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[–]Heisenberg_says_rela 93ポイント94ポイント95ポイント 13時間 前 (22子コメント)
"...it renders the voices of assholes inaudible." -Reddit community
[+]-nyx- スコアが基準値未満のコメント-21ポイント-20ポイント-19ポイント 4時間 前 (21子コメント)
Yeah, I don't have much sympathy for the "oh were being censored" crowd.
As far as I'm concerned banning subreddits like fph isn't what the protest is about.
[–]Ginx13 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 3時間 前 (18子コメント)
I cannot separate the two, personally. Censorship isn't about protecting anyone, it's about exercising control. When I see someone censoring others, even if I dislike/disagree with who is being censored, all I see is someone exercising power over another.
I would say the general problem here is that the admins of Reddit wield their power carelessly and without concern for the userbase as a whole. They attempt to control what is happening here, but the truth is they have very little power over how millions of people behave on their service, and any attempt to change this will fundamentally break the very spirit of Reddit.
[–]icallshenannigans 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
More to the point: it's about the stated goals at the time of the founding of the site.
You know... the ideals under which people joined and took part all these years.
[–]-nyx- 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間 前 (9子コメント)
Censorship isn't an all or nothing thing. All sites do some censorship by, for example, removing spam or users who break various rules.
Censorship absolutely can be about protecting people. For example by censoring people who try to share someone's personal information (name address etc.) and encourage people to commit acts of violence against them.
[–]Ginx13 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3時間 前 (8子コメント)
As someone who has been doxxed more than once, I'm unmoved by your argument that the illusion of privacy is meaningful. People who try to equate or connect words with violent acts will probably never sway me, though.
But in the context of this particular discussion... surely you know that this was not the problem being solved by censorship on Reddit lately, right?
[–]-nyx- -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間 前 (7子コメント)
It was an extreme example to show that the statement needed some qualifiers.
[–]Ginx13 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 2時間 前 (6子コメント)
I don't believe it does. I believe a social media site could operate with every single user's real name and address posted in their profile. If anything, it would force people to be held accountable for what they say because they are not hiding behind anonymity.
The fact is, people have hurt others long before doxxing, and most of the time when someone is hurt, doxxing had nothing to do with it. The number of instances when doxxing has resulted in violence are so few that this argument is irrelevant to me in the face of how many people have been harmed by censors.
Censors have beat down more doors and disappeared more people than any doxxer.
[–]-nyx- 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間 前* (5子コメント)
lol
I believe a social media site could operate with every single user's real name and address posted in their profile.
Yeah, lots of sites do. It tends to lead to people self-censoring a lot more than they do on reddit. It's also why reddit is reddit and not facebook.
The fact is, people have hurt others long before doxxing
I can't even
the number of instances when doxxing has resulted in violence are so few that this argument is irrelevant to me
I can only assume then that you have not understood the argument.
in the face of how many people have been harmed by censors
Who exactly has been harmed by censors? See the thing is, there is censorship and then there is censorship. Name one person who has been significantly harmed by a private internet site choosing to exercise their right not to allow people to say nasty things about other people.
I can only assume here that you are talking about people being censored by being killed or imprisoned by authoritarian regimes for writing things that said regimes did not agree with. That's not exactly comparable now is it?
By the way, every government I know of exercise some censorship. If nothing else they tend to censor people who want to share sensitive, classified material. There are very necessary and legitimate uses of censorship.
Perhaps this is not one of them but honestly I don't see why it wouldn't be.
[–]Ginx13 -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 2時間 前 (4子コメント)
You think the only censors who have ever hurt someone are government officials?
[–]-nyx- 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (3子コメント)
I think that there's a big difference between physically hurting someone to shut them up or banning them from an internet forum.
[–]natedogg787 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (5子コメント)
exercising power
I hate to break it to you, but they own the site and the servers it runs on, and they let you use it for free, with conditions.
[–]Decerez 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間 前 (3子コメント)
That's like saying Apple owns the iPhone, so they don't have to listen to customer's complaints. Sure they don't have to, but if they don't, nobody is going to use their product.
[–]natedogg787 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (2子コメント)
If every iPhone ever made was owned only by Apple but you got to use it for freeee
[–]Decerez 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
You're not the consumer of reddit. You're the product.
[–]polyethylene2 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
"This site... Ain't...freeeeeee" 🎶
[–]Ginx13 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, the difference between "can" and "should." It's not complex. People can do the wrong thing, that doesn't mean they should. It's not even in their own best interest for admins to act in this manner.
[–]LukaCola -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
You act as if things are being censored by topic...
Everytime someone tries to claim "X is being censored" I'm just baffled... It clearly isn't, it's being discussed regularly.
You might say "Oh well you can't stop that many people" yes you can. It's their site, it would be trivial to create an algorithm that removes any mention of a particular topic.
[–]MartialFur -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!
[–]-nyx- -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
I can only speak for myself but the protests really took off with the whole IAMA incident.
I support banning fat people hate and similar subreddits but I think that the firing of Victoria was a huge mistake and was handled appallingly by reddit staff. I bet I'm not alone in that.
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