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[–]SingularTier 635ポイント636ポイント  (169子コメント)

Hey Ellen,

Although I disagree with the direction reddit HQ is taking with the website, I understand that monetizing a platform such as reddit can be a daunting task. To that effect, I have some questions that I hope you will take some time to address. These represent some of the more pressing issues for me as a user.

1) Can we have a clear, objective, and enforceable definition of harassment? For example, some subs have been told that publicizing PR contacts to organize boycotts and campaigns is harassment and will get the sub banned - while others continue to do so unabated. I know /u/kn0thing touched on this subject recently, but I would like you to elaborate.

2) Why was the person who was combative and hyper-critical of Rev. Jackson shadowbanned (/u/huhaskldasdpo)? I understand he was rude and disrespectful and I would have cared less if he was banned from /r/IAMA, but could you shed some light on the reasoning for the site-wide ban?

3) What are some of the plans that reddit HQ has for monetizing the web site? Will advertisements and sponsored content be labelled as such?

4) Could you share some of your beliefs and principles that you plan on using to guide the site's future?

I believe that communication is key to reddit (as we know it) surviving its transition in to a profitable website. While I am distraught over how long it took for a site-wide announcement to come out (forcing many users to get statements from NYT/Buzzfeed/etc.), I can relate not wanting to approach a topic before people have had a chance to calm down.

The unfortunate side-effect of this is that it breeds wild speculation. Silence reinforces tinfoil. For example, every time a user post gets caught in auto-mod, someone screams censorship. The admins took no time to address the community outside of the mods of large subreddits. All we, as normal users, heard came from hearsay and cropped image leaks. The failure to understand that a large vocal subset of users are upset of Victoria's firing is a huge misstep in regaining the community's trust.

[–]Aldfrith 153ポイント154ポイント  (16子コメント)

These are polite, specific questions, which deserve answers.

[–]ekjp[S,A] 398ポイント399ポイント  (143子コメント)

  1. Here's our definition of harassment: Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them. We allow organized campaigns to reach appropriate points of contact, but not individual employees who have nothing to do with the issues.
  2. We did not ban u/huhaskldasdpo. I looked into it and it looks like they deleted their account. We don't know why.
  3. We're focused on ads and gold. We're conservative in how we allow advertising on reddit: We always label ads and sponsored content, and we will continue. We also ban flash ads and protect our users privacy by protecting user data.
  4. I want to make the site as open as possible, bring as many views and ideas as possible and protect user privacy as much as possible. I love the authentic conversations on reddit and want more people to enjoy them and learn from them. We can do this by making it easier for people to find the content and communities that they love.

[–]saganispoetry 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

If that is your definition of harassment that it takes to remove/censor a subreddit, you have a lot of work cut out for you and this place is going to look like a ghost town soon.

[–]cahaseler 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

IAMA mod here, we wouldn't ban for that.

[–]cahaseler 936ポイント937ポイント  (146子コメント)

Hi Ellen,

/r/IAMA mod here. First, thank you for finally making a statement about this on reddit.

Second, can you go into more detail about the direction you see for celebrity participation on Reddit in a post-Victoria age? Alexis has made some comments to us behind the scenes about your ideas to encourage celebrity participation beyond AMAs, but I'd love to have the conversation in a more public space where everyone can participate.

[–]desmunda1 5597ポイント5598ポイント  (1272子コメント)

So anyway why did you go on to give detailed statements to thirdparty newsfeeds first, before speaking to us? The place with the tagline 'the frontpage of the internet'? The people you slighted in the first place? Hell even buzzfeed got info before this statement from you...

Edit: Ellen responded to me, but I anticipate she will be heavily downvoted so here's the reply

"It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now."

[–]Phrostbite 2186ポイント2187ポイント  (118子コメント)

The buzzfeed one hurt the most.

[–]Protuhj 4006ポイント4007ポイント  (100子コメント)

10 Ways You Won't Believe That reddit Users Can Go Fuck Themselves!

[–]JustAPaddy 418ポイント419ポイント  (33子コメント)

Number 4 will shock you!

[–]Protuhj 268ポイント269ポイント  (10子コメント)

(Just be sure to click 'Next' 3 times, so we can improve our pageview count.)

[–]StrawRedditor 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol and on the "private subreddit".

For someone who said: "The Vast Majority of Reddit Users are Uninterested in Victoria Taylor" and

"the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority."

Why does she cater to said vocal minority first?

[–]Butcher_Of_Hope 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

They had to post something. I mean so many defaults closed for the day they had to get news and other bits from somewhere.

[–]protatoe 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hit them in the money and you get a CEO response. That's always how these things work.

[–]Llim 786ポイント787ポイント  (211子コメント)

Publicity. Trying to do immediate damage control for the media

[–]-impostura- 311ポイント312ポイント  (91子コメント)

And it did work, partially. Many 3rd part sites wrote articles that portrayed redditors as the evil and Ellen Pao/admins as the victimized admins.

[–]PainMatrix 177ポイント178ポイント  (74子コメント)

Really? Everything that I saw was more sympathetic to the redditors. Then again I only get my news from reddit.

[–]res0nat0r 217ポイント218ポイント  (69子コメント)

Downvoting legit replies, and other outrageous nonsense by the redditors here in fact to me shows them as not being evil, just stupid and childish.

[–]helloimwilliamholden 133ポイント134ポイント  (57子コメント)

Totally agree. Most of the comments here are very immature. What do people expect? The OP said, "We fucked up and we've had a long series of fuck ups that we want to correct. Here's what we're doing about it." What else do they want?

And to keep asking what happened to Victoria is just fucking stupid. They can't talk about, so they need to fucking stop asking about it.

[–]spndl1 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been following this (as has probably everyone on reddit), but I try not to get involved because it's a minor inconvenience to me, at most. However, we have a statement that says "we fucked up, we've been fucking up for a long time, and now that things have come to a head, here's what we're doing to fix it."

That doesn't mean anything is going to get fixed. Time will tell if this is actually the change to fix things and a fundamental change to how the admins of reddit do things or just another statement to placate users. It could end up being a sincere effort that has no real effect, it could be hand-waving and hoping everything blows over and goes back to the status quo. It could actually be the change promised, leading all of us into the golden age of internet time wasting. Only time will tell. Until then, I remain skeptical, but since there is no better alternative and, as I said before, it has minimal effect on me, I'll stick around, proverbial popcorn in hand.

My personal favorite part of all of this is that sides are literally being drawn. I petition to call the users outraged at reddit Team Periwinkle and those in support of the admins and their reaction Team Orangered. Seems like the reddit thing to do.

[–]anticapitalist 190ポイント191ポイント  (88子コメント)

Worse, I don't see this as an apology to the users, but an apology to the mods.

To the users, reddit is slowly becoming more controlled by a small group of well connected mods. They censor anything they dislike & ruin reddit.

[–]coopdude 102ポイント103ポイント  (22子コメント)

This is absolutely an apology to the mods. While the mods were slighted in several ways (bearing in mind that moderation is a volunteer activity that benefits the site when done properly), the users lost confidence and had issues with the quality of content/site trust as well, and the users are a large part of contributing.

The discussion on the improvements doesn't seem to even be transparent and is instead hidden behind closed doors. This lack of transparency creates a rift between the users and the mods/site owners.

[–]Vesploogie 70ポイント71ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which makes me think this announcement is mostly just baseless pandering to a user base she doesn't care about.

[–]sin-eater82 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does any of that actually matter if they deliver on these things?

[–]wachet 200ポイント201ポイント  (23子コメント)

Because she didn't want the media wildfire to spread any faster, and the damage was already done with us.

The mods are the ones that really deserved to be addressed first though.

[–]alienith 104ポイント105ポイント  (16子コメント)

Agreed. Just look at the comments so far. Even after everyones gotten the chance to cool down a bit, they're still very bitter and hateful. The admins probably wanted to go and do some outside damage control while waiting for the userbase to relax a little.

The truth is they don't have a fix ready for the problems at the moment. So pretty much the best that they can do is say "We're sorry, we're going to fix this". Personally, I think thats fair. The admins at least deserve a chance to fix these problems (even though, yes, they have been given plenty of time before)

[–]Kalium[🍰] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. So I'm holding off on the strong attacks for the moment, but my store of patience and forgiveness for Reddit-the-company is running low.

[–]usernameJW 58ポイント59ポイント  (3子コメント)

You read the news though, right?

I suspect the answer might have something to do with good reporters at major news outlets having their contact information, calling over and over to get a response and giving Reddit a deadline along the lines of "If I don't hear from you before [this time], we'll have to run the story without your input."

[–]fridgetarian 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this is a perfectly good explanation for why it appeared in print first. It doesn't really explain the lack of response on reddit itself.

[–]Quaintrelle914 366ポイント367ポイント  (32子コメント)

Because going to a thread immediately just got -1000 votes and lots of, "Ellen Pao is a cunt" replies. No one is under any obligation to engage when that's whats being thrown at them.

[–]NowThatsAwkward 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

You haven't truly participated in an admin post until at least one of your comments is downvoted into oblivion!

I can't even imagine how much worse it would be if it was all personally directed at you though.

[–]skewp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was -5600 votes, for the record.

[–]BrotherClear 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weren't these things already mentioned in the "Welcome Back" post over at /r/iama?

[–]chirpbirdchirp 152ポイント153ポイント  (24子コメント)

They went down the list of who was more important to apologize to. News organizations came first, we came last.

[–]CaptnRonn 1744ポイント1745ポイント  (143子コメント)

A few things beyond a PR statement that would restore my faith in the admins:

  1. Stop shadowbanning users - It was a tool made for spam bots, not to silence dissent. The mere fact that a perfectly legitimate user can be shadowbanned without their knowledge is ridiculous, and it has been happening more and more in the past few months/year

  2. Stop subreddit favoritism - You want to have anti-harassment rules? Great. Enforce them in every. sub. equally. Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links. Why does SRS get away with being able to post direct links with obvious brigading?

Also, /u/ekjp, as much as I would like to think that things are business as usual with you as CEO, you have made some very questionable statements regarding free speech and sexism in tech from a position that is seemingly vacant in logic. The fact that you feel you must talk to major news sites before actually acknowledging your userbase is troubling to say the least. You have done nothing to earn my trust or support, and in fact have done several things to reinforce the opposite. So... prove me wrong?

[–]016Bramble 105ポイント106ポイント  (7子コメント)

How about /r/bestof? They brigade too, but it's usually an upvote brigade. Should that be allowed? (genuine question)

[–]goatsareeverywhere 122ポイント123ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're also a downvote brigade too. If you have a different opinion than the bestof'd comment, prepare for -1000 karma.

[–]hoodwink77 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

A few days back there was a no participation link to a week old thread with few comments. Suddenly it's getting posts added.

Srd makes attempts to put a stop to popcorn pissing. Best of is almost no holds barred.

[–]Mumberthrax 159ポイント160ポイント  (21子コメント)

Stop shadowbanning users

for example, this sort of person: http://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/351buo/tifu_by_posting_for_three_years_and_just_now/

Stop subreddit favoritism - You want to have anti-harassment rules? Great. Enforce them in every. sub. equally. Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links. Why does SRS get away with being able to post direct links with obvious brigading?

np links are not a reddit thing, they're a derpy css hack and the admins have stated (well at least some of them) that they don't support them. they've said they're working on anti-brigading tools, but I don't know more than that.

edit: funnily enough, one of the biggest issues I have with reddit is the abuses of power/tools that reddit grants to moderators (ironic because a lot of mods and powerusers controlling the discussion are making out that the biggest problem is that mods need MORE tools. tools are fine and can be used for good, and they are used for bad a lot). so regarding NP links, /r/politics for example was banning users who never posted to /r/politics simply for participating in /r/modlog which does not use NP links because they are a derpy CSS hack, and linking to other parts of reddit shouldn't be discouraged, participating as part of the greater reddit community shouldn't be discouraged. It's kind of nuts.

[–]Infamously_Unknown 54ポイント55ポイント  (13子コメント)

Holy shit, active user shadowbanned for three years? All the time spent typing comments nobody will ever see... that's just evil.

[–]AntonioOfVenice 445ポイント446ポイント  (19子コメント)

Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links.

Even though it's not a meta-reddit sub, /r/KotakuInAction doesn't even use np-links - we have to use archives, or we'd be accused of "brigading" and banned. And yet SRS is permitted to openly brigade every other sub on Reddit. Not to mention the fact that SRS is openly dedicated to destroy Reddit. Why does that not fall under 'breaking Reddit'?

[–]matthewhale 87ポイント88ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lets not forget we were told we couldn't publish email addresses of PUBLIC PR email addresses or contact emails for companies for a while too, until that was finally clarified and allowed again yesterday...

[–]JackalKing 121ポイント122ポイント  (4子コメント)

Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links.

KiA was told they aren't even allowed to us np links. Links inside reddit are automatically deleted by a bot now to be on the safe side because they know that the admins are looking for any reason they can to delete that sub.

Meanwhile, SRS still continues to brigade, and have been brigading for years now.

[–]jsmooth7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

NP links do next to nothing to prevent brigrading. Enforcing their use would be pretty pointless honestly.

I would much rather the admins came up with a better solution (and mod tools!) to deal with brigades from elsewhere. That seems like a better use of their time.

[–]nodthenbow 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

NP is just a css trick that is not enforced by the admins.

[–]frymaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was a tool made for spam bots, not to silence dissent

I have never seen anything approaching reasonable evidence that anyone has even been banned for "dissent"

I don't mean trustworthy evidence - (screenshots of reddit PMs can be faked trivially) - that's unreasonable to expect. I'm just after evidence that can, taken at face value, show people being shadowbanned for dissent and not, for example, breaking the site rules while happening to also disagree with things

[–]BassheadPanda 184ポイント185ポイント  (7子コメント)

How do you feel about this comment by /u/CaptainObviousMC.

The thing is... She's absolutely right, I 100% don't care at all about this situation, reddit, or the moderators. I'm a pretty apathetic content sponge.

That fact is deadly dangerous to reddit, because the moment the content creators jump ship, I'll follow them like the fair weather fan I am, because I don't care -- at all -- where I get my content, or about which corporation or moderators are involved. If reddit compromises its content stream by having moderators jump ship, I'm out too, not because I care, but because I don't.

So she's right -- most reddit users absolutely don't care a bit about this, or the site, or really anything. And that's why she can't afford to piss off the moderators, who are the people who do care.

What's hilarious is that the reddit administration seems unable to see that most people not caring is precisely what makes the moderators caring so dangerous: they're wielding my caring by proxy, because they hold the keys to content.

[–]DoctorDank 2304ポイント2305ポイント  (107子コメント)

Your second to last paragraph is spot on.

These are just words.

You haven't actually instituted any reforms yet. To be honest, this just feels like corporate newspeak. You're just telling us what we want to hear. I think you'd ve a better response if you actually instituted the reforms you speak of, instead of just talking about how you're going to do them.

Because talk is cheap.

But, at least you acknowledge that the way you went about dismissing Victoria was utterly tone-deaf, and very disrespectful to the (unpaid, hard-working) moderators who relied on her in order to make their subreddits the very best.

Oh wait no, you totally didn't do that either. You just say you're acknowledging a "long history" of mistakes, without actually acknowledging them at all!

More newspeak.

So, I don't really know what to make of this "announcement." Guess we'll just have to wait and see if you put your money where your mouth is, won't we?

Edit: much thanks to /u/alloutpenguinwar for guilding my comment!

[–]FlacidPhil 402ポイント403ポイント  (33子コメント)

This is basically just repeating what /u/kn0thing has already said. No more news, just 'tools are coming and we'll make more announcements at you'.

[–]evess_arudem 145ポイント146ポイント  (20子コメント)

OK, but would you rather they implement the reforms and then post about them? That's exactly what people were complaining about before.

[–]DoctorDank 105ポイント106ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'd much rather this post give us some sort of timetable, instead of vague promises of nebulous "reforms."

[–]tthorwoaways 76ポイント77ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate (though I may be unintentionally), but working out anything like an accurate or reliable timetable probably wouldn't be possible for a while. If they're sincere in what they've said, they will probably want to communicate with the moderators a lot more before making concrete plans, and even that could take a few days.

Though I'm judging the announcement as an immediate response. If no timeline or definite ideas are announced within a few weeks, forget everything I've said above.

[–]ucantsimee 623ポイント624ポイント  (29子コメント)

You've been promising mod tools for longer than I care to remember and they are still "coming soon." At this point your word alone means nothing. Actions will be the way to make it up to the community. Not words. Get to work.

[–]bananinhao 83ポイント84ポイント  (3子コメント)

And there are no details... nor Ideas...

I bet they're massive user controlling tools. There won't be a next blackout.

[–]distant_worlds 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If they weren't just vaporware, she could have at least released mockups. I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't even started work yet and are in the "putting a team together" phase.

[–]itsrattlesnake 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they'd been promising things for that long, it would be a better show of faith to release a statement about what they're specifically working on. This looks like more cold shoulder.

[–]vorpib 2234ポイント2235ポイント  (469子コメント)

How about apologizing for calling your strongest user base insignificant ?

[–]ekjp[S,A] 1760ポイント1761ポイント  (362子コメント)

I assume you’re referring to the NYT quote. I want to clarify the quote's context. The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority. I do understand that the site is built on the content and voting, and I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users.

[–]good_jarsh_jerker 2675ポイント2676ポイント x3 (110子コメント)

Guys think really hard before downvoting everything she says. This is a reasonable response.

People were literally calling her a cunt, Hitler, and all sorts of really vile racist shit. She was saying those people are insignificant. That's actually an important fucking distinction, because she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority.

For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

Edit: Lots of responses now calling me a cunt, to be honest it's funny. You see people called horrible things all the time and think it's normal, but when it happens to you it's not all that fun. It's okay to disagree and even dislike Ellen Pao. It's okay to think she's a bad CEO and should step down. It's okay to call her out on it and say "you're a shit CEO and you're ruining my favorite site" if you think that is true. I am only saying it's perhaps not constructive or ethically justified to call her such awful slurs.

[–]Marsdreamer 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

The last month and two incidents regarding Ellen have made me significantly question whether or not I want to continue to be a part of the Reddit community.

It has been the most vile and repulsive display of childish behavior I ave ever witnessed in a community. Never, and I mean NEVER, in all my years of being a part of internet communities/online game communities has opinions of violence and Nazi imagery been so widely approved of.

It honestly has left a very bitter taste of Reddit that I don't think will ever dissipate.

[–]JonLuca 112ポイント113ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I do not agree with a lot of the recent decisions, and the history of communication, I do have to agree with you on this - it was clear that you were talking about the extremely vocal minority who is issuing hate mail and death threats over a website and the slight changes within.

[–]ItsMeCaptainMurphy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority.

/u/MikeIsaac, can you confirm this?

[–]MikeIsaac 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi there,

Yes, I can confirm this. I asked Ellen about how it feels to be a target of brutal criticism and, often, outright misogyny and racism. Her response was to that in particular, and was not disparaging of moderators at large.

Also, as I said to Ms. Pao, if you read that quote in context, that is what is conveyed.

From the article:

"Reddit users have also questioned Ms. Pao’s ability to lead the company while dealing with major issues in her personal life. For nearly two years, Ms. Pao was embroiled in a well-publicized discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the venture capital firm. Ms. Pao lost that case in March.

But Ms. Pao says that the most virulent detractors on the site are a vocal minority, and that most of Reddit users were not interested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours."

[–]BellyFullOfSwans 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

Krispykrackers is the Admin who shadowbanned my first account for posting a business' phone number and called it "doxxing".

I had a 3 year old account with over 30K karma, over 10 Redditgifts gift exchanges, months of gold given and received (with years still on the books I never got back), a large friends list, etc...banned because I posted the number of a business. I didnt start a witch hunt or say anything bad about the business....I wasnt promoting the business....still, it was seen as doxxing and without anybody else hearing my case, I was shadowbanned (and not notified about it).

When I did figure out what had happened and why I was suddenly talking to myself, I had to look up ways of getting a hold of Reddit. They dont exactly have a customer service hotline (you know, like real businesses with real customers do).

That was a pain, but was able to finally reach somebody. It was Krispykrackers. Her one word reply? "Why do you think it is OK to post personal information?"

And that was it....I never heard another word, I never got an answer back from Reddit Gold about my paid-for months of gold I still had...and /u/gekokujo was lost to me over a non-issue.

There was no accountability, no transparency, and no recourse for grievance. As a Reddit Gold user at the time, I was a PAYING CUSTOMER...and as you could have seen from my comment history then (or now), I am not a troll.

Leaving Krispykrackers in charge of fixing your out-of-control staff and unfair practices is worse than letting the fox run the henhouse. Foxes arent evil, they just eat chickens. On the other hand, humans like Krispykrackers have their own sense of social justice and a license to be judge/jury/executioner with no witnesses and only the shadowbanned-mute voices of her opposition to speak up.

There is no solution as long as Krispykrackers is playing a major part. She is as big of a part of the problem as Pao herself and I can prove that (with my own experience and that of others...some involving chat logs from past controversies).

Fix the problem....dont promote the problem to a place where she will further abuse her power and your site.

[–]54CymruBeats 1427ポイント1428ポイント  (117子コメント)

Okay.

[–]rephyr 486ポイント487ポイント  (57子コメント)

I don't want what she's selling.

[–]Sorabella 160ポイント161ポイント  (9子コメント)

"We're sorry you're angry, but also the angry people are an insignificant majority that don't really matter."

[–]platypoctagon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not what she said. She said all the people calling her "cunt" and racist names - specifically - are a vocal minority.

[–]rfbandit 867ポイント868ポイント  (90子コメント)

Thank you for finally apologizing on here, instead of through media interviews. Should've come to your community first, instead of the press. But you also miss the point. You say a majority of reddit users don't care. But, those of us who create content for the lurkers care. Acting flippant isn't a good way to get us on your side.

[–]AnOnlineHandle 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

She did come to the community first, days ago, and the community told her to fuck off and hid all her posts, even reported them so much that automoderator deleted them for awhile.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/3byaei/reddit_alternatives_other_subs_going_private_to/csr0by6

[–]UpstateBrah 1150ポイント1151ポイント  (35子コメント)

Well this doesn't sound like an HR memo at all. /s

[–]funkenspine 438ポイント439ポイント  (12子コメント)

  • Copies the previous posts goals to fill space - Check
  • BIG SORRY - Check
  • "WE" - Check
  • "Were commited, starting now" - Check, also what the fuck does that mean.

NOW YOURE COMMITTED? ALL YOU HAVE IS COMMUNITY! THATS THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING!

[–]summerofevidence 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, in what other way can it be said without sounding like that?

[–]TheGreatRayPape 245ポイント246ポイント  (10子コメント)

I like how your apology over a lack of communication wasn't delivered to the people who needed it until you told every other press outlet first.

This has nothing to do with your race, gender, sexual orientation, weight, height, eye color, or any other physical attribute or personal preference in any arena; no matter what light your behavior and decision-making is used to examine your choices here, they universally identify you as completely incompetent as a CEO of a site built on community data aggregation.

[–]AdamKeiper 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dear Ms. Pao –

In the interest of transparency, I wonder if you might answer a question or two. Setting aside any personnel matters that you understandably cannot discuss, would you please confirm or deny the claim made several days ago that Reddit, under your leadership, wishes to undertake "a bunch of highly commercial things around AMAs"? Is that characterization correct, partially correct, or entirely incorrect? And, while still eschewing any discussion of individual personnel, would you say that your colleagues — the administrators of Reddit — have largely shared that goal, or has there been substantial pushback and disagreement?

Thank you.

[–]Elle-Elle 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

In 2010, I won the Reddit pumpkin carving contest with my Doc Brown pumpkin from my now deleted account /u/ooolalalauren

I was supposed to win a t-shirt. The mods of the contest assured that I would get it. I never did. They told me that /u/alienth was the admin in charge of getting that to me. I contacted him. Never got a response.

So, I don't care about Victoria or any of this. I'm just butthurt that I didn't get my shirt. That's the real issue here.

[–]stagecraftman 1092ポイント1093ポイント  (546子コメント)

Why was Victoria fired?

[–]JimmytheCreep 405ポイント406ポイント  (26子コメント)

I know everyone really wants the answer to this question, but it's extremely unprofessional for an employer to discuss the circumstances of someone's departure from their company. I work in an itty-bitty family-owned restaurant and the boss still never talks about why people leave. He doesn't even tell us if they quit or were fired. I can almost guarantee that we'll never get the answer to this question, and that's the way it should be.

[–]TheChrisCrash 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, I don't get why people think it's their business and why they think they have a right to know. People really need to get over themselves and find a hobby.

[–]slccsoccer28 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what I don't understand. I know everyone is curious, but it could have been a bunch of things ranging from career destroying issues to simply restructuring to voluntarily moving on. If it was, on the off chance, the closer to the prior why would everybody want to find out and ruin Victoria's future job prospects (I understand that she could probably find a job, but there are also a lot of employers who aren't as understanding).

Victoria's firing separation is a confidential between her and the Reddit. They have absolutely no reason to answer to Redditors and, in fact, probably have a legal obligation to not say a word.

[–]Cereal_Junior 240ポイント241ポイント  (31子コメント)

I believe it's against the law for an employer to disclose that. Correct me if I'm wrong

[–]this_is_balls 336ポイント337ポイント  (14子コメント)

Not against the law, but standard business etiquette. Similar to giving an employer 2 weeks notice before quitting.

[–]RedDawn1989 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also. It's to shield the employer from any potential lawsuits for damages. It's much easier to say nothing, than it is to even release a single sentence explanation that could be picked apart in a civil court.

I worked for one of the largest corporations in the world that had the following policy. You provide the employees social security and we provide either "yes that's in the system." or "no that's not in the system." At that point if yes, we provide date of hire, last / current title, and if applicable end of employment or "current."

That's it. Any necessary licensing / certification transfer goes through HR.

No other information. Period. Not even the name. Just based on social security #.

[–]tahlyn 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

It can result in slander/libel lawsuits and could break any contracts they have in place from the time of hire or any sort of NDA contracts for their separation. I do not think there is anything explicit in US law that says the reasons behind an employee firing must be kept private. It's other laws you incidentally break break by disclosing it.

[–]glass_table_girl 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also worth considering that Victoria herself may not want that information out there, and we should respect that privacy and confidentiality.

Not to mention that having public information on her dismissal could hurt Victoria's future employment prospects, which one should consider if they are worried about Victoria's employment situation.

[–]ansible_jane 58ポイント59ポイント  (3子コメント)

Legally *Professionally no one can answer that. Stop asking.

[–]brock_lee 668ポイント669ポイント  (52子コメント)

Just remember what happened to Digg.

[–]sonofaitch 78ポイント79ポイント  (12子コメント)

The main issue, clearly, is the divide between Reddit the website and Reddit the business. Finding a balance to please both can obviously be quite difficult, but you'd be surprised to see the positive feedback and ideas the communities will have that could prop up the business side if you actively listen. I hope we can better the site thru this.

Some ideas, of course, are crazy (https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/3cauxn/community_buyout_of_reddit/) but at least some are trying

[–]Anon2971 182ポイント183ポイント  (5子コメント)

You're right. They're just words. The same kind of words you've been saying for years.

It's appreciated that you're now apologizing and try to make amends, but I personally won't be believing it until I start to actually see these changes happen, like an explicit explanation/timeline/development details of what tools are being made, or the moderators themselves saying that communication has improved.

Also, a direct response to the Victoria scandal would be good. You don't need to tell us why /u/chooter got fired, but you could at least say if there's now a new point of contact for mods to go to when it comes to arranging these AMAs rather than leaving them high and dry.

[–]Garethp 129ポイント130ポイント  (9子コメント)

Thanks for the announcement. I wasn't expecting it to actually come. Quick question: Will those devs be communicating with us at /r/Toolbox?

[–]agentlame 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

If it's /u/deimorz, I'm not too concerned. He has always been cooperative and open with us. It's just that he wasn't in a position to help with moderation tools.

[–]MaskedxAvenger 1211ポイント1212ポイント  (111子コメント)

It's absurd how many days it took for this to happen.

[–]trollsalot1234 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

You do realize how many interviews they had to give first right? I mean you gotta prioritize these things...

[–]SpontaneousLightBulb 240ポイント241ポイント  (18子コメント)

What about censorship? Your post is all about placating moderators (which are essentially unpaid employees and do deserve attention). However there is NOTHING about the overt censorship occurring on Reddit. Posts about Ellen Pao suddenly disappear, Reddit censorship, and other issues that are most certainly NOT harassing anyone end up in shadowbans for users.

Your apology is not accepted.

edit: spelling

[–]feauxley 34ポイント35ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm worried about this most of all, too.

[–]thetuckjameson 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same. Sometimes interesting posts just disappear in the middle of discussion, just because someone decided they didn't like it and removed it.

[–]only_your_enemy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's be honest here. This apology is to the mods, who exerted some real power. The transition to a safe space is still on, and anyone who doesn't like it is part of a seedy shitlord subset of redditors that they want gone.

Victoria being fired pissed off IAmA mods and other mods saw it a chance to vent their long-standing frustration. No one gives a shit about the users, especially the mods. Funny how we lost sight of that just because we were ecstatic someone, anyone was standing up to Pao and Alexis in a tangible way.

[–]wasmachien 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your three points are all directed towards the mods. What about regular users?

[–]Eliteer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think this post helps with anything at all

[–]SikhGamer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one believes you. Neither you or any of the reddit administration has any credit with your user base.

[–]hellothisisdog__ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

DON'T BUY GOLD.

USE ADBLOCK.

PAO MUST RESIGN.

[–]ThePatrickSays 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

But remember: most of us aren't interested in this.

[–]errl_dabbingtons 68ポイント69ポイント  (4子コメント)

i don't want your team to respond to comments, why are you apologizing for "the past"? reddit has taken a sharp downturn since you took the helm and envisioned some new Utopian hug palace, removed freedom of thought, and employed shady tactics. You have a history of throwing a hissy fit when you don't get your way but I, along with plenty of other users of this site don't want "change" we want you to stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

You are such a narcissist that you think that you can fix what's "Wrong" with the internet, but you're only fanning the flames against you. You took control of a beast of a website for resume fodder and it's not going your way. listen to what the actual complaints are.

Censorship needs to cease. you know that word, it's the word that comes before "desist" in all of those letters you've been sent in your life. i'm not saying stopping removing ILLEGAL content, but to completely do an about-face in the way reddit has ALWAYS been communicated is a great way to ostracize the community.

Mass deletions of negative stories about you, SHADOW-BANNING those who dare dissent needs to stop.

I know i'll probaby be shadow-banned for the past two comments i've made in regard to you. and I'm prepared for that. It's a good thing i'm archiving the post right now. so when in the future I can join the thousands you've had silenced like a discount dictator.

[–]Simple_Tymes 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

The average users don't care about moderator tools. What matters to the passionate non-mod reddit community is:

PAID CONTENT: Will AMA and other reddit subs have content paid by sponsors? Will you disclose if reddit receives money for specific corporate posts to receive higher placement/votes? How far are you willing to go to monetize reddit?

CENSORSHIP: Will you delete subs based on advertisers' requests? Will you ban users who don't agree with specific speech/content guidelines?

POOR MANAGEMENT: The firing of Victoria may, in fact, be completely justified. But the pure business of of firing the head of AMAs (arguably Reddit's highest profile sub) was simply terrible management. Why didn't you know how your business is run? Why didn't you have a transition strategy in place for Victoria's departure? Why didn't she introduce her replacement to her important clients/mods? How is this not business 101?

TRUST: Reddit is run by the good will of unpaid moderators. How can they trust you that their content won't be regulated based on corporate sponsorship? The rumors regarding Victoria's firing over disagreement about turning AMA into a money machine must be addressed. And "we don't discuss firings" isn't good enough -- what is Reddit's plan for the future of the AMAs? And why should we trust you to continue to support a site that doesn't seem to respect your intelligence?

Simply, if these issues aren't addressed, then it's time to move somewhere else. If Reddit wants to turn the community into an advertiser platform (and do it in the most unprofessional, mismanaged way) then there's no sense in supporting a site that no longer shares our beliefs. Why should we trust you to do the right thing?

[–]UnholyDemigod 52ポイント53ポイント  (53子コメント)

(please note: my status as a mod has zero bearing on my comment. This is from me, and me alone.)

Ellen - /u/ekjp - I have defended you (and the entire admin staff) for a long time. When people made comments about how you were turning reddit into a SJW haven, I told them to shut the fuck up. When the FPH people made you out to be a nazi, I went through threads and did my best to tell these people how they were wrong, and you were actually doing good by reddit. But with your recent comments to the media, you have made it very hard to continue to defend you. For example, you say it's only the vocal minority who cares about this. This and other things you have said lead me to believe one of two things: you either do not understand the reddit userbase, or you do not care. If the former is true, do you plan to rectify this? If the latter is true, and you don't care about this site, why did you take the job?

[–]ivegotabridgetosell 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When people made comments about how you were turning reddit into a SJW haven, I told them to shut the fuck up. When the FPH people made you out to be a nazi

Turns out those guys ended up being the canary in the coal mine. Now you can stand in line and get called a misogynistic racist by click bait sites.

[–]professorthrowaweigh 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hi Ellen Pao,

The dynamic between leadership and volunteers changes once money is injected. I haven't seen anyone else make this point publicly. It's one thing to put up with a shoestring user experience when the business is running a shoestring budget. It's entirely different if there's an infusion of $50 mil. That's a lot of money for everyone, and people generating content and user experience start to wonder (consciously or unconsciously) "Where's mine?"

Perhaps the most significant problem you inherited was the (perceived) collapse of the plan to share the wealth of reddit. Site participation as usufruct (e.g., all renting includes a small % of rent to own). Take that away, replace it with silence, and you get the current issues. My analysis, for whatever it's worth.

I think community members will start investing in you if (1) you demonstrate materially that you are investing in them, and (2) you actively build your own visible personality on the site.

Regarding (1), did the change to ssl happen on your watch? I don't recall. That's a big deal, maybe the most important thing, to a user like me. What are your visible victories, how have you improved the experience of the mundane user?

Best wishes going forward.

[–]xdrg 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

i gave up on this site when i heard ekjp on npr talking about how reddit was no longer meant to be a "free speech" platform.

i'm just waiting until the dust settles to see what the best alternative will be.

[–]geocitiesdreaming 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but no. What I'm about to say is absolutely going to be buried, and that's fucking fine, but I just need to say it somewhere

MOD TOOLS ARE A PROBLEM, BUT A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE THAT IS HAPPENING TO REDDIT; THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED HERE, AND IS NOT ONLY CONTINUALLY NOT BEING ADDRESSED, BUT CONTINUALLY BEING BURIED UNDER "MOD TOOLS" AND THE REDDIT COMMUNITY IS PRETTY MUCH FALLING IN LINE.

Long time lurker, don't even particularly care about reddit that much, but when I see this many people simply not getting what is a very obvious situation, I have to say something. For clarity and brevity I will try and do this in list form:

Generally agreed upon roblems with reddit

  1. Censorship
  2. Commercialization
  3. No transparency
  4. No communication
  5. No Respect

I think that's pretty much the long-and-short of it. But look at this post carefully, then look at everything she and Alexis have been saying to media sources in the past two days. They have entirely been spinning this problem as "oh, we're sorry, we don't know how to communicate! We really screwed up with mod tools, we're so sorry!" And I get why some random reporter from another news site would bite that, but that fact that so many redditors are completely buying that as the primary, and ostensibly only, issue is fucking mind boggling. Yes, mod tools are an issue. Yes, I want the mods to get what they need, but there is a gigantic difference between one problem that can essentially be solved with a dedicated and competent staff, and another problem which is a group of leader fundamentally changing the ethos of an entire website, not only are the nowhere near close to having the same importance, but when most of the reddit hivemind seems to follow this Pao party line that the "mod tools issue" is the primary issue, then it almost becomes black comedy.

And I completely understand that she can't talk about Victoria being fired. However, from the few things we do know about that situation, we can deduce a few things:

  1. Obviously it was a bad firing since Victoria happily stood aside while reddit burned over her firing.
  2. While not an undeniable fact, anyone with common sense can deduce that she was likely fired because she was the person stopping them from commercializing AMAs

THIS IS A HUGE DEAL

The Victoria firing is not a catalyst, or in any way an isolated issue. None of these are isolated ideas. Increased censorship plays for the case of commercialization, (And my "censorship" I don't only mean the FPH business, i mean for the past two days I have been looking at the differences between the top posts and the front page and it is remarkable how many incredibly-upvoted anti-reddit posts are not making it to the front page. This is very clearly website manipulation to make it seem like it's business as usual). Victoria being fired plays for commercialization. Mods not having the tools they need makes them less powerful which also plays for the case of commercialization. COMMERCIALIZATION IS THE BEGINNING AND THE END OF THIS WHOLE MESS. Unless you guys want a reddit where every post is an advertisement, something has to be done about this now.

Everything about how they have spun the narrative, to how they manipulate the front page, to their business practices, to this awful marketing class PR memo they crudely labeled as an "apology" smells disgusting.

And what about that leaked screenshot of Alexis talking to mods where he explicitly said that all AMAs while be coordinated through an AMA email address, but would not give an answer on who that person is. That's essentially a smoking gun that is on gawker, digg and god knows where else, but is for some reason unable to make any traction on reddit. And I know that it's partially because so many power users are drinking kool aid, but it's also because, frankly, it seems like this entire website is being manipulated with ease from corporate HQ. I mean, that's the new plan with AMAs, sponsored AMA working through Alexi's weird nerve point email address which will likely be housed by a team of PR/marketing aficionados who will ensure that AMAs will be glorified commercials.

But whatever, clearly these people won, clearly you guys are fine with spending all day on a glorified home shopping network that poses as a forum. I'm off to fucking Voat anyway, but I had to fucking put this somewhere, just for my own fucking sanity, because I am really just astounded that no one can put this together.

Godspeed

[–]MarshallMelon 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm.

Provide some more info as to why exactly the events of July 2nd even needed to occur in the first place and maybe then we'll take you seriously.

[–]Wakers 363ポイント364ポイント  (32子コメント)

We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years

Already trying to deflect criticism away from your own regime management within the opening sentence.

It's not sincere.

Talking to major media outlets before addressing the community on your own social platform demonstrates incompetence.

Not a good start.

"It was hard to communicate on Reddit because of the downvotes."

I'm sorry, what?

You know that people have to read your post before it gets downvoted, right? If you'd have posted anything addressing the concerns it would be at the top of /r/all within an hour, easily.

EDIT: replaced 'regime' because apparently a chunk of users are unfamiliar with its colloquial use.

[–]SabashChandraBose 74ポイント75ポイント  (3子コメント)

TIL that Reddit gods can't sticky their posts.

[–]fightlinker 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

"We'll work on fixing sticky functionality, check back with us in 6 months"

[–]elitegamerbros 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just hire a few more marketing and business majors, that will speed up the process.

[–]tumbler_fluff 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

In fairness, she also said the buck stops with her.

It's either been going on for several years or it hasn't, and if she had isolated it to only the last few months I'm sure many would have been quick to point that out.

[–]bcgoss 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods are complaining about years of poor communication. If she hadn't mentioned "the past several years" then people would yell at her for that.

[–]karmaranovermydogma 396ポイント397ポイント  (35子コメント)

I know it's minor, but I appreciate how direct the wording of the apology was. No "I'm sorry if you were upset" or "I'm sorry you feel that way" unlike many "political" apologies; rather it was a straight to the point nostra culpa "We screwed up."

Be interesting to see where this goes.

[–]dewfeathers 113ポイント114ポイント  (23子コメント)

I also appreciate the direct wording. I am hopeful, and would like to remain cautiously optimistic, that the changes mentioned will happen. I hope that as they roll out they will be posted in r/announcements.

[–]pchc_lx 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Popcorn tastes good.

[–]Bike_shop_owner 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why are you tip toeing around the huge issue that is a 170,000 signature petition to have you step down?

[–]until0 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our team is ready to respond to comments.

I really don't think they are.

[–]swolejusticewarrior 172ポイント173ポイント  (9子コメント)

Why did you talk to everyone but reddit, we are the community and you ignored us. Its obvious you don't know much about the community here at all. Why don't you keep working on these positive changes but you yourself should make a real effort to become apart of and involved in the wonderful thing called reddit.

[–]Hezkezl 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll believe it when I see it.

Too many promises made over the years with no actual follow through. You're like Ubisoft talking about "improving relations with PC gamers".. saying the same thing time after time after time, with no actual improvement.

[–]post_break 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this the type of communication we can expect from miss krispy?

[–]Cabbage_In_Ya_Muff 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for listening. Please share feedback here. Our team is ready to respond to comments.

I've read countless respectfully asked questions on this thread, and just about every one of them has been completely ignored. Rather, I've seen nothing but cherry-picking comments so you can parrot what has already been said.

This is an attempt at damage control and nothing else. There is no sincerity here. No true depth of feeling or actual accountability taken. We're given the "We're so sorry speech" with hopes that a large portion will eat it up, and I'm sure it has worked to some extent.

You run to big media and try to play the PR game, then come to the community that is essentially cutting your paycheck after how many days with this empty message?

This is truly sickening.

Imagine a stadium full of nearly 200,000 people from around the world; each one of them chanting for you to resign. That is what you are facing right now. Given, a petition isn't going to pry the position out of your cold, dead hands, but it gives a little perspective to just how little respect you have earned, and what you've done here today isn't helping that. I'll be adding myself to that list of thousands of people tonight after seeing this.

[–]mudclog 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking forward to the improvements in the coming months! And if not, I'm looking forward to the implosion!

[–]jupigare 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

I appreciate that you guys are acknowledging the problem and at least saying you'll try to fix it. That's certainly better than ignoring the problem or, worse, outright saying one doesn't exist.

I just hope this all isn't a "Please understand" a la Nintendo. Words are better than silence, but they aren't as good as actual tangible change.

[–]thejellydude 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Look, I'm not the most active mod of /r/funny, but I've been around for a while, and I pay attention to the backroom when things like this happen. Are you really acknowledging all the issues here? And I don't just mean mine as a mod, but those of the users. Mind explaining to me how you're going to handle:

Shadowbanning and how it negatively affects content producers in niche subreddits?

The constant lack of listening to mod requests by the admins? (I still remember how much we had to fight to let /u/Kylde moderate more than just 3 defaults. That was insane.)

Restructuring the reddit site-wide rules to be more transparent and clear?

Why you aren't working with the current modtools providers on how to integrate their product? (They've said time and again they would love for you to steal from them)

How you think Krispykrackers, working alone, will be enough for 6,000+ mods? We've already said we don't think this is going to work, and I've heard no response to this.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's hard for me to take a post like this serious when you don't address any of the issues that have been outstanding, but only the ones brought up by the recent event.

[–]gitykinz 1855ポイント1856ポイント  (257子コメント)

I don't really care what you have to say. This is PR bullshit and you don't have a leg to stand on.

[–]razorsheldon 209ポイント210ポイント  (9子コメント)

How can you demand a response from somebody but then not care what they have to say? It's one thing to disagree, but not caring at all and not even bothering to listen is like a child throwing a tantrum.

[–]Litig8 321ポイント322ポイント  (68子コメント)

What would you have liked her to say? Seriously? Give us your ideal "apology". I'd love to hear this.

[–]LectureModeOff 696ポイント697ポイント  (110子コメント)

This apology is so half-hearted.

[–]N8theGr8 885ポイント886ポイント  (74子コメント)

You guys would complain no matter what she said.

What are you looking for? How could she have improved her statement? She acknowledged that there was a problem and gave some steps they're taking. Any actual change is going to take time anyway. If you have any actual criticism you should have included that.

edit If you really want to see reactionary responses, check the timestamps. The top few comments were posted within two minutes of this post being made. Do you think those users had enough time to read the post, consider it and what they wanted to say, and type it out in that amount of time?

[–]slumdogbillionaire 487ポイント488ポイント  (28子コメント)

If there's any evidence that reddit is adolescent, this is it.

I don't care what you have to say. I hate you.

Productive. /s

[–]Llim 151ポイント152ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why don't they take us seriously???

[–]gizzardgullet 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

reddit is adolescent

Ellen Pao sucks

Polar simplifications of a more complex dynamic that deserves level headed discussion

[–]immolated_ 378ポイント379ポイント x4 (81子コメント)

REMINDER EVERYONE: DO NOT BUY GOLD IN THIS THREAD

[–]BroadCityChessClub 85ポイント86ポイント  (16子コメント)

Quit trying to trick people into buying you gold, that never works anymore. apparently it still works, but it's a bad look.

[–]pie_pig3 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tbh it gets really annoying, spend the money on something else. Like donate to a charity instead

[–]zerogeesus 190ポイント191ポイント  (39子コメント)

Several Questions:

Can you respond to the change.org petition which is (as of this moment) currently at 170K~ signers and growing?

Will you step down as most redditors currently see you as the problem, not the solution?

How do you plan to gain back the community's trust?

[–]Helpmefindsomething 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this is a first step to transparancy... so thats good I suppose..

Currently, im very excited to see what the next reason is going to be for the Voat servers to die...

[–]brzt6060 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

You missed the most important points, censorship and transparency.

[–]dangerdark 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

Weird. There seems to be a lot of angry people in here for such a small vocal minority.

[–]jjlew080 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you need to understand Reddit can go the way of MySpace or Digg in a heartbeat if things continue to operate like this. This is a user driven site. Without content providers, Reddit is nothing. I suggest weekly blog posts about ideas and changes need to be communicated way in advance, with a solid plan to keep subs running smoothly. This post is a good first start. I don't think you have many strikes left, to be honest.

[–]reseph 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess I'm concerned on why we should believe this now?

It's been 4 years since things like this have started to be "worked on" or "engineered resources".

4 years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/modhelp/comments/i2fok/abusive_user/c20jlvq?context=3

Or how about the projects admins have been given to head up, and now we're left in the dark after the admins have been "let go"? Specifically /r/snoogaming

We need more communication from the admins. Not just these tools, but communication and answers. You can give us communication now.

[–]xwm 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reads very much like a "This is turning out to be way worse than we thought, how can we string them along while we slap something together last minute to appease them."

The last few weeks has shown precisely what the admins/glorious leader feel towards users: condescension. This play doesn't read any different.

[–]HazMat68W 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

but also over the past several years

Since you've been in power. Let's be real here.