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[–]yishan 391ポイント392ポイント  (55子コメント)

Because she's not really responsible. She's been in the job for a few months and is cleaning up the mess I made.

The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

[–]Deimorz 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

EDIT: hey reddit staff, can I have an alum distinguish?

I think you should be able to do it now.

[–]reostra 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

While you're at it...

(Also, hi!)

[–]unique616 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for working on the new moderator tools. I like using the auto moderator.

[–]G_Comstock 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair play for taking whatever portion of the flak is your due.

[–]DoubleGSpot 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

redditors are treating Ellen this way because this is the internet and we have the ability to google her and find out all sorts of things she's done outside of being reddit CEO that are of questionable morality.

This frames the things she has done as CEO and directly affects the way we perceive anything she says publicly. Her credibility is shaky here not only because of the way things have been going for the site lately but because out in the real world she does some seriously messed up stuff.

[–]99639 79ポイント80ポイント  (11子コメント)

She has done plenty in her short term here to upset a lot of people, all on her own. The things that happened before she arrived are why people are angry at the admins in general, rather than just Ellen in particular.

[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

She removed FPH and a few others, which made some people angry, but most didn't care. That uproar died after a few days of petulance, and I honestly don't see any real issue with the action. And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission. I understand why people are mad about this one, as mods volunteer a lot of their time to keep this site running, and admin communication is important. Still though, an apology and an action plan should be enough to fix that. If you think firing Victoria was bad, what's the action plan for mods when Pao acquiesces to the mob and abruptly resigns?

[–]sealfoss 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Granted, I was no FPH fan either, but I still have a pretty big problem with their ban. That problem being that the stated reason for the ban was due to the behavior of the sub's community (harassment). But with the blinding hypocrisy of keeping other subs open that propagate what could be easily construed as the same sorts of behavior (SRS, coon town, etc), it leads me to believe that they aren't banning behavior. They're banning conversations they don't like, according to whatever agenda they come up with. To reiterate, I don't like FPH either, so I'm not exactly sad to see them gone, but one day the admins may decided they don't like something I do enjoy, and that will suck. Hence, I too have a voat.co account now.

[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't begrudge anyone that disagrees with the FPH removal, but it doesn't bother me at all. I think FPH was brigading in a way that was disruptive and damaging to reddit's reputation with imgur, so they got stomped out. I would imagine they were given a warning too, something to the effect of "stop harassing other subs and sites or we're shutting you down".

[–]Bifrons 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

And she fired an employee of her own company without asking moderators for permission.

She doesn't have to ask anyone for permission before firing an employee of hers. What she does need to do, though, is fully understand the impact the loss to the company will be and take steps to minimize the impact. It's here where she failed.

[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, which is why I said:

Still though, an apology and an action plan should be enough to fix that.

She failed in that respect, but the way to correct it is to let the mods know what the plan is from here on out.

[–]99639 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I care about fph because it was a bellwether. It was removed while other subs that violated the identical rules but much more brazenly, but along the ideological lines that reddit admins and Ellen support, were not banned. This was the first case of censorship of opposing viewpoints. Since then it's escalated to include numerous posts and subs that are simply expressing an anti Ellen viewpoint but have taken great care not to break a single reddit rule. Still banned.

[–]str1cken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't suppose you could be talking about SRS, hmm?

[–]blahblahdoesntmatter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are plenty of subs that remain on reddit that are pretty repulsive. FPH was being used to brigade other subs and sites, and they were almost certainly warned before they got the axe. After that, it was a game of whack-a-mole on people they'd determined should be shadowbanned.

[–]MyVinylOffer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

People have no confidence in the direction she is taking the website going forward either, it's not just what has happened the past few weeks.

[–]hivoltage815 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

People were against her from day one because she is a female that was engaged in sexual harassment related litigation. There were frequent posts with her photo on places like /r/punchablefaces before she even took an action as CEO. The tone was set no matter what she did.

[–]Kenny__Loggins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. And that narrative will never fly on reddit. People will pick and choose reasons to hate her even though there isn't good reason.

[–]ichbineindonut 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you see if you can get /u/chooter an alum distinguish, too?

[–]jakjg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. You can't expect her to fix problems made before she came on board.

However, I feel like she's not really the best person for the job. She has a reputation for being hard to deal with, unreasonable, hard to get along with, litigious, etc. Basically a cold fish. So now you've taken a delicate situation and tried to fix it with a person who already comes with so much bad PR, no one is gonna give her the time of day.

[–]i_lost_my_password 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You did a few things that pissed of the users, like getting rid of viable up/down votes, but I think you knew what the future of reddit needed to look like - decentralized. I think a decentralized social network would never be profitable the way the investors need it to be and I think you saw this future and realized this was a game that could not be won.

[–]x0y0z0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm. Letting her take over might be your biggest mistake.

[–]CycoPenguin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good on you for taking some of the credit of bad decisions. This does not exonerate Pao, however.

[–]sealfoss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey man. Is the carpet better wherever it is you're working now?

[–]color_thine_fate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't really speak to the recent issues, such as the firing of Victoria without involving the moderators. Not in the decision-making, of course, because that is and should be handled internally, but they should have involved the mods in the post-game, to equip them with an alternative. Being stripped of Victoria without warning left them crippled, and was a terrible management decision. Whether the mods are being paid or not, they're still essential to reddit's success, period.

Also it doesn't speak to the censorship on the site, such as this shit, where a user was actually shadowbanned after making a comment about Pao. He is currently still banned. Maybe it was unrelated, but I highly doubt it.

I admire your honesty, claiming fault for many things. But she's addressing fucking SEARCH for christ sake. I mean, yeah, reddit's search is ass-awful, but there is not one single pissed off user who read that post and was like, "Finally! All we wanted was for Pao to publicly address search! Pitchforks down everyone!"

She may be cleaning up a mess you made, but to imply that, aside from that, errythang's smooth sailing, you - like Pao - are either missing or ignoring the issues most upset users are actually upset about.

[–]Tor_Coolguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh bullshit Yishan. First of all, a lot of the criticism has been to the admins in general. The criticism focused on Pao is mostly directly in response to things she herself has said or done. You never said that reddit isn't a free speech platform, she did. Victoria wasn't fired on your watch. The list is long.

[–]brokenarrow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What mistakes of yours are you referring to?

[–]fiffers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The level of vitriol is undeserved and over the top (it's the Internet, who would expect anything less), but I was genuinely surprised at how tone deaf all these key players seemed to be to the growing PR disaster.

[–]Mournhold 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The way redditors have been treating Ellen is eerily similar to how Republicans blamed Obama in his first years of the presidency for the problems he was working on fixing that were caused by the Bush administration.

I don't think this comparison works very well. Many of the issues that people are upset about have taken place fairly recently, while Ellen was in the position of interim CEO. In your Republican comparison and example, the blame was directed towards Obama by some outspoken Republicans in order to deflect any possible blame from being placed on the previous, Republican president, Bush. I don't think many people here on reddit are intentionally trying to place blame on Ellen in order to make you look better and by proxy, their political label.

I think many people just think that she sucks at her job and noticed a lot negative things happening while she is the acting CEO. Now, there is some truth to the idea that Ellen is being blamed for far more than she is probably directly accountable for, but your comparison to republicans blaming Obama for issues caused during Bush's presidency seems mostly off the mark.

Also, I like how you used the word eerily when setting up your poor comparison. I guess those dumb, silly US Republicans are 2spooky4u.

[–]MsLarvox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her personal life, views and opinions effect Reddit. She censored the site when she got rid of a couple of subs. The firing of hard workers like Victoria and Santa (From the gift exchange) is pretty out there in "making the site better".. She takes forever to respond to anyone.. she went to the news first before responding to anyone here on Reddit. SHE IS THE CEO SHE can sticky her comments, or even post in /r/announcements there really is no excuse.

She hasn't brought anything good at all.

Stop defending her. They are trying to make this site into what Digg tried to do.

And don't get us wrong, we don't think this site will be fixed once Ellen steps down (if she does), but it is the first step that needs to happen to fix the site in general. We blame every single admin on this site.. but she is a huge problem too.. and the fuck you's to us the past couple of days are completely stupid.

This whole thing is laughable. It's not even an apology to the users, but an apology to the mods.

Anyways... voat.co < Atko the owner actually responds to me on there. The strangest thing too.. he listens to his users .. I know.. WOW

[–]sbjf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ow, I dropped a hammer on my toe... thanks, Ellen!

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[–]cordialhero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

of all the people...yishan decides to piggy back pao as well. Glad youre no longer in charge either filthy scoundrel

[–]Workaphobia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's not single-handedly responsible for poor transparency and tooling, but the far worse claim now is that admins are accused of seizing editorial control over subreddits during the blackout. If true, it puts the entire relationship between reddit and its userbase into doubt, and the blame would ultimately rest on Ellen.

[–]Arch_0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two years isn't it?

[–]BloodInMySaltStream 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said this just above, but it should be a response to you as well:

The stuff that is broken can be on the previous administration. But communicating future plans for resolution, to fix them, or what needed fixing WAS her responsibility.

Sticking your head in the sand and doing nothing, OR not talking about plans for the future and ignoring requests for communication - she is fully culpable.

You liken it to the previous president - the new one comes in with a State of the union, and has frequent communication about their plans, and what they will do to better the nation. She has done next to nothing in that regard. This is the bases of the problem! Many users, including myself, are angry with the refusal to communicate. And when they do, its inflammatory or sarcastic! Way back in the days of Fark, an Admin named Jeff did something nearly identical, and was sacked nearly the next day. Is this any different? Check this out: http://www.fark.com/comments/7692480/Youll-get-over-it

[–]Diplomjodler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While it was certainly not an easy task she took on, I don't see any positive contribution she has made at all.

[–]SpaceSteak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except Obama didn't have Pao's recent legal troubles. Her frivolous lawsuits are enough to highlight her major issues.

[–]CryHav0c -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are people being shadowbanned in this thread?

[–]Shezzam -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hello, you sneaked in here didn't you? What do you see as the way forward? The site has changed for the worst, how do you think it can get better?

[–]labortooth -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, you didn't do enough harm to warrant a comparison to the Bush administration.

[–]mherdeg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Prepare three envelopes… ;)

[–]rockhounding -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

She IS responsible. Who the fuck are you again? Oh yeah, you are the one that sold us out to these vampires.

[–]bruhovic -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've never had a fraudulent past, were likeable, and knew how to use the website. You knew reddit. Those are some more reasons we think she's as shit as ever.

[–]Templescio -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go away shitbag

[–]thejournalizer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh stop.

[–]FreedomsTorch -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

By your logic, you're George W Bush and should fuck off and go golfing instead of commenting.

Easy for you to climb up on the cross since you have nothing to lose.

[–]TheBoldakSaints -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obama lost the war. So you're saying Pao is going to destroy reddit?