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[–]desmunda1 3268ポイント3269ポイント  (648子コメント)

So anyway why did you go on to give detailed statements to thirdparty newsfeeds first, before speaking to us? The place with the tagline 'the frontpage of the internet'? The people you slighted in the first place? Hell even buzzfeed got info before this statement from you...

Edit: Ellen responded to me, but I anticipate she will be heavily downvoted so here's the reply

"It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now."

[–]Phrostbite 878ポイント879ポイント  (60子コメント)

The buzzfeed one hurt the most.

[–]Protuhj 1706ポイント1707ポイント  (49子コメント)

10 Ways You Won't Believe That reddit Users Can Go Fuck Themselves!

[–]Butcher_Of_Hope 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

They had to post something. I mean so many defaults closed for the day they had to get news and other bits from somewhere.

[–]Llim 487ポイント488ポイント  (115子コメント)

Publicity. Trying to do immediate damage control for the media

[–]-impostura- 191ポイント192ポイント  (54子コメント)

And it did work, partially. Many 3rd part sites wrote articles that portrayed redditors as the evil and Ellen Pao/admins as the victimized admins.

[–]PainMatrix 95ポイント96ポイント  (41子コメント)

Really? Everything that I saw was more sympathetic to the redditors. Then again I only get my news from reddit.

[–]res0nat0r 95ポイント96ポイント  (39子コメント)

Downvoting legit replies, and other outrageous nonsense by the redditors here in fact to me shows them as not being evil, just stupid and childish.

[–]helloimwilliamholden 66ポイント67ポイント  (29子コメント)

Totally agree. Most of the comments here are very immature. What do people expect? The OP said, "We fucked up and we've had a long series of fuck ups that we want to correct. Here's what we're doing about it." What else do they want?

And to keep asking what happened to Victoria is just fucking stupid. They can't talk about, so they need to fucking stop asking about it.

[–]anticapitalist 64ポイント65ポイント  (39子コメント)

Worse, I don't see this as an apology to the users, but an apology to the mods.

To the users, reddit is slowly becoming more controlled by a small group of well connected mods. They censor anything they dislike & ruin reddit.

[–]coopdude 32ポイント33ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is absolutely an apology to the mods. While the mods were slighted in several ways (bearing in mind that moderation is a volunteer activity that benefits the site when done properly), the users lost confidence and had issues with the quality of content/site trust as well, and the users are a large part of contributing.

The discussion on the improvements doesn't seem to even be transparent and is instead hidden behind closed doors. This lack of transparency creates a rift between the users and the mods/site owners.

[–]Vesploogie 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which makes me think this announcement is mostly just baseless pandering to a user base she doesn't care about.

[–]wachet 104ポイント105ポイント  (8子コメント)

Because she didn't want the media wildfire to spread any faster, and the damage was already done with us.

The mods are the ones that really deserved to be addressed first though.

[–]alienith 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

Agreed. Just look at the comments so far. Even after everyones gotten the chance to cool down a bit, they're still very bitter and hateful. The admins probably wanted to go and do some outside damage control while waiting for the userbase to relax a little.

The truth is they don't have a fix ready for the problems at the moment. So pretty much the best that they can do is say "We're sorry, we're going to fix this". Personally, I think thats fair. The admins at least deserve a chance to fix these problems (even though, yes, they have been given plenty of time before)

[–]BrotherClear 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weren't these things already mentioned in the "Welcome Back" post over at /r/iama?

[–]Quaintrelle914 167ポイント168ポイント  (12子コメント)

Because going to a thread immediately just got -1000 votes and lots of, "Ellen Pao is a cunt" replies. No one is under any obligation to engage when that's whats being thrown at them.

[–]NowThatsAwkward 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

You haven't truly participated in an admin post until at least one of your comments is downvoted into oblivion!

I can't even imagine how much worse it would be if it was all personally directed at you though.

[–]chirpbirdchirp 123ポイント124ポイント  (13子コメント)

They went down the list of who was more important to apologize to. News organizations came first, we came last.

[–]usernameJW 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

You read the news though, right?

I suspect the answer might have something to do with good reporters at major news outlets having their contact information, calling over and over to get a response and giving Reddit a deadline along the lines of "If I don't hear from you before [this time], we'll have to run the story without your input."

[–]fridgetarian 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, this is a perfectly good explanation for why it appeared in print first. It doesn't really explain the lack of response on reddit itself.

[–]cahaseler 313ポイント314ポイント  (21子コメント)

Hi Ellen,

/r/IAMA mod here. First, thank you for finally making a statement about this on reddit.

Second, can you go into more detail about the direction you see for celebrity participation on Reddit in a post-Victoria age? Alexis has made some comments to us behind the scenes about your ideas to encourage celebrity participation beyond AMAs, but I'd love to have the conversation in a more public space where everyone can participate.

[–]DoctorDank 764ポイント765ポイント  (38子コメント)

Your second to last paragraph is spot on.

These are just words.

You haven't actually instituted any reforms yet. To be honest, this just feels like corporate newspeak. You're just telling us what we want to hear. I think you'd ve a better response if you actually instituted the reforms you speak of, instead of just talking about how you're going to do them.

Because talk is cheap.

But, at least you acknowledge that the way you went about dismissing Victoria was utterly tone-deaf, and very disrespectful to the (unpaid, hard-working) moderators who relied on her in order to make their subreddits the very best.

Oh wait no, you totally didn't do that either. You just say you're acknowledging a "long history" of mistakes, without actually acknowledging them at all!

More newspeak.

So, I don't really know what to make of this "announcement." Guess we'll just have to wait and see if you put your money where your mouth is, won't we?

[–]FlacidPhil 53ポイント54ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is basically just repeating what /u/kn0thing has already said. No more news, just 'tools are coming and we'll make more announcements at you'.

[–]evess_arudem 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

OK, but would you rather they implement the reforms and then post about them? That's exactly what people were complaining about before.

[–]DoctorDank 23ポイント24ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'd much rather this post give us some sort of timetable, instead of vague promises of nebulous "reforms."

[–]tthorwoaways 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate (though I may be unintentionally), but working out anything like an accurate or reliable timetable probably wouldn't be possible for a while. If they're sincere in what they've said, they will probably want to communicate with the moderators a lot more before making concrete plans, and even that could take a few days.

Though I'm judging the announcement as an immediate response. If no timeline or definite ideas are announced within a few weeks, forget everything I've said above.

[–]ucantsimee 315ポイント316ポイント  (13子コメント)

You've been promising mod tools for longer than I care to remember and they are still "coming soon." At this point your word alone means nothing. Actions will be the way to make it up to the community. Not words. Get to work.

[–]bananinhao 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

And there are no details... nor Ideas...

I bet they're massive user controlling tools. There won't be a next blackout.

[–]PsychMarketing 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

doesn't look like they've been working on them at all - she says there are people now assigned to begin talking about what tools to build...

[–]vorpib 1388ポイント1389ポイント  (163子コメント)

How about apologizing for calling your strongest user base insignificant ?

[–]solidfox535 210ポイント211ポイント  (19子コメント)

170,000 people and growing.

Petition here.

[–]adremeaux 48ポイント49ポイント  (11子コメント)

Double it up and it will represent 1% of the site's traffic! We did it, reddit!

edit: People, I know the 1% rule. But that rule doesn't mean that the other 99%'s opinions aren't valid.

[–]ekjp[S,A] 540ポイント541ポイント  (106子コメント)

I assume you’re referring to the NYT quote. I want to clarify the quote's context. The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority. I do understand that the site is built on the content and voting, and I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users.

[–]good_jarsh_jerker 863ポイント864ポイント x2 (27子コメント)

Guys think really hard before downvoting everything she says. This is a reasonable response.

People were literally calling her a cunt, Hitler, and all sorts of really vile racist shit. She was saying those people are insignificant. That's actually an important fucking distinction, because she's saying the average redditor isn't calling her a vile cunt, and those are just a cruel minority.

For fucks sake guys. Come on, if you want credibility you need to respond to what Ellen actually says, not just downvote everything and only and always assume the worst.

[–]JonLuca 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

While I do not agree with a lot of the recent decisions, and the history of communication, I do have to agree with you on this - it was clear that you were talking about the extremely vocal minority who is issuing hate mail and death threats over a website and the slight changes within.

[–]guruwin 151ポイント152ポイント  (12子コメント)

I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users.

Then why haven't ANY of your actions reflected this?

[–]sauceDinho 69ポイント70ポイント  (5子コメント)

Lol, what the hell. Why does the average redditor feel so slighted? I thought this was between the Mods and the Admins.

[–]cpxh[🍰] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

After many many years on reddit, I've seen these kinds of things many times.

People just want to get up in arms about something, but don't worry, in 6 months no one will care.

This is like the Occupy Wall Street movement of reddit.

[–]loveyouinblue 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they have nothing else going on in their lives.

[–]CaptnRonn 148ポイント149ポイント  (6子コメント)

A few things beyond a PR statement that would restore my faith in the admins:

  1. Stop shadowbanning users - It was a tool made for spam bots, not to silence dissent. The mere fact that a perfectly legitimate user can be shadowbanned without their knowledge is ridiculous, and it has been happening more and more in the past few months/year

  2. Stop subreddit favoritism - You want to have anti-harassment rules? Great. Enforce them in every. sub. equally. Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links. Why does SRS get away with being able to post direct links with obvious brigading?

Also, /u/ekjp, as much as I would like to think that things are business as usual with you as CEO, you have made some very questionable statements regarding free speech and sexism in tech from a position that is seemingly vacant in logic. The fact that you feel you must talk to major news sites before actually acknowledging your userbase is troubling to say the least. You have done nothing to earn my trust or support, and in fact have done several things to reinforce the opposite. So... prove me wrong?

[–]AntonioOfVenice 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other meta-reddit subs have to use np links.

Even though it's not a meta-reddit sub, /r/KotakuInAction doesn't even use np-links - we have to use archives, or we'd be accused of "brigading" and banned. And yet SRS is permitted to openly brigade every other sub on Reddit. Not to mention the fact that SRS is openly dedicated to destroy Reddit. Why does that not fall under 'breaking Reddit'?

[–]54CymruBeats 837ポイント838ポイント  (70子コメント)

Okay.

[–]Sorabella 114ポイント115ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We're sorry you're angry, but also the angry people are an insignificant majority that don't really matter."

[–]rephyr 277ポイント278ポイント  (32子コメント)

I don't want what she's selling.

[–]nuxeon 363ポイント364ポイント  (24子コメント)

Sorry dude, you're the product, not the consumer.

[–]Thundercruncher 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

This morning I turned on ad block plus again for reddit. Any advice on further measures, short of leaving, to deny ad revenue to reddit would be appreciated.

[–]rfbandit 586ポイント587ポイント  (41子コメント)

Thank you for finally apologizing on here, instead of through media interviews. Should've come to your community first, instead of the press. But you also miss the point. You say a majority of reddit users don't care. But, those of us who create content for the lurkers care. Acting flippant isn't a good way to get us on your side.

[–]TheGreatRayPape 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how your apology over a lack of communication wasn't delivered to the people who needed it until you told every other press outlet first.

This has nothing to do with your race, gender, sexual orientation, weight, height, eye color, or any other physical attribute or personal preference in any arena; no matter what light your behavior and decision-making is used to examine your choices here, they universally identify you as completely incompetent as a CEO of a site built on community data aggregation.

[–]UpstateBrah 654ポイント655ポイント  (17子コメント)

Well this doesn't sound like an HR memo at all. /s

[–]funkenspine 181ポイント182ポイント  (6子コメント)

  • Copies the previous posts goals to fill space - Check
  • BIG SORRY - Check
  • "WE" - Check
  • "Were commited, starting now" - Check, also what the fuck does that mean.

NOW YOURE COMMITTED? ALL YOU HAVE IS COMMUNITY! THATS THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING!

[–]LarcusMywood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus christ this user base is so pathetic.

I know these are just words, and it may be hard for you to believe us. I don't have all the answers, and it will take time for us to deliver concrete results.

[–]summerofevidence 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, in what other way can it be said without sounding like that?

[–]jsmooth7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

What exactly do you want her to say? I'm genuinely curious. It seems to me like there is literally nothing she could say that would make people here happy.

[–]stagecraftman 688ポイント689ポイント  (307子コメント)

Why was Victoria fired?

[–]JimmytheCreep 110ポイント111ポイント  (5子コメント)

I know everyone really wants the answer to this question, but it's extremely unprofessional for an employer to discuss the circumstances of someone's departure from their company. I work in an itty-bitty family-owned restaurant and the boss still never talks about why people leave. He doesn't even tell us if they quit or were fired. I can almost guarantee that we'll never get the answer to this question, and that's the way it should be.

[–]Cereal_Junior 171ポイント172ポイント  (21子コメント)

I believe it's against the law for an employer to disclose that. Correct me if I'm wrong

[–]this_is_balls 196ポイント197ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not against the law, but standard business etiquette. Similar to giving an employer 2 weeks notice before quitting.

[–]tahlyn 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

It can result in slander/libel lawsuits and could break any contracts they have in place from the time of hire or any sort of NDA contracts for their separation. I do not think there is anything explicit in US law that says the reasons behind an employee firing must be kept private. It's other laws you incidentally break break by disclosing it.

[–]ansible_jane 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Legally *Professionally no one can answer that. Stop asking.

[–]sonofaitch 39ポイント40ポイント  (7子コメント)

The main issue, clearly, is the divide between Reddit the website and Reddit the business. Finding a balance to please both can obviously be quite difficult, but you'd be surprised to see the positive feedback and ideas the communities will have that could prop up the business side if you actively listen. I hope we can better the site thru this.

Some ideas, of course, are crazy (https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/3cauxn/community_buyout_of_reddit/) but at least some are trying

[–]Anon2971 92ポイント93ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right. They're just words. The same kind of words you've been saying for years.

It's appreciated that you're now apologizing and try to make amends, but I personally won't be believing it until I start to actually see these changes happen, like an explicit explanation/timeline/development details of what tools are being made, or the moderators themselves saying that communication has improved.

Also, a direct response to the Victoria scandal would be good. You don't need to tell us why /u/chooter got fired, but you could at least say if there's now a new point of contact for mods to go to when it comes to arranging these AMAs rather than leaving them high and dry.

[–]Garethp 99ポイント100ポイント  (4子コメント)

Thanks for the announcement. I wasn't expecting it to actually come. Quick question: Will those devs be communicating with us at /r/Toolbox?

[–]MaskedxAvenger 777ポイント778ポイント  (66子コメント)

It's absurd how many days it took for this to happen.

[–]TooManyGone 353ポイント354ポイント  (52子コメント)

What, that it took until the next business day?

[–]vorpib 681ポイント682ポイント  (25子コメント)

Considering there were statements to the media over the weekend, yes.

[–]TooManyGone 91ポイント92ポイント  (7子コメント)

Perhaps they needed to meet and discuss the problems and direction with their team before being able to issue this statement? Talking to the media, perhaps in response to questions, might not be the same as making promises to your users/customers.

But I didn't know there'd been statements to the media so thanks for pointing that out.

[–]AMarmot 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps they needed to meet and discuss the problems and direction with their team before being able to issue this statement?

Yeah, the problem with that view is that /u/kn0thing and /u/ekjp have actually been blabbering nonstop platitudes, apologies and snide remarks for the past three days in individual comments, that pretty much echo the content of this post. Nothing in this post is new information, it's just a succinct recap of this and this, but in a more visible place.

[–]LatinumDigger 26ポイント27ポイント  (13子コメント)

Statements to the media don't take time or effort though, really. Given that one of the major problems with the whole Victoria/AMA fiasco was acting without a contingency and communication plan, my guess is that they wanted to make sure that they actually has something concrete in place before addressing the community.

[–]sauceDinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not to mention we were bombarding the frontpage with Pao hate so I really don't blame her for not wanting to have an adult conversation.

[–]Hazzat 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the admins really like to reddit at work. Not so different from us after all?

[–]Wakers 164ポイント165ポイント  (11子コメント)

We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years

Already trying to deflect criticism away from your own regime within the opening sentence.

It's not sincere.

Talking to major media outlets before addressing the community on your own social platform demonstrates incompetence.

Not a good start.

"It was hard to communicate on Reddit because of the downvotes."

I'm sorry, what?

You know that people have to read your post before it gets downvoted, right? If you'd have posted anything addressing the concerns it would be at the top of /r/all within an hour, easily.

[–]gitykinz 1412ポイント1413ポイント  (138子コメント)

I don't really care what you have to say. This is PR bullshit and you don't have a leg to stand on.

[–]razorsheldon 79ポイント80ポイント  (3子コメント)

How can you demand a response from somebody but then not care what they have to say? It's one thing to disagree, but not caring at all and not even bothering to listen is like a child throwing a tantrum.

[–]LectureModeOff 478ポイント479ポイント  (61子コメント)

This apology is so half-hearted.

[–]N8theGr8 298ポイント299ポイント  (35子コメント)

You guys would complain no matter what she said.

What are you looking for? How could she have improved her statement? She acknowledged that there was a problem and gave some steps they're taking. Any actual change is going to take time anyway. If you have any actual criticism you should have included that.

edit If you really want to see reactionary responses, check the timestamps. The top few comments were posted within two minutes of this post being made. Do you think those users had enough time to read the post, consider it and what they wanted to say, and type it out in that amount of time?

[–]slumdogbillionaire 143ポイント144ポイント  (13子コメント)

If there's any evidence that reddit is adolescent, this is it.

I don't care what you have to say. I hate you.

Productive. /s

[–]Litig8 111ポイント112ポイント  (22子コメント)

What would you have liked her to say? Seriously? Give us your ideal "apology". I'd love to hear this.

[–]Scrubilicious 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I'm getting from all the anti-Ellen Pao around reddit is that she literally isn't a person who'd apologize for something like this. So no apology would work. Unless she were to basically point out all the things she's said and say she was wrong for everything, that might satisfy most.

[–]therealdarkcirc 82ポイント83ポイント  (4子コメント)

Looks like the limited minority slowed the gold bar enough.

[–]Adderkleet 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean 115% on d-day and 109% on "let's not spend gold"-day?
Okay, 66% yesterday was a bit of a surprising low, but we're at 48% at time of posting.

If we exceed, say, 80% today I'd say the dip is easing or receding. I can't find a gold%-per-day trend though.

[–]karmaranovermydogma 254ポイント255ポイント  (24子コメント)

I know it's minor, but I appreciate how direct the wording of the apology was. No "I'm sorry if you were upset" or "I'm sorry you feel that way" unlike many "political" apologies; rather it was a straight to the point nostra culpa "We screwed up."

Be interesting to see where this goes.

[–]dewfeathers 55ポイント56ポイント  (16子コメント)

I also appreciate the direct wording. I am hopeful, and would like to remain cautiously optimistic, that the changes mentioned will happen. I hope that as they roll out they will be posted in r/announcements.

[–]errl_dabbingtons 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

i don't want your team to respond to comments, why are you apologizing for "the past"? reddit has taken a sharp downturn since you took the helm and envisioned some new Utopian hug palace, removed freedom of thought, and employed shady tactics. You have a history of throwing a hissy fit when you don't get your way but I, along with plenty of other users of this site don't want "change" we want you to stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

You are such a narcissist that you think that you can fix what's "Wrong" with the internet, but you're only fanning the flames against you. You took control of a beast of a website for resume fodder and it's not going your way. listen to what the actual complaints are.

Censorship needs to cease. you know that word, it's the word that comes before "desist" in all of those letters you've been sent in your life. i'm not saying stopping removing ILLEGAL content, but to completely do an about-face in the way reddit has ALWAYS been communicated is a great way to ostracize the community.

Mass deletions of negative stories about you, SHADOW-BANNING those who dare dissent needs to stop.

I know i'll probaby be shadow-banned for the past two comments i've made in regard to you. and I'm prepared for that. It's a good thing i'm archiving the post right now. so when in the future I can join the thousands you've had silenced like a discount dictator.

[–]swolejusticewarrior 122ポイント123ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why did you talk to everyone but reddit, we are the community and you ignored us. Its obvious you don't know much about the community here at all. Why don't you keep working on these positive changes but you yourself should make a real effort to become apart of and involved in the wonderful thing called reddit.

[–]ploik2205 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont think this is enough.

The community is what makes reddit awesome,and yet you addressed this issue to other newsfeed (Buzzfeed?seriously?) Before adressing to your own community.

You don't know how reddit works (trying to link your pm inbox)

Gilding of self

Lack of communication

I think this is just a PR answer to ease us honestly.I think you ( /u/ekjp ) need to get more invested on reddit.Learn what is the community and what makes it good and special.Go on a handfull of subreddits and comment/take part of it.

Many people would want your position.And yet you still screwed up.

I hope you take the steps that are needed to improve this site and make the userbase happy with the managing of reddit

It makes me angry to see you say "We screwed up".I think YOU screwed up for the most part

[–]SpontaneousLightBulb 100ポイント101ポイント  (6子コメント)

What about censorship? Your post is all about placating moderators (which are essentially unpaid employees and do deserve attention). However there is NOTHING about the overt censorship occurring on Reddit. Posts about Ellen Pao suddenly disappear, Reddit censorship, and other issues that are most certainly NOT harassing anyone end up in shadowbans for users.

Your apology is not accepted.

edit: spelling

[–]DoctorWaluigiTime 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see tons and tons of posts about Ellen Pao sticking around for days. Unless I'm missing something? Are posts that talk about current events, instead of ones that are just blatently insulting (e.g. "Ellen's a nazi"), getting removed? Are they violating rules of the subreddit they're being posted in?

Not saying censorship isn't happening necessarily, but just from my point of view I'm not really seeing it, on /r/all or some of the subreddits I frequent. Just don't want to break out the pitchforking prematurely or without actual evidence/merit behind it, is all.

[–]illiam 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

When someon is desperate, they will say and do just about anything to convince and manipulate others to benefit their needs.

This statement sounds like someone who is drowning and quite desperate to deceive others to keep themselves alive.

[–]PavementOnWheels 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It took a petition for your resignation to reach 150,000 signatures before you felt it necessary to apologize? It's a little bit late for damage control, don't you think?

[–]Articuno_Alt 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You really need to address what happened with Victoria. You need to do it directly, and you need to do it publicly. Hiding behind "I can't comment on an individual's employment" or whatever isn't going to work, and if you're serious about being more transparent with the community, this is absolutely step one.

[–]BassheadPanda 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you feel about this comment by /u/CaptainObviousMC.

The thing is... She's absolutely right, I 100% don't care at all about this situation, reddit, or the moderators. I'm a pretty apathetic content sponge.

That fact is deadly dangerous to reddit, because the moment the content creators jump ship, I'll follow them like the fair weather fan I am, because I don't care -- at all -- where I get my content, or about which corporation or moderators are involved. If reddit compromises its content stream by having moderators jump ship, I'm out too, not because I care, but because I don't.

So she's right -- most reddit users absolutely don't care a bit about this, or the site, or really anything. And that's why she can't afford to piss off the moderators, who are the people who do care.

What's hilarious is that the reddit administration seems unable to see that most people not caring is precisely what makes the moderators caring so dangerous: they're wielding my caring by proxy, because they hold the keys to content.

[–]yurisses 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're truly sorry for what you've done, do an AMA so you can answer the hard questions. Like what you have to say about shadowbanning people who so far as mention your lawsuit.

[–]Sikthty 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, thank you for listening.

[–]fritzly 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

Are we just suppose to pm /u/krispykrackers?

[–]krispykrackers 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

I haven't decided yet what the best channel of communication with me will be. PM's are fine for now, but I'm thinking having a designated subreddit would be more organized. Let me know if you have ideas, too. Maybe there's something better I haven't thought of yet.

[–]AshenGaming 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

So on top of the fact that you responded well after the little damage control stunt (responding to numerous other websites before making a statement here), you also haven't really made a proper statement. Why, for instance, did you only talk to us after this issue had been brought up? What do you have to say about the fact that the vocal part of the community that you consider a "minority" being the actual content creators for the site. What, also, do you have to say about the fact the content that this website makes is ours and without your userbase you wouldn't have this content. Many, many issues are here that are still to be resolved that could've been answered when they arose, rather than waiting for the "cooldown" of the community. What do you have to say about moderators being stripped of their ability to set a subreddit private even though you say that this is not a place for censorship?

Reddit is going down a very dark road, and without the userbase creating content that fits the "criteria" that Reddit deems suitable, I fear it may just disappear for good.

[–]zerogeesus 140ポイント141ポイント  (16子コメント)

Several Questions:

Can you respond to the change.org petition which is (as of this moment) currently at 170K~ signers and growing?

Will you step down as most redditors currently see you as the problem, not the solution?

How do you plan to gain back the community's trust?

[–]felipeds 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

RemindMe! 10 days "Come see how this never got a response"

[–]_lilPoundcake 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

sigh

looks like it's another dramawave for us at SRD

thanks for the popcorn at least. tell /u/kn0thing that they do indeed taste good

[–]g01d3n 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

PAO, RIGHT IN THE KISSER

                                                                   Resign Please

[–]immolated_ 247ポイント248ポイント x4 (64子コメント)

REMINDER EVERYONE: DO NOT BUY GOLD IN THIS THREAD

[–]B1gWh17 223ポイント224ポイント  (37子コメント)

Don't gild! Use AdBlock!

Just say NOPE on July 10th

/r/JustsayNope/

EDIT: Whoops, deleted the 0 when I was adding /r/. Thanks peeps

And it got gilded; ya'll are some odd folks.

[–]Petrarch1603 943ポイント944ポイント  (87子コメント)

ELLEN PAO IT'S TIME TO RESIGN

[–]______Last_Christmas 96ポイント97ポイント  (30子コメント)

it's

[–]patchywetbeard 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, let's not lose our identity during this crisis!

[–]pseudolobster 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Monty Python's Flying Circus

[–]NowThatsAwkward 249ポイント250ポイント  (25子コメント)

Out of idle curiosity, what reaction are you actually hoping for or expecting from this post? For it to become an impromptu petition? Or is the idea that Ellen Pao would read it or be relayed the message and think, 'Huh, you know, I never thought of it that way before.'

Or is it just:

I'll post angrily within a few minutes of an admin announcement in a big font so I get lots of upvoats!

[–]TheCommieDuck 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

User: ELLEN PAO RESIGN

Pao: Well, I guess I have no choice if you're writing in all-caps. Sorry.

[–]jupigare 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate that you guys are acknowledging the problem and at least saying you'll try to fix it. That's certainly better than ignoring the problem or, worse, outright saying one doesn't exist.

I just hope this all isn't a "Please understand" a la Nintendo. Words are better than silence, but they aren't as good as actual tangible change.

[–]bundys 186ポイント187ポイント  (9子コメント)

So you are not resigning?

[–]Prahasaurus 81ポイント82ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cold, dead fingers, etc., etc., etc.

Besides, she must finish what she's started. There are no doubt more Reddit employees struggling with cancer that need to be fired.

[–]ThePatrickSays 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

But remember: most of us aren't interested in this.

[–]wafflecakes 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop it. You were already going to push these new changes onto us, regardless of our actions or not, so please stop patronizing us.

You DON'T have the answers, you DID shit on your community, via news outlets, and you DON'T have the respect, nor ability to post such a self-serving message.

Get out of here. I'm starting to already.

[–]HighJarlSoulblighter 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Marking this to see which promises are fulfilled.

Also: How much free speech are we actually going to have on Reddit? How far down the PC hole will this site go?

[–]PW_IS_obvious 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That awkward moment when the asshole everyone's talking about just shows up at the party.

[–]MarshallMelon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm.

Provide some more info as to why exactly the events of July 2nd even needed to occur in the first place and maybe then we'll take you seriously.

[–]MoonWolf125 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ellen, many will not accept your apology. That should be understood from the start. This isn't some random company, this is a home to millions of people. We come here to relax, for entertainment, for support.

I can understand some of the reasoning behind banning some subreddits, but what's the point when they just get remade? What's the point when people know better for themselves to just stay out of certain subreddits? We're not children that need protecting. Some people have strong opinions about certain matters. Let them come here and find other people that share those same opinions.

When you fired Victoria, you gave no real reasoning. No real logical notice or reason to any of us, the users. Imagine Victoria as our Secretary for all the AMA's she hosted. She was the face for all of us, the proof, the truth.

I'll put this into a straight forward business comparison. Reddit is a product, you are trying to sell that product. Right now, you're not doing too hot of a job. People will not want to buy or come here any more with what you are doing. Eventually you will just become a random url, a random company.

There are multiple petitions for your resignation, you have two options. Either have some more reform; what you posted is a baby step to fix everything that's happened, or leave. I can tell you know, that if you don't have a major overhaul, or do anything to upset Reddit. There will be some major issues on your hands.

You've already had a few major media outlets entertain the issues at hand. The Media is a very powerful tool, be careful about how to approach it. It can be your downfall, or your salvation.

In my honest opinion though. You're already treading very deep water with millions of sharks.

You may be CEO, but this is our home!

[–]pie_pig3 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

We got some progress people, don't shame them to oblivion. They've heard us and want to make amends. Let's make this worthwhile

[–]SingularTier 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey Ellen,

Although I disagree with the direction reddit HQ is taking with the website, I understand that monetizing a platform such as reddit can be a daunting task. To that effect, I have some questions that I hope you will take some time to address. These represent some of the more pressing issues for me as a user.

1) Can we have a clear, objective, and enforceable definition of harassment? For example, some subs have been told that publicizing PR contacts to organize boycotts and campaigns is harassment and will get the sub banned - while others continue to do so unabated. I know /u/kn0thing touched on this subject recently, but I would like you to elaborate.

2) Why was the person who was combative and hyper-critical of Rev. Jackson shadowbanned (/u/huhaskldasdpo)? I understand he was rude and disrespectful and I would have cared less if he was banned from /r/IAMA, but could you shed some light on the reasoning for the site-wide ban?

3) What are some of the plans that reddit HQ has for monetizing the web site? Will advertisements and sponsored content be labelled as such?

4) Could you share some of your beliefs and principles that you plan on using to guide the site's future?

I believe that communication is key to reddit (as we know it) surviving its transition in to a profitable website. While I am distraught over how long it took for a site-wide announcement to come out (forcing many users to get statements from NYT/Buzzfeed/etc.), I can relate not wanting to approach a topic before people have had a chance to calm down.

The unfortunate side-effect of this is that it breeds wild speculation. Silence reinforces tinfoil. For example, every time a user post gets caught in auto-mod, someone screams censorship. The admins took no time to address the community outside of the mods of large subreddits. All we, as normal users, heard came from hearsay and cropped image leaks. The failure to understand that a large vocal subset of users are upset of Victoria's firing is a huge misstep in regaining the community's trust.

[–]jdalex 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how you say we've "lost" trust in you, implying that we trusted you at some point. Given your history, I don't think redditors had much trust in you in the first place.

[–]PavementOnWheels 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fine, whatever. Cover your ass after the storm passes. This doesn't seem all that apologetic to me.

My biggest question is this: why have so many valid Reddit posts that speak out against you and other staff members been removed as of late? Seems far too much like censorship for my taste. I think the community has grown more accustomed to a more censored atmosphere, but if something like this had happened even a few months ago the uproar it would've caused would've been on par with the current fiasco.

[–]Shoebox_ovaries 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next time before you fuck us, take us out to dinner first.

[–]EquationTAKEN 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Talk is cheap. You've said most of this before, and no changes have been implemented.

[–]UnholyDemigod 13ポイント14ポイント  (33子コメント)

(please note: my status as a mod has zero bearing on my comment. This is from me, and me alone.)

Ellen - /u/ekjp - I have defended you (and the entire admin staff) for a long time. When people made comments about how you were turning reddit into a SJW haven, I told them to shut the fuck up. When the FPH people made you out to be a nazi, I went through threads and did my best to tell these people how they were wrong, and you were actually doing good by reddit. But with your recent comments to the media, you have made it very hard to continue to defend you. For example, you say it's only the vocal minority who cares about this. This and other things you have said lead me to believe one of two things: you either do not understand the reddit userbase, or you do not care. If the former is true, do you plan to rectify this? If the latter is true, and you don't care about this site, why did you take the job?

[–]Bidda26 212ポイント213ポイント  (33子コメント)

Where the fuck is Victoria?

[–]beernerd 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

I spoke to her this morning. She's at home and seems to be in high spirits.

[–]PMMeYourDeadUnicorns 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be to if I was a legit commodity in the PR world, Victoria is going to bank off all this.

[–]Mutt1223 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So she's drunk? Good for her.

[–]mudclog 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking forward to the improvements in the coming months! And if not, I'm looking forward to the implosion!

[–]Potss 121ポイント122ポイント  (8子コメント)

Too little too late, you've shown your true colors.

[–]wachet 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's shown her colours a few times already. Now she just doesn't give a shit and is going to listen to feedback less and less.

[–]dangerdark 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

Weird. There seems to be a lot of angry people in here for such a small vocal minority.

[–]ArtisticProgrammer 136ポイント137ポイント  (8子コメント)

The users have no confidence in you. You should resign immediately, for the good of the company.

[–]WaitForItTheMongols 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey guys, remember to please not downvote Ellen's posts. She's just responding to questions. Even if you don't like an answer, a downvote solves nothing. (Hell, she may even be able to alter vote counts...) We wanted transparency and admin communication. When she's communicating, give her a chance. Don't silence that which you have requested.

[–]Helpmefindsomething 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this is a first step to transparancy... so thats good I suppose..

Currently, im very excited to see what the next reason is going to be for the Voat servers to die...

[–]duckacubed 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admitting is the first step.

[–]pornjesus 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good thing to apologize and acknowledge you fucked up. Now don't be like that episode of South Park and keep fucking up and keep apologizing. It only works once, okay?

[–]thecavernrocks 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't seem to be actually apologising for what people are angry about.

Either you are deflecting or you don't even know what's going on with your company at a very fundamental level. I don't know which is worse.

[–]XenTech 44ポイント45ポイント  (11子コメント)

Can u/krispykrackers start by explaining why Victoria was let go? While you're at it, care to elaborate on why some subs get banned but subs like SRS continue to exist despite doxxing, brigading, and violating other site rules?

[–]zeug666 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Employers are rarely, if ever, allowed to discuss employment issues.

[–]delawaregal 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the damage is done. There's little you can do to prevent users from looking for a new platform at this point...