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[–]ekjp[S,A] -108ポイント-107ポイント  (172子コメント)

I've never banned or shadowbanned anyone or asked for anyone to be banned or shadowbanned.

[–]earnestquestions 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

*edit update 2- I posted a question to the OP of the thread and got a very interesting response and accusation of being something that warrants a reporting to the admins. I am so confused and no longer wish to ask questions about this issue.

*edit update. Was pointed out to click on the names in the posted thread and users don't seem to be shadowbanned.. so thread's accusation isn't true.

Its hard to tell whats real or not anymore given all the drama & accusations. Does this mean this post below is fabricated? They claim you posted a link from your private inbox and shadow-banned anyone who pointed it out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39i5g5/ellen_pao_posted_a_link_to_a_private_message_to/

[–]cluelessperson 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The shadow-banning everyone thing is totally misleading. The link happened (accidents happen, Jesus), but click through the usernames: only u/LouisCuckFan is shadowbanned (which it's totally plausible to be from unrelated causes), nobody else is.

[–]earnestquestions 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, your right.. all the users posted don't seem to be shadow banned! I commented just now to let the op of that thread know..... Thanks for clearing that up /u/cluelessperson!

[–]dogepenguin 133ポイント134ポイント  (39子コメント)

Honestly Ellen, You and The Admins Should Host an AMA in /r/iama right now. It's gonna be a shitstorm, but it's gonna be a shitstorm regardless. What we want is proof that the administration understands what the website is, and can participate in it. There is no better format for that than an AMA. Just get it over with, it might be your last chance to salvage this.

[–]curiiouscat 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

What's the difference between that and the /r/announcements thread? She seems to be answering questions there. I think it would be helpful in a few days, but not now.

[–]WorkingReddit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Give the people who aren't aware of this announcement (and who aren't on Reddit right now) a chance to mobilize and ask real questions? Instead of the pandering bullshit we're getting right now?

[–]curiiouscat 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

She's giving clear answers. She's posting on the appropriate channels.

[–]WorkingReddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

That doesn't erase the damage that was done, and a bullshit PR statement doesn't actually fix anything. People have questions, and she's only answering the ones she can answer "correctly," not to mention if there was a set time and date for an AMA people could have their popcorn and pitchforks already ready instead of having to scramble. edit: I meant that last line sarcastically, for the record.

Transparency helps Reddit. Random PR announcements with "political promises" don't do shit.

[–]curiiouscat 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

OK, well nothing you want can be produced in an instant, so she's doing the best she can with what she has now. Don't pretend like your demands can be met and then act like she's the unreasonable one. You are blindly attacking someone because it's in vogue. Think about that.

[–]WorkingReddit 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Blindly attacking? Check my post history and you'll see I've never said anything about her before this thread. I've been an observer until this bullshit PR stunt. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but even I can spot when the wool is being pulled over my eyes. Think about that.

[–]curiiouscat 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Please tell me what she can do, in this very instant, that would placate you, then.

[–]DownvoteALot -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clear answers to shit questions.

If I had to play Jeopardy on /u/ekjp I'd have to say "what are some vague PR promises you can say without uttering the words Victoria or freedom of speech". We have clear questions for her and /u/kn0thing and none of them have been answered at all.

[–]Tsukamori 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

And let Victoria monitor it.

[–]maysunaneek 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Upvoted. Ellen and AMA needs to happen!

[–]americanpagesus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/ekjp doing an AMA would be as interesting as the Rampart one. "My time is valuable", "Keep the focus on the new mod tools, guys", etc.

[–]wachet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think she's going to be able to salvage the public opinion regardless of what she does.

[–]rsplatpc 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've never banned or shadowbanned anyone or asked for anyone to be banned or shadowbanned.

Do you or anyone high up have any say on removing articles that mention other sites from the front page? I would really like that answered honestly

[–]cluelessperson 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Mostly, it's mods removing duplicate links or links that don't fit the sub at all

[–]rsplatpc -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mostly, it's mods removing duplicate links or links that don't fit the sub at all

What I mean is over the weekend I would see posts with 7,000 upvotes that were not duplicates about this situation hit the front page, then 5 minutes later not be even on the 1st 3 pages, and no other topics moved at all and were in the same position, I would like to know how that works and if a human made that decision / can make that decision

Can anyone human notice a post on the front page without deleting from the subreddit it's in, and even though it's at the top of that subreddit make it go off the page even though technically it has the upvotes / algorithm to be at the top

[–]Amablue [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I would like to know how that works and if a human made that decision / can make that decision

Why not ask the mods of those subs?

[–]rsplatpc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why not ask the mods of those subs?

because I'm talking about the front page of reddit not individual subs

[–]abdlextra 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

Then why have so many users been getting banned in the last few months?

Admins just looking out for your interests?

[–]AnOnlineHandle 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Examples? I constantly people shrilly crying about comments have been shadowbanned etc, then I check the user accounts and they're still there, mostly people who don't even understand how reddit works. I saw a whole thread on /undelete screaming about how the admins had deleted a post, when the mods in fact did it and explained why they did.

[–]youareaturkey 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously it is insane. Also, why is all of this being attributed to Pao? I am sure the CEO is not involved in low level stuff like what subreddits are banned. She probably wasn't even the one who made the decision to fire Victoria.

Edit: Punctuation

[–]The_Decoy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Easy to scapegoat her. Look at how much misinformation was passed around from fat people hate. She became a target then and now people are just jumping to conclusions based on little to no verifiable information.

[–]trollsalot1234 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because she's the CEO and ultimately responsible for everything the employees do?

[–]GeneraIDisarray 15ポイント16ポイント  (11子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/3auk69/happy_10th_birthday_to_us_celebrating_the_best_of/csgkps1?context=3

You shadowbanned this guy, or told an admin to do so.

[–]cluelessperson 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

You have no proof of that. Most likely, he was shadowbanned for something else, like maybe brigading.

[–]tubelightLED 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have no proof of that either.

[–]cluelessperson 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not saying he was brigading, it's just a common thing that happens inadvertently. Happened to me too. Unless he messages r/reddit.com and asks nicely, he won't find out why.

[–]tubelightLED -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do not know if he is back with a second account.

[–]GeneraIDisarray -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah it just happened to happen almost instantly after writing that comment.

[–]cluelessperson 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did it really? Do you have a timestamp for when exactly he was shadowbanned?

[–]youareaturkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

People are claiming that hundreds were shadowbanned, but they are all using that same link as proof. Wouldn't there be more evidence if it was such a large issue?

[–]GeneraIDisarray -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are literally links in this thread that take you into threads that have nearly everyone shadowbanned

[–]youareaturkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually keep seeing the same link with one guy claiming he was shadowbanned by Pao. Can you show me the link where nearly everyone is shadowbanned (not just a chain of deleted comments)?

[–]tubelightLED -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People do not understand the difference between being shadowbanned and deleting your account.

If a person has been shadowbanned their username and comment is visible but when you visit their profile you get a page not found

When a person has deleted their comment their username appears as [deleted].

Clearly Pao does not know how reddit works.

[–]Shadowofthedragon 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

Remember that post where you accidentally posted a pm? A multitude of users were shadowbanned. Are you honestly saying that wasn't you?

I'm including the undelete link because of the context.

https://reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/39evuj/reddits_makes_bestof_post_ceo_of_reddit_ellen_pao/

Here is the link that /u/ekjp accidentally posted the pm: https://np.reddit.com/r/FaithInHumanity/comments/39ee4c/charlie/

edit:check the comment below mine, if you check the usernames in the screenshot before they were deleted you can still see their profile page, showing they weren't shadowbanned.

[–]HatesRedditors 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just to clear up some confusion, I went through that thread a few days after it happened, when people were claiming mass shadow bans. But when I found a screencap I checked the top few comments and none of the accounts were shadowbanned.

The confusion probably came from the top comment here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/39ekdg/ceo_of_reddit_ellen_pao_doesnt_know_how_to_use/

Chances are they just assumed deleted comments meant shadowbanned accounts.

[–]youareaturkey 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Someone posted further up, but how do you know "amultitude of users were shadowbanned"? Where is the proof?

[–]HatesRedditors 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

From what I've seen, someone confused deleted comments for shadowbanned users, and the story has stuck.

They did scorch the comments section, but that may have been a moderator because they didn't want anger and vitriol in a sub like /r/faithinhumanity

[–]youareaturkey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I've seen, someone confused deleted comments for shadowbanned users

That is exactly what I have seen. Actually, I am willing to bet more users have been banned/ shadowbanned in the last few weeks, not because of Pao, but because so many people were losing their minds and breaking the rules.

[–]PM_ME_HOT_FURRY_PORN 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's reassuring.

You would think redditors would realize that a CEO of a company would have better things to do than shadowbanning individuals on a website.

Also,

Reddit: "WE WANT TRANSPARENCY!"

And when you actually try to be transparent,

Reddit: "WE DONT BELIEVE YOU, IT'S A CONSPIRACY TO STEAL MUH FREEZE PEACHES"

[–]sputs99 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Alexis says otherwise.

[–]snail_dick_swordplay 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Whoa, where was this?

[–]sputs99 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's now a deleted comment but a screenshot was on /r/SubredditDrama a few days ago.

[–]snail_dick_swordplay 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there anywhere I can see it? The screenshot, an archive, anything?

[–]bkraj 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seems legit.

[–]pWHOp_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

totally 100% believable.

[–]jackmaney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe that?

[–]Lut0x -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

Why were you manipulating your karma score in the first place? I'm pretty sure your karma score would still be below 0.

[–]Llim 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you think she was? Honestly, there's not a single piece of proof that she's been doing things like shadowbanning people or manipulating karma. Don't make claims like that until you have evidence to back it up

[–]Analbox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reason people think she's been rigging her karma totals is because some of her posts are old enough to be archived and the karma from archived posts can't be downvoted away.

[–]Drunken_Economist 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

karma isn't as simple as (all upvotes) - (all downvotes). There are votes thrown away to prevent vote-cheating, fake votes added to fight spam, different vote weights to your karma, etc.

Look at this profile, for example.

[–]LFCameron7 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

this profile

What's going on with /u/reddit11?

[–]Lut0x 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He deleted all his comments

[–]reddit11 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I delete my comments.

[–]wachet 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why? Just curious - you've been here a long time so I think you probably have a good reason to.

[–]reddit11 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I simply don't like having other people looking through my comment history.

[–]wachet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reasonable. In my local subreddit, someone who disagreed with me went through and spammed hateful comments on a bunch of my old posts. It felt weird.

[–]Lut0x 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hmm interesting. But sorting by her top posts she really doesn't have a lot of upvoted comments. I read somewhere that she would have -50000 comment karma. That is still a huge difference to +10000

[–]Drunken_Economist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I mean is . . . imagine you make a comment and it gets a lot of attention. Hundreds of people upvote you, and hundreds downvote you. You'd likely have positive karma, even if there are more downvotes than upvotes.

The "most controversial" comment trophy given out each day is a good example. Usually the user will gain a lot more karma than just the simple comment score. It's the same idea.

[–]Lut0x 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, thanks for enlightening me. I didn't knew that

[–]Mapleyy 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Interesting question, but she probably doesn't. Reddit's vote fuzzing algorithms nullify the effects of brigading/mass-downvoting.

[–]HatesRedditors 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly, and it has bottom limits on downvotes. That's why while /u/ekjp is getting downvoted a lot in this thread, her total karma is rising. Upvotes and downvotes are counted separately, and there's a hard cap on downvotes at somewhere between 10-50, and it seems there's a soft cap on upvotes, but that number is much higher.

[–]Mapleyy 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, votes on comments and submissions are only counted for the first ~24 hours, so after that point, any further up/downvoting has no effect on a user's overall karma.

[–]HatesRedditors 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Interesting, I suspect the same is true of voting from a persons user page.

I know the system used to add an opposite vote to counteract a userpage vote, but now that the upvote/downvote scores are hidden they probably just fuzz the score and ignore the votes in a persons total karma.

[–]Analbox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voting on a userpage does not affect that person's karma totals but admin's never talk about this because most vote brigaders aren't aware of that and thus they end up wasting their time bombing someone's user page in vain.

[–]rae1988 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah seriously- i remember when 4chan raided Samuel l Jackson's quote competition- it was nearly impossible to rig the vote, in spite of everyone's best efforts

[–]z3rb 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

who gives a fuck it's just silly internet points

[–]_vargas_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. I don't understand why people take them so seriously. Especially the nerds who have literally millions of them.

[–]Deezbeet-u-z 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At the risk of getting shadowbanned, I'm just gonna say I don't believe you

[–]ch3mistry -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

You are lying.

[–]AxelTV 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then how does it explain the fact that people were being shadowbanned constantly?

[–]Leblodk 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

..Yeah, bullshit.

EDIT: Explain this then, https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/3auk69/happy_10th_birthday_to_us_celebrating_the_best_of/csgkps1?context=3

[–]SuperYoXfp 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

How is it bullshit? Do you actually have any proof?

[–]Leblodk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yep, click the link I provided.

[–]youareaturkey 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

How is that proof that Ellen Pao banned him or he was banned on her behalf? Also, wouldn't there be a lot more evidence if she banned as many users as people are claiming?

[–]Leblodk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

So it's just a coincidence it happened as soon as he posted the comment?

[–]Valnar 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where is the timestamp of when that person got shadow banned?

Couldn't it be possible he got shadow banned for something unrelated?

If he got shadow banned for that, why not also delete the comment?

Why aren't other people responding to that comment of hers shadow banned?

[–]Leblodk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]lightmanmac -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/quityourbullshit material right here folks

[–]16bitClaire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I miss Victoria, and I hate the super slow loading mobile site, can you just make these things better?

[–]Katynrosja 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for not banning me when I posted in this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39i5g5/ellen_pao_posted_a_link_to_a_private_message_to/

Probably because it was only me and two others that posted something other than personal insults.

[–]snorlz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

no but in another comment you just said its the system you guys have in place. as CEO that means you inherently approve of it otherwise you would have stopped that process already

[–]lakerswiz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who is deleting all of the threads about your lawsuit?

[–]HelveticaBOLD [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even if you haven't done that, Reddit has. Your response comes across as more than slightly disingenuous.

[–]Polyneophite [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you need to do an AMA. It will absolutely suck and you will be screamed at for hours but it would improve the communities opinions of the moderators so much.

Also don't ban people in the AMA no matter how bad they get. Let them scream it out.

[–]Dubandubs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What about the deletion of threads?

[–]KarmaEnthusiast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Don't believe you sweetheart. Are you going to sue me too for misogyny now?

[–]ilovecreamsoda [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

[citation needed]

[–]VerticalSmileyCyrus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

An end to all fatties.

[–]lightmanmac 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Then who the fuck is shadow banning the people calling you wrong names or even reporting on the events of the petition to remove you? Anytime anyone has posted about your "husband" and your legal struggles they get shadow banned or straight up banned. Who is doing that? You obviously have to be approving of it if it keeps happening.

[–]qtx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Stop being so paranoid. No one is shadowbanning anyone for things like that.

[–]youareaturkey 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where is the proof?. Why would the 70+ other reddit employees mindlessly allow her to shadowban/ delete negative posts?

[–]Trajan_ -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Damn son you mad.

Not that I tend to like Reddit's leadership, but your tears are beautiful.

[–]LFCameron7 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good joke, Signed this yet? https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]GeneraIDisarray 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it because you don't know how to use reddit?

[–]SheriffofBanshee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess someone must have accidentally pressed a button hundreds of different times?

[–]Poes-Lawyer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a wonderful way to dodge the accusation - you should be a politician. So you haven't personally shadowbanned anyone or directly asked for anyone to be..

[–]Apex-Nebula 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a wonderful way to dodge the accusation

She didn't "dodge" shit, she outright denied it.

[–]I_LOVE_HOOKERS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Ellen. Thank you for this post. Honestly, I don't think Reddit needs or deserves any sort of apology from you or your team. Reddit is, overall, a great site and we get a lot of value out of it. My only concern is about the following quote:

It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform. We want to be a safe platform and we want to be a platform that also protects privacy at the same time.

This quote stands in stark contrast with the position of Reddit's previous CEO, who expressly stated that Reddit stood for free speech. I strongly think that was the better position to take.

Reddit seems to thrive when the admins take a "hands off" approach with the community. Criticism of your performance has taken off the more the admins meddle with communities. This has only been made worse by Reddit's failure to properly define the scope of things it will ban.

For example, nobody on this website yet knows what the heck constitutes "harassment." Using that word to justify censoring entire topics of conversation makes it seem like the admins are arbitrarily restricting content at their discretion. Instead, Reddit should be setting clear rules for what conduct amounts to a violation.

Also, when subreddits violate the rules, rather than banning the entire topic of discussion, you should really just be replacing the moderators. You could explain to the community which rules have been broken and why corrective action is needed, then allow the community to select new moderators. Instead, Reddit has punished communities of thousands of people for the improper conduct of their moderators.

Also, your personal promotion of "safe spaces" smacks of social justice, rather than actual, legitimate safety concerns. Reddit is a place to do two things: discuss topics and share links. Neither of those things involves Reddit actually hosting any content—with a minor exception for moderators that upload pictures for their subreddit's theme. The only ways to truly put people at risk on this website are: (1) doxxing them, (2) posting personal information, and (3) making criminal threats. Everything else is unrelated to actual safety concerns. Instead, Reddit's censorship of those areas only serves as an attempt by the admins to direct the conversation. As explained above, Reddit is at its best when it is a true free market of ideas, rather than simply a directed conversation.

I also recently heard that the admins will next try to prevent brigading. Again, Reddit's attempts to try to control the lawful and non-safety-related behavior of its users is very concerning. Why not just let people speak? I know we all dislike brigading, but it is a natural consequence of having an open forum of ideas.

Punishing people for engaging in group behavior only serves as another attempt by Reddit's admins to control the conversation. As I'm sure you've discovered recently, you cannot actually control the conversation. It's time to let go of that idea, and focus on legitimate safety issues and monetizing the site.

[–]CapricornAngel -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see Reddit going in the direction of MySpace. It was a great idea and unique vision in the beginning, but it is slowly going downhill. I will be surprised if it is still around in five years.

[–]oli887 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

These PR bullshit filled answers are why you are being downvoted.

[–]GoodGuyGD -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you kiss your husband with that lying mouth of yours?

[–]raedeon -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should we believe anything you say?

  • Ellen Pao is a misogynist who attacked 12 women at KPCB through persistent rumors, bad peer reviews. Ellen Pao intentionally shut down every initiative that was started to help recruit and promote more women in VC, she did this to fuel her fraudulent claims against Kleiner Perkins. This is all on record.

  • Ellen Pao helped steal $150,000,000 from police and firefighter pension funds - there was a massive backlash against her way before FPH - in a scheme described as "a ponzi scheme", to which her husband replied "I am not the black Madoff".

  • Ellen Pao colluded with u/Yishan Wong to take reddit position as a vanity CEO title just in time for her court case against KPCB. This is fraud and reddit shareholders should be asking u/kn0thing why nothing has been done and why he is liable to report this to the authorities. Also u/here_comes_the_king should be pissed.

Hey Ellen, u/ekjp - tell them about living in a stolen home, having your reddit earnings garnished to pay tax liens for mounting liability costs for your husband Alphonse Buddy Fletcher, how you tried to extort millions out of KPCB, despite the fact you were paid more than your male peers, how you recently tried to ask for $2.7 million from them in order not to appeal, the exact $2.7 million that Buddy Fletcher owes his own lawyers. Hey, but it was just to get your story heard right? And... you're appealing because you think some people didn't hear your story? lol. Ellen Pao wants to setup a non-profit to scam money off the backs of women who have truly suffered sexism. Don't trust her.

Sources Forbes, NYTimes, Fortune, NYPost, Recode.net

http://recode.net/2015/03/11/kleiner-wants-to-introduce-financial-motive-in-pao-suit/

Some Background For The Kleiner Perkins Discrimination Lawsuit

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/05/23/some-background-for-the-kleiner-perkins-discrimination-lawsuit/

S.E.C. and Pension Systems to Examine Fletcher Fund

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/s-e-c-and-pension-systems-to-examine-fletcher-fund/

A tale of money, sex and power: The Ellen Pao and Buddy Fletcher affair

http://fortune.com/2012/10/25/ellen-pao-buddy-fletcher/

> The lawsuit triggered a series of events that ultimately led to the bankruptcy of one of Fletcher’s funds and investigations by the Justice Department and the Securities and Exchange Commission. Then, just as Fletcher’s predicament was intensifying, Pao, 43, sued her employer, the venerable venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins, for sexual discrimination

"and, with his wife Ellen Pao, a $1.5 million San Francisco home, the ex-hedgie stands accused of cheating Massachusetts and Louisiana cops and firefighters out of more than $100 million and not paying close to $3 million in taxes."

http://nypost.com/2015/02/18/case-builds-against-former-ny-hedgie-buddy-fletcher/

Ellen Pao asked for $ 2.7 million to not appeal her court case with KPCB, a complete shakedown as Buddy Fletcher owes $ 2.7 million in layers fees. That's a lot of lawyers to keep these crooks out of jail.

> Prior to the trial, Kleiner Perkins had laid out a line of argument that centered on Fletcher, who’d filed for bankruptcy on behalf of his hedge fund and been found to have used firm assets improperly. Kleiner wants to talk about the hedge fund being a “Ponzi scheme” that’s under investigation by the SEC.

> How does this relate to how Pao was treated Kleiner Perkins? It’s not entirely connected — as Pao is not responsible for her husband’s firm or his behavior* — but Kleiner Perkins was served with a tax lien based on Fletcher’s financing, and Pao fought the liens.

*A point contested in other sources that talk about the drop in profitability of the fund since Ellen Pao joined it

If you want to read more lols and shit about the trial, here's a fucking stupid but lolsome commentary on the court documents from the trial

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[–]The_King_of_Pants 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I believe you.

[–]Jestaman4141 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post says otherwise. IrishPatriot20 was shadowbanned after responding to you. While he may have been abrasive, this is supposed to be a community based on free expression.

https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/3auk69/happy_10th_birthday_to_us_celebrating_the_best_of/csgkps1?context=3

[–]Teach_Truth_in_Love -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could you please make an executive order to stop all shadowbanning. Shadow banning is a cowardly action. If Reddit wants to ban someone, fine. Just be upfront about it and send the redditor one final message that explains what has happened.

[–]Amablue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Could you please make an executive order to stop all shadowbanning.

Oh god no. It still serves as a valuable tool against spammers. It should not be used for regular users who break other site rules, but it should absolutely be used against spammers.

[–]qtx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes, lets remove all shadowbans and make reddit one big site full of spam! Great idea!

[–]princessvaginaalpha -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you are lying. The truth is that there are so many users that are being shadow banned. You worded your statement to say that you have never personally done the deed, but you have admins working on your behalf to advance your interests. You got what you wanted now, and you can say that you have never personally done the deed.

You should be charged criminally and civilly.

[–]Trajan_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Charged for what?

She can ban whoever she wants on this website lol.

[–]jayRokk -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bullshit. You and your pathetic group of admins go around banning left and right! You're lower than dirt with your lies! You're lying directly to the heart of your operation and you think everyone is just gonna be OK with it? You're beyond pathetic!

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]Siegmure -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

How about an AMA in /r/iama so we can ask you questions about your policies, clear up misconceptions (like shadowbanning) etc.?

[–]FedorsMum -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should just clean house and get rid of all the cry baby mods.

Cow tailing to these entitled children is a mistake. The userbase only care because this small circle of power hungry mods whipped them in to a frenzy.

[–]halfar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nice try senpai.

We all know those guys posting pictures of you as hitler were just false flag operations designed to manipulate the public against victoria's crusader army.

[–]skooterr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't let these guys drag you into reading and answering all their absurd comments.

[–]Mr_Bimbles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuDwUnhwPAk