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[Recap] AMAgeddon (self.SubredditDrama)

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Sit down here. Comfortable? Let me grab the popcorn. Okay, here we are. Let me tell you about a tale. This takes place in time where drama growing massive was not an uncommon sight. However, this... this... was different. We had never saw it coming. The Fattening was big enough, but we had thought we had reached the peak. Could the drama explode farther? Surely, there could not be something more massive than this?

But less than a month later, we found out that we were wrong, very much so. Reddit fired Victoria Taylor, leading to a firestorm that swept across all of reddit, leaving no subreddit unscathed in it's wake. This is... AMAgeddon.

It all started, when /r/IAmA, a subreddit dedicated to hosting "Ask Me Anything" sessions, had received a moderator mail saying that Victoria, who usually helps with many AMAs, was not available.

Because /r/IAmA would have large problems if it were to continue, they shut their subreddit down in order to sort their problems out. This was unprecedented, but still the calmest part of the largest drama wave ever on reddit.

In the hours following this, /r/science, /r/books, /r/music, /r/AskReddit and almost all of the 100 17 of the defaults would shut their doors, each with a similar message. Screencap of IAmA when it was private.

Many speculation happened over the nature of the firing, and some think that the Jesse Jackson AMA had something to with it, but this is unconfirmed. /u/ekjp (Ellen Pao), however has said that this now-deleted Quora post had nothing to do with it.

Tensions between the mods and the admins and the users and the admins would run high, with almost all admin posts on the issue were downvoted to oblivion, back, and back into oblivion again.

Edit: /u/jbranscum reminded me that I left out a very important part of this. And so, I have edited the OP to show you that these indeed were dark times, that /r/sexypizza had gone private. This is when we knew we truly had something different coming here.

/u/kn0thing makes a highly downvoted remark in SubredditDrama about the whole situation, which had sparked off a drama comment chain, to put it mildly. A subreddit, /r/popcorntastesgood, has been formed around it.

All was buttery, until...

/u/Dacvak, a former reddit admin, did an IAmA once the subreddit came back up made a claim saying that he was fired because of his cancer. This caused round 2 of the dramawave in SubredditDrama, and caused more buttery goodness all across the site.

The popcorn kernels would continue to pop in /r/pics, /r/videos and /r/todayilearned when they reopened, with users upvoting everything and anything that had to do with Victoria. A reddit server was also aptly named that. Also, in this time, /u/kickme444's firing had come to light with [a post to /r/SecretSanta][

/u/kn0thing publicly responds in the Upvoted newsletter. I have copied-and-pasted the response here:

So. Things were… eventful this week. To put it mildly.

It started on Thursday when we let go one of our employees, Victoria Taylor, who had helped coordinate AMAs for the last couple years.

I can’t publicly comment on why we made this decision, but I can talk about the way we handled it—we screwed up. Victoria worked extensively with the moderator teams in r/IAMA, r/books, r/science, and more to make sure AMAs went smoothly, and when she left, we didn’t have a great process in place to handle that transition and didn’t communicate it to those mods very well.

The mods of r/IAMA, concerned about how things would work moving forward, temporarily shut down the subreddit. Many more mods, also upset by our failure to provide proper tools and support, followed suit. As you may have noticed, Reddit looked pretty different from normal for a while.

There’s a much more in-depth overview of what happened in r/outoftheloop.

We’ve received the message, we’ve talked with a lot of moderators, and we’re going to get better. We know we’ve done a pretty terrible job at communicating. We know a lot of things on the site don’t work as well as you—and we—would like. We know there are a lot more issues and that the community as a whole is pretty unhappy with us right now.

I know apologies and promises feel empty right now, but that’s all I can give—with the additional promise that we really do mean it. We’ve recently hired a product manager for the community team who is working on new tools. We’re actively working on brigading. We’re figuring out solutions to improve modmail. But it takes time to make these changes, so they won’t be here tomorrow. But they will be here.

We’re sorry. And we’re going to do better. In the meantime, there were a lot of other really cool things that happened on Reddit this week, and we’d still like to share them with you below.

Edit: I've gotten word that the admins have responsed to this! /u/yishan weighs in here in the announcement thread here.

We were the chosen ones, dramanauts. We had fought, argued, popped popcorn, and yet, we made it. We have survived. We may never know Victoria's secret, but we will have emerged victorious in the end.

Notable threads

Relevant SubredditDrama threads will be nearer to the end of the thread.

Thread Description
Why has R/IAmA been set to private? Original OutOfTheLoop question asking why the subreddit was set to private. Comments are now locked.
Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? OutOfTheLoop recap thread, explaining a lot of who Victoria was, and why subreddits went private.
A complete synopsis of the reddit blackout from the perspective of a pics mod. Synopsis of what happen from the point of view of an /r/pics moderator
Welcome Back! (/r/IAmA) Modpost describing what will be happening in the future in regards to AMAs in this subreddit.
The Recent /r/Science Shutdown. Modpost about shutdown of /r/science.
[Mod Post] The Timer AskReddit modpost about "The Timer"
We hear you, let's talk (x-post from /r/DefaultMods) Initial admin response to the shutdown (there have been comments and more communication since then)
Dear reddit, you are starting to suck. /u/qgyh2, a notorious user for being a moderator of multiple large subreddits makes a post to /r/self showing his discontent with how reddit is run. Drama inside.
AMAgeddon tracking A full list of which subreddits went private during AMAgeddon
Leaked /r/science modmail conversation and mod response This is a discussion between the moderators of /r/science, and reddit admin /u/kn0thing over frustrations about the event. This is outdated, and not currently relevant to the state of affairs, but I have included it, because it did become a point of discussion at one point.
Reddit abruptly fires AMA liason Victoria in the wake of the Jesse Jackson AMA. /r/IAmA mods, left hanging by the admins, have turned the subreddit private. /r/circlebroke discussion about the event. Contains some bickering, but I didn't see anything too big at first glance
/r/IAMA is suddenly forced private; Victoria removed from her position at Reddit /r/conspiracy discussion, with an appearance of /u/raldi
IAmA has gone private with no notice due to one one of its top moderators being fired from reddit /r/subredditcancer discussion
[META] i got reddit's ama's shut down because of the Jesse Jackson ama /r/ShitRedditSays post, with lots of drama all over the entire thread.
We apologize Official admin response to AMAgeddon

News Articles

Article Source
AMAgeddon: Parts of Reddit go dark over dismissal of key admin CNet
Reddit Is Revolting Wired
Reddit goes dark for a day after moderators' revolt ZDNet
Reddit Revolts With AMAgeddon Over Sacking Of Staff Member Victoria Taylor Huffington Post
Reddit CEO Pao Under Fire as Users Protest Removal of Executive Bloomberg
Reddit CEO Says Miscommunication Led To Blackout Protest NPR

See also

Thread Description
/r/IAmA set to private over mod firing First SubredditDrama post about the topic and contained many links to posts
Reddit Live Thread for AMAgeddon) Reddit Live thread. This will be updated with new information until it dies down more. Want to shout out to /u/wicro and /u/SlendyTheMan for providing many updates about subreddits and more during the event.
The admins have broken the silence with posts to /r/defaultmods and /r/modtalk Posts in /r/modtalk and other drama related to it
We thought it couldn't get worse, it did: reddit admin claims he was fired by Ellen Pao for CANCER! SubredditDrama thread about /u/Dacvak's firing
/r/secretsanta organizer and reddit employee also fired. Reddit admin and Secret Santa organizer, /u/kickme444, was let go recently as well. This is the SubredditDrama thread about it.
Ellen Pao posts mea culpa; Redditors mostly unimpressed SRD thread about the admin response to AMAgeddon

Send a PM if you think there are any other notable threads, news articles, or whatever that I should include, and I may update the post. This will be continually updated, as will the live feed.

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[–]TeoKajLibroj 163ポイント164ポイント  (10子コメント)

Did anyone else find it really weird how fast Reddit went from "Mods are fascists" to "Mods are freedom fighters"? I mean the job of a mod is literally to remove junk (basically benevolent censorship) so I don't get how they became heroes of the anti-censorship campaign.

[–]NowThatsAwkward 57ポイント58ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politics makes for strange bedfellows. Even internet politics.

Remember that AMAgeddon popped up not long after the anti-Pao crowd finally realized that their outrage has faded into irrelevancy.

The reactionaries opportunistically hitched their wagon to the people with actual grievances against Reddit, which is why non-sequiturs about 'Chairman Pao' started to shoulder themselves in with the issues about AMAs and mod tools.

[–]colepdx 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoever is currently in conflict with the admins will find a ragtag group of EdgyJusticeWarriors at their disposal to sign petitions and post memes.

[–]Gilgamesh- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was because the mods began it with their own reasons - those of drawing attention to how dissatisfied they were with the admins' treatment of them specifically with regards to communication and moderator tools: they then went private. The user base then co-opted the mods' independent privatisation behind the banner of the anti-administrative parties on reddit - the mods therefore were seen as the leaders of the movement.

[–]ScrewAttackThis 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, most people don't even know the difference between mods and admins. A lot of reddit users just like to scream about issues on the internet. They don't care about being consistent or factual, just loud and obnoxious. Ironically, it's fueled by their desire for karma as well.

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    [–]martinsjus 213ポイント214ポイント  (56子コメント)

    Kinda disappointed it died down so quickly.

    [–]pchc_lx 152ポイント153ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Yeah, super grandiose movement of collected shutdown and outcry, featuring all the top mods and power users on the site..

    .. lasted about 8hrs. Most users don't even log in that often. SMDH.

    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think they came back up because they did get a response, but for anyone subscribed to only a few subreddits or only the defaults, it put a severe damper on the content.

    I do believe it was during a peak traffic time however, although I'm not sure.

    [–]jiandersonzer0Ellen Pao did 9/11 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A lot of that came directly from the fact that Reddit traffic cools down on the weekend. You have to imagine that even the bravest Internet warriors have things to do on a Saturday, especially July 4th.

    [–]NowThatsAwkward 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reddit seems busier on non-holiday weekends than on weekdays to me, but on holidays the non-defaults are usually pretty slow. Except for the meta subs last weekend, hoo-boy!

    I wonder if they've ever released data on what percentage of Reddit traffic comes from the US compared to other countries?

    [–]walt_ua 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    such a potential wasted..

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      [–]Riverrun_past_eve 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Oh man. kn0thing's comment got down to -5000. And then the Dacvak development was soooo sweet. It really kickstarted the drama-addiction. Now we've got withdrawal.

      [–]sh0tee 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

      I thought it should have ended once the admins gave the first apology letter. Everything else after that was so overdrawn.

      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Well, it didn't help that they posted that in /r/modtalk and /r/defaultmods only, but I see what you mean. I like what the /r/AskReddit and /r/history modteam are doing with "The Timer", however.

      [–]whatsinthesocks 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I think that's because it was originally mods, especially from default subs who "protested." Put that in quotes because the original sub to go private was not protesting.

      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Oh yeah, I agree. I think though that this hurt things slightly in that there wasn't an accompanying /r/announcements post, even with something like /u/kn0thing's apology in Upvoted.

      It'll sort itself out though, I think.

      [–]sagion 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hopefully more subs (especially the big ones) will agree to the Timer. The admins will actually be held accountable to providing better mod tools and improving the site. Well, in theory, at least. I'm also interested in seeing if the admins will continue honoring their hands-off policy when the default mods throw their weight around.

      [–]32OrtonEdge32dhRun the Jewels 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

      "we want change"

      "okay you'll get it later maybe"

      "okay"

      [–]lalala253looking for full time shill job 7ポイント8ポイント  (22子コメント)

      I hear there's another on in july 10?

      [–]kerovonAsk me about my personal reptilian overlords 14ポイント15ポイント  (12子コメント)

      They have been sending out a bunch of messages to people to try to get them on board. So far, the only large sub that I've heard confirmed is /r/conspiracy.

      [–]lalala253looking for full time shill job 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

      wait a minute. /r/conspiracy wanted to get blackout? but I thought during discussion whether or not they should also shut down, one of them said:

      this sub is the beacon of important info nobody else wants to talk about

      [–]kerovonAsk me about my personal reptilian overlords 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Someone says they confirmed.

      [–]Froghurt/r/ellenpaofanclub , for all your news on the Mother of Popcorn 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      $100 says atleast one of them will accuse the admins of forcing them to go private.

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        [–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsbCan't think of a flair 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

        They have been sending out a bunch of messages to people to try to get them on board

        Yep. I mod /r/HistoricalWorldPowers, a subreddit with under 500 subscribers, and just a few minutes ago some guy modmailed us that he "urges" us to "participate in the tenth of July blackout." I mean, it's a sub with less subscribers than /r/EthiopianFood or even /r/Null. Literally what is the point?

        [–]_lol_reddit_More at 11 on Channel Drama News 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

        /r/conspiracy going dark and expecting to make an impact is like someone turning off a night light in the bog marshes of Louisiana and thinking they have significantly reduced light pollution. Who is going to notice when barely anyone lives out in the wetlands?

        [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 39ポイント40ポイント  (8子コメント)

        That blackout/strike will not work because there will always be a steady flow of content on the front page, the only change is that the pool from where that content is chosen will be at best a couple of percents smaller.

        At best, we'll see a couple of larger subreddits shutting down, resulting in a situation where no one cares anyway, and at worst we'll see a couple of SRC posts about how they are now "totally" going to spend the day on voat.co.

        At any rate, it is pointless. The admins can't magically create a new set of mod tools and a new mod-admin communications policy from scratch in a few days. They have promised to work on it for real now in /r/defaultmods, and Alexis even said he will incorporate a few non-AMA/modtools related suggestions in consideration. Now the waiting begins until we get a proper toolbox.

        Fact remains that Reddit fired 32 people over the past 9 months, a huge loss of human capital and experience, which they can't magick out of thin air in a few days either. The admins show that they'll now finally (hopefully) will listen to moderator complaints, and hopefully we'll see the first positive changes within a month or so at the earliest. In short, let the waiting begin.

        [–]zxcv1992 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Fact remains that Reddit fired 32 people over the past 9 months,

        Seriously ? I know they fired a fair few people but 32 in 9 months.

        [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

        32 people have left/fired in total from reddit in the past 9 months. A lot of that was due to the forced relocation to San Fransisco around October I believe.

        [–]colepdx 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

        My brother-in-law's company just laid off most of his office and forced relocation out of state for those that remained. I mean, I've gathered that people seem to think that reddit as a company is special, but I'll just say that my BIL's job really involves a lot of travel and tbh it seemed silly to require his relocation, but there you go.

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          [–]4445414442454546this is not flair 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I assume you got that from here? In which case, it's 23 not 32. And that includes people who quit (even Yishan), not just those who were fired.

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            [–]godmin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Surprise!!!! It's not dead yet!!!

            https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/3cbnuu/we_apologize/

            https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cbo4m/we_apologize/

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              [–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) 72ポイント73ポイント  (8子コメント)

              /r/Blackout2015 wanted to organize another protest, but unsurprisingly very few mods were willing to go for it. I imagine why they wouldn't want to be associated with virulent anti-Paoists.

              Edit: And apparently their mods think that people are false flagging and spamming other subs' modmail to get them banned. Ha!

              [–]KyosBallerinaI've got a lovely bunch of coconuts. 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

              KiA has had a couple of threads encouraging the users to boycott on June 10th.

              There's also talks of a moderator strike.

              [–]Riverrun_past_eve 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

              A strike doesn't work when there are tons of people willing to do your job for free

              [–]HumanMilkshake 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'm planning on giving out four or five gildings in "SJW" subs on the tenth in protest of their protest.

              [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Also, I think that they did get a response in subreddits like /r/defaultmods, and I have no doubt that there are conversations we did not see.

              From an /r/science mod in response to "What are your feelings about further communications with the admins?"

              Tentatively we feel good about that. They seem to know that they fucked up, and badly. Fortunately, we are relatively independent like I said and so we will be cautiously optimistic and see how things progress. We have faith in the Reddit system in general and it provides an unmatched platform for us to bring science to people. So, we're going to do what we can to keep making Reddit better - hopefully with a more open dialogue with the Admins.

              Myself, I'm cautiously optimistic.

              [–]porcazozzaOh my baby, Oh my baby, oh Pao? Oh Pao? 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Hey, they still have /r/conspiracy and /r/croatianmusic

              [–]colepdx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Ah, that false flag of all the people getting on the FPH-PaoMustResign petition and then constantly parading it around.

              [–]AFabledHero 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And apparently their mods think that people are false flagging and spamming other subs' modmail to get them banned.

              Yeah a mod encouraged users to message everyone they could.

              This one was stickied

              This one is distinguished

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                [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 454ポイント455ポイント  (273子コメント)

                It started out so well, with genuine complaints against the admins, and now that whole blackout2015 thing is just an edgy anti-Pao circlejerk.

                [–]Froghurt/r/ellenpaofanclub , for all your news on the Mother of Popcorn 115ポイント116ポイント  (20子コメント)

                What really bothered me the most was qgyh2's thread here. That guy is literally responsible for reddit introducing the "max 3 defaults per moderator" because he just squats and doesn't moderate for shit, didn't do anything when shit hit the fan in /r/technology and basically threw agentlame and others under the bus for trying to moderate a subreddit, protecting his friends anutensil and maxwellhill, and now he makes a thread saying " o hai reddit you're starting to suck for ignoring your moderators" when that's pretty much all he has ever done.

                [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

                Oh tell me about it, I messaged that fuck a little while ago asking him to step down from /r/depression and /r/StopSelfHarm, because he is holding back those (vital for many people) communities, and his reply was basically "no, I won't step down because".

                [–]shannondoahattempted to oust the Jewluminati in just fifteen minutes. 22ポイント23ポイント  (13子コメント)

                I want him to shut down /r/India and /r/Pakistan for once(he's the top mod for both of them). Try to imagine the amount of masala...?

                [–]walt_ua 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                Yup. It's kinda wrong when this system of first-come, first-serve works with the subs. It is especially wrong when the name gets captured by some shady types promoting propaganda and hatred. However I don't see any way of fixing it, tbh.

                [–]dougie_g 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                The XKCD sub being a neo-nazi holocaust denial sub for ages being case in point.

                [–]DsagjiiggsScjjigsjsbCan't think of a flair 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Or /r/Holocaust right now.

                [–]backgammon_no 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                haha what?

                [–]dougie_g 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Seriously, it got squatted by some nutter from r/conspiracy who eventually went inactive and lost the sub.

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                  [–]AtIHateDota 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Don't make name uniques anymore.

                  For instance reddit.com/r/name could show all reddits named "name"

                  and reddit.com/p/name would show the most popular one only (popularity being defined by a certain metric)

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                    [–]brufleth 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Wait... so did he just make a bunch of subs early on and refuses to do anything with them now? That's stupid.

                    [–]shannondoahattempted to oust the Jewluminati in just fifteen minutes. 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yep

                    [–]brufleth 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I forget sometimes that there's such shitty people out there. I mean, this isn't like killing puppies or burning down schools, but it is still shitty. Like not picking up your garbage or shoving your way onto a train without letting people exit first. It just makes communities suck a bit more.

                    The difference being of course that Reddit isn't beholden to some magical forefathers and should be able to transfer ownership if enough people want it and tell this dude to fuck off.

                    [–]apunebolatumerilaila 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I can only shudder thinking about the wrath of Indians if that happens.

                    [–]TheLadyEve[M] 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Hey, we're avoiding username baiting in SRD now--please edit so as to remove the links (/u/), thanks!

                    [–]potverdorieI am become Pao, destroyer of free speech 186ポイント187ポイント  (75子コメント)

                    So many legitimate movements get co-opted by radicals who are all too eager to include their pet issues as well.

                    Damn shame, really, because it usually spells the end of whatever goals the original movement had in mind.

                    [–]mnamilt 132ポイント133ポイント  (27子コメント)

                    I think any legitimacy of the original criticisms by the mods was also strongly diminished by the lingering existence of the FPH-fallout and Pao-hate. At least that would for me be the most logical explanation as to why we got the hilariously inconsiderate popcorn-comment by kn0thing, he simply interpreted the frustration as a new part of the anti-Pao circlejerk, and realized only later that it was a different group of people who were being frustrated.

                    [–]Froghurt/r/ellenpaofanclub , for all your news on the Mother of Popcorn 64ポイント65ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    a new part of the anti-Pao circlejerk, and realized only later that it was a different group of people who were being frustrated.

                    I honestly believe kn0thing simply didn't have a clue about what was going on in the community any longer. When someone said "THEY'RE SHADOWBANNING PEOPLE WHO ARE CRITICAL OF PAO" he simply said "o rly? It'd surprise me but I'll check up on that".

                    [–]mnamilt 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Absolutely, that is what I implied: because kn0thing didnt know what has happening in the community he could confuse the anti-Pao circlejerk with the moderator frustrations.

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                      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 42ポイント43ポイント  (17子コメント)

                      Oh, the popcorn comment. I think that's becoming a reddit meme now, in a sort of way. I decided to google images kn0thing, and found that it's near the top.

                      [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 41ポイント42ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      You know, I never really paid attention to what Alexis looked like. He has a really friendly, goofy face. I can't believe I have never noticed that before.

                      [–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      He's a cut-price Ted Mosby.

                      [–]Eaglefield 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Staring in the gripping television comedy "How i met your moderator"

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                        [–]carrayhay( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 Don't mind me just walking the admins 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        D'aaawww he's kind of cute

                        ;D

                        [–]Osiris32assistant sound tech in the world of internet drama 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I met the dude during his book tour. He's a nice guy, quite friendly and talkative.

                        He may be doing a shit job right now, but I can't say that he's a bad dude.

                        [–]colepdx 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        But popcorn DOES taste good! That looks like a good sidebar ad.

                        [–]jbkjam 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Am I the only one who didn't find that comment that bad? That he was just trying to use this subs terminology in a joke but just failed. Then this subreddit became what it usually laughs at. I am now starting to have much more respect for the mods stickied posts that we seem to get weekly on this.

                        [–]optimalg冒着敌人的炮火，前进! 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Those downvotes were probably from /r/all. SRD has kind of become the go-to spot for metareddit news lately, which draws in loads of users who are unfamiliar with SRD terminology and in-jokes. I don't think I've seen a single familiar username in the AMAgeddon threads. But yeah, I bet the past few weeks were fun for the mod team as well.

                        EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/Qn6FhYL.jpg

                        [–]AurailiousMemeism, a new form of Government 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I love reading the reports of very controversial things. A few /r/politics links gets these.

                        [–]Xylerin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Now to be fair... It was textbook shitposting.

                        [–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I agree. I mean, it wasn't the best timing, but the guy was getting absurd levels of hate from the general users. Like, just crazy comments. I can't say I blame him for resorting to jokes under that kind of... nastiness. And it wasn't even from the people who had good reason to be upset! Plus the admins generally get a more positive reception here, so I think he probably miscalculated how many /r/all users were invading the sub that day.

                        [–]thegirlleastlikelytoSRD is Gotham and we must be bat men 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It's actually super interesting to see SRD become the frontpage for metadrama and how it brings in more and more people. Any posts or comments that touches off reddit's KiA/FPH userbase goes haywire.

                        [–]Cerinthus 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think this is exactly what happened. I don't think he was trolling, I think he honestly thought it was in a thread where people would laugh at the joke, because he wildly underestimated the number and diversity of people who were pissed

                        I also think people who were pissed for good reasons get drowned out by the stupid. I think there are legitimate concerns from people who genuinely want reddit to be great, but nobody over the age of age of fifteen in their right mind wants to be associated with death threats or encouraging suicide.

                        The flip side of that is when reddit is awesome, when it stops SOPA or raises a fortune for a bus driver it doesn't do that in spite of being a place where these tantrums happen, but precisely because it's that kind of place.

                        If you're an admin, I don't know how you find the signal in the noise, but I do think the noise is essential to reddit being reddit.

                        [–]churakaagii 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        I don't mod anything, so I have no idea how valid the criticisms by mods are, though given how strong the feelings are, I'm guessing that there's some truth there. Because of that, my impression of most of this was that it was almost all FPH and anti-Pao drama, and mostly I just wanted to ignore what I saw as a massive temper tantrum.

                        So, yeah, I have no horse in the race on mod tools and communication, but I did want to reify your perceptions on how some non-involved folks perceived the legitimacy of what was happening.

                        [–]wjvds 26ポイント27ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        To be honest, even the goals of the original movement weren't that clear. Even the mods of the big subreddits didn't know what they wanted - several big subreddits went back to public after a simple statement from the administrators in a moderator-only subreddit saying they were working on better tools (with no proof whatsoever).

                        [–]Xaguta 30ポイント31ポイント  (11子コメント)

                        Well what else could they want? They're asking for better support for moderators.

                        You can't deliver that within a week. It makes no sense to stay private until then. Mods need to agree with admins on a reasonable timetable and hold them to it.

                        [–]wjvds 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        For starters, a bit more detail on what they were actually working on, like a good overview of what the top priorities are and how far they are with implementing them. Maybe an early preview in a seperate branch of the reddit source code repository on Github.

                        [–]skooterr 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I could have sworn they talked about new mod tools months ago. I can't remember where it was though. I know they mentioned tools for dealing with brigades.

                        [–]Xaguta 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        I forgot which subreddit has an actual countdown.

                        But they said they were promised anti-brigading tools by september, 3 months from now, and an overhaul of the current mod tools by December, 6 months from now.

                        Do you really want the Reddit devs to be micromanaged by a bunch of mostly uneducated moderators?

                        [–]Knappsterbottrying to seduce ttumblrbots 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Do you really want the Reddit devs to be micromanaged by a bunch of mostly uneducated moderators?

                        Sounds like it could cause drama, I'm for it.

                        [–]nowayinnowayoutLa Gargola 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I forgot which subreddit has an actual countdown.

                        /r/askreddit

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                            [–]Goonred 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Seems normal. A fair amount of protests in real life lose the original purpose.

                            [–]TeoKajLibroj 42ポイント43ポイント  (22子コメント)

                            It actually reminds me of Occupy Wall Street. There were genuine original complaints which then got replaced by extreme goals that could never be achieved. I mean what would the Blackout (or Occupy for that matter) accept as a victory? Or were they just permanent protesters?

                            [–]kaboutermeisje 36ポイント37ポイント  (13子コメント)

                            Occupy was started by radicals. When it became a mass movement, liberals and libertarians tried to co-opt it, but then they bailed when the police started breaking up the camps.

                            Don't believe the typical redditor narrative. I was there, in Zuccotti Park. I experienced that shit first hand.

                            [–]Osiris32assistant sound tech in the world of internet drama 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            I was in Portland, for the other big one. That first march wasn't radicals, it was a much wider and more diverse group of people with a couple reasonable goals. The city was willing to sit down and listen. The cops were willing to broker a deal between the protesters and the Marathon that already had a permit to use the same space. For the first week, it was actually quite nice.

                            It was the radicals who stopped talking to the city government (who was still willing to talk), it was the radicals who couldn't keep a coherent message supplied to the media, and it was the radicals who forced things to a head when the city finally said "you're trashing the living shit out of a city park, you need to leave." By that time the more moderate people had long vanished. I left when I was shouted down for saying that we should work with the police to get the few violent and destructive people removed.

                            [–]TeoKajLibroj 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Well the Irish one was very disorganised and didn't seem to have any particular objectives that could be achieved. They didn't even protest outside the financial area, instead they went outside the Irish Central Bank (which has no power as Ireland is part of the Euro).

                            [–]YungSnuggiethe jews cancelled firefly 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            occupy shot itself in the foot day one when someone decided it was a great idea to not have a distinct hierarchy of leadership

                            if that shit was organized under one umbrella, with one consistent message, maybe it wouldnt of fizzled out so quickly. but when they tried the hippie approach it allowed the movement to be co-opted

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                              [–]jsmooth7Billionaires' Rights Activist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              When I started seeing people saying that the Blackout proved that FPH was vindicated, I knew things were going downhill. The original blackout had nothing to do with the FPH banning at all, it was about mod-admin communication.

                              [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I'm still pissed about what happened during that big Iraq War protest that, by the time it got aired on C-SPAN, had somehow morphed into a rally about Palestine, Leonard Peltier, and Mumia Al-Jabal. The same exact thing happened to OWS, too. Those general assemblies were cool and all, but a protest movement needs visible, decisive leadership who will keep everything on track. Committees and assemblies never make good campaign decisions.

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                                [–]Jorge_loves_it 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                For example this gem from the CNN Money link now on the front page:

                                Every video I watch, every snippet I see and every interview I read about Ellen Pao induces a hatred I haven't felt for someone in a long time. It's not an implicit hatred like I would have for a murderer, psychopath or a bully. No, it's a lot more nuanced than that.

                                It's the same type of hatred that you get when someone cuts you in line at the supermarket. That type of anger that induces a little whence in the back of your neck and a shiver of anger echoing through the vestiges of your body.

                                That anger stems from my feeling that she's the personification of all the ills of society. She represents the corporate greed corroding the foundations of the things I love, the person looking for a handout, the one who's always looking to blame others instead of their own ineptitude, the person quick to use lawyers and sue instead of having a personal conversation. She's an adulterer and a liar and she's abused the goodwill of our society for her own personal gain.

                                In short, she's the type to cut her piece of the pie from the middle and still get mad when you eat the crust. And it's these very things about her that represents the moral decay I despise. I honestly can say this with a straight face. I despise her. I don't wish her any physical harm because I'm not that type of person, but I just wish she would disappear from this website and by proxy my life in general. She needs to be fired; since she's held the position of CEO bad things have happened here. Negative things. It's time Reddit shed her and move on.

                                Go away Pao.

                                EDIT: Thanks for the gold (I guess?). At the end of the day Reddit is just a website, but for me and many others we've spent a lot of time here and have a lot invested in the culture. If things don't work out then I will eventually go to another website. Not a terribly big deal. But I guess metaphorically speaking, it would be the same thing if the CEO of NASCAR decided to enact rules that went against the culture of the fans. They'd be pissed right? And the only people who would be trivializing their emotions would be those that weren't big NASCAR fans to begin with. So I get that many people wouldn't understand. But to the dude who's been wearing the same Dale Earnhardt Jr T-shirt to the Daytona 500 for the last 15 years he's gonna be pissed and I guess in some ways that's me. I'm flawed, I shouldn't be this invested, but that's just me.

                                How do you actually get this mad at a person you have literally no clue about? They have constructed the perfect strawman around her. She is actually hitler to them, and considering who a lot of the edgelords are she might actually be worse than hitler to them.

                                [–]BOREDOM-NOWHERE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That type of anger that induces a little whence in the back of your neck and a shiver of anger echoing through the vestiges of your body.

                                This guy belongs in the bad writer's gulag.

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                                  [–]Chairboy 119ポイント120ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                  I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the racism of 'Chairman Pao'. Sure, I get it, it's a "le funny" joke referencing communist Mao, but the fact that she's Asian-American pulls it from 'I'm a high school freshman and this is funny because I just learned who Mao is' to a racial crack.

                                  Want to delegitimatize your political or PR movement further? Don't just use a racially charged nickname, actively embrace it. Welp, a huge number of people in the Blackout movement have done exactly that.

                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 85ポイント86ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                  It has shifted the image of the "movement" from a protest towards a tantrum indeed. I mean, it should be okay to make fun of someone for what they did, not their personal attributes. This also means it is problematic to call black republicans "Uncle Toms" or "race traitors".

                                  Also, I can't get over how much the word "cunt" is used in reference to Ellen Pao - it makes the people using it look immature as hell.

                                  [–]mnamilt 56ポイント57ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                  Read this article by Vice: it interviews the people who protested against Pao regarding the FPH banning. Great insight in the minds of the people who use such language, and into their twisted immature minds.

                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 39ポイント40ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                  Go to the Reddit Facebook page, and click on the profiles of people commenting inane anti-Pao stuff on that page's posts. It is pretty entertaining to see how well the "scrawny internet tough guy" stereotype holds up.

                                  [–]skooterr 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Something that really surprised me was how openly shitty people are on Facebook.

                                  I would think people would hesitate to make angry, rude comments publicly to all their friends and family.

                                  [–]_pi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  You want surprise. Look at LinkedIn articles that talk about race/racism.

                                  Seriously, people with the entire employment history/professional networks using coded and not so coded racism.

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                                    [–]bushizsomethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer 26ポイント27ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    Anyone who has a picture of some Internet meme as their profile picture on Facebook is not someone I ever want to meet.

                                    [–]oikoik1 19ポイント20ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                    Yeah i've gotten flack for saying this before on reddit, but in 90% of cases you can judge who weirdos are by their facebook profile picture.

                                    If your profile picture is any of the following:

                                    • Memes

                                    • inanimate objects

                                    • Boring and or weird Selfies with no likes.

                                    Then 9/10 times you are friendless weirdo that I would like to avoid in real life.

                                    Have just looked on the reddit facebook page to update my list:

                                    • Any profile picture where you are holding a gun to look edgy

                                    • Photos of scenery

                                    [–]annyc 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    TIL I am a friendless weirdo :( :( :(

                                    [–]oldmanVSsky 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Go to any news site that uses Facebook comments, almost all of the reactionaries and trolls fit this profile.

                                    Lots of "works at school of hard knocks" as a job description as well.

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                                        [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I think it would be hilarious if she got on the reddit board and became the actual Chairman. That's some Lord Snow level irony.

                                        [–]dick-pimple-lover 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I genuinely feel bad for Ellen Pao. I mean sure, she's likely richer than I'll ever be, and she's probably doing pretty well in her life; but she's still human, and the amount of hate she draws because of her easy otherness is astounding.

                                        [–]colepdx 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The mob mentality, the fact that school is still out for the summer, and the relative anonymity feed into this. I mean, it's not a monolithic, singular entity, but it's weird as hell to read people advocate for death and rape of the admins but then feelin some type of way about hearing popcorn tastes good. smh

                                        [–]Cozy_Conditioning 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                        Which dictator do you think fits better?

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                                          [–]mynameisacoolname 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                          They ("they" being this vocal minority) are like, SO SHOCKED AND OFFENDED that Ellen Pao isn't on here begging for forgiveness. They've been posting threads saying they are going to jerk off on her photo and send it to her, and calling her names and everything else. But yeah, she should come here and apologize to them. Because, you know, censorship.

                                          My only hope is that these dummies are made up of really young dudes who will be posting screencaps of their outrage in /r/cringepics calling out their youthful stupidity.

                                          But I don't think that'll happen.

                                          [–]birdsofterrordiseVC Butter Investor 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          The FPH folks hate her so much too because she isn't what society considers fat or even could be construed as overweight. It is like when you are exceptionally nice to someone who wants to start shit and it makes them madder.

                                          [–]mynameisacoolname 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It is like when you are exceptionally nice to someone who wants to start shit and it makes them madder.

                                          I happen to think that is why she is handling this as well as can be expected. I can't speak to her as a CEO (and why would I? None of this has impacted me in anyway) but as a human person, she is doing the right thing. Just keep nodding and take the higher road. It's why she is who she is. Any CEO would be like this - above the fray.

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                                            [–]colepdx 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            If you haven't seen it, this thread provides the most succinct confirmation of everything you'd guess about the worst shitposters. "kill yourself and also your family deserved to be raped" -17 year old kid with no self-esteem that posts in AmIUgly

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                                              [–]SilentProtagonistI survived the Fattening and all I got was fat 39ポイント40ポイント  (62子コメント)

                                              This has become my personal conspiracy theory. They did the Fattening just so any future criticism based on vaguely legitimate grievances will be tainted by the OMG CENSORSHIP KILL PAO crowd.

                                              Oh well, maybe it'll convince more people to finally fuck off to voat.

                                              [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 68ポイント69ポイント  (52子コメント)

                                              (Note: I did not write this myself, this was copypasted from another user's comment in a thread I participated in yesterday)

                                              The first is that the company has never, ever been profitable. They admitted this themselves in 2013, three years after the introduction of "reddit Gold", and I'm yet to see a headline announcing a change to this state of affairs. Believe me, if they had gone into the black they'd be trumpeting it to the world. The only way that unprofitable companies remain in business is by convincing investors that there is some kind of payoff ahead.

                                              In September 2014, reddit took $50m in Series B funding, presumably to give it more runway as it continued to burn money. While I don't always see eye-to-eye with DHH, his characterisation of this move is hard to fault:

                                              That fresh $50M in Series B for Reddit is a predictable VC time bomb. Disarm it with a 10x commercialization or blow up the site trying. 💥💰

                                              How does you do it? How do you take a site that has never made a profit and turn it into something that will make its investors happy? It's not like reddit has been an Amazon, pumping more-than-its-profits into aggressive expansion. It's more like Twitter, looking dumbfounded at the cost of just satisfying its organic growth, wondering how it can translate all these people using the site into something worth more than it costs to serve them.

                                              You don't do it by just tweaking the things that have always been done. You have to start making hard, fundamental changes. In other words, you have to piss people off.

                                              Some of these changes will involve making policy decisions that improve reddit's PR and make it less toxic to sponsors. Some of them will involve clearing the decks of staff that might be unwilling to get on board with the company's new, more mercenary direction. Almost all of them will attract the ire of the site's users, who like it the (loss-making) way it was and don't want to see it change.

                                              Two months after the Series B was finalised, Yishan Wong resigned as reddit CEO in favour of Ellen Pao. You would have to be utterly naive to think these things were unrelated.

                                              CEOs are appointed by the board, and the board wants to give its investors the return they were promised. Websites as big and popular as reddit don't just run out of money and die, but they do eventually get cheap enough that some bottom-feeder media company can sweep them off the sea floor to milk the last few dollars out of their "brand". Pao's job isn't to let reddit meander forwards doing the things it has always done, earning herself a comfortable sinecure until that brutal end.

                                              Pao's job is to be Bad Cop; to make the hard changes the board thinks are necessary to secure the site's future, absorbing all the hate that entails. If that is successful, her reward is to walk away with a golden handshake, handing the business to a cleanskin replacement.

                                              (Note: I did not write this myself, this was copypasted from another user's comment in a thread I participated in yesterday)

                                              [–]OIPThis is the romance of man and melon 42ポイント43ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                              this is the most bizarre aspect. people are getting their underwear in a bunch over a private website as if it is a state-owned public organisation. the board could turn around tomorrow and say 'ah well fuck it, turn the servers off' or 'ok, subscription fee' or 'all abusive posters IP banned' or 'accounts linked to facebook' or anything. and there's absolutely nothing the users can do about it.

                                              on the other hand, the users make the site. so if there's any chance of it ever turning a profit, the management need to foster a community.

                                              the lack of profitability after all this time is weird. they have the community, and no viable competitors that i know of. why don't they just sell ad space? or do something.. i really don't get it.

                                              [–]piyochama◕_◕ 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Ad space only works if the attached "brand" is good.

                                              That's why 4chan was never able to do that - look at its brand, and tell me one major company (not involved in porn) that would be willing to actually advertise on it.

                                              [–]andrew2209A very British Teenager 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I think reddit does try and sell ad space. However, part of the appeal of reddit is the fact that the content is user generated. If reddit became more influenced by advertising, it could definitely put off a lot of the users.

                                              Although there is a community spirit, there is also much frustration towards the admins, 2 times in the last now the front page got overrun by protests from users, and now the Ellen Pao resignation petition has over 150'000 signatures.

                                              [–]skgoa 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              the lack of profitability after all this time is weird. they have the community, and no viable competitors that i know of. why don't they just sell ad space? or do something.. i really don't get it.

                                              That's just fricking hard to do. "Get lots of users, then monetize them somehow" is a very common business plan for web 2.0 startups but none have managed to do so yet. Facebook is throwing more and more ads, sponsored posts etc. at the users but can't turn a profit, Twitter is also trying to go down that route. Even the mighty Google hasn't managed to make YouTube profitable. The whole social network "industry" is a giant bubble that runs on capital raised either from angel investors/VC or from IPOs, if the company is far enough along.

                                              The whole thing is a giant legal ponzi scheme, because the early investors get their cut of every new round of funding after theirs and everyone makes bank through the IPO or through a bigger company buying them for a ridiculous stack of cash because of strategic reasons.

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                                                [–]ScrewAttackThis 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Yishan was a weird guy and introduced/did things in strange ways. I can only imagine that the reddit bitcoin fiasco played a huge role in his resignation. I mean, come on, the site isn't profitable but let's create a position in the company for a fanatic to start writing JavaScript based cryptocurrency.

                                                Reddit's inability to turn a profit is laughable. This site is big. It's huge, actually. I think what we're seeing isn't the final gasps of air for a site before its sold off and gutted. I think it's people tired of a company that should be making money, but isn't.

                                                [–]Elmepo 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                This makes sense. Pao's job is definitely to be the bad cop (It's what an interim CEO is), but I thought Yishan resigned due tofeeling the board had lost its faith in him after he was asked to provide a stronger business case for moving the reddit offices.

                                                [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Reddit's board is literally Alexis and one other guy, in case you didn't know.

                                                On-topic: I think Yishan left because his mental health was suffering under the responsibility of Reddit. I think he left out of his own initiative, not because of internal problems. Dude was erratic.

                                                [–]Elmepo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Wait really?

                                                I thought there'd be more as a result of the recent 50 mil round. Plus Alexis only recently became Chairman right? Does that mea previously the board was just one guy? Or was Alexis just on the board, and only recently became chairman?

                                                And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

                                                [–]Riverrun_past_eve 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I dunno if clumsy internet commenting suggests he was erratic in a pathological sense.

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                                                  [–]zxcv1992 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                  This is an interesting theory, I wouldn't be surprised if it was right. I remember Yishan saying a while back that they could be profitable if they fired half their staff but didn't want to do that, maybe now that is what they are doing with the recent firings of Victoria and the secret santa guy.

                                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 13ポイント14ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                  If you look at the "team" link on the footer of Reddit, and click on admin's names, you'll see that far too many of them are/were involved with gimmicks such as RedditMade, SecretSanta, RedditGifts and whatnot. Reddit has an insane amount of employees for a website that can be run by a skeleton crew (inb4 that tired maymay).

                                                  I think they couldn't run with half of the people though, unless they started restructuring their priorities (what Pao is doing now). They need to hire more community managers though, or at least promote some moderators to ViolentAcrez-esque (sorry for the comparison to that vile human being) community managers without pay.

                                                  [–]zxcv1992 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                  If you look at the "team" link on the footer of Reddit, and click on admin's names, you'll see that far too many of them are/were involved with gimmicks such as RedditMade, SecretSanta, RedditGifts and whatnot. Reddit has an insane amount of employees for a website that can be run by a skeleton crew (inb4 that tired maymay).

                                                  Yeah reddit does love it's gimmicks, maybe Ellen Pao will be a better CEO if she stops reddit pursuing gimmicks and starts investing time in stuff worthwhile. I guess we shall see though.

                                                  I think they couldn't run with half of the people though, unless they started restructuring their priorities (what Pao is doing now). They need to hire more community managers though, or at least promote some moderators to ViolentAcrez-esque (sorry for the comparison to that vile human being) community managers without pay.

                                                  Yeah more community managers who have a good dialogue with reddit would be a good idea.

                                                  [–]Brawldud 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  I had been a user for only a few months when the ViolentAcrez drama happened and the only time I had seen something he had posted, comment or link, was on the imgur founder's ama.

                                                  Besides moderating a bunch of creepy subreddits, what did VA do for the community exactly?

                                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  He was one of the most prominent moderators, taught a lot of other moderators how to properly moderate, was in direct contact with the admins, and even briefly worked for Reddit.

                                                  [–]Brawldud 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Wow, really? Based on his reputation circa his doxing I never would have guessed.

                                                  Is that why the admins didn't ban jailbait for a long time?

                                                  [–]vrgr23 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  There are too many assumptions in this theory for it to be taken seriously. Reddit definitely has something planned, but we have no reason to believe that this will result in drastic changes to the service.

                                                  My guess is since they hired a video team recently, they might go into the content creation business. The banner ads they currently have don't generate a ton of clicks, and referring people to other sites give reddit zero income. If they started making videos based on content that originated inside reddit (like the upvoted podcast, just in video form), then they can put their ads against these videos and make some real money.

                                                  Obviously, my theory is also based on a bunch of assumptions, but we really have no reason to assume something sinister is going on. At least my theory is backed by some facts (the creation of the upvoted podcast and reddit hiring a video team).

                                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  I never said it was sinister. Reddit is a company. They want to make money, so they want to make their site more appealing to advertisers. Nothing sinister about that.

                                                  [–]vrgr23 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The only time they close a subreddit is when individual people are harassed there, and the mods condone this. This has nothing to do with making the site more appealing to advertisers, since there are still hundreds of subs with questionable (to say the least) content.

                                                  [–]SilentProtagonistI survived the Fattening and all I got was fat 14ポイント15ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                  Hmm... now if someone were to turn this into a three-hour YouTube video it would a hell of a lot more convincing.

                                                  But if Pao is the bad cop... who is the good cop?

                                                  [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  According to reddit, Victoria.

                                                  [–]kleinbottlecap 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  [W]ho is the good cop?

                                                  Whoever takes over after Pao leaves:

                                                  If that is successful, her reward is to walk away with a golden handshake, handing the business to a cleanskin replacement.

                                                  Pao gets her hands dirty, let's the community hate her, gets paid, and leaves knowing she made the company more profitable for the incoming leadership. The new CEO if welcomed with open arms by promising to be nothing like the old leadership.

                                                  [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  A wall of text doesn't equal lunacy. In fact, this WoT kinda serves to disprove the whole "Pao is a social justice warrior hellbent on destroying Reddit" conspiracy theory.

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                                                      [–]jsmooth7Billionaires' Rights Activist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      I really like that theory. That's pretty much exactly what happened with me. I didn't like the admin's decisions, but once the discussion turned to how bad the censorship is in Reddit (yet again), I completely lost interest.

                                                      [–]kaboutermeisje 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                      My personal conspiracy theory is that they're causing all this drama intentionally to get the worst users to fuck off to voat, /pol/, stormfront, etc.

                                                      [–]bonjouramigos#FREECHOOTER 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Well, it didn't work, damnit. I'll be here forever, whining about SJWs, calling people fatties without even knowing what they look like, saying racist things about Reddit's CEO and just generally being an incalculably annoying waste of humanity and there's nothing you can do about it.

                                                      [–]Froghurt/r/ellenpaofanclub , for all your news on the Mother of Popcorn 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      "new rule: Bernie Sanders is now banned sitewide"

                                                      [–]birdsofterrordiseVC Butter Investor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      God, I so hope so. They can't help themselves mentioning reddit with every welcome post.

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                                                        [–]colepdx 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Or 17 year old's with no self esteem (verified) telling /u/kn0thing that he should kill himself and his family should get raped.

                                                        [–]vrgr23 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        But they're a vocal minority, just like the FPH people\Gamergate people, they're going to be relegated to a small movement that the mainstream mostly ignores. I hope that if the timer on r/askreddit runs out and the mods still don't get what they asked from the admins, there will be another real protest.

                                                        [–]wicroOfficial Popcorn Muncher, "It's NSFW. It has a dick" 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        that whole blackout2015 thing is just an edgy anti-Pao circlejerk.

                                                        Exactly. That's one of the reasons I stepped down, it went nothing like I was trying to make it.

                                                        [–]Show-Me-Your-Moves 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        They are the people on Facebook who insist Facebook is terrible and they're really, really leaving for good this time. It's the last straw! For real! Yup!

                                                        And then they don't leave, because FB still has all the users. Same shit.

                                                        [–]Defengar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Basically went like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjgY427qW8

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                                                          [–]CryEagleProud misandrist 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                          Place your bets, how many days until the next wave of drama?

                                                          I say 5 max.

                                                          [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 17ポイント18ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                          /r/C___Town (you know which subreddit I mean, not going to link it), has grown very fast, even faster than usual, over the past four weeks, and is now on track to break 20k subscribers before the end of this month. I am suspecting they will be axed in two weeks or so as part of a crackdown on hate speech subreddits.

                                                          [–]zxcv1992 25ポイント26ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          I don't think they will actually ban them, when they banned FPH they drew a line in the sand saying that you can post what crazy political ideas you want but if you start fucking with people due to it then that's when the line is crossed. So unless they don't start acting like FPH I think they will be able to remain..

                                                          [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          That is all nice and dandy, but Reddit is a company, not a political movement bound by ideals. They want to make Reddit profitable, hence the installation of Pao as CEO, and hence why they are going to axe the questionable subreddits in the foreseeable future.

                                                          [–]zxcv1992 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          They want to make Reddit profitable, hence the installation of Pao as CEO, and hence why they are going to axe the questionable subreddits in the foreseeable future.

                                                          We shall see I guess, but I don't think they will because while they want to make profit they also want to keep reddit by it's supposed ideals like freedom of expression, because they will look mighty stupid after going on about freedom of expression to then go back on it and start restricting more heavily.

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                                                            [–]CryEagleProud misandrist 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Oooh boy, can't wait...

                                                            /r/blackout2015 is bound to go down soon too (42k subs, at least 2 posts on the front page for three days now).

                                                            I'm in it for this reason

                                                            [–]shannondoahattempted to oust the Jewluminati in just fifteen minutes. 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            Ew,ew,ewwww! Does this mean that we are going to see their racist shit on...?

                                                            [–]CryEagleProud misandrist 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            If I'd been calling the shots a month ago, I would have spared this site the shitstorm and simply added a 'block' button for subs you don't want to see on the front page.

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                                                              [–]vrgr23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              They will be axed only if they brake the rules of reddit, like harassing individual people with the condolence of the mods. Otherwise, nobody's going to touch them.

                                                              [–]TempusThalesDrama is Unbreakable 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              /r/crazytown?

                                                              [–]RunDNA 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              Excellent summary. I only have one correction:

                                                              and almost all of the 100 or so defaults would shut their doors

                                                              I'm not sure this is true.

                                                              For one, there are only 50 defaults.

                                                              And secondly, the last time I looked only about 20 of those 50 went private. Maybe some more went private after I checked, but I doubt it was almost all of them. Anyone got any final figures?

                                                              [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Thanks, fixed and included a number that was accurate.

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                                                                [–]zxcv1992 40ポイント41ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                All this stuff kinda died down to quick, I hope there is some new crazy development to get the drama wave going again.

                                                                [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                I'm pretty sure Alexis is talking about it on Upvoted on Thursday, so we might see some developments then. It'll be interesting to see what happens with The Timer, but that'll not end until the end of September, so it'll be a long ways away.

                                                                [–]zxcv1992 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                It will be interesting to see what they have to say about all this. Also I'm surprised there hasn't been more about the ex admin who did that AMA, after he deleted it it's pretty much gone quiet. I wonder if the admins will comment on that.

                                                                [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                I'm wondering that too, but I remember the last time an ex-admin did an AMA and am probably going to guess that won't happen. :(

                                                                But this will leave it up to the rumor mill, which is good for popcorn.

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                                                                    [–]parst 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                    The guy from /r/CrappyDesign decided to reopen it, but not before stripping all the CSS and sidebar info.

                                                                    Admins appointed a new mod within hours.

                                                                    [–]illuminatedcandleilluminates the place 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    The day /r/IAmA declared its independence from the admins. Astonishing.

                                                                    What will the future hold as the timer ticks away? Eternal darkness where the popcorn continually rains upon us from the skies... or a new era of reddit where the buttery will dry up until the next event?

                                                                    Time will tell. Only time will tell.

                                                                    [–]IMarriedAVoxPopuli 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    It's Dramadan, you heathen.

                                                                    [–]ssnistfajenOuch right in ma belle culture! Tarbarnac! 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    That should be the name for when we do a recap on the entire dramawave during this entire summer.

                                                                    [–]Riverrun_past_eve 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                    Loved how Gawker described this site as Internet hell-hole Reddit

                                                                    [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Oh, never change, Gawker...

                                                                    I remember reading about that one time where some Gawker employee did an AMA, basically to use it as flamebait.

                                                                    Anyway, it seems like even some Kinja commenters are getting sick of it.

                                                                    [–]PiratedTubaWhat the fuck did you just say to me, you little bitch? 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Pot, meet Kettle.

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                                                                      [–]jbranscumVOAT SHILL 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                      You left out when /r/sexypizza went private. Things really went dark from that point forward.

                                                                      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      I've edited the original post to include this:

                                                                      Edit: /u/jbranscum reminded me that I left out a very important part of this. And so, I have edited the OP to show you that these indeed were dark times, that /r/sexypizza had gone private. This is when we knew we truly had something different coming here.

                                                                      [–]websterandy42Marxist-Cabalist 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Man, I wish I had taken down /r/TodayIGrandstanded for the notoriety.

                                                                      [–]Goonred 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      People should checkout the traffic stats for SRD. Quite amazing

                                                                      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Didn't even realize the traffic statistics for SRD were public. Very interesting.

                                                                      [–]aceavengers/r/voatdrama and /r/ellenpaofanclub shill 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Yeah a lot of people flocked here to make it their soapbox.

                                                                      [–]NowThatsAwkward 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Where do noobs like me find those stats? Nevermind, found it! /r/SubredditDrama/about/traffic/

                                                                      [–]AquelecaraDEpoaHuehuehuehue 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      I gotta hand it to the admins, they made such a poor decision that it managed to get SRD and KiA to agree on something.

                                                                      Until KiA acted like they were as important as the French Revolution, at least.

                                                                      [–]TunicSongForKarenpickup artists and garbage men should swap names 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Both me and KiA people sleep in a bed, shit on the toilet and (probably) eat breakfast. We all have something in common as long as it's general enough. Our modus operandi may be different: we clean our arse after shitting, KiA people might hurl balls of faeces at the nearest female with a Halo T-shirt.

                                                                      [–]aceavengers/r/voatdrama and /r/ellenpaofanclub shill 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      I think most of SRD didn't actually care about this AMAgeddon at all. A lot of the outrage on the recap posts and drama posts came from people I've never seen before who probably found us from /r/all because I seriously didn't give a shit about this besides the popcorn.

                                                                      [–]de_baser 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                      So, the marriage between admins and the people is strained like between a couple where one of them has been sleeping on the couch for a week. Surely this will result in more buttery goodness!

                                                                      [–]TeoKajLibroj 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      When I was in school and if two people started arguing, the rest of the students would crowd around and try to provoke them to fight. They didn't care who was right or if it was worth arguing over they just wanted to see a fight. The response to the end of the Blackout reminds me of this. The comment threads were full of people complaining about the end, not because they cared about Victoria or thought they could get her rehired, they just wanted to see a fight. There was a lot of people disappointed that the mods didn't fight to the death.

                                                                      [–]birdsofterrordiseVC Butter Investor 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      The kicker is that people were just bitching about Victoria like months prior.

                                                                      [–]TeoKajLibroj 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Yeah that was the strangest part, up until her AMA I could have sworn people were always complaining about her. I tried to look this up, but as you can imagine its no use trying to search now.

                                                                      [–]birdsofterrordiseVC Butter Investor 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      In one of the main SRD threads, someone actually did link all the complaining about Victoria stuff. Far too lazy to go through it now and try to find it.

                                                                      [–]lolpierandomMaybe. Maybe not. Maybe fuck yourself. 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      Is the slaughter over? Is my karma safe? Can we come out of hiding yet?

                                                                      What a hilarious, messy few weeks for Reddit, first the whole FPH nonsense and now this.

                                                                      [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Is the slaughter over?

                                                                      Probably not.

                                                                      Is my karma safe?

                                                                      Your karma is never safe. NEVER, I tell you!

                                                                      What a hilarious, messy few weeks for Reddit, first the whole FPH nonsense and now this.

                                                                      No kidding. This has been an insane few weeks for reddit, and it's amazing too since The Fattening was only a month ago almost. It's unprecedented to; usually there is one big drama a year or so, but 2 of the largest dramawaves in less than a month timespan??

                                                                      That's amazing.

                                                                      I think this might have something to do with reddit's growing userbase. It's going to get more people sweeped up in the drama, and it's easy to do so too, since you only need 2000 or so quick votes to reach /r/all.

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                                                                        [–]cisxuzuul 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        One of the biggest problems went back to damage control. Ellen could be on NPR and the NYTimes but didn't warrant a blog or announcement post.

                                                                        The leaked screenshots of Alexis and the Science mods just made Reddit look even worse and poorly managed.

                                                                        [–]JollyGreenLittleGuy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        I feel like the Secret Santa firing should be included since it was a big point of contention as well. (what can be more dramatic than firing Santa!)

                                                                        [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        I edited the OP to include the drama surrounding /u/kickme444's firing.

                                                                        [–]JollyGreenLittleGuy 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Thanks, by the way, good job on your post formatting, it looks great.

                                                                        [–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Thanks! :)

                                                                        [–]Raidingreaper 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        I'm glad the news sites picked up SRD's name for it. Seeing HuffPo use AMAgeddon made me giggle.

                                                                        [–]Jay_Bagel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Slyly sneaking in victoria's secret haha.

                                                                        [–]Emobacca 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Cannot wait for the inevitable drama wave when the admins run a big time celebrity AMA on their own created subreddit

                                                                        IamA going completely independent has so much potential for popcorn

                                                                        [–]seanziewonzie¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Phew, thanks for this. I've been busy all week and was afraid Id have to sort through a bunch of stuff to understand what Id missed.

                                                                        [–]irokie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Guise, https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cbo4m/we_apologize/

                                                                        Post from /u/ekjp apologizing. MORE BUTTER!

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