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[–]g-divA nice grandson 214ポイント215ポイント  (15子コメント)

For the past several years

Pao trying to shift and deflect personal responsibility for all the shitstorms under her leadership like a boss.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep.

[–]Agkistro13 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

Exactly. "Reddit has been fucking up for years, but now you have Glorious Leader to fix it."

[–]theaviationhistorian 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

And everyone praises her and gifts her with Reddit gold as an appreciation for her taking the burden of free will and thought from these poor submissive individuals. All praise the Glorious Leader for making our lives easier!

[–]EllenPaosEgo 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well it is free for admins to give people gold, and she has been caught gilding herself before.

[–]theaviationhistorian 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, like a generalissimo pinning themselves more medals on their chest to symbolize greatness.

[–]Tufflewuffle [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't know much about what Reddit gold does—apparently it's just a "supporter" type thing that you get for donating and it makes a little icon appear next to your name—but doesn't an admin giving theirself gold for free accomplish basically nothing whatsoever?

[–]EonOmega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If that's what she's doing, it makes it look like people 'support' her post. Just like vote brigading and puppeteering accounts, to upvote a post and downvote people saying different opinions. Exploiting the hivemind, etc.

[–]Wreththe 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly what I was thinking.

It was uncomfortably transparent.

[–]GutsofMirrah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Good to see at least that those reaponding immediately to the post called out the narrative and cried bullshit inmediately.

[–]TedsEmporiumEmporium 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every sub-apology and plan in that proclamation included the word "we" or something along the lines of "I and [others]."

She said "the buck stops with me" but never actually took responsibility for anything. She spread the blame and responsibility to basically everyone at reddit.

[–]theaviationhistorian 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bucks stops with me for I will toss whoever I can under a bus until there is no buck to deal with.

[–]richmomz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except the most egregious of these shitstorms (banning entire communities, mass shadowbanning of people without explanation, firing beloved admins, etc.) happened under her watch. Hence why user outrage didn't boil over until now.

[–]ladynepht [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She is like a super villain blaming her minions .

[–]Lhasadog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I saw that the same way. The whole "for the past several years" reeks of "it's all Bush's fault". I mean for fuq's sake take responsibility for your own administrations failings. You screwed up. Not whoever was in charge several years ago. No deflection. No couching of words. No trying to blame the consumers of your product. You the person sitting in the big chair.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 224ポイント225ポイント  (50子コメント)

Don't for one second believe her. She's not going to change.

[–]vendilion 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

I really hate the narrative being pushed now. Because of this "apology" we now have to forgive her and move on. It's now WRONG to have any reservations. People in the thread are bitching out at critical comments.

[–]theaviationhistorian 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

As /u/Ergheis pointed out in the comment above, corporations pull this dick move all the time and think that everything in the universe is okay again, and many people let it slide in order to not take on a megacorporation. Ellen Pao follows the homework Conde Nast gave her to follow corporate ideology, including fixing catastrophic fuckups with a simple apology. It is up to the 'loud minority' to ensure that they truly regret destroying what was good about Reddit.

[–]sunnyta [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

i'm instantly reminded of ubisoft.

"we have learned our lesson and the NEXT big game will be up to your standards!"

cue assassin's creed unity and watch dogs

[–]GutsofMirrah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Excuse you it was totally necessary to have so many models on screen I got 10 fps.

[–]_pulsar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep any negative comment is followed by a "grow up" type reply with more replies calling the dissenter an angry teenager.

[–]Minerminer1 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly, who the fuck cares about an empty meaningless apology.

[–]MastermindX 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you implying that the kind of person that personally assures someone he will not be fired because he has cancer, and then immediately proceeds to fire him because he has cancer is not 100% trustworthy?

[–]nmotsch789 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost as if theives who steal from police and firefighter pensions aren't trustworthy! Who would have thought?

[–]GutsofMirrah [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I love how no one is forcing her to address that. I'd ask that question immediately in any interview: "Do you have a comment about...?"

[–]___Rhand___ 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worse. We're about to see Chairman Pao's Great Leap Forward, which will go about as well as it did in history.

[–]MrFatalistic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

no it's all truth, she's going to be very straightforward and keep communications lines open with her handpicked group of admins/mods.

[–]Fooshbeard 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's say by some chance that the change.org petition achieves its goal and she is somehow convinced to step down. What would change? Wouldn't shareholders still be pushing for Reddit to turn a profit and thus continue with the same unpopular gentrification of the format?

[–]Infernal_Alchemy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think the "KJ" stands for Kim Jong.

[–]LyyAmao 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It stands for Kil'Jaeden and all this is part of his diabolic master plan.

[–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ellen Pao's Master Plan: to have us build a garrison and AFK in it for all eternity.

[–]redekker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Enhanced Kim Jong Pao.

[–]RadioactivePandaBear [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure reddit made its mind up a long time ago. By asking for an apology we're asking for her to realize her mistake and change things and smooth out everything. This isn't what reddit wants, and expecting that from her was clearly a waste of her time.

Think of it this way: If you had a job somewhere and you pissed off some customer to the point that they created a 150k change.org petition to have you sacked I think it might be a little past the point of "Oh, I'm sorry about that..." It has escalated to a disdain and animosity that she is clearly aware of and hopefully embarrassed of. And frankly to do the right thing now preemptively , I doubt she is capable of.

[–]richmomz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the only reason she's doing this now is because major news outlets have begun reporting on the petition to remove her as CEO (which is currently approaching 200,000 sigs.)

[–]Internet-justice 104ポイント105ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, that meant nothing.

[–]SleepingSheeple 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

"We did it, Reddit!"

[–]bantrain7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

My favorite part was a comment halfway down where she memed a ten year old joke and everyone was extatic.

[–]psychoticapes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The blackout...worked? Wait, that's not right.

[–]VermaakODST 96ポイント97ポイント  (9子コメント)

Standard, pre-packaged PR nonsense with meaningless promises attached to please the "idiot masses". Not buying it. She needs to go. And fast.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

She probably didn't even type it up.

[–]vonmonologue 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

She promised /u/chooter her job back if she wrote a nice piece about keeping promises and fixing things, and then blocked her number when it was done.

[–]rubelmj 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

But did she have to write a 500 word essay?

[–]The_Profit_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was a trap

[–]moshjills 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Source?

[–]KurridevilwingDined #GGinNC / Discovered sex with a gator [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It was a joke, I figure.

[–]Bazrum [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Wait there was a GG in nc? Damn it I missed it

[–]EliteFourScott 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It honestly doesn't sound like her usual style of writing or speaking. Most of her comments are short but the ones that are a full paragraph are usually much less "aware", like she seems like she has no idea what the uproar is even about, and seem a bit curt (and not in a rude way). I hate to say this as it probably makes me sound racist, but it's almost like it's written by someone who learned English in a very professional environment and not as a native speaker (but I don't think that's the explanation, I'm just making the comparison).

[–]howdoiflynow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damage control to appease the masses

[–]Fuzzyhammers 69ポイント70ポイント  (4子コメント)

Apaologizes.

I see what you did there...

[–]Hannibal_Khan 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh hoh, i missed it till i saw your comment :)

[–]SpawnPointGuard 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apaology: noun

Empty words used to quell a revolt.

[–]The_0bserverPoe's Law: Soon to be Pao's Law 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comeon mods. THAT is flair worthy/

[–]bantrain7 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's just t-ellen it like it is.

[–]Mournhold 59ポイント60ポイント  (5子コメント)

I did get a good laugh when I read her response about why she went around talking to media and clickbait sites instead of making a statement on reddit before today:

It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now.

Hard to communicate because le downvotes and angry memes != making a /r/announcements post.

If she would have made this type of post on reddit last week, I think a good portion of drama would have been prevented. There was nothing preventing her from making this same exact /r/announcements post last week, so her excuse seems very dumb to me.

[–]JohnnyCashFan69 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't it ironic how one of the biggest admins here illustrates the biggest problem reddit has in terms of being a hive mind where no one with dissenting views can post. So ironic it hurts.

[–]Mournhold 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its especially humorous to me when she is one of the small number of people on the site that can bypass a lot of that by simply making a stickied thread on a board like /r/announcements.

[–]timo103 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope not a hive mind, a vocal minority.

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. It's not her fault people use the down-vote button as a "disagree"/"dislike" button.

[–]TheQuon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted.

Yeah, that's the built into the core engine censorship that reddit knows and loves!

[–]BasediCloud 57ポイント58ポイント  (2子コメント)

We'll still be going for safe spaces though.

[–]HBlight 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation

I wonder if that means you can vehemently and passionately disagree with someone.

[–]TheQuon 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're doing that too much again! You must wait (8) years before posting again you cis-white-shizet-scum!

[–]pyfrag 53ポイント54ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh, great, they're promoting cancer mod /u/krispykrackers to "Moderator Advocate." Nothing can possibly go wrong with this.

[–]Helium_PugilistProbably sarcastic, at least snarky 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like how ONE admin is supposed to handle interactions with thousands of mods.

[–]n0ne0ther 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

By thousands, you mean a couple dozen friends that listen and believe, because those are the only ones who matter.

[–]Pletter64 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry, but what exactly is the track record of /u/krispykrackers?

[–]KyzrRelax 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have any proof, so don't believe me until you've seen it yourself:

Several people have said that /u/krispykrackers was directly responsible for their accounts being shadowbanned for talking negatively about Pao. Some of them had screenshots of /u/kripsykrackers talking with them about the ban, others just implied it.

The screenshots could have been faked, or it could have been a comment other than the one about Pao that caused it. Not 100% positive on any of it.

That said, shadowbanning itself is bullshit, so I'm inclined to believe it over anything the admins have to say. I do recall one example that was shown in this /r/announcmments thread that was pretty convincing.

EDIT: Here's an example. https://archive.is/en4Vy

And another:

https://i.imgur.com/y3dwSQT.png

[–]pyfrag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are a few instances of admin abuse, one of the biggest was detailed here.

[–]DerberAuner -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

id like to know a bit more as well. to the best of my knowledge, the admin seems a bit shady, but thats about it. i got nothing substantial to back it up, either, only a bit of weird behaviour i find...well...shady.

[–]SpawnPointGuard 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

If she said she was bringing back the banned subreddits and making a commitment to uphold freedom of expression then I would actually give a shit. This is just an empty statement.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

A statement that she probably didn't even type.

[–]Kofilin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. From reading a few interviews, it wouldn't surprise me if someone else wrote it. Not like I care, it's an empty statement anyway.

[–]liquidSG 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I know these are just words, and it may be hard for you to believe us. I don't have all the answers, and it will take time for us to deliver concrete results."

So, basically when they were promising things in the past it was pure lies, them just saying things with the full intention of not going through with it. Inspires confidence, right?

[–]n0ne0ther 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, but this time they're really going to do it. For realzies! Promise!

[–]ima_dev_ggthrowaway 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

Remember though: Every 3000+ comments (in like 40 minutes) on there that are criticizing her, they are ALL GamerGate sockpuppets. Every single one of them.

You guys sure can type comments fast. I'm impressed.

[–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are just that good. /s

[–]Ikestar 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

My fingers are KILLING me right now. It's hard to type with sockpuppets on my hands :(

[–]n0ne0ther 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The botnet is running at 100% and overheating! WE NEED MORE RAM!!

[–]uw_NB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

these WHOLE 50 people man

[–]UsingUpFuckingNames 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddammit. Voat was up most of this morning. Then, suddenly, down again.

I should have known she'd done something.

[–]Ikestar 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the comment section, she's kind enough to define harassment for us:

Here's our definition of harassment: Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. We allow organized campaigns to reach appropriate points of contact, but not individual employees who have nothing to do with the issues.

(2) is fine, but holy crap, that first one's pretty much gonna doom reddit.

[–]n0ne0ther 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so broad. I can say that her stance on harassment is threatening to me and that she should be banned.

"I disagree with you"

OMG I'M BEING HARASSED I DON'T FEEL SAFE!!

Welp, better ban his ass.

[–]Piroko 79ポイント80ポイント  (18子コメント)

But doesn't hire back the wrongfully terminated employees.

Actions over words.

[–]Vkmies 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actions over words.

Exactly. To copy/paste my previous comment:

Of course people are critical of what she's saying here. All of the decisions she has personally made in the past have directly led to this point and there are absolutely 0 reasons to believe that she just now opened her eyes and went "Oh damn, we weren't very good at running this site? I'm sorry, I didn't notice!".

This is empty. An empty statement. I look at it and feel nothing. I'm not holding it against her, I don't personally have any conspiracy theories about this apology, but I also have absolutely no reason to put my faith in what Pao is saying here. Not until we see clear, obvious results.

It's just as stupid to blindly believe this apology and go "Well Reddit is better now!" as it is to grab your pitchforks and go into a massive spiral of confirmation bias of why these are obvious lies. I don't believe it, but I'm waiting to be proven wrong.

[–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

but I'm waiting to be proven wrong.

I'm holding my breath!

[–]Warskull 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

At the same time, why would you go back to a company that fucked you? The same people that fucked you are still there, they are waiting for the chance to quietly fuck you over again. The only reason they would be hiring you back would be for PR purposes.

[–]Piroko 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why don't you ask Steve Jobs.

[–]UsingUpFuckingNames 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Probably the most "fuck you" thing Voat could do right now would be to hire Victoria as their Iama coordinator.

Not likely to happen, but it would be hilarious if it did.

Edit: Oh and if they could get lure the big name moderators, say /u/karmanaut, to run the Iama section, it would be a massive coup. Nothing to stop the mods from running here and there. I do.

[–]HolyThirteenRule34K get! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'm assuming a "no-competition" type clause would be bought from her just to prevent that lol.

But we can dream, right?

[–]vonmonologue 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

None of us actually know why Victoria was fired.

It could be that behind her sweet demeanor and charming smile, she was actually embezzling funds and looking at hardcore twink porn on the reddit office computers.

It might not have been fair but we don't know that it's wrongful.

[–]Fimmherjar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The lack of a simple "goodbye" heads-up and the complete disrespect the admins have shown the community in the past week indicate that while your statement is inherently true, the evidence does indeed point to less than appropriate handling of whatever the situation is.

These types of employee moves that are announced after the fact and in secret almost always points to clandestine or unethical practices. If everyone was following the rules, then there's nothing to hide. Unannounced or secretive promotion/firing practices usually indicates someone doesn't want people asking questions they cant answer.

[–]ah_hell 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Chairman Pao does all those things and is still employed.

[–]FlameFist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now now, we don't know for certain she looks at twink porn.

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    [–]MJawn 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    what? how do you know they were wrongfully terminated?

    [–]Piroko 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    David Croach was fired because he had leukemia. His condition was improved and the claim that he was unable to perform his job because of it was spurious.

    He should have sued. It was a violation of the ADA.

    [–]richmomz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or the wrongfully shadowbanned users. Or entire subreddits that got banned on ambiguous/subjective grounds of "harassment".

    [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or the fradulently banned subreddits.

    I'm especially sad about the NeoGAF subreddits. They were part of GamerGate activism. A piece of us got ripped out.

    [–]HBlight 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Here's our definition of harassment: Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. We allow organized campaigns to reach appropriate points of contact, but not individual employees who have nothing to do with the issues.

    LOOKS LIKE MEAT'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS!
    Straight from the Chairmans Mao-th.

    [–]smerfylicious 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is so open to interpretation...

    "Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone..."

    welp I guess SRD can be banned for that. Same with a lot of meta subs, when they link and/or quote someone and then proceed to berate them in the comments.

    [–]n0ne0ther 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    *But not for those women hating GooberGassers!

    [–]HBlight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would love them to try now.

    [–]Meta1425 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "/r/againstmensrights makes me feel like reddit is an unsafe platform for my opinions." Okay, so I get to ban it now, right?

    [–]Ridash 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    PR bullshit

    [–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's nice and all but people don't want an apology. They want Pao gone.

    [–]Gingor 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, wait, I thought we were insignificant?

    [–]Ponsari 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I love the language. "I think we should", "I know we have", "I want us to"... Then when talking about stuff like adding features (Pao is no engineer) she's all "We will". And the best part is "the buck ends with me" followed by what u/deimorz, u/weffey and u/krispykrackers will do.

    It's like a 14 year old girl forced to write an apology for something she thinks is unfair.

    [–]n0ne0ther 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be fair, Becky tots deserved those new Jordans. Her mom is such a bitch!

    [–]HexezWork 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Talk is cheap no reform has been made and they will keep doing the same shit.

    PR newspeak with no substance.

    [–]Zestir 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm gonna go ahead and say this is all an operation to get our attention away from the drama, with an '#BIGSORRY' post.

    Not until we notice actual change undergoing in this site, should we actually relent.

    [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're sorry...

    [–]KyzrRelax 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The non-answer dismissive tone of the post appears to be having the opposite effect.

    [–]2yph0n 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is basically saying a whole lot of nothing using the maximum words possible to make it seems like it is saying a lot of stuff.

    [–]thelaaaaaw 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There is no safe space than an empty room, keep up the good work Pao.

    [–]Agkistro13 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nothing about censorship. Apology not accepted.

    [–]NocturnalQuill 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This means that Pao is scared. Keep up the pressure, and do not relent.

    [–]gargantualis 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I was about to ask if it was kn0thing doing a tony heyward/south park. "We're sorry"

    [–]EnigmaMachinen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Doesn't this remind anyone else of the South Park BP apology?

    [–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    At first I read the title and I shook my head in disapproval. "Why can't these assholes proofread their shit before posting?"

    Then it hit me and I saw the brilliance of your title. Nicely done, OP.

    [–]Twin_Brother_Me 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think my favorite comment was "OP will surely deliver"

    [–]BoiseNTheHood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Wonder which PR lackey has the unenviable job of writing that crap and then responding to legitimate questions with more vague platitudes.

    [–]dan105 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'll believe it when I see it. We have every right to be skeptical.

    [–]UberAndrew 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seems like a very bare minimum apology just to calm everyone down, I doubt anything will change but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

    [–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Words are wind and talk is cheap.

    [–]wowww_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is 100% bullshit.

    [–]A-SES 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good god that thread's full of idiots.

    "Listen Pao, I'm really worried about the censoring of comments"

    "WHAT ABOUT HER COMMENTS THEY ALL GET DOWNVOTED."

    There's no point arguing with these people.

    [–]ClemsonPoker 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Looks like the casuals are siding with the admins. Like junkies looking for a fix. I'm afraid Pao and company may be right on the mark when the insinuate that the outrage is limited to a few and that in the end we will get a sterile, but still popular reddit filled with imbeciles. The new facebook.

    [–]UsingUpFuckingNames 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The new facebook.

    They can monetize that.

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      [–]Piroko 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's fine, because it wasn't really an apology anyway.

      "You aren't sorry for what you did. YOU'RE ONLY SORRY THAT YOU GOT CAUGHT!" -G'Kar, Babylon 5

      [–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Stupid of me. Didn't catch the Pao. Haha.

      [–]Laxtras 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      dont belive anything, and some people are still defending her, i didnt support any of the people calling her nazi and shit (she deserves it in my opinion) but those where not a minority.

      plus people that still dont want her as CEO and didnt called her names.

      [–]Reexa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We're sorrrryyyy.... :)

      [–]MyLittleFedora 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ellen Pao's next position: CEO of BP?

      [–]makemisteaks 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      And this is why FPH had to go...

      The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders {EDIT: or Captain Kirk}) rather than one off occurrences. Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community (Arnold does this remarkably well).

      [–]MrPejorative[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The reason Arnie does it so well is because he's hardworking, smart, very respectful to his fans, and has a sense of humor. He's also very humble and believes in giving back to his fans. He's a one in a million kind of guy. Few people can replicate that, and certainly no corporation can bring that out in anybody.

      These one note celebrities and self serving politicians can't do that, and the new plans for reddit seems to remove any barrier these hacks might have to getting heard here.

      [–]yabbadabbadoo1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think this does go to show that petition worked in getting a response once it was reported on major news outlets. There would not have been any reason to respond otherwise.

      [–]babablaksheep 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I guess CEO's take a course in writing beautifully flowing letters or announcements while saying absolutely nothing.

      All this boils down to is:

      Ok. We got caught being assholes.

      We know we've been assholes for years now.

      Here's some more promises of what we are going to do to fix shit.

      I know it's hard to believe us, but here's our promise, you can believe us- really!

      [–]Longtymlurkr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0EL_u4nvw

      [–]White_Phoenix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Prove it, Pao.

      Let KiA back in the forefront and let us appear on /all/

      Allow dissenting opinions regarding leftist topics such as social justice and feminism to remain unmoderated. Make the shadowbanning process transparent. Allow your userbase to see mod and admin logs. Don't filter out discussion you dislike. Restore subs like /r/fatpeoplehate and places that supposedly have "hate speech". Reddit is supposed to be the epicenter of free speech. Free speech means you allow all speech, INCLUDING SPEECH YOU DISLIKE.

      Put your money where your mouth is. Make your community more transparent. Prove to us you are no longer going to resort to the old draconian ways of thinking. This apology means nothing to us until you prove to us that you will defend everyone's right to be heard, regardless if you agree with them or not. This includes allowing mainstream subs to include dissenting opinions and transparency when it comes to moderation actions behind the scene.

      Otherwise, this is just a load of hogwash. Reddit will be Digg v5.0 if such steps towards transparency aren't taken.

      [–]ddmeightball 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Actions speak louder than words and right now that's all this statement was: empty words.

      [–]DangerouslyGoneAlone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      More like they tried and fell flat.

      [–]GaryTheBum 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Sorry Pao. Not good enough.

      Pao needs to step down and a more open minded person who is actually respectful to redditors and free speech / expression needs to take over.

      [–]JohnnyCashFan69 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Why did people buy the mod gold twice? What posses a person to do that?

      [–]KyzrRelax 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Serious answer? Because of comments like this.

      If I wasn't invested in the anti-censorship crowd and just wanted to troll people, I would find it hilarious to gild top comments and watch dozens of people lose their shit over it.

      Some people just want to see the world burn man.

      [–]YorickHock 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Unless there's an ongoing commitment to synergistic leveraging of new paradigms, I don't care.

      [–]KevinGilbert 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You guys are making it really hard for Reddit to get that venture capitol. Can you please cut it out?

      [–]wolfesluck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The numbers are telling. It hangs at nearly 2k in upvotes and then several of the patronizing comments are about that much... perhaps a little less.

      HOWEVER, there is a petition to have her step down and it have over 150k...

      [–]Arizona-Bay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh fuck off, Ellen. Your meaningless apology is not accepted.

      [–]TacoNinjaSkills 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My first thought was: "How do we know it will be any different this time?"

      [–]Clockw0rk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Too little, too late.

      You've proven that you have neither the tools, nor the community management skills, to prevent shitstorms that literally shut down portions of your site.

      The appropriate response would have been to resign.

      [–]FranticJ3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Only time will tell I guess? Like, I agree with what others are saying, she didn't just have an "Oh shit" moment where she realized she was fucking up in many ways. That's obvious from

      we acknowledge this long history of mistakes.

      Talk about trying to share her own fire.

      Anyways again I feel like only time can tell but if history is any indication these are really "just words"

      [–]EuphoricWizard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Looks like she already deleted her post she made in this thread. I hope someone screencapped it. I did see people quote sentences. She just displayed how incompetent she is by saying something like "I can't message you guys when I'm being downvoted."

      [–]Bouchnick 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We're sorry.

      [–]smerfylicious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And here's the chairman's definition of harassment:

      1.Here's our definition of harassment: Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. We allow organized campaigns to reach appropriate points of contact, but not individual employees who have nothing to do with the issues.

      lolwut. Imagine if this was how the law was written in your state or municipality...

      [–]A-SES 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Is there a good forum out there that isn't Voat?

      I mean there has be somebody making a website right now, that's ready to take on a lot of traffic.

      I'm seriously considering tumblr right now. It's not THAT BAD right?...

      [–]MrPejorative[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There are LOTS of great places. It just depends what you're looking for. The subreddits devoted to some of my interests are TERRIBLE, full of memes or flooded with beginner questions, but the forums devoted to them are great.

      Whatever your interest there's probably a forum or website that caters to it. If there isn't start your own.

      Also, chatrooms are probably the best spot for general discussion. Freenode on IRC is an excellent place for technical discussion. They've got channels for everything.

      The fact that there are hundreds of thousands of active users is not as much of an advantage as it seems. You'll only ever interact with a few dozen or a hundred at a time. Same as on any small forum really.

      [–]jpz719 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If you were truly sorry, you'd leave and never return, Pao.

      [–]urbn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There are such simple basic things they could offer communication wise that many other sites, companies, projects, etc. offer that Reddit does not. Project timelines, milestones, a dev blog, bug/feature requests, etc. etc. etc. Even with what they have said so far all that is known is they are working on "some tools" Nothing about WHAT tools, when they might be available, and so on.

      Even just a sub where devs post about projects they are working on would be a step in the right direction. Even if these are only available to mods of the 50K+ subs or default subs it would a step in any direction.

      [–]JohnStalvern 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If this had happened on Friday instead of today, I might have bought it.

      But with media statements the entire weekend and only replying on the site itself today is ugly. Crossed with a petition calling for her resignation reaching about 200k signatures within the span of a few days, it screams of backpedaling brought about when they realized this wasn't just going to "blow over."

      Playing off Victoria's firing as an intentional part of phasing reddit out of the AMA process when the AMA mods already told the admins to go fuck themselves was also very transparent.

      I think it'll curb the anti-Pao sentiment, but it probably won't stop it. Even then, it's a band-aid until the next fuckup.

      [–]ofekme 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      you smell that ? its the smell of bullshit

      [–]Lithiumthium 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ducking minority! How dare you make Chairman Pao cry!

      [–]ggthrowit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ...and if anyone's buying that, then holy fuck do I have a bridge to sell you!

      [–]wazzup987 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      i have some lunar mining rights to sell you

      [–]axiobeta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      As half assed as this is, always remember that we're an irrelevant vocal minority and nothing we do or say matters... Oh wait that was two days ago. Before a bunch of suits would have bugged her into posting this tripe. I wonder if she even wrote it.

      Suck a cock, Chairman Pao. Feel free to sue me for harassment ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°

      [–]Chiefhammerprime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Apology not accepted. Leave.

      [–]TheGreatRoh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'll wait for actions.

      [–]AspsVeryDangerous [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It look me all day to spot the pun in your headline and realise it wasn't just tortured spelling.

      [–]Datawych [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      The mother of all nonapologies.

      [–]Fimmherjar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This just happens to come out 4 days before the reddit blackout. What a coincidink.

      [–]Silverhand7 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Look, I get that people are mad, and I am mad about this situation, but people are just acting childish about this. She has said that they realize they fucked up a lot, and they want to change, but they can't just do that work instantly. If you assume for even a second that it's true, it's also true that they can't instantly show results to us. She is also actually answering questions in that thread and being downvoted so much for legitimate responses that it's hard to read the thread. What more do you want right now? I may not be happy with her in general, but I'm glad she's actually talking to the community and answering questions, and I want to see what she has to say. The negative reaction to this post in particular is really disappointing to me.

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