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[–]ekjp[S,A] 1002ポイント1003ポイント x3 (2274子コメント)

It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now.

Edit: missing space

[–]Zouden 3498ポイント3499ポイント  (158子コメント)

Well, that's what /r/announcements is for.

[–]thefoolofemmaus 2895ポイント2896ポイント  (93子コメント)

And /r/blog. And "toggle sticky". Really, she has plenty of tools to get the above message out. "But downboats" rings hollow.

[–]skewp 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

Look, like any good redditor, she's worried about her karma score.

[–]allthefoxes 128ポイント129ポイント  (22子コメント)

Stickies won't make it show on the front page

[–]lichorat 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

The blog does.

[–]thefoolofemmaus 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

I am positive that the backend developers could solve that problem if they really put their minds to it.

[–]BearlyBreathing 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're suggesting modifying reddit's backend to allow Ellen Pao to circumvent the voting system?

Yeah, I'm sure that would go over swell with redditors, not to mention her most virulent detractors. /s

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      [–]LacyBlackKnickers 1010ポイント1011ポイント  (34子コメント)

      Yeah but that would involve understanding how reddit works. And we all know Ellen Pao can't manage that.

      [–]throweraccount 145ポイント146ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Funny thing is that she has staff that could point all that out to her, yet nobody has or they have and she has yet to listen to them. Someone could have guided her much like someone guided lots of celebrities in working their way through reddit efficiently.

      [–]Absinthe99 68ポイント69ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Funny thing is that she has staff that could point all that out to her, yet nobody has or they have and she has yet to listen to them. Someone could have guided her much like someone guided lots of celebrities in working their way through reddit efficiently.

      Which all points to culture inside of Reddit. And culture in a company comes from the top DOWN (and builds over time).

      If/when the boss is "human" and approachable; then employees will usually do whatever they can to voluntarily assist, to head off problems well in advance, to keep others on the team -- especially "the boss" -- from looking foolish, etc.

      But by contrast... if & when the boss is rather tyrannical and dictatorial (or even "aloof" & too reserved which can be misinterpreted) then a sort of passive-aggressive, "let them trip" mentality takes over -- even more so when volunteering (which always includes a risk of having conflict or contradicting pre-held conceptions) when that has been seen to result in a proverbial beheading... well, it becomes an "I only obey orders" community.

      EDIT: And it should be noted that almost no one is completely one or the other, everyone is somewhere (and mobile) on a spectrum between those; even the nicest boss will have a bad day where they "snap" at people, and conversely even the most tyrannical dictator can occasionally "shock" people with some empathetic act -- nevertheless, most people DO tend to have a "tilt" pretty heavily towards one or the other end, and it takes a LOT of work to alter that, once they become somewhat "set" in their ways, AND as the company culture molds and ossifies around them.

      [–]mynewaccount5 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

      How about the CEO of a company should learn how to use the companys only product?

      [–]Forlarren 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

      She isn't CEO of Sony, nobody is asking her to set the clock on a VCR, just make a freaking blog post. That's what it's there for.

      The downvote excuse is worse than "my dog ate my homework" what kind of ignoramuses does she take the community for?

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        [–]pneurbies 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Lol, maybe if someone were there to warn Ellen Pao about the reddit community before she posts like on an AMA. Maybe /u/chooter can help?

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            [–]Absinthe99 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Really, she has plenty of tools to get the above message out. "But downboats" rings hollow.

            It's blame shifting (or at least a vestigial attempt at it -- which is human by the way).

            The "It was hard to communicate on the site" is really NOT a reference (thought it is meant to be ambiguous; a subtle albeit mistaken attempt to save face) to the difficulty of using the site to communicate... but the fact that psychologically it was virtually impossible (given her ego, attitude towards users, etc) for her to condescend to post here.

            Why? Because she knew she would face a backlash, AND -- & here there may be a hint of wisdom & even restraint -- given her temperament, she would likely have fought back. She basically doesn't know how to take criticism, she doesn't know how to LOSE, much less to lose or give in gracefully, and to acknowledge that she herself might be the root cause of a problem, or to at least bear ultimate responsibility.

            So yes the "but downvotes" is still some of that old "chip" on the shoulder -- that passive-aggressive attempt to shift blame.

            All that said... well something tells me that there was one MASSIVE "intervention" that went on this weekend with Ms. Pao (and probably Mr. Ohanian as well). She swallowed VERY hard and at least sat through that, and did learn a FEW things; now whether it has REALLY taken root, or if it is just superficial & temporary...

            Only time will tell.

            I give it maybe... 1 chance in 10.

            [–]--putty-- 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

            She would understand if she understood how reddit worked.

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              [–]wachet 693ポイント694ポイント  (26子コメント)

              They have a blog. Seriously.

              Not surprising that she doesn't seem to know how to use the site, though. I mean, she tried to post a link to an inbox message the other day.

              Edit: https://archive.is/9RFIp lol.

              [–]djnap 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I read somewhere else, that she did that because admins can see all PMs and they often share them on their own private subs. (I'm not positive it was "all PMs". Any of the above statement could be incorrect, as I heard it from some random guy on reddit.)

              [–]Sureiyaa 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

              People have pointed out that admins can link to and see private messages for anyone and they'll often share them that way so she probably did it out of habit or just not knowing that it was something that other users can't see.

              [–]psiphre 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

              that THEY can do it doesn't matter. not knowing that WE CAN'T means that she doesn't understand how the site works.

              [–]Brarsh 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

              That's only a small step away from "Well, I can see all my private messages... Why can't everyone?

              [–]AnOnlineHandle 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

              She explained she meant to paste it in a conversation in the next tab, and deleted it almost immediately, but, let's instead presume that one of the first few angel investors of reddit who has had an active account for years doesn't know how to use reddit, that makes total sense.

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                [–]thisdesignup 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Have you looked at her post history? Take out the fact that she is Reddit staff and her post history is pretty normal compared to most Redditors who interact with the site. I wouldn't say she doesn't know how to use the site.

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                  [–]alienith 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I think the subtext of that statement was "We were also waiting for people to calm down a little bit"

                  [–]demeteloaf 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Nah, I think important announcements to redditors belong in random threads in /r/sysadmin.

                  Isn't that where they're supposed to go?

                  [–]SilasX 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The CEO of reddit, saying that they can't communicate a message on reddit? So they have to leak the story to media sources?

                  Uh, no.

                  [–]xMithrandir 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah exactly, if she had really wanted to make an announcement before she could've, I don't know, literally done what she did like 15 minutes ago.

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                    [–]oneAngrySonOfaBitch 45ポイント46ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    You own an undownvotable blog.

                    [–]Llim 604ポイント605ポイント  (105子コメント)

                    She's got a point. It's pretty hard to have a real discussion when everything she says ends up -2000

                    [–]AMarmot 538ポイント539ポイント  (65子コメント)

                    To be fair, I think what everyone wanted wasn't a discussion, it was a statement, like this one, as of 48 hours ago.

                    Whether she's downvoted to oblivion or not does not impact the visibility of a statement made in /r/announcements, and frankly, that's pretty much the purpose of this subreddit - it's a soapbox for potentially unpopular posts that the admins need to make about the state and direction of the community.

                    [–]Reil 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It does, actually. There was one post recently that I was lucky to have seen at all because it went straight into the negative thousands shortly after I spotted it on the frontpage.

                    [–]hierocles 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    If she gave a statement and never interacted, people would be complaining about how she's hiding behind statements instead of actually have a real conversation with "the community."

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                      [–]4ringcircus 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Yeah, because the fucking CEO can't sticky their own shit. This isn't some jerk off posting crap memes on /r/AdviceAnimals.

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                        [–]I_smell_awesome 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        I mean... You probably should have made a post before speaking to buzzfeed of all places before reddit.

                        [–]Leninator 943ポイント944ポイント  (113子コメント)

                        It's pretty absurd the way that redditors demand a reply, and then downvote you when you provide one.

                        I also completely understand why you'd go to a third-party website to announce stuff over the place that was literally comparing you to hitler and calling for physical violence against you.

                        [–]codeverity 387ポイント388ポイント  (47子コメント)

                        I think people forget that downvoting actually hides comments from view - either because they have RES or because they have their settings set a certain way, or maybe they just don't care. I get that downvoting her into the -1000s gives some petty satisfaction but giving people the chance to see what she's saying seems more important.

                        [–]thisoneorthatone 93ポイント94ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Everybody complaining she doesn't understand how the site works yet they still can't understand the concept of reddiquite. Upvote if it contributes to conversation, downvote if it does not.

                        [–]rachycarebear 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        And whether you agree or not, a comment from the CEO would generally contribute to a discussion on how the site is being run so it really shouldn't have been downvoted.

                        [–]thisoneorthatone 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        It doesn't matter if someone agrees or not. Upvotes aren't likes, this isn't Facebook.

                        [–]OneManWar 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Ok there pipedream. They're used as likes ALL the time, how do you think so many jokes get to the top... because they're relevant and help add serious discussion? When they're used as dislikes people complain.

                        [–]FountainsOfFluids 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I agree. I honestly don't think many people hit that downvote button thinking "I want to hide this comment". That's the problem with the simply up/down vote. It doesn't give people easy ways to express their real opinions.

                        There needs to be a separation of ideas, so that people can vote for their actual feelings:

                        • A general "like/dislike" that applies to a "popularity" score.
                        • A more specific "contributes/doesn't contribute" vote mechanism that is slightly less obvious so that people don't use it as much.
                        • Using the "like/dislike" vote invalidates the "contributes/doesn't contribute" vote. (This would be explained in the rules, but not obvious in the UI.)
                        • Using the "doesn't contribute" button disables the reply functionality.

                        Follow the thought process of a typical comment reader:

                        • Imagine a typical reader, who reads something they disagree with. They would hit the [Dislike] button, and then either comment or move on. That's fine, disliking something doesn't affect it's visibility.
                        • Imagine a more experienced reader, who has seen that little [Doesn't Contribute] button and thinks "I'll really stick it to this guy" and clicks both [Dislike] and [Doesn't Contribute]. In that case, the DC vote is disregarded behind the scenes. In this way, the only people who actually affect the visibility are people who can remain neutral on the "like/dislike" button, indicating they are more thoughtful and less reactionary.
                        • Imagine a reader who also likes to comment. If they vehemently oppose somebody and want to "hit all the buttons" and reply, they will be greeted with a short message: "You cannot reply to a comment you feel does not contribute to a conversation." They would have to undo their DC vote in order to reply, effectively training them how to behave with opposing opinions vs. trolls.

                        This maintains the ability to have an honest, quick reaction to an opposing opinion without causing a "circle-jerk" of only agreement being visible in the comments.

                        This effectively means trolls will get hidden instead of minority opinions. And the "contributes" option will only be used by people who are being good citizens and want to reward somebody who makes a good comment even though they might disagree with it. They sacrifice their ability to [Dislike] in the same way that current users resist the urge to downvote somebody they are debating with. They can reward a good discussion without having to say they [Like] it, or counteract DC votes that they feel are incorrect.

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                              [–]Se7enLC 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              People just In General seem to not understand that voting is not an agree/disagree button, or even a hate sword.

                              I'd love to see a site that bans users for hate-fueled voting. Or at least bans them from voting for awhile.

                              [–]feralstank 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Did you read her 'replys'? They were bullshit non-answers and that's why she got downvoted. If she had provided insightful and illuminating information/thoughts on the current situation do you really think we would have still reacted the same way?

                              It was the same type of responses as this post: pure bullshit. No new information and a few unsubstantiated promises. What possible reason do we have to believe anything that comes out of reddit's management?

                              I still don't know what they do, aside from banning a few people. Every bit of value in this site is contributed by us, the community.

                              [–]sealfoss 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              There are ways they could have communicated w/ the users without having to deal with down votes. The blog, for instance...

                              [–]codeverity 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Yeah, but she's answering questions here in the comments and people are still downvoting her. And as people have pointed out, today is the first business day since this all went down.

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                                [–]alienith 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Exactly. People were clamoring for some response from the admins, and now that the admins have spoken, there is nothing but criticism. They at least deserve a chance to try and make amends

                                [–]BurntHotdogVendor 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                There are stickies for a reason. Could have done this exact post days ago. It's such a bs response. They just don't give a shit.

                                [–]imredditting 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                It's pretty absurd the way that redditors demand a reply, and then downvote you when you provide one.

                                It may not be the same redditors, there's like several of us and stuff.

                                [–]wanmoar 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                you do realize that she has the option of circumventing the downvote thing by going to /r/announcements or the blog. You know.. like she just did

                                [–]sealfoss 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                There are ways they could have communicated w/ the users without having to deal with down votes. The blog, for instance...

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                                  [–]JackassWhisperer 95ポイント96ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  Your comments were being downvoted. But couldn't you have responded like you did with this announcement? A text submission in a Reddit announcement subreddit would skyrocket. Like they always do.

                                  And then start your campaign to other outlets.

                                  [–]Whubwhub 150ポイント151ポイント  (68子コメント)

                                  I'll be honest, refreshing and seeing your score drop from -100 to -500 in one go is a pretty big deterrent to actually being seen...

                                  [–]Im__Bruce_Wayne__AMA 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  The comment you responded to has jumped +100 in an equal amount of time.

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                                    [–]stapler8 66ポイント67ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    Don't downvote her responses, everyone. She won't care about losing her internet points, but others will want to see the messages, which can be hard if they're buried from negative karma.

                                    [–]Lyqyd 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Can also be impossible--in very large topics, the "load more comments" button often does nothing after you've already loaded some other comments. This prevented me from being able to find one of /u/kn0thing 's comments a couple days ago, except through a context link someone had provided.

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                                      [–]snatchi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Ellen, I'm sorry but thats bullshit.

                                      You went on a small tour of other outlets, giving quotes and justifications, you made 3 comments on Reddit, and while yes, they were downvoted, people saw them. You have a massive spotlight on you right now OF COURSE people saw them. They were evasive, soft attempts at appeasement and people did not feel they were adequate responses.

                                      You're the CEO of this site, and your first obligation should be here, not trying to make sure the cool kids still think you're cool.

                                      [–]14thCenturyHood 1553ポイント1554ポイント  (1482子コメント)

                                      Why are you all of a sudden regretting things that have been years in the making? This is so far from genuine it's almost laughable.

                                      [–]kerovon 659ポイント660ポイント  (167子コメント)

                                      To be fair, Ellen Pao only joined reddit in (I think late) 2013, and only became CEO in Nov 2014. I have a hard time blaming her for some of the mistakes and screwups that started before she was involved in reddit.

                                      [–]koproller 949ポイント950ポイント  (144子コメント)

                                      exactly!

                                      Nothing fucking changed on Reddit. Admins still ignore mods. Reddit still bans subreddits that will bring them negative publicity. Reddit still fires people without giving a reason.

                                      This is going on, like you said, for years.

                                      Al this hate for /u/ekjp is complete and utter bullshit. It's so insane that it's borderline psychotic. She became CEO in November 2014. She didn't change a goddamn thing about our reddit experience.

                                      [–]JuliaDD 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      You're 100% right. I would believe this argument about "but she's such a terrible person! She tried to sue for sexist discrimination and that's not what it was at all" except for the fact that people have been on the warpath for her head long before there was ever an official verdict. My best guess is that there are a lot of very vocal, very sexist assholes on Reddit (shocker, I know), who resented a powerful woman coming in. As long as the women here are cute and smiley and aren't in any way threatening to a man (like Victoria), Reddit LOVES them. As soon as a woman tries to rock the boat, though, Reddit wants blood. Maybe I'm off on this, but Ellen really doesn't seem to have done enough to deserve this vitriol.

                                      [–]koproller 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Nobody did anything to deserve this. And on top of that, she didn't do anything that bad.
                                      Also, you are right. Reddit even made "feminism" a curse word. While feminism is about equality.
                                      Insane this reddit culture sometimes.

                                      [–]chunklemcdunkle 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      And people are going on and on and on about reddit turning into some monetized shit show but I haven't seen ANY big changes in the past few years that would substantiate that ridiculous speculation anyway.

                                      If I'm not wrong, these people are going overboard.

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                                          [–]CptFaustas 48ポイント49ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                          But a lot of them are worthy of being banned. Reddit as a community lose nothing if those people go away.

                                          [–]koproller 42ポイント43ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                          Just force them to go, like they keep saying.
                                          I'm done with my front page, even /r/upliftingnews, being spammed with a irrational hate for someone who, in my eyes, did nothing wrong.

                                          [–]flounder19 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          except they don't actually leave

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                                            [–]synapticrelease 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            I'm sure Victoria was notified and had to sign a confidentiality agreement which are why both parties are silent on the matter.

                                            You do not work for reddit. You are not privy to managerial information

                                            [–]koproller 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            In a private subreddits she spoke to us about that she had no idea why she was fired.
                                            She could say, that she wasn't allowed to say it.
                                            That being said: I don't care why she fired her. I liked her. But people get fired and I'm sure Victoria has a very good resume after reddit.

                                            [–]synapticrelease 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            That could very well be the case (that she had no idea). The CEO of Walmart isn't notified when every checker is let go across the country. Victoria was in the satellite NYC office. Not even on the same coast as Pao

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                                              [–]asdfjlk55 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              But she's a woman who has filed a gender discrimination lawsuit completely unrelated to reddit in the past therefore deserving of the hate /s

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                                                [–]DarkDarkness 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                why was she made CEO in the first place then given her lack of experience/knowledge of things reddit?

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                                                  [–]mat20068 3226ポイント3227ポイント x2 (395子コメント)

                                                  Hmm maybe this is why she doesnt like commenting on reddit

                                                  [–]bunglejerry 1799ポイント1800ポイント  (155子コメント)

                                                  You mean not everyone likes being called a "whore" and having threats of violence constantly tossed their way?

                                                  [–]N6Maladroit 1629ポイント1630ポイント x4 (82子コメント)

                                                  yeah regardless of what the truth is, the amount of hate and see you next teusday that gets hurled at her, frankly, you have a right to be angry, but you don't have a right to be an abusive dick to get the response you want.

                                                  She can be a complete failure and embarressment as a CEO, but it still doesn't give you the right to be verbally ugly and abusive. There are grown up ways to express your thoughts and communicate without being nasty. This is a lesson I'm still trying to get right with a higher ratio of effectiveness.

                                                  Edit: First Gold evah. And highest comment. I'm going to stuff my face in cheesecake now. Bless you.

                                                  Edit 2: There's been two more goldings since the first. I don't know what to say, but I'm glad my first gold wasn't about dicks or a tifu. This feeling reminds me of the time I wrote a letter to Richard Dean Anderson (MacGyver), inviting him to my house for dinner. I made my mom save this one box of stuff in case he came through. He didn't come to dinner, but he sent me an autographed picture of him and his dog. I'm pretty sure my ex has that somewhere : / When it came though, my mom brought it to school and they made a special announcement, and I was popular for the day. It encouraged other students to write their favorite celebrities and I think some of them got responses too. Anyway, I encourage you to get golded? It's a rad feel. Annnd...please don't be a dick, even when you're mad. Regardless of how much the other guy may deserve your vitriol. I'll never have this much fame again. ;3

                                                  [–]LastNewtStandin 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Have to agree, No matter how bad things are getting here I can't get past the language and malice thrown at Ellen.

                                                  There are tons of good argument and debate on the situation but I see so little of it because of all the abuse. Embarrassing to be honest.

                                                  [–]petit_cochon 97ポイント98ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                  I personally feel a lot of the comments I see against her are very sexist and racist. It's uncomfortable.

                                                  [–]sp0ck06 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                  It doesn't make me sympathize much with the majority of the userbase.

                                                  [–]MarvelousMagikarp 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  The majority of the userbase aren't the ones telling her to kill herself or stuff like that. It's the hateful minority, and hateful people are often very, very vocal with their hate.

                                                  Some dickheads being dickheads doesn't make the reasonable people's complaints and LESS valid. This is the internet. It's a sad, sad fact that for some reason some people turn into giant asshats when they use it. But as sad as that is, it's true, and you can't let those people effect how you view the website as a whole.

                                                  "Some people were mean, therefore nothing anyone says is valid" is...well, honestly, it's pretty stupid. I get the feeling that it's how a lot of others feel about this, and it's unfortunate.

                                                  [–]Propyl_People_Ether 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  The effect of the majority tolerating that loud minority and giving them a platform is that it's much harder to trust any sentiment that comes out of that same platform, even if that includes otherwise valid criticisms. Reddit as a whole is affected both internally and externally by this problem.

                                                  [–]earthfall 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Wholeheartedly agree. It's downright childish

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                                                      [–]baconandicecreamyum 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      This is what I was trying to communicate to my SO yesterday. I don't agree with being personal and shitty to people even if you think the person themselves treats people shitty. He thinks I'm naive.

                                                      [–]Haversoe 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I would call you princlipled. And there's nothing naïve about that, IMO.

                                                      [–]baconandicecreamyum 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Thank you. I appreciate your comment. I think that just because someone else makes a decision you don't agree with or treats someone poorly, it doesn't mean you have to or should make the same or a similar decision. If I understand his side accurately, I believe he thinks that they don't deserve or won't respect decent treatment. Not to mention the treatment she gets just because she's a woman.

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                                                        [–]peanutbuttahcups 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Seriously. I mean yeah, some constructive criticism is good, but insults and name-calling just weakens one's argument. At least she's speaking up and opening the floor for discussion. Now that we have their attention, let's hash it out instead of putting fingers in our ears and saying, "Nope, still literally le Hitler."

                                                        [–]Rain12913 59ポイント60ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        Yeah, I've only seen about ten different - highly upvoted - comments calling for her to commit suicide.

                                                        [–]dwwojcik 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Don't forget being compared to Hitler!

                                                        [–]themdeadeyes 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        No, women secretly love it. I've found that a man with a history of SWATing women who dare to express their opinion online is really the pinnacle of masculinity.

                                                        Remember to spend at least 3 hours a day photoshopping Ellen Pao's face into porn if you want to become a Real Internet Man one day.

                                                        [–]mat20068 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        Crazy right?

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                                                          [–]persona_dos 1109ポイント1110ポイント  (160子コメント)

                                                          Nope. Can't be the childish antics and aspersions cast her way. Nope.

                                                          [–]SxeRpw 87ポイント88ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                          People bitch about her not communicating but when she does they act like petty children

                                                          [–]caninehere 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Some people do, and some people poke genuine holes in what she's saying. And then there are the people like you who generalize everyone, which doesn't help. Reddit is a community of many different kinds of people.

                                                          /u/14thCenturyHood made a good point but instead of addressing it people just say "well this is why she doesn't like talking to people". Do you honestly think they regret the decisions they have been making? I don't believe it for a second. They don't make these decisions lightly, every change is designed to push the site towards monetization which is the ultimate goal - showing investors that the site is actually worth something. As pointed out, they have spent years working on these changes, they're not suddenly going to decide they were all terrible.

                                                          The only regret they have is that they didn't make their sweeping changes more palatable to the community and it bit them in the ass. If you genuinely believe they are going to do things differently from now on, I think you'll be sadly surprised soon enough.

                                                          Just earlier this month when fatpeoplehate disappeared, people were saying that we would be seeing similarly big rifts in the community in a few months - and it took them only a matter of weeks to make it happen. Not that I support fatpeoplehate and the other banned subreddits, and many other people don't, either, but I support their existence because this site is supposed to be about free and open discussion - and by removing those subreddits, banning their moderators and censoring posts all across reddit they put a really bad taste in my mouth (and many others').

                                                          But of course, it's impossible to say any of that without being attacked for it because anybody who criticizes Pao is automatically a sexist, misogynist pig.

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                                                            [–]EDGE515 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Would you rather she not apologize? Honestly there's no appropriate response she could give that wouldn't set off the angry mobs. Apologise and people snark that it is not sincere, (however true that may be), don't apologise and you outrage the other half demanding for a apology

                                                            [–]petit_cochon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Or the fact that it takes .5 seconds for someone to call her a cunt.

                                                            [–]Dakar-A 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Whaaaaaatttt? Reddit users would never be so childish as to downvote every one of her comments up to a year ago so that almost every comment she has made is -400 or greater? They would never be so petty.

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                                                              [–]Marsdreamer 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              It's like the laughable people asking for an AMA from her when literally every major subreddit has Nazi imagery on the front page, comparing her to Hitler.

                                                              There's no fucking way a real discussion is going to take place,and you know what? People don't even want a discussion. They just want to railroad her into the ground with inflammatory comments and downvotes.

                                                              Reddit is honestly not capable, nor deserving of transparency when Ellen is involved.

                                                              [–]yes_thats_right 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Sometimes as a CEO you have to do things whether you like them or not. She's not a baby, she is an adult in a powerful position and has some responsibilities -talking to those who are the lifeblood of her company is one of them.

                                                              [–]modestmoos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I understand where you're coming from with this comment but I thought the person you responded to actually had a valid question.

                                                              If she were to tell us that she's worried about losing traffic and, therefore, income, I would feel much better about this. That's a real reason for them to start paying more attention to what the community wants and they would have real incentive to accomplish what they say they will. I don't buy for a second that this has anything to do with suddenly realizing that this is the "right" thing to do, which seems to be how they are playing this off.

                                                              I think the way they've demonized this woman is abusive and unnecessary but as much as I want this to all be resolved, she does come off as disingenuous a lot of the time. Her words often sound like insincere, scripted, damage control, faux-mea-culpa and it turns me off. It feels like a politician who starts apologizing for their misdeeds only because they realize the public sentiment is finally turning against them and it will eventually have a negative effect on their ability to get what they want.

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                                                                [–]grosslittlestage 1294ポイント1295ポイント  (70子コメント)

                                                                Hint: she doesn't actually regret anything

                                                                These are business people who give zero fucks about Reddit except for what it's price will be once they finish monetizing it and sell it. Aaron Swartz was an idealist, but he's gone, so we're left with a lawsuit-happy MBA and the asshole popcorn guy. What do you expect from that leadership?

                                                                [–]Kegsta 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                We're Sorry

                                                                [–]german_nerd 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Right. It's damage control.

                                                                [–]RiotDesign 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Honestly, reading the apology reminded me too much of the way a child apologizes when they're not really sure what they did wrong. They say "I'm sorry, I really am" and when you ask why they are sorry it was "for making you mad" not for what they did to make you mad in the first place.

                                                                [–]Froghurt 111ポイント112ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                Aaron Swartz was an idealist, but he's gone, so we're left with a lawsuit-happy MBA and the asshole popcorn guy.

                                                                Goddamnit stop using a dead person's name to push your own agenda. Aaron wrote some code for this website and thus was included as a founder. THAT WAS IT.

                                                                Other than that he was without a doubt what some would call a SJW.

                                                                Not to mention that before he died he was working at ThoughtWorks, who now has an annual Aaron Swartz award. I also worked there so I can assure you that they are a pro-socialist, pro-feminist company who has special programs to hire and promote women and minorities. They give days off to go protest or volunteer and during a black lives matter protest they shut down HQ and the entire in office staff went out to participate. We have open, company wide conversations about things like using gendered pro-nouns (don't do it) and office parties always include social justice workshops. They even have a director of social justice. From what I know through mutual co-workers, he would have been sick over people using him to defend racism and harassment- which may not be quite what this idiot was doing, but I've seen it enough for it to be upsetting.

                                                                Source

                                                                Here, have some of his quotes:

                                                                It’s typical for the hacker spirit, right. Who cares about age and looks, as long as you’re smart!

                                                                I’d like to think that’s the case, but seeing how the tech community mistreats women and people of other races, I can’t endorse that wholeheartedly.

                                                                Can you give some examples of misogyny or racism?

                                                                If you talk to any woman in the tech community, it won’t be long before they start telling you stories about disgusting, sexist things guys have said to them. It freaks them out; and rightly so. As a result, the only women you see in tech are those who are willing to put up with all the abuse.

                                                                I really noticed this when I was at foo camp once, Tim O’Reilly’s exclusive gathering for the elite of the tech community. The executive guys there, when they thought nobody else was around, talked about how they always held important business meetings at strip clubs and the deficiencies of programmers from various countries.

                                                                Meanwhile, foo camp itself had a session on discrimination in which it was explained to us that the real problem was not racism or sexism, but simply the fact that people like to hang out with others who are like themselves.

                                                                The denial about this in the tech community is so great that sometimes I despair of it ever getting fixed. And I should be clear, it’s not that there are just some bad people out there who are being prejudiced and offensive. Many of these people that I’m thinking of are some of my best friends in the community. It’s an institutional problem, not a personal one.

                                                                But hey, when Ellen Pao sues for sexual discrimination she's just lazy and a misogynist right? Aaron would never do that right?

                                                                http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-05-07-n78.html

                                                                Ooh, want some more from his own blog?

                                                                For the next hour, me and the rest of the panel answer questions from the audience, and I comfortably talk about everything from the gender gap in technology (which, I assure them, is worse than in any other field and a result of the most disgusting discrimination and misogyny) to the future of news (freelancers and aggregators, not institutions).

                                                                Yes, that's from his own wesbite.

                                                                [–]Frisian89 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Just another chore

                                                                [–]FPHThrowaway1234 126ポイント127ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                you mean like fucking those married dudes to advance her career or bilking that fire departments pension fund?

                                                                [–]lukien 210ポイント211ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                                Don't forget she asked for the exact amount from her ex employer that covered her hubby's ponzi scheme.

                                                                [–]FPHThrowaway1234 54ポイント55ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                I wonder if she regrets losing that frivolous law suit?

                                                                [–]CloudOfEiderDown 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                She will appeal again, people like her don't give up easily. Just like right now, even after a growing number of Redditors want her gone, she is clinging on to her post and making mod submissions.

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                                                                    [–]Doulich 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    wow i sure am hungry for another round of five guys burgers and fries

                                                                    [–]narcedmonkey 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    then turning around and accusing them of sexual harassment

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                                                                        [–]Nickompoop 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                        Dude, that's how an apology works. The admins are acknowledging that they fucked up, and that they're promising to fix it.

                                                                        Honestly, I feel bad for the admins; Reddit users clamor for a response, then when they get one, they reject it out of hand as "not genuine." It's like you don't actually want to forgive Pao and are just looking for a way to stay pissed at her and the other admins.

                                                                        What more do you want?

                                                                        [–]jmnugent 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        they reject it out of hand as "not genuine."

                                                                        That's because it doesn't feel genuine. Plain and simple. It feels very cold/distant/disconnected and insincere. It reads like some kind of legalese/boilerplate you copy-pasta out of a 2nd year Law Journal.

                                                                        If they took the effort to sound more human,.. to put some specifics in it. To include the Users (and not just sound like "Hey, we're gonna fix things for Mods") ... then I don't think you'd see the negative reaction as much as you are now.

                                                                        I mean fuck.. I think I could write a better "apology" than that.. and I've never been the CEO of anything.

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                                                                          [–]yishan[Δ] 2338ポイント2339ポイント x3 (755子コメント)

                                                                          Because she's not really responsible. She's been in the job for a few months and is cleaning up the mess I made.

                                                                          The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

                                                                          EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

                                                                          [–]G_Comstock 106ポイント107ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                          Fair play for taking whatever portion of the flak is your due.

                                                                          [–]illegal_deagle 21ポイント22ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                          Did Yishan accept $50M in venture capital? I'm pretty sure that's a Board call, not a CEO call. Ultimately, whoever solicited and accepted that money is what sent us down this path.

                                                                          [–]yishan[Δ] 135ポイント136ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                          Ultimately, whoever solicited and accepted that money

                                                                          Well, that was me.

                                                                          [–]like_a_baws 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Well that's cleared that up then!

                                                                          [–]illegal_deagle 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                          Geez, man. I really didn't think that was just your call. Good on you for owning up to your decisions.

                                                                          1. What was your plan to get these investors their money back, plus ROI?

                                                                          2. What timetable was given to you for repayment?

                                                                          3. Is the current regime's mindset that this cash infusion was worthwhile, or do they feel hamstrung by the expectations attached to it?

                                                                          [–]deadwavelength 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          Obviously I'm not Yishan, but that's not how VC money works. You don't plan to pay them back - they bought equity in the company. They now own shares in Reddit - if the company dies, then there's no repayment.

                                                                          Their hope is that the value of Reddit as a company increases, thus making their shares grow in value. In order to do that, Reddit has to grow one or all of its key metrics: users, revenue, time on site, etc. The more those grow, the more the value of the company increases.

                                                                          [–]forgottenCode 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          However, at the time the investments were made, reddit was not sufficiently monetized. reddit has begun the gradual shift towards further monetization and no one can be sure where this path will lead. reddit's investors have incentive to monetize the website further in order to increase ROI (or to even have a return at all).

                                                                          [–]rondeline 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Pretty sure VCs only care about one metric above all and that's profitability. For $50m they're going to want 10x roi. If someone comes along and does $1b buyout, all the better.

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                                                                            [–]turkeynipples1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Hi, please give me some. Thanks for your cooperation.

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                                                                              [–]wierdaaron 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              VC money on its own isn't a bad thing. Neither this site nor many of the sites you use daily would exist without a steady pumping of VC money before (even after, sometimes) becoming profitable.

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                                                                                [–]Deimorz 101ポイント102ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

                                                                                I think you should be able to do it now.

                                                                                [–]allthefoxes 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Oh don't forget me..

                                                                                heh..

                                                                                [–]yishan[Δ] 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                Thanks /u/Deimorz! Hope you're doing well!

                                                                                [–]GusTurbo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                thanks me too

                                                                                [–]reostra 16ポイント17ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                While you're at it...

                                                                                (Also, hi!)

                                                                                [–]NotFlameRetardant 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                admin emeritus

                                                                                Nice

                                                                                [–]unique616 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Thank you for working on the new moderator tools. I like using the auto moderator.

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                                                                                  [–]99639 1563ポイント1564ポイント  (431子コメント)

                                                                                  She has done plenty in her short term here to upset a lot of people, all on her own. The things that happened before she arrived are why people are angry at the admins in general, rather than just Ellen in particular.

                                                                                  [–]OneManWar 46ポイント47ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                  Can you list out all the terrible things she's done? I'd like to know so I can join in on all this hate.

                                                                                  EDIT: That's what I thought, no one can really give specifics here.

                                                                                  [–]Raezak_Am 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Something something this

                                                                                  [–]mack2nite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  That was quite entertaining.

                                                                                  [–]blahblahdoesntmatter 160ポイント161ポイント  (296子コメント)

                                                                                  She removed FPH and a few others, which made some people angry, but most didn't care. That uproar died after a few days of petulance, and I honestly don't see any real issue with the action. And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission. I understand why people are mad about this one, as mods volunteer a lot of their time to keep this site running, and admin communication is important. Still though, an apology and an action plan should be enough to fix that. If you think firing Victoria was bad, what's the action plan for mods when Pao acquiesces to the mob and abruptly resigns?

                                                                                  [–]Bifrons 362ポイント363ポイント  (62子コメント)

                                                                                  And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission.

                                                                                  She doesn't have to ask anyone for permission before firing an employee of hers. What she does need to do, though, is fully understand the impact the loss to the company will be and take steps to minimize the impact. It's here where she failed.

                                                                                  [–]Kiltmanenator 73ポイント74ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I take your point but eliminating salary negotiations is worthy of ridicule, at the very least.

                                                                                  It doesn't help women or men who know how to do it.

                                                                                  It doesn't help women or men who want to learn how to do it.

                                                                                  It's a patently anti-labor move that everyone ate up as a win for equality. It benefits the management's bottom line and Pao's reputation and that's it.

                                                                                  [–]atomsk404 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  this is probably the best point about her being a shitty leader and 'pr speak' "master".

                                                                                  the reality is they want to limit salaries. fine, just dont try to piss on people and say its raining.

                                                                                  [–]InternetWeakGuy 127ポイント128ポイント  (124子コメント)

                                                                                  She removed FPH and a few others, which made some people angry, but most didn't care.

                                                                                  Correction: Most people were pretty happy about it. FPH was fucking awful, and the attitude from there was spilling into all the other subs. I'm not even overweight and all of a sudden I was getting called a fatty in random subs all over the place, and it was always people with histories full of FPH posts.

                                                                                  Fuck FPH, good riddance.

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                                                                                    [–]themdeadeyes 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                    Right, because reddit actually stopped and considered the history of mismanagement and then decided that the rational course of action was to make death threats over the mismanagement of a fucking website.

                                                                                    [–]billcosbysweater 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                    I'm okay with her upsetting the FPH and edgy teenager crowd. Nothing of value was lost by her decision.

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                                                                                      [–]brokenarrow 14ポイント15ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                                      What mistakes of yours are you referring to?

                                                                                      [–]ichbineindonut 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      Can you see if you can get /u/chooter an alum distinguish, too?

                                                                                      [–]DefundYou 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      just say "evil republicans" and get a thousand upvotes

                                                                                      [–]codyave 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Lol, her job is to take the heat for the board of directors' decisions. She's doing it very well, too. Oh yeah, and getting paid buckoo-fucking-bucks.

                                                                                      If anything, /u/kn0thing should be the one getting our vitriol. I mean, which he sorta kinda already is because he can't stop making dumbass comments.

                                                                                      [–]color_thine_fate 31ポイント32ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                      That doesn't really speak to the recent issues, such as the firing of Victoria without involving the moderators. Not in the decision-making, of course, because that is and should be handled internally, but they should have involved the mods in the post-game, to equip them with an alternative. Being stripped of Victoria without warning left them crippled, and was a terrible management decision. Whether the mods are being paid or not, they're still essential to reddit's success, period.

                                                                                      Also it doesn't speak to the censorship on the site, such as this shit, where a user was actually shadowbanned after making a comment about Pao. He is currently still banned. Maybe it was unrelated, but I highly doubt it.

                                                                                      I admire your honesty, claiming fault for many things. But she's addressing fucking SEARCH for christ sake. I mean, yeah, reddit's search is ass-awful, but there is not one single pissed off user who read that post and was like, "Finally! All we wanted was for Pao to publicly address search! Pitchforks down everyone!"

                                                                                      She may be cleaning up a mess you made, but to imply that, aside from that, errythang's smooth sailing, you - like Pao - are either missing or ignoring the issues most upset users are actually upset about.

                                                                                      [–]triangle21323 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      You made a post on quora regarding fph that was exactly the communication reddit should have made on day 1. So don't pretend this is all your fault.

                                                                                      Edit: for reference:

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                                                                                      [–]JilaX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      So, you laid the plans to fire Victoria with no notice and no back up plan, in an attempt to make AMAs more commercialized?

                                                                                      Interesting.

                                                                                      [–]DoubleGSpot 63ポイント64ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                      redditors are treating Ellen this way because this is the internet and we have the ability to google her and find out all sorts of things she's done outside of being reddit CEO that are of questionable morality.

                                                                                      This frames the things she has done as CEO and directly affects the way we perceive anything she says publicly. Her credibility is shaky here not only because of the way things have been going for the site lately but because out in the real world she does some seriously messed up stuff.

                                                                                      [–]BloodInMySaltStream 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                      I said this just above, but it should be a response to you as well:

                                                                                      The stuff that is broken can be on the previous administration. But communicating future plans for resolution, to fix them, or what needed fixing WAS her responsibility.

                                                                                      Sticking your head in the sand and doing nothing, OR not talking about plans for the future and ignoring requests for communication - she is fully culpable.

                                                                                      You liken it to the previous president - the new one comes in with a State of the union, and has frequent communication about their plans, and what they will do to better the nation. She has done next to nothing in that regard. This is the bases of the problem! Many users, including myself, are angry with the refusal to communicate. And when they do, its inflammatory or sarcastic! Way back in the days of Fark, an Admin named Jeff did something nearly identical, and was sacked nearly the next day. Is this any different? Check this out: http://www.fark.com/comments/7692480/Youll-get-over-it

                                                                                      [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                      Props for linking to Fark. When you know your community, you know how to properly handle your admins, and Drew knows his community. The problem here is that even Alexis doesn't understand this and tends to be more of a problem than a solution. When the top of the ladder has the wrong attitude that just bleeds all the way down to the bottom rungs.

                                                                                      [–]Lupus-Yonderboy 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      When you know your community, you know how to properly handle your admins, and Drew knows his community.

                                                                                      That redesign a while back didn't go over well, with Jeff and the whole "They'll get over it" thing. I left then, and haven't been back since. I'm getting a lot of the same vibe from the recent events here on Reddit.

                                                                                      [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Yeah, that whole fiasco was just a hot mess. Some people just get an ego over their 'power' to administer a website.

                                                                                      I can't help but imagine Kanye West in front of a keyboard when picturing admins and mods who have that sort of attitude.

                                                                                      [–]BloodInMySaltStream 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      I did Slashdot, Fark, Digg, Reddit, Voat...hell, I beta-tested BitTorrent by Bram. Mozilla Firebird, BearShare...I've been doing this a long time. I remember the day Fark went rainbow and Jeff lost it. I was IN THAT THREAD! This is why I'm not happy...I feel the top level is out of touch, and its killing us as users. Being a kid and getting Mod points on Slashdot was so cool. And getting good points and notice when I was just learning as a child on Slashdot made me feel good about myself. I got props for good ideas as a child. Slashdot in the 90s was awesome.

                                                                                      ...I think I still have a TotalFark account...

                                                                                      [–]JustAnotherGuyPoopin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      I remember the day Fark went rainbow and Jeff lost it. I was IN THAT THREAD! This is why I'm not happy...I feel the top level is out of touch, and its killing us as users

                                                                                      Every word of it. Truth. Drew did the right thing there. There's a reason that the "Morning Radio Zoo Crew" gets their best talking points from there. He knew what his community wanted and fostered it. You don't talk down to the people who butter your bread. You productively engage them. I just don't see that in the top-levels of reddit.

                                                                                      [–]BloodInMySaltStream 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      I used to, but I don't anymore. And that makes me sad. I'm cool with helping reddit make money. I'm okay with CHAGNE, but at least include us in the discussion...

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                                                                                          [–]UnconfirmedCat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Ok I'll bite, could you clarify on this "mess" you're saying you created?

                                                                                          [–]gjallard 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          If I might gently disagree with two of those statements...

                                                                                          "she's not really responsible" and "and is cleaning up the mess I made"

                                                                                          A CEO is the highest ranking officer of a company and is responsible for leading the development and execution of its long term strategy with a view to creating shareholder value. This leadership role also entails being ultimately responsible for all day-to-day management decisions and for implementing long and short term plans. A CEO acts as a direct liaison between the Board and management and communicates to the Board on behalf of management. A CEO owns the responsibility to communicate on behalf of the company to shareholders, employees, government authorities, other stakeholders and the public.

                                                                                          When you assume the job of CEO, in every sense of the word, you are the company. Although you might not like it, you inherit every thing that came before you, and become ultimately responsible for it.

                                                                                          In short, she might not have created this mess, but she owns it now!

                                                                                          [–]liaquat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Mate, you sucking as CEO is not exclusive of her doing an ever worse job or as bad- difficult as that may be.

                                                                                          [–]LittleClitoris 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Did you really compare Ellen Pao to Barack Obama? Comparing a corporate executive with the first African American president is fucking stupid. Comparing a corporate executive to Adolf Hitler is also stupid since Ellen Pao could never compare to Hitler and his numerous evil deeds even if she tried. It would be more appropriate to compare her with a Ferengi from the Star Trek world.

                                                                                          [–]czechm8e 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          What a load of drivel. A CEO of a company doesn't get a 7 month grace period to trash the company's leadership reputation and claim lack of responsibility. If the CEO isn't 'responsible' then what are they being paid for?

                                                                                          [–]SpaceSteak 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                          Except Obama didn't have Pao's recent legal troubles. Her frivolous lawsuits are enough to highlight her major issues.

                                                                                          [–]i_lost_my_password 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          You did a few things that pissed of the users, like getting rid of viable up/down votes, but I think you knew what the future of reddit needed to look like - decentralized. I think a decentralized social network would never be profitable the way the investors need it to be and I think you saw this future and realized this was a game that could not be won.

                                                                                          [–]WOW_SUCH_KARMA 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          So cleaning up a mess includes firing your greatest PR asset?

                                                                                          [–]ruinercollector 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                          "hurr-durr you guys are liek republicans..."

                                                                                          shut the fuck up, yishan.

                                                                                          [–]EconamWRX 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          Former CEO of reddit asking via edit if his comment can get some notice....

                                                                                          Man... this is one weird place.

                                                                                          [–]Boredguy32 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I'll read the Former CEO comment, but first I'm waiting for dicknipples to weight in.

                                                                                          [–]batardo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          This isn't black and white. Ellen has made genuine mistakes of her own – promising transparency and failing to be transparent, placing administration and marketing above the needs of the community, to name a couple. What's been lacking through this whole debacle is leadership – the sort of leadership a large community needs to tide it through change. Ellen is the CEO. It's her job to provide that leadership, and she failed to do it.

                                                                                          [–]cakes_and_pies 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          You can't compare Pao to the President of the United States of America. Completely different.

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                                                                                            [–]EruptingVagina 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Maybe because of massive community backlash? Maybe because she's human and responds to criticism just like everybody else?

                                                                                            [–]Snaaaaaaaaaake 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                            You know what. I think you're wrong. I think she actually is being genuine and if she didn't want to do this job she would have left by now. The door was open for her and she could have taken other opportunities. Instead, she's here, saying she wants to work with you and she hasn't given up yet.

                                                                                            GIVE HER A BREAK.

                                                                                            [–]Ad__Hominem 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                            I agree that she's probably actually a true believer, and that makes her even more terrifying.

                                                                                            She really, truly believes that she is a beleaguered hero in a world that is out to persecute her specifically.

                                                                                            And, y'know, what she actually is- a broke woman married to a gay man. A man who happens to be a lifelong crook who has stolen from everyone he's ever interacted with, including a half a billion dollar Ponzi scheme, the fallout of which has left Pao and her husband with over $100,000,000 in debt over his crimes. Of course, if you want just the money Pao has burned through herself, she owes a few million to her own lawyers and a quarter million to Kleiner-Perkins for filing frivolous discrimination lawsuits. She is a criminal on the border of going to jail, and she believes she is Elon Musk mixed with Rosa Parks.

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                                                                                              [–]pfftYeahRight 6ポイント7ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                              It seems to me like she's regretting the fact that they didn't realize how big of a deal it was. I don't know. Rather than the vague "regretting things that have been years in the making" it's regretting their bad response to those specific things. In essence, regretting the very thing people are upset about, and that they let it get this bad.

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                                                                                                [–]UnicornFritters 38ポイント39ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                It's really ironic to me how lack of communication is what people are screaming for, yet they downvote you and hide your comments from the masses cause of all this herd mentality. It's a shame, honestly.

                                                                                                Edit: The comment is positive now

                                                                                                [–]tyereliusprime 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                If more Reddit users followed Reddiquette, the site would be marginally better. I don't care how much people dislike Ellen or Alexis, I'd like to read their responses without having to search through a barrage of crap comments.

                                                                                                [–]UnicornFritters 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                Yeah. I'm so sick of seeing some dumbass say "DAE charimen pao xD" get 1000 upvotes while an comment adding to the discussion gets downvoted a million times.

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                                                                                                  [–]noinfinity 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  I think its ridiculous that you couldn't find a way around that being an admin on the site and all.

                                                                                                  This shows that you aren't really dedicated to the issue and are not willing to put time into getting your point across.

                                                                                                  [–]Dustinss5 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  If only you had some kind of blog or announcement page, or simply knew how Reddit works.

                                                                                                  [–]slice_of_pi 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  You had the option to make an announcement four days ago. I don't believe /r/announcements was blacked out.

                                                                                                  Given that your current karma tally is still positive despite obvious brigading of your post history, making a site wide announcement, like the original post here, was well within your ability.

                                                                                                  I'm calling bullshit.

                                                                                                  [–]MaryWitch 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Your comment just went from -80 and when I refreshed a minute later it's on +245 ?

                                                                                                  [–]Carinhas 166ポイント167ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                  It's hard to communicate on the site when you don't even know how to use it.

                                                                                                  [–]pedr2o 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                  The thousands of people who keep down-voting her don't know how to use reddit either.

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                                                                                                    [–]Sunshine_Bag 235ポイント236ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                                    You literally are the CEO of the site. You can have your messages be at the top of EVERY SINGLE SUBREDDIT AT ONCE.

                                                                                                    [–]supergauntlet 745ポイント746ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                                                    and have everyone bitch and moan about how ellen pao abused her CEO position to force her post to the top?

                                                                                                    not fuckin likely

                                                                                                    [–]xscz 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                    there have been front page admin announcement boxes put up before and they were reasonable.

                                                                                                    [–]hitman6actual 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                    But not while everyone was raging about censorship and the admins choosing what will hit the front page.

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                                                                                                      [–]mrawesomebroseidon 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Yeah like that'd go over well

                                                                                                      [–]bunglejerry 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      There'd be no backlash to that, none at all.

                                                                                                      [–]fluffywhitething 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      And then everyone would be crying about how she abuses her power to force her message to be seen. There is literally nothing she can do that will not earn her complaints. She's made an announcement. Things are in the works. Let's see where this goes.

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