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[–]KhabaLox 597ポイント598ポイント  (114子コメント)

Of the three "concrete" steps, only one, "Search" has any way to objectively measure success. Basically, you have allowed legacy search; I will assume what you've done addresses the concerns raised, but will leave it to more able/in-the-know mods to verify.

If the promises of "Tools" and "Communication are to be believed, you will need to lay out some measurable goals and targets, so that we can see that you are achieving them.

  • How will /u/krispykrackers "figure out how to communicate better"? Are you going to schedule conference calls, or hold scheduled AskAdmin threads? You should lay out a timeline for the next 3/6/12 months of what exact steps will be done to drive this process.
  • The work of two admins "with ... the moderators on what tools to build and then delivering them" is also vague. You need to commit to a date on when the first tool will be decided, and then on a timeline for delivering that tool. For example, by July 31, three "AskAdmins" threads will be published/held to discuss which tools are most desired by mods. By Aug. 15, Admins will announce the first 2 or 3 tools to be developed. By Aug 22, a project timeline will be posted as to when the tool will be delivered.

I feel like this is standard practice in business, especially with time-sensitive projects like software development. You just need to be transparent with mods with respect to information you should already be tracking.

[–]ssldvr 130ポイント131ポイント  (24子コメント)

Yep, standard project management. This should be very easy to comply with assuming they have a plan.

[–]TheCodexx 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plan? This isn't a plan, though. It's more promises. And not even clear promises. "More tools" means little if you don't give a spec. At least "legacy search" is clear and doable.

I look forward to being disappointed.

[–]hughk 34ポイント35ポイント  (21子コメント)

The people behind reddit may be very good developers but typically in startups with a lot of young people, project management isn't their forte. Typically they overestimate the time they have to develop whilst underestimating the time to handle other tasks. The other issue is when two or more work than on a project. The problem is that reddit is in a bit of a cross over phase.

[–]1millionbucks 59ポイント60ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not only that, but Reddit's culture is shifting dramatically and has lost a lot of the earlier enthusiasm we used to see. Check out this conversation with the admins from 5 years ago, the change is night and day.

[–]TheCid 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at the admins in that thread and count how many of them are still admins.

The reason the culture of the reddit admins has changed is because the reddit admins are completely different people.

[–]PraiseBeToScience 85ポイント86ポイント  (6子コメント)

This all happened over the holiday weekend and it's obvious they were blindsided by it all. Good project management includes time to make goals, define scope, and set dates. If you're just pulling this stuff out of your ass instantly then you're not doing it right.

Judging from my own personal experience, I could see something like this taking at least a week or two to sort through.

Right now what I'd like to see from them is not a detailed plan out to 3/6/12 months because it would instantly tip me off that they are full of shit and setting themselves up for failure.

I'd like to see a commitment to that plan being released in 2-3 weeks-ish. That at least tells me they're giving themselves time process the feedback they've gotten, brainstormed solutions to these problems, do some very rough planning to see which projects are the most desired/best to implement, and dedicated resources (time/people/money) to achieve them.

At least moving people into positions to start dealing with the problems is a good first start. I'm willing to see where this goes, but certainly not for long given past history.

[–]KhabaLox 43ポイント44ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good project management includes time to make goals, define scope, and set dates. If you're just pulling this stuff out of your ass instantly then you're not doing it right.

Sure. However, there is nothing in /u/ekjp's statement that implies that a timeline will be forthcoming. I simply wanted to point out the importance of A) having a timeline, and B) sharing it with mods/users. For example, she could have said something like:

We realize the importance of rebuilding the trust of the moderating team. To that end, we will be working hard over the next two weeks to put together a strategy to assess and address the top requests of moderators. By July 20th, we will publish a timeline outlining our goals and milestones.

I'd like to see a commitment to that plan being released in 2-3 weeks-ish.

I agree. When I said they "should lay out a timeline...." I didn't mean that should be done by today, just that it needs to be done. Two weeks seems like an adequate time to figure out their strategy on mod tools (hint, a fair bit of work should already be done on this).

[–]PraiseBeToScience 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure. However, there is nothing in /u/ekjp 's statement that implies that a timeline will be forthcoming

That's certainly something worth pressing for, especially given the complete lack of trust.

(hint, a fair bit of work should already be done on this)

Judging by their surprise, I wouldn't be shocked to discover that work is now garbage or needs to be set aside. I think a safe assumption is they need to start from ground zero.

Granted they shouldn't have been surprised at all, but that's in the past and thus can't be changed. I'm simply being pragmatic about it for the short time being.

[–]KhabaLox 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

that work is now garbage or needs to be set aside.

Could be. From the statement:

She will use your past and future input to improve mod tools.

They know what they are currently working on, and likely have (soft?) deadlines for delivery. They know the past input, so they have some sense of what is desired, and how that lines up with current projects. They are not operating in a complete vacuum, so I think 2 weeks makes sense for laying out a project plan.

[–]weffey[A] 132ポイント133ポイント  (63子コメント)

Honest answer: I don't want to commit to something, then have a internal discussion to realize that's not the best way moving forward.

[–]KhabaLox 152ポイント153ポイント  (36子コメント)

That's fine. You need to do your due diligence.

But given the situation, it seems prudent to commit to a timeline for making those determinations. You should be able to decide today or tomorrow what your goal is to decide on the first tool you are going to develop.

The important thing is not getting that goal 100% right, but getting that goal down on paper. Plans change as the project goes forward, so it's expected that dates will move forward or back on occasion. But if you don't have an initial goal, then there is no way to measure progress or success. Also, not having a deadline makes it hard (for me at least) to stay motivated and on track.

[–]CiD7707 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

To piggyback off of this. "If you can't make that deadline, communicate the issue to those it affects before it becomes a problem." I know it echoes what everyone is saying but given all that has happened, it can't be stressed enough.

[–]weffey 28ポイント29ポイント  (24子コメント)

Preaching to the choir :)

[–]got_milk4 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plans change as the project goes forward, so it's expected that dates will move forward or back on occasion. But if you don't have an initial goal, then there is no way to measure progress or success.

On this topic, the key is to communicate these changes as well. If your original estimate was three weeks too short, you should communicate that the projected release date has shifted three weeks ahead when you discover it, not 48 hours before the original release date comes.

[–]noobit 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

Honestly, once your cat murders you it's all moot anyways

[–]weffey 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

So true. I woke up to him nibbling on my arm this morning.

[–]CuilRunnings 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

With moderators getting all of these fancy new tools, could communities get just 1? Communities need a way to address abusive moderators. Contrary to what /u/ekjp and /u/lordvinyl think, users are not destructive... users are the "engine" of websites like this... not powermods. The users don't need all the fancy tools you are creating for the powermods, they just need 1.

[–]ChaosMotor 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

A better solution than catering to "powermods" is to not have powermods. Isn't that elitism what killed Digg?

[–]Faxon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an excellent post. They should do what's been requested but in a timely manner after evaluating their options before developing a road map. Not wanting to commit to something that ends up being a bad idea when they havent explored even the most basic of second options is always a poor idea, even if your initial idea seems genius at first. Without proper context, its just another idea like any other

[–]Travv 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pity you speak more like a focused leader than Ellen or Alexis

[–]316nuts 287ポイント288ポイント  (284子コメント)

How do you feel about various timelines and other goals that some subreddits have established as a way to keep you "true to your word"?

How will you measure success?

What is your time table?

[–]I_am_Rude 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

Can you link to some of those timelines?

[–]316nuts 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

check out /r/askreddit's sidebar:

The admins have agreed to better communication with mods and to release improved mod tools by September 30 2015, and new mod mail by December 31 2015.

Click to find out more.

[–]Werner__Herzog 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can an admin also acknowledge that Sept. 30th probably won't be the day they'll be done with project #1? I'd like to see a pragmatic answer. Sept. the 30th is the goal, but what are the possible shortcomings etc? What is realistic?

Edit: an admin already acknowledged

[–]crash__bandicoot 1445ポイント1446ポイント  (485子コメント)

what if trees had boobs. what then.

[–]wuzizname 453ポイント454ポイント  (112子コメント)

What happened to Victoria?

It's really none of our business what happened, I wouldn't expect them to divulge details on an employee's termination.

But your other points are spot on. On another note, does anyone else find it ironic that a big communications and news aggrigator site like Reddit has major problems communicating with their mods and users?

[–]Gilgamesh- 198ポイント199ポイント  (43子コメント)

Precisely. Employers do not talk about firings in case they damage the employee's future career.

[–]wuzizname 176ポイント177ポイント  (35子コメント)

And it's just unprofessional to air dirty laundry in public as well.

[–]BaneWilliams 156ポイント157ポイント  (34子コメント)

Having said that, I would like to know if it is contractual in nature that they aren't disclosing the reason vs choosing to. There is a difference between "were firing you and making sure you can't say shit about it" and "hey, sorry there are some issues and wish you well"

Neither kn0thing or ekjp have been like "we wish Victoria the best of luck in her future endeavours"

Now, to be fair, Victoria could have tortured a cat at the office while riding a male coworker with a strap-on, and we get it, neither side wants to talk about that, but given the direction Reddit has been taking, it seems likely to most rational thinkers that there is a not friendly reason for it.

Edit: Please remember that an ex admin had to remove his entire comment history in an AMA where he was likely just being honest. Gee, what does that stink of? And I'm usually such an optimist.

[–]wuzizname 51ポイント52ポイント  (8子コメント)

could have tortured a cat at the office while riding a male coworker with a strap-on

That got real dark, real fast.

[–]GringodelRio 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, seems like standard timing.

[–]lochlainn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's pretty slow by Reddit standards.

[–]IAmTheRedWizards 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like you've never been there before.

I mean, we've all been there.

Right?

Right guys?

[–]BaneWilliams 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a psychopath, and Reddit is my neural vomiting playground...

It happens.

[–]piyochama 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Neither kn0thing or ekjp have been like "we wish Victoria the best of luck in her future endeavours" Now, to be fair, Victoria could have tortured a cat at the office while riding a male coworker with a strap-on, and we get it, neither side wants to talk about that, but given the direction Reddit has been taking, it seems likely to most rational thinkers that there is a not friendly reason for it.

Why do they need to? I mean, we're talking about a private matter here. They have no need nor reason to talk about a former employee.

[–]Pzychotix 21ポイント22ポイント  (13子コメント)

"were firing you and making sure you can't say shit about it"

Pretty sure employers can't do this unless you sign something, and there'd be no reason to sign away a right unless you get something in return.

[–]verdatum 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Usually this signature is part of a severance agreement. You get a month's pay or whatever and in return, both sides agree not to talk about eachother.

[–]BaneWilliams 47ポイント48ポイント  (8子コメント)

Except they can sign things as part of their employment contract in the first place, and is common Silicon Valley procedure.

[–]stephiej17 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also very much a tech startup-y procedure.

I've signed something like this at every startup I've worked at.

[–]Boston_Jason 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Employers do not talk about firings in case they damage the employee's future career.

Not only that - but it is also a recruiting issue.

[–]crash__bandicoot 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Good point on Victoria. I was moreso meaning what made it so botched. Did they not think it was a big deal? Did they not think it needed to be communicated properly? Did they not think they should have had a plan in place ahead of time?

[–]GringodelRio 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The failure was creating anything that hinged on one person. But that's removed from any employee actions that took place. And since we don't know what happened that caused her to get let go, we can't assume it was pre-planned.

[–]squidfood 95ポイント96ポイント  (34子コメント)

It's really none of our business what happened

Reddit, really, is just the landlord of a church basement where all these community groups meet. If the employee who held onto the keys and let us in and was always so nice to us is suddenly fired, it's ok to ask questions and decide if we want to go to a different church basement where the landlord is nicer.

[–]zardeh 83ポイント84ポイント  (26子コメント)

But its also ok for the landlord to say "we let him go, and that's all I'll be telling you, because I respect my employees enough to not comment on why they were fired"

[–]squidfood 86ポイント87ポイント  (23子コメント)

But it's not ok to say: "We fired the person who sets up the PA system for the guest lectures. But no one around here knows where the keys to the PA closet are... no we don't care if you have a lecture tonight... and hey, we want to fool around with your future lecture schedule."

And it is ok to take that as a sign that the landlord doesn't really give a shit about the communities as long as the landlord is paid. Which is what you want from some landlords, but not from landlords who say that they're part of your community (and that they really will get around to fixing the bathroom, and you've been giving them a pass because they're community). You might want to find a new landlord, no matter how "professional" they're being about standard HR CYA with an employee firing.

[–]zardeh 105ポイント106ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yes, but you're conflating two issues.

Not commenting on why victoria was fired is correct, standard, good practice.

Firing victoria without any sort of plan/notice/thing there was terrible. It would have honestly been best if they had said "Hey victoria this sucks but we're letting you go in a few weeks [because reasons], we'll want to work with you and /r/iama mods and these other employees who are replacing you to make the transfer smooth and as painless as possible"

That didn't happen, either because someone is incompetent, or Victoria screwed up and deserved to be fired quickly, in which case someone still screwed up by not informing iama in a timely manner.

But those are still separate issues.

[–]GringodelRio 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

Uh, I think you don't understand how firing, immediate termination, goes. Nor should anyone here have this idea that there was a desire to actively fuck with people's scheduled AMAs. Immediate terminations happen based on budgetary issues to finding out your employee is doing something against your policies or illegal. Either way, that person gets das boot right then and there. There isn't time to go "Well, she's the only person who does this... so we'll let this infraction that should get you fired immediately slide until next week."

[–]XavierSimmons 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Any effort to get Reddit to explain why they fired Victoria is in vain. They simply will never comment. It is too great a risk.

Reddit's offices are in an employ-at-will state. Reddit is incorporated in an employ-at-will state. Victoria worked from an employ-at-will state. Reddit can fire her for no reason any time it wants.

What Reddit should not do is give a reason, ever. If so, they can be subject to a wrongful termination lawsuit.

So no, Reddit will never comment on why Victoria was fired. If they did, it would be the stupidest action ever (among all the stupid things they've done.)

Let it go. It's over. If you have to go to another basement, make the transition, because you're never going to get an answer.

[–]squidfood 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Fair enough. Just another example of why the startup/corporate mentality is such a poor fit for organizations that are fundamentally volunteer driven.

I stand by the fact that: if I associate with an organization voluntarily and willingly, it is perfectly fine to question whether they treat their employees ethically.

Saying "business reasons" for silence is akin to when the government says "sorry, state secrets" for illegal search and seizures. It may be "legal", but it doesn't help anything or make the organization more trustworthy.

[–]TeamOomiZoomi 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they told us things that are between them and Victoria, that would make them untrustworthy.

[–]redalastor 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really none of our business what happened, I wouldn't expect them to divulge details on an employee's termination.

There's a difference between terminating an employee and terminating a role. Why Victoria was terminated is none our business. Why that role is not being filled anymore absolutely is.

[–]RuskiesInTheWarRoom 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

In my opinion, Reddit could make a relatively strong statement by stating that they will continue to not discuss any specifics of her release at all, now and into the future, in order to preserve the professional obligation they have to former employees.

But that they also are now releasing her from any kind of anti-disparagement clauses or contracts that they have, and will allow her to speak openly and freely about any part of her employment at Reddit that does not release trade secrets/data, does not impugn any individual employee at Reddit outside of the scope of her obligations there, and does not violate needs art protections for the private individuals she interfaces with so regularly.

It would be a professional, but good-will effort. Let her choose if she wishes to discuss it.

[–]nosecohn 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even if that happened, if she's professional (which I suspect she is), she'd never talk about it publicly either. She has to convince other employers to hire her, now and into the future.

[–]qualitycabbage 70ポイント71ポイント  (6子コメント)

Agree. No direct addressing of the incident that kicked the whole thing off in the first place. No mention of the censorship concerns and draconian banning issues. It seems like they still don't get it, or do but don't really give a shit and are hoping everything will just blow over. This really just seems like a effort to temporarily placate everyone with a couple of token gestures and empty apologies while they continue on doing whatever the hell they feel like doing. Maybe they'll make a good show of giving a shit for a while, but I doubt it will last, given that even this post looks like it was copied from a generic 'heartfelt apology' template with a couple of details filled in.

[–]romulusnr 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

"We're really sorry, we're not really going to change anything of substance, and we don't really care, but our investors really didn't like all the bad press from pissing you bitchy little bastards off, so we have to pretend to kiss your ass."

[–]AmericanDerp 39ポイント40ポイント  (28子コメント)

EDIT: Thanks! I didn't know it worked that way for comments.

Hijacking for a question:

https://www.reddit.com/user/ekjp/comments/

Ellen Pao's comments are apparently -80272 karma in the past six months. How does she still have +11000 karma total for comments?

[–]Meneth 72ポイント73ポイント  (15子コメント)

Reddit has anti-brigading systems. They stop counting downvotes if someone's clearly being brigaded.

An example of this would be the Jackdaw incident, where people decided to downvote every single comment the person arguing against Unidan had made. Reddit pretty quickly stopped counting the downvotes she was receiving.

[–]bobcat 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

arguing against Unidan

Bullshit. u/Ecka6 was in the negative 5k's before Unidan was exposed as a spammer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/2ccn2d/iam_ecka6_im_caught_in_the_middle_of_the_unidan/

[–]Meneth 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

Sorry, I misremembered. Seems the -100 floor was added shortly after the Jackdaw incident. I think the anti-brigading measure was added around the same time, though I'm not entirely sure. Can't recall them publicly announcing it, but it's been seen in effect a number of times. Other than Pao's karma, it took effect when that one /r/Planetside moderator was having most of his history downvoted a month or so ago.

[–]Ecka6 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

They were gonna bring the -100 feature anyway, but I'm pretty sure they did it faster because of what happened to me lol. They even referenced the situation in the announcement post.

[–]mcagent 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

After a certain number of downvotes (100?) they counting towards your comment karma.

I think this was done because moderators had their comments downvotes into the thousands and were frustrated when their comment karma tanked.

[–]Zoten 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was done because of troll accounts that would have competitions to see who could get the most negative karma. This happened awhile ago

[–]Man_with_the_Fedora 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, this was implemented as a way of dealing with the downvote magnet "troll" accounts.

[–]BrotherChe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brigading algorithms will allow comments/posts to receive the negative counts but after a threshold within a given time, etc. will not affect the user's scores.

[–]Gilgamesh- 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anti-brigading measures, which are applied to all users: for the purposes of counting total karma, downvotes are weighted significantly less than upvotes are.

[–]Werner__Herzog 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Okay, I know y'all are mad etc. but after a slip up kn0thing was all over reddit (not just private subs) and apologized. Except none of his comments are visible because everybody downvoted them, cause apparently that's the adult thing to do....

inb4 my comment gets downvoted under the invisibility threshold (which you can switch off btw).

[–]wolfflame21 60ポイント61ポイント  (28子コメント)

Just for the love of god. Do not commercialize AMA's.

[–]AxsDeny 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is there a development roadmap of any sort for reddit as a software package? Being transparent about your goals will go a long way in getting buy-in from the mods that make this site usable on a day to day basis.

[–]ishkabibbel2000 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

This.

If you're able to show what things you're working on and give an idea to the things that we should expect, you might have more support.

Goals should always be measurable. "We're going to do our best, we promise" gives the whole of reddit nothing in which to hold you, as admins, accountable to your promises.

You need to set measured marks and then deliver on those marks.

[–]forgottenCode 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I imagine there is a roadmap, but we wouldn't like it if we saw it.

[–]damnthatsfuckinggood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont think there really is a development roadmap. all reddit seems to do is some bugfixes, and ocassionally a useless feature (aka the button)

[–]alystair 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

Just curious if /u/kn0thing will cover this whole fiasco in an upcoming episode of Upvoted, seems like a good medium to get story straight... although not so hot to publicize it to even more people.

[–]astarkey12 29ポイント30ポイント  (21子コメント)

One piece of feedback I'd like to add is that the site needs more community managers. Once cupcake left, the primary point of contact for most mods was gone, and this likely contributed to the breakdown in communication further worsening the rabbit hole of admin mod mail. /u/krispykrackers needs the support of community managers whose primary focus is handling issues we bring up, advising us when we need it, and ensuring our feedback is appropriately discussed.

If we had (let's say) 3 admins of /u/cupcake1713's caliber working in conjunction with krispy, the relationship would experience a drastic improvement. I understand this would be quite a serious investment in an area with comparably lower return (and that's more difficult to quantify), but the intrinsic value is incalculable. Essentially, the admin team needs more feet on the ground - there are a number of talented mods here who I'm sure would love to contribute in that way.

[–]Z0bie 16ポイント17ポイント  (15子コメント)

Can you give some more details on these tools and search changes, other than that you're planning on giving us them at some point?

This is all awfully vague...

[–]mcawesomebee 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm late to the party, but my job is a lot of volunteer management, and I think the real issue wasn't that you didn't deliver materials, but that you ignored the needs and wishes of your volunteers.

You need to review the way you handle volunteer, and community management, and not just in one small post. You might want to invest on some training for your management team about volunteer relations. There seems to be a serious disconnect with the management and the actual community - one that you can easily remedy by spending about 12 hours just fucking around on reddit.

[–]elquesogrande 97ポイント98ポイント  (4子コメント)

Glad you put this up, but this all blew up last week. The reddit leadership team issued statements to press multiple times but never engaged with mods until now. It's a fine example of creating your own crisis and then failing at crisis management.

SIMPLE MESSAGE TO ADMINS

This is about engagement with the reddit community and mods. Understanding what is working well, where the mod volunteers could use support, where creative ideas are bubbling up, and where collaborating can help make reddit a better (and profitable) place.

Instead, management is taking a doing things TO reddit community members and mods approach instead of with reddit.

IT IS NOT ABOUT TOOLS

Seriously. These are nice-to-have things but reddit has grown without them. It's about the community and collaboration and engagement.

The Victoria Taylor fiasco you created should be a guiding light. Instead, you keep dancing around the key lesson. She engaged with mods, understood needs, and provided a gateway into reddit management that allowed mods and communities to advance.

Step one in an apology should be an understanding as to why Victoria's work mattered and how you might be able to create better support systems / engagement with mods and the community to duplicate this behavior. Instead, we're getting vague hand-waving about /u/krispykrackers figuring things out...somehow.

It's already figured out. Engage, listen, collaborate, and set limits where needed.

WE CAN HELP REDDIT BECOME PROFITABLE

At what point did your fears of becoming Digg II overrule common sense that reddit needs to make money? That the community as a whole will not understand this concept?

You and your investors need to make money to keep this thing rolling.

Go ahead and sign up with a search engine company to monetize search tools. Get warrants and boost the value of a good, new search engine. Tie it into key advertising that matches with communities.

Virtually wall off NSFW areas for advertising so that you can get some of the revenues that way.

Get the Board together and make someone a full-time CEO so that you can set your own course. This interim nervousness isn't helping. Make a call. Any call.

Engage with the community to understand what might be more acceptable ways for reddit itself to become profitable. Ideas and thoughts seem to be locked in the reddit leadership pantheon.

Maybe show a little more humbleness if that's possible. /u/kn0thing comments on eating popcorn while reddit is burning sure is cute from a Silicon Valley On High perspective. Same with the CEO talking to press dismissing the very people that help to make reddit work. That's not leadership, though - it's the type of negative audacity that turns even us supportive redditors off.

THIS CANNOT BE FIXED - IT CAN EVOLVE

Time to put on your big-reddit pants and adjust your leadership style or this empire is going to crumble.

Collaboration is key. Time to really reach out and work together. Or throw tools and communication quips into a burning building and issue press releases while Rome burns.

Honestly, there is a strong core of mods and redditors here ready and willing to help out. To help lead. It's up to you to honestly reach out for assistance and to open those communication channels.

[–]splattypus 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very well said.

You can do it with us, by keeping mods in the loop, offering guidance about how you wish them to react when efforts to monetize the site overlap with their subreddits (i.e., ads as you mentioned with the NSFW stuff, brilliant idea), or it can happen by forcing the site to go against the grain of the community and its traditions.

Users want reddit to succeed, or we wouldn't be here at all. Mods can be a great ally in assuring that everyone attains their goals. But not if we're kept in the dark and expected to adapt and keep up to every change or 'feature' implemented seemingly on a whim with little directive and less followup support.

[–]Werner__Herzog 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well put, we need more pragmatism.

[–]twilightsun 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

[–]interestedincat 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

Will you defend the mods/users to the press/blogs who frequently steal content from Reddit only to then mock the userbase?

[–]stopscopiesme 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

What changes will be made in regards to how r/reddit.com modmailing works? It's a terrible system for those admins and for us, and many of our messages go unanswered. That modmail is the main line of communication between admins and users (including admins and mods) and it needs fixed ASAP.

The global rules are not enforced consistently and reports of violations are not actioned consistently. General questions (not reports) to r/reddit.com modmail go unanswered. Is this because the community management team does not have enough workers, or because their tools are so poor, or both? Whatever the case, how will you fix it and what is the timeline?

The global rules do not make it clear exactly what I should report, and how. So maybe I end up sending messages to r/reddit.com frivolously, and maybe that's why so many are unanswered. But I don't know, and I can't know, because no one is communicating with me.

(And I am one of many whose messages are not being answered.)

I would most like to see more communication between the community managers and the users. (Namely krispykrackers, sporkicide, and ocrasorm, who have the most experience dealing with us).

Mentioning /u/krispykrackers since this might now be up her alley

The current way things are being done is barely bearable. I'm begging for an answer here.

[–]AaronFriel 60ポイント61ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hi Ellen, Alexis (/u/ekjp, /u/kn0thing)

I'm writing to make a simple plea for the future transparency of Reddit. The opacity and the impact that has on users and moderators has made everyone see red, and not the good orangered sort. The problem, as I see it, is that every time Reddit the Company decides to do something, the community only finds out after it's been implemented and decided upon. Whether this is with changing policy regarding AMAs and /r/IAmA, or banning a subreddit for being harassing, deciding that brigading is not okay, etc. In each of these cases, policy came on the heel of action, that is, someone was fired, people and subreddits have beenbanned, and users have seen themselves shadowbanned.

That doesn't strike me as excellent stewardship for a community of millions of people. Reddit the Community finds out after Reddit the Company decides, and in many cases, has already implemented the change. Shadowbanning wasn't a thing when I first started using Reddit. Heck, brigading also wasn't even a thing people talked or were concerned about. But now we have people being banned and subreddits being threatened with removal themselves if they don't comply.

A great step forward for regaining the trust of the users, and not just the moderators, would be to make these policies clearer, and announce changes in advance of their implementation. Please, stop surprising Reddit the Community with all these changes. Announcing changes in /r/DefaultMods or /r/ModTalk doesn't count, either. Those are private, secluded communities.

And let's talk about shadowbans. That's some Newspeak level, peculiarly manipulative censorship. From the outside, and because of their nature, it seems like they're being abused. Maybe they aren't, maybe everyone on Reddit is lying about the circumstances of their shadowbanning. That's fine: but other users have no way to check. We can either take your word for it, or we can take the word of dozens or hundreds of accounts who appear to be shadowbanned for criticizing Reddit, or otherwise breaking obscure rules.

Please end shadowbanning. It's unverifiable from the user's perspective. We can't tell if people are being silenced for criticizing Reddit, or those users are trying to deceive us to think that it's so. If it looks like Reddit the Company is actively censoring and silencing people, and the way it's done is so that it's indistinguishable from a user deleting their account, then naturally people are going to get a bit on edge, a bit suspicious. End that suspicion by ending the practice. Give the moderators better tools to deal with users who are disruptive, or make bans obvious. Don't shadow ban people, as Shia says, just do it it and make it obvious. Make it so banned users see a giant "banned" banner, and make their profile show that they have been.

All this secrecy, all this opacity from the users just makes everyone suspicious of everything you do. How could you be anything but the villains now? It seems like all of this started in the past year or two, with a massive increase in the number of shadowbans, and with actual Reddit communities being banned (but announced after the fact), it's hard for us to trust the company.

P.S.: This was sent as a press release to Buzzfeed being before posted on Reddit? Consider the effect that has on the community. Buzzfeed journalists find things out before we do.

[–]gconsier 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

This should be the post on /r/bestof not the others. I regret that I have but one upvote to give (and I swear I only gave one, please don't shadowban me)

[–]AaronFriel 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, if you share it to /r/bestof I will surely give it my upvote.

[–]Reductive 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm wary of your comments on shadowbanning, because shadowbans have been around since before I created my account over 5 years ago. I'm not sure how long you've been around, but my understanding is they've always been available, in addition to regular bans, as a method to delay the time it takes for a spammer to realize they're banned and make a new account.

When you say they weren't "a thing" in the past, maybe you're referring to the use of shadowbans on accounts that are clearly not spammers?

[–]atomnapier 294ポイント295ポイント  (35子コメント)

Popcorn tastes good.

[–]AnEmortalKid 36ポイント37ポイント  (21子コメント)

man if i wasn't in the whole "don't give gold" train, I'd give you gold.

[–]MarioneTTe-Doll 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gold is almost an insult at this point if it wasn't from pre-purchased stock. There are thousands of better things to do with $5. /r/frugal and /r/buyitforlife, among many other good subs, would be happy to show people, too.

[–]pedroso100 18ポイント19ポイント  (14子コメント)

So you got gold by saying "don't give me gold"?

[–]captainbling 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

i hear saying "use addblock" will give +1 on gold rolls

[–]Kongo204 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What do I roll for gold? I'll try a d20.

Oh, "use adblock."

[–]AesHS 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit doesn't like being told what to do.

[–]stumblepretty 146ポイント147ポイント  (30子コメント)

The effort is appreciated, but, like you said, there's not much faith left in the admin team to provide support to the moderators after a lot of empty promises. There will need to be a drastic and tangible improvement to moderator support before anyone trusts this whatsoever.

[–]RampagingKoala 120ポイント121ポイント  (33子コメント)

Hi Ellen, I would like to call out your remarks where you said "The majority of Reddit users are uninterested in Victoria's dismissal and the subreddits going private".

As a mod on a smaller, but popular sub, that really stung. It reeked of condescension, and to be honest, that statement makes it difficult to trust that you're actually serious about making changes. A lot of people have made statements to the effect of "you're right, but you pissed off the content creators and mods, and that's more important", and I agree with that wholeheartedly. If you think so little of the people who mod and create content for reddit, why should we care that you are apologizing now, and why should we believe that you are serious? Your statements seem in bad taste at best, and inflammatory at worst.

I want to believe that you are serious about making these changes, but I would really like some insight on your comments that you made there, and what the reasoning was behind them.

[–]_marc_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Ellen, I would like to call out your remarks where you said "The majority of Reddit users are uninterested in Victoria's dismissal and the subreddits going private"[1] .

Actually, she never said that. It's a misquote from thesocialmemo.org. Here is the original New York Times article where thesocialmemo.org blatantly misquoted.

[–]lasershurt 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're making a jump that I can't follow between "I would like to call out your remarks where you said "The majority of Reddit users are uninterested in Victoria's dismissal and the subreddits going private"" and "If you think so little of the people who mod and create content for reddit".

She made a true statement, which had no connection to the vast majority of those who mod and create content. How did you turn that into something negative against mods/creators?

[–]RampagingKoala 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because the lack of communication with the mods and the rest of reddit gave it a context of her talking smack about us behind our backs to the press. I am sure that it was just her quoting statistics to a reporter, and that's fine. But a lot of people were upset that Victoria got fired, and a lot of people were upset about the lack of admin presence, and the context behind that comment now becomes "you think you're actually having an impact, but you're not, because most people don't care, and even though you do all the work that you do for this site, you're still just a drop in the bucket to us". And that's what stings. That even though we do a lot for this site in our own way, we're still lumped in with the lurkers.

[–]lasershurt 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess we just read that differently. If I'm someone who cares, and she says that, I just assume she's talking about a different group of people, not subtly throwing shade at me.

[–]mmmsausages 358ポイント359ポイント  (48子コメント)

What a joke. You didn't even communicate to the community first, and instead went to a media outlet, what makes you think anyone wants to listen to you anymore.

[–]wuzizname 206ポイント207ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's what happens when you fire your PR / Communications person.

[–]AnEmortalKid 56ポイント57ポイント  (17子コメント)

Because 85% of reddit doesn't care. Then why make an announcement right?

[–]RedneckBob 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yup, the bulk of reddit doesn't care and 200k signatures is nothing in terms of the overall user base.

[–]GarrioValere 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's exactly what's dangerous to reddit's future. The bulk of reddit users don't care about reddit at all. It's not a community or a home for them, it's just where the content happens to be. And it's only where the content happens to be if those who do care stick around.

[–]Fatigue-Error 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was long overdue. You really should have come here earlier this weekend. At least when the subs started going dark. You need this audience more than the general public. Still, this is the apology I wanted to see. This is the apology that directly addresses the issues your content creators and mods care about. Yes, you'll still get downvoted by many, and yes, many will still be skeptical. But, that shouldn't keep you from talking to this core audience.

Anyway, thank you for the apology. It is meaningful. I hope you and the other admins will continue to engage publicly, and not just in private subs. Unlike most of us, you actually get paid to be on Reddit.

[–]honestbleeps 55ポイント56ポイント  (18子コメント)

I know these are just words, and it may be hard for you to believe us. I don't have all the answers, and it will take time for us to deliver concrete results. I mean it when I say we screwed up, and we want to have a meaningful ongoing discussion.

No matter what is said here, people are going to be skeptical and not believe it and I'm glad that's being acknowledged.

I hope that there's a good avenue for meaningful ongoing discussion. It may need to be segmented into different groups.

I also think that reddit faces some extremely large challenges that most users don't really fully understand or empathize with. I understand that to a certain extent you have to keep things close to the vest (especially as it pertains to how you deal with spam, harassment, etc) - but there are greater community challenges that I feel reddit as a whole (staff-wise) has avoided facing that I would love to see.

I don't want to get too /r/TheoryOfReddit here, but I think there are some fundamental issues with the way reddit is structured that suggest to me it has outgrown its (conceptual, not technical) architecture. I would love to know if any of the reddit staff feels the same, or if they are hardline on their stance that "the system works"

  • "let the votes decide, always" has been the stance of many a reddit admin I've spoke to both in person and online. I think Reddit is too big for this to be true anymore, and you've validated that yourself by removing cancerous subreddits, etc. Sometimes terrible content needs to be removed, and as the proliferation of "easy to consume" content has exploded, more thoughtful content is generally buried under the weight of pictures and image macros ("memes") --- not because it's better content, but because of the simple principles of UX -- it's easier to remember to vote on something that took you 3 seconds to consume than it is an article that took you 15 minutes to read -- and the voter on pictures will vote on more things than the voter on interesting content. It doesn't affect monetization, of course, but I would still love to see Reddit solve this somehow - either categorizing content by media type (articles, pictures, etc) - or a different voting structure or... something...

  • Moderator "power" - several "mod squatters" created damn near every subreddit keyword imaginable when subs first became a thing. They sit idle doing nothing at all but being top mod on a bunch of huge subs. This means that at any time they could wake up and shut down a sub, remove all the other mods, etc. These people need to be removed in my opinion. If they're not actively moderating, they shouldn't be moderators.

  • More on "first come first served" in the moderator hierarchy -- you've seen twice now with /r/IAmA that sometimes reddit needs to step in and do something with a specific sub. When it's big and vital or has the potential to be big and vital due merely to its name (e.g. a generically named sub that new users looking for subs will obviously search for) - I feel it's in reddit's best interests to ensure that there are decent moderators in place (perhaps least via transparency like public mod logs) and allow takeovers when it's legitimately justified.

I realize that getting into that sort of hornet's nest is a delicate and terrifying process given the way the toxic portions of the reddit community can be when they react. I'm certain this is why reddit has avoided touching it. However, I believe that as Reddit has grown, it has outgrown the "voting always works" and "let subs be first come first served" systems that did once work well when it was smaller.

[–]brtw 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

I would still love to see Reddit solve this somehow - either categorizing content by media type (articles, pictures, etc) - or a different voting structure or... something...

How about letting moderators decide the weight of upvotes and downvotes in their own subreddits? At its simplest, it could be a button labeled "weigh selfpost upvotes at 2x normal". It would allow us moderators to curate our subreddits automatically, which is what a lot of us prefer already (extensive use of automod).

[–]dakta 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

However, I believe that as Reddit has grown, it has outgrown the "voting always works" and "let subs be first come first served" systems that did once work well when it was smaller.

I've pointed out the problems with a limited namespace system for subreddits and the inadequacies of discovery for a long time, literally three or four years now. And I agree whole-heartedly with what you've said here.

Reddit is in an exciting time. We have, as a community, the potential to create something even more amazing than what is already here. But at the same time, we have the potential to ruin the site. It's not going to be an easy time. But we cannot let this potential turn us away from making big changes.

[–]The14thNoah 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

That second point is a big thing for me. The fact that these people have all these subs under their belt means they cannot be modding them the way they need to be. They need to be brought down, because power trips can, have, and will continue to happen.

EDIT: Grammar

[–]TheGreenJedi 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm completely unimportant but here's my 2 cents as a useless mod:

I think what immediately annoys me is that this is nearly identical to the /r/announcement apology. It doesn't and hasn't felt like you understand the problems mods encounter and work against.

I expected better apology in here, but I'm happy the tools comment was clarified to more detail. I hoped that level of improvement in granularity would be in the majority of the apology not just in the tools.

I do like the feedback being provided as I read some of the comments in here. It does give me hope.

There is an issue not being mentioned, but I'm somewhat glad that the recent big 3 are front and center.

I was looking for more regarding transparency and censorship. Something along the lines of "I apologize for how poorly communicated criteria for removal of subreddits has been". Honestly I'd suggest something equivalent to probation being declared or even parole. As a useless mod the idea that I might sink so much time into a community then have someone one day end my fun without any warning is terrifying. Currently there are no warning shots, there is no forgiveness. I hope in the future such events are explained in a more transparent fashion.


As a normal user: It's down-heartening that you don't understand that Victoria made this real, I knew with 95% certainty that the actor was there giving the answers themselves and it wasn't just some PR rep typing it after taking a picture. It terrifies me how unconcerned and how slow to respond things often are. Granted it was a holiday weekend.

It's annoying to see subs go dark with what seems to be a snap of the fingers and no explanation 24hrs.

Also shadowbans being used as weapons against real people, some prominent users, it seems like there has been a policy shift towards using them more frequently. Might be nice to see some stats about the communities health, their usage monthly, general volume of bans, things like that. Seems like a permanent shadowban deserves basic feedback, and for a real world analogy aliens or the FBI taking a user to prison would be at least make the news the next day and would come with a presidential address.


Anyways that's my 2cents from both perspectives.

In summary, It doesn't feel like you are one of us, feels like the Queen sits high from her castle and is annoyed when the Lords of her Kingdom complain about their taxes and invading barbarians.

[–]PhantomandaRose 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

u/ekjp can you publicly and clearly state that reddit has no intentions of manipulating or monetizing AMAs? Can you publicly and openly pledge that reddit admins will not interfere in the open and free discourse that AMAs provide the reddit userbase?

You claimed that Victoria was not fired for opposing attempts to monetize AMAs, but as far as I know, you have not commented on the suspicions of many redditors that you are attempting to manipulate and monetize AMAs. This would help ease my concerns about this whole fiasco, as it seems you have been dodging a lot of real concerns by picking and choosing which things to address.

[–]OrionBlastar 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't feel like this apology is sincere.

The controversies that Reddit had were unethical. They were more than just communication and tool problems.

I just left /r/science because one of the mods put words in my mouth that the mods and scientists there don't have any ethics. I never said that. All I did was say the controversies Reddit had were unethical and this lack of ethics is killing the technology industry and starting to kill the science industry. I just wanted to know what was going on and if these same things are going to happen again. Reddit employees were mistreated, and how can we be sure that Reddit users also won't be mistreated?

There is a level of trust that was violated, there were unwritten rules that got enforced that no user or mod knew about. It was executed like a secret police of a fascist state. Now we got an apology out of it, but a lot of questions have no answers and it just bugs me.

My attempts to talk about it rationally on /r/science lead to a lot of downvoting, and then words put into my mouth. Is this the way that certain subreddits are going to be like now? Support Reddit no matter what, and get rid of anyone who questions authority?

Edit:typo

[–]Jinno 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

/u/deimorz, /u/weffey - As part of the expansion of moderator tools, and as a means to help curtail the brigading/harassment issues - can we get official support for the np.reddit.com subdomain?

As it is now, there is unofficial support via css to hide arrows and prevent user activity. It would be much more preferable to have the server actually return the page in question with no voting elements and no actionable links.

[–]otto_the_half_asian 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk if you'll catch this Ellen but in an attempt to reconcile I think a good way to reconnect with many users you may have dissuaded trust from reddit and to keep communication closer with admins I think "fireside chats" would be better than announcements like this. I can see you're responding to many comments but a lot of people can't because of the downvotes. A plan for such chats could include livecam shows. Not the sexy kind, but a video-based AMA where you reply to comments made on said live stream with questions regarding particular topics or changes to reddit. I only say this because this thread is full of claims on both sides and I think even further and more frequent communications are needed between users and admins here. Thanks.

[–]RachelDawesRP 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I haven't ever had any "bad" interactions with admins, so I'm going to chime in with some support and a suggestion instead. Various admins have handled things I've brought up through /r/dirtypenpals, but I've had the best experiences with /u/ocrasorm, /u/krispykrackers, /u/sporkicide, and /u/deimorz. They've always been responsive and helpful when we've had issues.

My suggestion is that I think there could be some improvement when it comes to transparency in the disciplinary actions of users. We've reported people ban-evading and harassing others, but we're never really told what happens unless we can try to load the user's page and see that there's been a shadowban enacted. Other than that, we don't know if you spoke to them and slapped them on the wrist, if you tempbanned them from something/everything, or perma/shadowbanned. A bit more information about what you're able to do or willing to do, as well as what you're going to do could be helpful in gaining more trust from users and giving us the feeling that you really are backing us up instead of possibly feeding us a line.

[–]GeneralMakaveli 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

My comment from /r/announcements.

So /u/ekjp as a moderator of over 250 subs I have a few questions. Will your team be working with all moderators or just a select few that you guys hand pick? You mentioned twice that you will work with us but there is A LOT of us. Please elaborate.

Side note: I've been here for years and reddit hid become my favorite site but I have come VERY close to deleting my account in the last couple months because of everything that has been going on here. It just feels so different than when I joined.

[–]Stormdancer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

We have apologized and made promises to you ... ... but time and again, we haven’t delivered on them.

And that's the problem. There's a long history of making statements exactly like this... and not following through. Again and again, trying to mollify the angry mob of the moment, and as soon as the fuss blows over... blowing us off again.

So you shouldn't be surprised if people expect you (as a corporate entity, not you the individual) to behave as history has taught us.

You've built a pattern.

Now you have to build a new one.

[–]oldguynewname 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When did this become about reddit tools? It became because of transparency and good faith. You people with the red names are what caused it thru your actions for once instead of inactions.

We don't care about your damn promises for tool kits and extra gold features. The mods you know the few of us that think they make a difference?

They want to keep their power its why they bowed to kn0thing when he said get the defaults back online. They have a important to them role in reddit. Many of us know you could care less about them and us. Its the content creators that you owe something too and it isn't a fucking toolkit. It isn't a couple of posts saying oh we fucked up sorry.

No this won't work. Look at how many have left recently. You helped to fire someone that was a pillar of reddit /u/kn0thing.

And /u/ekjp why the fuck won't you just say its because you were told to make reddit profitable and she didn't agree and you said hit the bricks? We know you need money for reddit to flourish. You refuse to ask the community for ideas. So then you shit can santa cause I am sure you can get money from that too since so many participate in it.

Its such a goddamn shame that all this has to happen for you all to get your ass into action. Meanwhile you haven't made a one comment on shadowban.

You haven't made a comment as to why you fired a cancer survivor. You are worse then a morgan freemon iama. You have no reasons for your actions other then self preservation. Your husband owes 27 million and well since he can't find employment might as well leave it to you huh?

I know you wont answer a fucking thing I ask. It will most likely be obscured into the bottom of this thread because you don't give a fuck about people that have bought gold more then 30 times over multiple accounts. Nope its about you isn't it?

[–]elbruce 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look, I understand that no company in the world is going to publicly speak about an employee firing. That's a no-go for a million very good reasons. Unlike many here, I would never ask about that.

(My secret fantasy right now is that venture capitalists are throwing money at Victoria to start up a public-figure social-media PR agency. She's about the most well positioned person in the world for that at this moment. But that's another story.)

However: you did abruptly fire the sole person you had coordinating all AMA's, which I think it's fair to say were at that moment bigger than Reddit itself, and which were your main feature as a website. It's like abruptly deciding to cook the goose that lays golden eggs, and not even for Christmas dinner, just because it's a Thursday and there aren't any good leftovers in the fridge.

And then you did it right before 4th-of-July weekend, while the Internet had plenty of time to freak out over it but while presumably most of you were out of the office. What even the fuck? Do you even Internet, bro? Timing.

I say "were at that moment" because the way you handled things may have killed the AMA pop-culture movement for good, or at least Reddit's dominance of it. Perhaps Twitter owns it now. How do you feel about that? Or perhaps AMA's are "over" and the internet will move on to something else, and you dropped the ball. That was your ball. That you owned and held, and now it fell down the drain into the sewer. No more ball. It was a great ball, and we all enjoyed it and it was yours, and it was the biggest thing on the Internet, and now it may very well be gone.

More importantly, if something with the similar global cachet of AMA's emerges from Reddit in the future, how do you intend to follow up on it? Do you have a plan for that sort of thing? You should.

I would agree that it's untenable to have such an asset revolve around a single employee like AMA's were with Victoria. No corporation would should allow that. You should have had a whole team assigned to that function, well before the POTUS decided to participate in one. That's where you made the mistake. That's what you should be responsive to, and have a plan in place to look out for and respond to going forward. It's almost as if you had no awareness of the importance of AMA's and had some minor employee in the back handling them because no one else was doing it, instead of focusing on supporting a major site feature. And then abruptly got rid of that employee without having any idea of how important their function was.

Tools, communication and resuming the famously laughable search function (I use Google for my Reddit searches) are all well and good, but:

I'm more concerned about structural foresight. Not even foresight, it's all hindsight at this point. If something emerges out of Reddit that becomes a huge deal, are you going to look out for that, put team support on it so that it's not hanging by a single-employee thread, and.. I'm not sure what I'm asking here. Just do it.

One of the great things about Reddit is that it's a platform. The basic functionality is something that the users can shape into something you didn't expect. As a company, you need to be responsive into what we build in your sandbox, and make the most of those assets that we develop for you. The next "thing" to become popular in Reddit, maybe more popular than Reddit, could appear any moment. You don't want to "Victoria" it again when that happens, do you? When the President of the United States is doing a Q/A on your site, you should be having board-level meetings on why that is happening and what you can do as a company to support that feature going forward. Not just shuffling that function to a single employee who it turns out you viewed as disposable anyway.

Structurally support what becomes groundbreakingly good about Reddit, in a responsive and forward-looking fashion.

That's the promise I want from you. But I need you to demonstrate that you understand this. That you're even grokking this concept. I'm seeing nothing here in that regard.

Hope you're listening. Best of luck. I'm still rooting for you to get it together.

[–]indeepth0ught 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our team is ready to respond to comments.

What bullshit. In what universe are they responding to comments?

[–]AUNC_Aussie 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

How has it been 14 hours with no-one dubbing this a "paopology"?

paopology păoˈpɒlədʒi noun 1. a regretful acknowledgement of an offence or failure, after a significant delay and multiple attempts to ignore or dodge responsibility, once all other options have been excised and your career is on the line. "If I don't offer you this paopology I'll be unemployed and unemployable" synonyms: expression of regret in being forced to acknowledge failure, one's regrets in having to acknowledge ones' own incompetence

[–]Hakumen 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for your post, I appreciate the message. I'm a mod of some really small videogame subreddits. I'm excited for better moderation/modmail tools and more efficient communication with admins should I need anything. This past weekend's events didn't really affect my subs and our ability to discuss the subs' contents. Looking forward to better communications between mods and admins along with the promised functionalities.

[–]ssldvr 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

The only way to earn the trust of the mods and the community is to provide the mod tools project charter that includes scope and timeline. Regular progress updates should be provided to the mods every week with less frequent updates to the whole community. Facts and data provide the only path forward here and these should be readily available assuming the tool upgrades are actually being worked. Anything short of this is lip service.

[–]weffey[A] 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

We will, but lots of software development happens behind the scenes before changes are surfaced to the people who use reddit. I'm not sure that weekly is the right time frame. I know on internal status reports, I've had weeks where all I had was barely one thing to report, and it included the words "fell down a rabbit hole researching...."

Speaking personally, to have the community so ready to jump down our throats, I'm really not sure I want to put myself out there to be open to the absolute criticism and accusations of "you didn't do enough this week".

[–]kozmund 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

As a software engineer, I absolutely understand why the "weekly updates in a totally public forum" idea is not...good. On a couple of different levels, not least of which that it's such a massively unproductive and unprofessional thing to ask an engineer to do.

That said, do you have any ideas of how you're going to be "working as a team with the moderators" and specifically how you imagine communicating the design and workflow of the improvements? Whether that's sharing an initial design document to make sure you're headed in the right direction? Getting feedback when the UI/workflow changes during development? Something super-awesome that won't occur to you until you're trying to go to sleep weeks from now?

As confused as I may be with reddit as an organization right now, I can't help my heart from going out to anyone coding in an environment like this. Explaining to a customer why certain things will take time and effort is an acquired skill. When your customer is god-knows-how-many moderators with vastly different requests and pain points, each "serving" a shit ton of users/customers, all while courting and serving the needs of your paying customers...yeesh.

[–]weffey[A] 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

All I can say is yes, there are high level plans and theories, that were all being talked about over the few months.

Right now, we are very resource strapped1, and that causes delays of it's own. Today, my time would be much better spent actually working on getting a survey feedback out to moderators, but instead, myself and many others, are here in an open forum, talking with our users.

Do not get me wrong: in no way am I implying this is a waste of time. I had a plan for the week, what I was going to get out when, and a massive wrench was thrown at me, and the entire team, over the weekend, and we're dealing with that first and foremost.

1 We have many positions open.

[–]kozmund 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the response, and now my heart goes out even further. The client wants you to spend the whole day in meetings, talking about the things that you could have gotten done if you weren't in meetings. Good luck!

[–]Treypyro 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really truly do hope you are being honest. There are so many people that love this website. But you have lost the trust of the mods and the users.

All I ask is do not monetize this site. Keep up reddit gold, and expand reddit merch. Lots of people want merch. Set up a link on the main page to the store. Hats, shirts, toys, etc. That would be a huge revenue stream and you could lessen up on ads. Everyone fucking hates ads, reddit content is community driven not business bought.

[–]Toptomcat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years. We haven’t communicated well, and we have surprised moderators and the community with big changes. We have apologized and made promises to you, the moderators and the community, over many years, but time and again, we haven’t delivered on them. When you’ve had feedback or requests, we haven’t always been responsive. The mods and the community have lost trust in me and in us, the administrators of reddit.

Today, we acknowledge this long history of mistakes.

Could you please be more specific about exactly which actions you've made over the years you now regard as mistakes, why you think they were mistakes, and why you think the steps you've mentioned are the best way to address them?

[–]kraln 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actions speak louder than words. I think you've used enough words on this whole mess, stop saying you are sorry and start acting like you're sorry.

[–]demoror 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your actions are nothing short of completley depolarble.

You're the CEO of reddit - start acting like it. There are already a handful of people on the moderator side of the fence that I think could do a damn sight better than you in the position of CEO, and that's without even checking their credentials to see if they are qualified. They understand budgets, community enaggemnent, and what it means to be a CEO. Somebody even waded in with a full explanation of what a CEO is reposible for. I'm sure your job description pdocuments would have the same sort of explanation, perhaps you should go back and read it because you certainly aren't fulfilling your role as CEO.

Not only have you shown disgraceful leaderhsip, you've also failed to lead the reddit community through this backlash that your team caused. This whole issue stems from lack of communication so why when it all went belly up did you go straight over our heads, reply in a priivate sub, make a single public comment (that if you had the slighest thought about the reddit platform would know you would be downvoted to oblivion, tus making most people miss it) and generally not speak with us? To be clear, the moderators of the 50 default subs are no different to us 'regular' moderators - we all deserve the same transparency and communication. Granted I think some of their moderators have a sense of entitlement but in general you didn't help matters by posting in /r/defaultmods, away from us.

Coming back to us all with words about tools and the improvement of what's available to us as moderators just doesn't cut it any more. We need to see improvement. I recognise you've said this time is different, but it really is no different to any other time. We are loosing faith.

Telling us it's hard to communicate because of the downvotes is crap. Utter crap. You've got the whole reddit team at your disposal. Get them to create a site-wide banner than links to your statement. While we are on the subject, just in case you are unaware what the votes mean, people obviously don't like what you're saying or how you're saying it (or both) so perhaps that is yet another hint to change tact.

I'm concerned that somebody in a position such as yourself lacks a fundemental understanding of the reddit platform, right down to how links work. How can you agree to put things in place, direct new visions and features, and so on, if you don't have a real and in-depth understanding of reddit?

Do you know what this post feels like to me? It feels like people got their heads together at reddit and came up with something to say and all agreed that it should come from your account. It should feel like you posted it, and I don't mean you, I mean feels like you posted it - with sincerity, belief in what we are trying to stand up for, and with a real desire to make change.

I don't have all the answers.

Well you should. You're the CEO. Start finding the answers. You've had long enough. Hell, we've even given you most of the answers.

[–]steptank 51ポイント52ポイント  (35子コメント)

Even if reddit makes a full recovery, the tension between the users and the admins will always be there. 200k+ signatures on change.org to remove /u/ekjp means alot. Reddit wants removal of the higher ups, not just open comments saying its gonna change.

[–]wub_wub 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

We will improve tools, not just promise improvements, building on work already underway.

Make your development roadmap public, with clear goals and release dates (e.g Q4 2015), what you're currently working on etc. Nobody believes you anymore that you're working on something and that something will be added as you say.

Introduce new sub or a blog where you'll go over the features you're working on. Add subreddit where mods of large subreddits can post their feedback (to keep it from everyone spamming it).

I understand that a lot of the projects get scraped, and that's ok, you don't have to publish everything you're working on - but the main projects should be available for everyone to see and keep track of, especially things like mod tools.

People, myself included, want specific things to hold on to - not comments written by your PR team, not long responses that don't answer the question asked, no bullshit.

[–]ajones321 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope that you deliver on everything that you said, and I hope that you have a copy of this message somewhere in your office or at home so that you have to look at it every day as a reminder. This place is special to so many people. Everyone makes mistakes, but at the end of the day we are a TEAM, and in many ways we are a family. Let's keep it that way and look forward to a bright future.

[–]SUCKLE_MY_BUTTHOLE 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

Many developers have created extensions to enrich and develop Reddit. These tools all exist, and provide great functionality. Mod toolkit for example, is something that many moderators have come to rely on. Have any conversations happened with those individuals to either hire or contract their work? If not, what other features do you consider priority? What other, faster ways exist to acquire those resources and needed features?

[–]weffey[A] 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

I have a list of 20 or so ideas that people have suggested over the years, but have not been actioned on. I'll be working with moderators to help prioritize, as I fully admit what may seem like an easy win externally might be a massive engineering challenge, or what I think would really help mods isn't something important to them.

[–]kjhatch 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Can you post that list of ideas being considered? I know there have been many more suggested; it'd be nice to see what the Devs intend to focus on. It would help those of us who post suggestions to know what's worth spending time on.

[–]leftystrat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There has been a LOT of press over this issue, in places where they'd never talk about Reddit. Very interesting.

My favorite headline was 'Reddit is revolting'.

[–]g0f0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

All I read was...

I am not a competent leader to run and sustain a tech business, because I have made to many broken promises. Please forgive me of my laziness in pursuit of a lawsuit that meant no benefit to Reddit and its user.

Seriously Pao. Even though u apologized, I'd rather see results now--instead of the near future.

[–]wildcatsnbacon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

meh. soon as something better comes along I'm never looking back.

[–]firmness 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dear Ms. Pao,

Leadership is a lot of things to a lot of people, so I will refrain from pointing out any sort of list here. But a cursory understanding of leadership would lead the average educated leader to understand this - Customers will give you a lot of leeway and ignore a lot of past transgressions if you are reasonable with them.

An arrogant attitude, coupled with a thinly veiled biased agenda for a company that is harmful to your customers, is going to get people's attention. Add to that the act of being perceived as attacking a beloved or respected figure (Victoria) and you set off a chain of events that is hard to undo.

That is when people are most likely to start digging into your past.

You know, as I do, that this will all blow over for Reddit. But it will not blow over for you. That gets back to your agenda. Your perspective on the key features of this site is disrespectful to the very thing and people that made this site great. Disrespecting where your customers came from gets you to either be Facebook or Digg.

But this will follow you Ms. Pao. I suspect that your reputation and the limelight that surrounds these latest missteps are going to come around for you. Not because any one person will hold you accountable - but because the collective wisdom of a lot of people will hold onto your name and remember what you have done here.

Call it fate or Karma. But that is now on you. You would do best to resign. That is what an honorable person would do.

[–]broken42 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd hoped you would say something about the absolute lack of official communication outside of having to dig through admin comments. It really says something about how someone sees a situation when they go on a press junket tour before actually addressing a situation in front of the community that it affects. At no point should you be giving interviews and trying to say that you're sorry and that you messed up through other means of communication before having a dialog with the community. That's why your petition currently stands at 200k+, because the absolute mismanagement time and time again whenever something happens.

[–]seamslegit 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

"the vast majority of Reddit users are uninterested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours."

Do you still believe this?

[–]krabbby 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Redditors are still posting memes, discussing politics, talking about games and sports. Had places like /r/askreddit and /r/pics not done whatever they did, this barely would have been noticed.

[–]Starlightbreaker 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

ctrl+f "transparency"

hmm, not anywhere in the text.

[–]Lyzern 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's weird, because they've tossed that word around for like 5 years as if they were going to change something but never did. I guess they moved on to the new thing, let's see... Ah! Found it! "Tools for the mods"!

[–]K_Lobstah 72ポイント73ポイント  (12子コメント)

From a moderator perspective, these three steps are actually very encouraging and I personally appreciate them for what they are- acts of good faith.

We don't expect you to inform us of every internal decision made within the company and we don't expect you to give us everything we want we just want to know we've been heard and that someone gives the tiniest fraction of a crap.

So despite what will inevitably happen in this thread as people jump on the "not enough" bandwagon, would like to extend a personal thank-you for stepping up to the plate this time.

edit: autocorrect is my sworn nemesis

[–]Meneth 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. I'm looking forward to seeing these promises be fulfilled.

Effective immediately, he will be shifting to work full-time on the issues the moderators have raised. In addition, many mods are familiar with u/weffey ’s work, as she previously asked for feedback on modmail and other features. She will use your past and future input to improve mod tools. Together they will be working as a team with you, the moderators, on what tools to build and then delivering them.

This especially does a lot to satisfy my issues with the admins. So long as this gets accomplished in a timely fashion I'm happy.

[–]cordis_melum 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the public apology. I'm really happy that /u/Deimorz is going to be working with /u/weffey full time for the new mod tools.

I'm saddened by the fact that you went to the media prior to posting this public apology to the mods in /r/modnews (and while I know you were discussing things with us in /r/defaultmods and /r/modtalk, not everyone who happens to be a moderator has access to those subreddits, and it wasn't fair for people who did not meet the requirements for one or both subs to be left out of the loop like that).

I'm sorry that the blackout thing ended up being an anti-Pao circlejerk fest. I can confidentally say that for /r/history's moderation team, this was never our intention, and while a number of my fellow moderators would do it again, we're not happy about the fact that it became yet another tool against you for reasons unrelated to lack of administrator support.

Again, thank you for this long due public apology. Personally, I appreciate it.

[–]Zorcmsr5 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Its not about search, its not about modmail. Its about treating your employees with respect.

[–]jasondickson 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please resign. You haven't helped the community and you never will.

[–]Sir_Tinklebottom 180ポイント181ポイント  (28子コメント)

Step down and acknowledge the fact that you have no idea what you are doing.

edit: as others have linked below me, here is the petition https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]Zuunster 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

she previously asked for feedback on modmail

Mod communication is currently a complete joke, and I hope that modmail, and any other tools to help mods collaborate fluidly, will be high priority.

[–]yurisses 50ポイント51ポイント  (231子コメント)

If you're truly sorry for what you've done, do an AMA so you can answer the hard questions. Like what you have to say about shadowbanning people who so far as mention your lawsuit.

edit: Thanks for addressing the example question. An AMA would help you clear these misunderstandings (assuming your answer is in good faith), for example a lot of people believe lawsuit-related posts on the front page were manually hidden.

[–]TommaClock 126ポイント127ポイント  (73子コメント)

We apologize, but not for censorship, which recently culminated in firing an employee, but for things no one cared about.

[–]shinymuskrat 82ポイント83ポイント  (27子コメント)

censorship, which recently culminated in firing an employee

There seems to be a huge jump in logic here. How exactly did "censorship" (I assume you mean the fattening) lead to Victoria getting fired?

[–]escalat0r 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Censorship is thrown down on this site so much that it has no meaning.

[–]telestrial 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Fattening's safe space corporate consumption circle jerk narrative is being forced over every action or inaction at the moment. It's annoying and extremely detractive to any progress we could see.

[–]Gilgamesh- 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reasons above were much of those that gave impetus to the privatisation of the defaults. The AMA-hosting subreddits were angered by Victoira's departure, but that was only the spark: the reason why so many other large subreddits followed suit was because of moderator resentment against admin treatment specifically with regards to mod tools and mod-admin communication.

Recall, also, that we do not know the reasoning behind Victoria's firing, specifically for reasons of her privacy and to avoid damaging her future career.

[–]Flashynuff 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure where you got your information, but as someone who was involved with the blacking out of a default sub, this is exactly the stuff that moderators were upset about and that needed to be addressed. Censorship has nothing to do with it.

[–]unicibusipsisunicior 47ポイント48ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yep, censorship is really something that should be addressed.

I always saw Reddit as a site where the freedom of the internet was a big and important thing, but it seems like that changed recently.

Very unfortunate.

[–]intronink 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ctrl f, didn't find the word resign. Try again later

[–]Contexual 24ポイント25ポイント  (19子コメント)

Interesting, I still would've preferred to see this as a blog post.

[–]sandyxdaydream 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

u/krispykrackers is trying out the new role of Moderator Advocate. She will be the contact for moderators with reddit. We need to figure out how to communicate better with them, and u/krispykrackers will work with you to figure out the best way to talk more often.

Really excited for this. Although Victoria leaving still sucks, from the few interactions I've had with /u/krispykrackers as a mod myself, she is also a very understanding and chill admin. I can't wait to see what she has in store for us.

[–]ExtraNoise 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually disagree. I've only had one interaction with /u/krispykrackers and she was very curt. Other administrators, /u/Sporkicide and /u/Ocrasorm were able to jump into the message thread and seemed much more thoughtful and were able to provide help.

As a moderator of several subreddits (18 of them, apparently), none of which are terribly large (the largest being 85,000 subs), I found myself panicking after being shadowbanned for "participating in a vote brigade" for following a link in a modmail conversation to a subreddit I'm subscribed to and voting on comments. I understand there may have been a real vote brigade at one time, but this was entirely harmless. But as the only mod for many of those subreddits, being shadowbanned was really nerve-wracking as it effectively killed those subreddits.

When I messaged the admins explaining what I believe happened and my sincerity at not participating in vote brigades, krispykrackers simply replied with what offense I had been flagged with and nothing more.

It didn't feel like she even read my message.

That I wasn't worth her time or consideration.

[–]MockDeath 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am skeptical things will get better because some of these issues are so long lived. That being said I appreciate the additional communication you guys are starting to do and I am hopeful for the future.

It is good that you guys are reaching out more to mods and setting up more direct paths for communication.

Edit- also thank you for addressing the community.

[–]HolySpieda 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Took you 3 days to talk to your consumers, took you 1 day to talk to the media.

[–]bethisnicenow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're deflecting a lot of the personal responsibility by saying "we" and commenting on lack of communication during the "past several years"...long before you joined. Aren't you CEO? Shouldn't you take the fall for your team since you are in charge?

[–]Rubin0 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

Actions speak a lot louder than words.

At this point in time, only the admins and the heads of the largest the subs are privy to the actual and specific improvements being made on moderator tools and search.

Are there any plans to have a public project plan of what specific features are being worked on, including their status and their estimated completion dates?

There is an opportunity here to be transparent to the whole community as well as get feedback/advice/suggestions/code-snippets/free-third-party-software from a nearly endless supply of software development talent already in the community. The creators and users of /r/toolbox have been begging for years for reddit to wholesale copy and paste their code. There is work that we can provide to speed the process along.

Please consider my proposal. As you said above, your announcement is "just words". Please show us something that goes beyond this post that doesn't require waiting several months for and takes out a lot of the guesswork.

Thank you for your time.

[–]weffey[A] 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm also being cognisant of promising things publicly. I'm working on a prioritizing new tools, updates to current tools, and long term health projects. I'm not prepared to talk publicly of my plans quite yet.

[–]thepetitionthrowaway 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

To Alexis (/u/kn0thing) and Ellen (/u/ekjp),

I am the creator of the petition. What do you have to say about it? Why haven't you replied to my few emails I sent? One of the reddit admins made sure they would be forwarded to you.

[–]RedMushtoom 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!

[–]sigsigsignify 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blow it out your ass.

[–]Kamala_Metamorph 5ポイント6ポイント  (19子コメント)

Hi /u/ekjp , Admins, et al.,

harassment

About keeping reddit a welcome space, I think we could take reddit's committment to this more seriously if the report buttons added more options like subreddit rule breaking or racism, sexism, homophobia, or even just harassing users. Right now, "Why are you reporting this?" are against reddit's cover-your-ass rules like doxxing and sexualizing minors-- just enough to be on this side of legal. Do you have data on which of the buttons gets used? I've never used anything except "other" when using the report button for mods.

Thanks, Ellen.

-km

[–]weffey 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Revising the report box is on my list of things to add to moderator tools.

[–]MercuryPDX 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks. Sometimes the buttons without context are vague. If there was a way to choose and need a reason provided, instead of picking just "Other" that would be nice.

[–]gibbie99 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

Who is replacing Victotia? Why was she fired? You killed a huge amount of the sites popularity without any explaination. My guess is reddit is more focused on the bottom line now.

[–]Wanghealer 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for apologizing, but you should've come here first rather than other news websites.

[–]rocketpastsix 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

This should be a bigger issue then how it really is. They went to EVERYWHERE else but here to apologize. This shows that they are all about the money, and not the users who have helped the admins get to where they are today.

[–]sifumokung 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

ITT: /u/ekjp promises better communication and then selectively answers softball questions.

I do not trust you. I do not believe you understand your community. I do not think your vision of what reddit should be is the same as what reddit is being shaped to be by those that actually create the content. I think you are in "damage control" mode and are more concerned with media perception than substantive dialogue with the community.

If reddit cared about the community, they'd take a petition, with nearly 200,000 signatures, to remove Pao, seriously. As usual, we are being dismissed and given lip service.

I have no faith in your words. Let's see some action, please. In the face of this level of scepticism, promises are worthless.