 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        People invested in reddit, like hobbyists and content creators, feel slighted. Some of those people are Mods, most are users.

                                        [–]sauceDinho 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        I understand, but what did firing Victoria have anything to do with hobbyists and content creators?

                                        [–]chomchomchom 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        Recent years have seen a surge in oppressed racial minorities, women, and LBGTQ groups taking a strong stand against systemic discrimination that exists in America and abroad.

                                        Then you've got yourself a popular website, the vast majority of whose users (including yours truly) are middle-class, heterosexual, white males.

                                        They want to get in on some of this sweet revolutionary action, too. Problem is...they've got to find something which is oppressing them.

                                        Hateful and abusive subreddits deleted? Ellen Mao trying to trample and censor free speech. Employee fired for unspecified reasons? Corporate machine pulling the strings, admins are just puppets in a plot for world domination.

                                        It's both hilarious to sit back and watch the cringefest and depressing at the same time.

                                        [–]xavierdc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        TL;DR: Just a bunch of first year college brodudes and edgy teenagers that want to feel like they're part of something.

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                                          [–]dabMasterYoda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It's not. It's between the admins and the community. The mods act as a representation of the community because they were, and still are, a part of it themselves.

                                          [–]Se7enLC 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because if they read it in one thread and parrot it back in another, they are fitting in! NOTICE ME!!

                                          [–]PipBoy808 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because they have to do something between bouts of chronic masturbation.

                                          [–]FiftyFingerFurn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Yeah, to be honest the only thing that has even affected my reddit experience at all was the subreddit blackout which was actually because of the mods and the users. I wouldn't even know about this without that. Given I don't spend as much time on here as a lot of users.

                                          [–]GnarlinBrando 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Because the user base is what made this site successful, not admin, not corporate, not even the mods (at least as a whole) it is the people who have been here for years curating and contributing and the community values that were fostered in the early days that has kept this place going. Not fucking power hungry mods that got a tiny bit of sympathy for finally doing something with the blackout and them wimped out.

                                          [–]JorgeCS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          School's out. They should have waiting till after Labor Day to make any changes.

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                                            [–]AnOnlineHandle 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            What actions of hers can you even name? We literally have nfi what she's done at all, every single thing people are upset about are rumours and speculation.

                                            [–]jsmooth7 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            To be fair, the admins did start providing free subreddit advertizing this year, which has really helped a lot of small subreddits, including one I created. Let's not act like that all their decisions have been bad.

                                            [–]Defsing 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Because it's a lie?

                                            [–]raff_riff 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            With comments like these, I can't imagine why she wouldn't reach out to the community more often.

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                                              [–]razirazo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              And feel good about herself. And only herself.

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                                                [–]KingofSuicides 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We're literally the ones with the power to make or break reddit. Without the mods or core users, reddit doesn't exist. The Powers That Be haven't demonstrated that they understand this - it's said with words, but not with actions.

                                                [–]Zenodice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                mods and core users.

                                                I.e: people who control the content and top submitters of the content with 100k submission karma.

                                                so the rest of us plebes who only contribute comments and the occasional link/selfpost can get fucked, basically.

                                                [–]Stikes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Thanks for responding, its a lot more than I've seen or heard from other CEOs

                                                [–]Because_Bot_Fed 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                Why does your comment page show negative votes?

                                                http://i.imgur.com/zeag9UW.png

                                                But in-thread it shows massively upvoted?

                                                http://i.imgur.com/9KRMBDm.png

                                                edit: Mystery solved by /u/theseyeahthese - the same comment was posted twice.

                                                [–]theseyeahthese 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                She posted the exact same response twice. One of them is massively upvoted, the other is moderately downvoted. Make sure you are comparing the correct ones by looking at the "X minutes ago" time stamp.

                                                [–]Because_Bot_Fed 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Good catch. I didn't scroll down far enough, so I missed the duplicate, and since the duplicate was higher up the list (more recent) but this one older, but actually upvoted, the perceived disparity was kinda just glaring at me and I got stuck on that.

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                                                  [–]CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Most of the people who actually understand how Reddit works do seem to be on your side, including most of the moderators. I think they just used the admin hate train to pressure you to give them what they have been trying to get for years, long before you had anything to do with Reddit.

                                                  I also see why you didn't go to reddit as it would just be flooded with idiots who care about this. The majority of reasonable people don't care and therefore aren't voting. That only leaves the unreasonable and the highly involved users, and the unreasonable outnumber the highly involved.

                                                  [–]crankypants15 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I'm glad there are changes planned. Thank you.

                                                  From a user who is actually reasonable.

                                                  [–]laststandman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  A lot of what's happened in the past few months hasn't sat pretty with me, but it doesn't warrant the level of harassment that some people have shown you. Nobody deserves that sort of vitriol.

                                                  I don't like what's going on with reddit right now. I don't like how acceptable it's become to be so cruel without being informed.

                                                  [–]CitizenPremier 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                  The violently angry users certainly don't speak for most of us.

                                                  I agreed with the FPH bans, but I don't know if you're a great CEO or not. Regardless, the violent reaction in the community was disgusting and made me ashamed to say that I use reddit. I'm sorry you went through that, and I admire the fact that you've stuck around.

                                                  [–]tesfox 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                  I view reddit as another corner of the internet just like any other forum or *chan. Everything has its dark corners.

                                                  IMO reddit was founded as a platform for self-organization, with a hands-off approach to moderation that has been slowly whittled away, going all the way back to the whole /u/violentacrez debacle, and probably before.

                                                  [–]dazhealy 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  You owe everything to the mods and core users. There wouldn't be a Reddit without them, you and Reddit as a whole seem far too quick to forget that.

                                                  [–]Fletch71011 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  The thing is though that it is a lot of the content creators and mods that are being critical of you. It's the core user base more than the randoms just feeding off the content.

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                                                    [–]Furirukangaru 98ポイント99ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                    This isn't just a vocal minority

                                                    /r/funny alone has 9 million subscribers. 170k is a minority.

                                                    [–]WorkoutProblems 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    Let's be serious how many of those 9 million are active?

                                                    [–]budaslap 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    8 million of them are /u/gallowboob

                                                    [–]Bafflepitch 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    or people with multiple accounts.

                                                    [–]AnOnlineHandle 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    How many signatures are multiples?

                                                    [–]FarmerTedd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    When's the last time you watched Michael Keaton in Multiplicity? Good flick.

                                                    [–]factorV 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    probably about 170k

                                                    [–]JBHUTT09 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    That's why defaults are a bad way of judging user numbers. Anyone who makes an account is automatically subscribed to them, even if they never come back after day one.

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                                                      [–]Orierarc 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Well, /r/funny is a default and a sub that a lot of people don't bother unsubscribing to. It's stupid to say those people are all active. The average user has at least one alt account and there are a lot of people who haven't used their accounts in a long long time.

                                                      I mean you're definitely right about 170k being a minority, but /r/funny is a terrible way to compare it.

                                                      [–]eSsEnCe_Of_EcLiPsE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Lol have you considered retired, novelty, bots, and alt accounts?

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                                                        [–]CanWeBeMature 57ポイント58ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        Reddit had 163 million unique visitors last month, so I'd say "vocal minority" is pretty accurate. I think it's safe to say most users, like myself, don't care at all about Pao or the drama that's been stirred up recently.

                                                        [–]watchthishappen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Technically most users don't even comment and only come here because it's a link aggregate site that's popular. It's replaceable.

                                                        [–]donnowheretogo 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Exactly. I care about it only in the sense that I want people to shut up. I guarantee most people complaining about it have no idea what they're even whining about.

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                                                          [–]AFabledHero 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Let's make it clear that this petition can be signed an unlimited amount of times by clearing browser cookies. Fake information will successfully sign it, they don't check. Test it out for yourselves.

                                                          It's very unlikely that this is 170k different people or that they are all the most active content contributors.

                                                          [–]capitannn 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          It is. Personally I give absolutely no fucks and I'm sure millions more don't either

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                                                              [–]fatfrost 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              You must have done something bad in a past life. Trying to manage this site and run a business around it must be one of the few things that sucks worse than getting sexually harassed.

                                                              [–]aldenhg 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              What's your response to the petition calling for you to step down that's nearing in on 200k signatures? It was easy to ignore when it was just 10K but over the long weekend it got a lot more momentum. Do you think you can effectively run the site when so many users want you gone? Digg died because they alienated the users.

                                                              [–]hivoltage815 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Digg died because they pushed a code update that fundamentally changed and fucked up the system. I don't know why people keep comparing this to that, it's a total rewriting of history. Reddit still works and operates the same as it always has, short of users hijacking /r/all with their drama lately.

                                                              [–]aldenhg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              The code update was designed to take power from the users. This alienated the users.

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