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[–]CaptnRonn 4296ポイント4297ポイント  (82子コメント)

A few things beyond a PR statement that would restore my faith in the admins:

  1. Stop shadowbanning users - It was a tool made for spam bots, not to silence dissent. The mere fact that a perfectly legitimate user can be shadowbanned without their knowledge is ridiculous, and it has been happening more and more in the past few months/year

  2. Stop subreddit favoritism - You want to have anti-harassment rules? Great. Enforce them in every. sub. equally. Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links. Why does SRS get away with being able to post direct links with obvious brigading?

Also, /u/ekjp, as much as I would like to think that things are business as usual with you as CEO, you have made some very questionable statements regarding free speech and sexism in tech from a position that is seemingly vacant in logic. The fact that you feel you must talk to major news sites before actually acknowledging your userbase is troubling to say the least. You have done nothing to earn my trust or support, and in fact have done several things to reinforce the opposite. So... prove me wrong?

[–]AntonioOfVenice 1429ポイント1430ポイント  (81子コメント)

Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links.

Even though it's not a meta-reddit sub, /r/KotakuInAction doesn't even use np-links - we have to use archives, or we'd be accused of "brigading" and banned. And yet SRS is permitted to openly brigade every other sub on Reddit. Not to mention the fact that SRS is openly dedicated to destroy Reddit. Why does that not fall under 'breaking Reddit'?

[–]matthewhale 417ポイント418ポイント  (6子コメント)

Lets not forget we were told we couldn't publish email addresses of PUBLIC PR email addresses or contact emails for companies for a while too, until that was finally clarified and allowed again yesterday...

[–]stizzleomnibus1 297ポイント298ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can't publish PR emails, no. But /u/kn0thing and the rest of the admin team are allowed to drive massive brigades for their own political causes whenever they want.

[–]dingoperson2 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you link to the confirmation? That's some big news.

[–]matthewhale 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't read I guess, totally read this the wrong way.

[–]laukaus 45ポイント46ポイント  (12子コメント)

np-links are just a CSS hack, that moderators can implement if they want to.

It is just CSS-rules to hide the voting arrows, reply button, and maybe show a message when the domain is np.reddit.com.

If the sub does not have those rules in stylesheet np does nothing.

[–]LifeWulf 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not to mention, on mobile that doesn't mean jack. I don't even know if a link is np unless it's just the link and not a shortlink.

[–]laukaus 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also reddit apps do not care about it, and some people disable CSS styling from all subreddits from their preferences and then it also is worthless.

[–]Silent-G 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

reddit is fun has a brief pop up alert that says "this is a non-participation link. avoid voting and commenting." but that's all, it doesn't prevent you from doing anything.

[–]taoistextremist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is fun DOES put up a message if it's np, so they kinda care.

[–]st_gulik 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

The reddit is fun app actively gives you a notice if you follow a NP link.

[–]LifeWulf 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

OK, so that's one app. Good to know, thanks.

[–]st_gulik 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Welcome. It's way better than the official app and the designer is constantly updating it to be even better.

[–]LifeWulf 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's an official app for Android? Or is reddit is fun also on iOS? I use Relay for reddit.

[–]st_gulik 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought so, but yeah, Android.

[–]LifeWulf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As far as I know, the only official app is Alien Blue for iOS. It has some neat features, but I will never give up Relay so long as it remains the only app with ongoing support for emotes.

Edit: There's also an AMA app, but I rarely actually care about AMAs so I forgot about it lol.

[–]ARMORED_TAINT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

even with np on, you can click a link or comment and press 'a' to upvote or 'z' to downvote. Given you have RES.

[–]jb2386 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't votes from np domain not actually count?

[–]jwyche008 92ポイント93ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is my number one complaint. There is clear favoritism here and if Ellen doesn't respond to this then fuck Reddit. As soon as voat has their shit together I'm jumping ship.

[–]zer0vash 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't just go to Voat, diversify.

[–]solidwhetstone 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

This right here is the right answer. We shouldn't allow any one social sharing site to have the monopoly.

[–]Bobby_Marks2 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that people want to be plugged into the greater population when it comes to social platforms. People gravitate to the larger population, because they assume that user-generated content is going to be better there.

That's why Reddit is such a monopoly at the top of discussion sites, why Facebook is such a monopoly at the top of social networks, and why Twitter is such a monopoly at the top of internet company failures.

[–]My_Nebuchadnezzar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diversify yo assets nigga

[–]EatSleepJeep 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

We've been hit hard by SRS on three occasions, and to a lesser extent a few more times. I had to go and ban the srs accounts that were bridging the gap from their link and then took a bunch of harassment from them for doing it, since they celebrated their actions in their thread. Did their mods do anything to prevent or discourage or punish? Not a thing. The admins certainly didn't care, either.

[–]AntonioOfVenice 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sorry you've had to deal with that. The SRS-mods are actually encouraging their users to comment on linked threads.

Also, friendly reminder that commenting in linked threads is a-OK and has never been against SRS rules or against reddit's rules.

https://archive.is/87OcS

[–]twersx 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

P.S. don't vote in linked threads

It's only ever been vote brigading the admins have cared about, being linked to somewhere on reddit and commenting is fine and always has been fine. Most meta subreddits don't allow either, but the admins only care about vote brigading. Commenting is just the only thing that is visible to moderators so it's the only real sign that there is brigading going on.

[–]SnatchTease 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

KiA is especially good at contacting advertisers. So good the admins made a rules just for the one sub that they cannot post openly available contact information of advertisers. Saw today mods in modtalk subreddit want to stick the Pao hate blame on KiA.

[–]SlowRollingBoil 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Screenshot/archive that proof and post it in KiA. I'll believe the evidence if and when I see it (KiA member here).

[–]SnatchTease 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The modlog thing? Its like 4 or 5 down the kia frontpage.

[–]_supernovasky_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This rule has been pretty strongly enforced for KiA. Its why KiA never posts email addresses and targets of the day for boycotts.

[–]oldneckbeard 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention that some reddit admins were bedfellows with SRS mods. Literally. Whoops, now i'm shadowbanned :)

[–]ether_reddit 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention the fact that SRS is openly dedicated to destroy Reddit

If there was ever a valid argument to take down a subreddit, SRS should be at the top of the list.

[–]thearchermage 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's the difference between "np"-links and any other kind of link?

Also, what are np-links? and SRS?

And while you're all answering my super noob questions, why isn't there a set of uniform rules for posting and linking and such that the whole site has to conform to (outside of reddiquette, of course)?

[–]DarkDubzs 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not to argue with you or anything, but can you elaborate on how SRS is openly dedicated to destroy reddit? What do you or they mean by that exactly and when have they said it? I'm just interested in that because I never understood why people hated SRS.

[–]Frodolas 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

They clearly state that they hate reddit and wish to see it destroyed.

[–]twersx -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

you realize they are a circlejerk subreddit? The people who post in /r/MURICA don't actually want to invade Norway for oil, the people in PCMR don't actually want to commit genocide against console and mobile gamers.

It's not a particularly amusing joke but its still a joke.

[–]DarkDubzs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I was thinking. I used to regularly lurk and look around in SRS and they often just made satire in the comments about the post, like it was all a joke. But usually I couldn't tell if they were being serious about stuff or not. But like when they say "Burn burn reddit to the ground" or other stuff like that in the comments, it becomes clear they're joking. Still though, are they serious about wanting reddit to destroy itself? Is that what they want to ultimately see happen?

[–]JackalKing 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference is that when /r/MURICA jokes about invading Norway for oil they don't actually send in a group of people with guns in an attempt to invade Norway. When SRS jokes about destroying reddit they actually attempt to do so by disrupting the community. Their attempt fails, because they are a minority in comparison to the amount of users that disagree with them, but they try nonetheless.

[–]AntonioOfVenice -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just to give you an example, SRS'ers posted "burn it to the ground" in response to Victoria getting fired. Others were celebrating Reddit burning.

https://archive.is/R77tl

[–]clavicle 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Read the OP carefully. Notice how it says that "the final seal shall be broken". That's some Revelations sort of shit. It would then behoove you to carefully consider whether you are experiencing what we in the business call "satire".

[–]MisterTheKid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to ask if you actually read that or are just copying and pasting....

[–]thethemesongtodoug -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm scared of the big bad boogeyman coming to take away my opinions.

[–]OkIWin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People hate SRS because other people hate SRS.... That's why it's called a circle jerk. People claim SRS is an evil brigade machine because other people claim SRS is an evil brigade machine and get upvoted for it... If you've ever been on SRS, they post the upvote count at the end of each submission, so it's pretty clear if brigading is occurring or not... but instead of people actually going there to see for themselves if what they believe is brigading is founded on, they prefer to simply listen/upvote anything that validates their worldview and downvote anything that differs.

Granted, once upon a time, SRS did brigade and dox people, but they haven't in a long time.

[–]mage_g4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have been personally brigaded by SRS and lost about 1,700 comment karma in a few days.

[–]benmarvin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't srs recently say NOT to use np links?

[–]simjanes2k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admins agree with SRS and not with KIA. It's not hard to understand, just impossible for anyone to acknowledge.

Well, it's either that or colossal incompetence, which I don't think Reddit admins are really truly capable of.

[–]OkIWin 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know this "SRS is the brigading deathstar of Reddit" circle jerk has been going on for a long time... but have you ever considered going there and seeing if it's actually true? They post the upvote count at the end of each link, so it's pretty transparent if brigading is occurring... Why don't you go there and actually see for yourself if brigading is occurring instead of just following what everyone else thinks?

[–]AntonioOfVenice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I visit SRS regularly. They post the best jokes on all of Reddit. Their brigading is especially obvious when it's an old and dead post, because there is no upvoting going on to compensate for their downvotes. A week or so back, an SRS (helped by SRD) brigade brought a +80 post down to -80.

[–]Teblefer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's actually very simple: They don't ridicule people. They make fun of the people being racist, homophobic, transphobic, nativist, and generally exclusionary. They downvote bigotry.

[–]AntonioOfVenice 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't ridicule people. They make fun of the people being

You lack the self-awareness to realize that you contradicted youreslf over the course of two sentences.

[–]TotesMessenger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)

[–]gunch -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check your privilege shitlord. SRS are the good guys. Everyone else? Literally Hitler.

[–]duckvimes_ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

not to mention the fact that SRS is openly dedicated to destroy Reddit.

No, it's not.

[–]stillclub -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because srs has no effect on anything

[–]Fallline048 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Completely ignoring that one time KiA brigaded the shit out of /r/planetside, huh?

[–]SnatchTease 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Proof?

[–]AntonioOfVenice 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you surprised that when a post highlighting the misbehavior of the mods on that sub reached r/all, people went to the sub to voice their displeasure? It sure as hell wasn't KIA-regulars who voted on those threads, or on the moderator's comments - we know not to do that.

[–]JustSaysKillYourself -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kill yourself.

[–]zellyman -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's really stupid, they would they want to destroy reddit? We like to follow you people around and laugh at you if reddit went away we wouldn't be able to do that.

[–]sifumokung -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because shut up, shitlord!