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[–]Lardzor 1150ポイント1151ポイント  (110子コメント)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the philosopher as false, and by rulers as useful. - Seneca

[–]SambalRahmani 123ポイント124ポイント  (36子コメント)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the philosopher as false, and by rulers as useful. - Seneca

I love this quote, but I can't find where Seneca actually wrote it, can you help?

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_STERNUM 115ポイント116ポイント  (19子コメント)

As quoted in What Great Men Think About Religion (1945) by Ira D. Cardiff, p. 342. No original source for this has been found in the works of Seneca, or published translations

Found in this wiki

[–]arkbg1 66ポイント67ポイント  (18子コメント)

So technically shouldn't the quote be attributed to Cardiff until proof has been found?

[–]tomuchcheese 97ポイント98ポイント  (12子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/OPcAtAa.jpg

[–]unique_pseudonym 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Misattributed, discussion on this quotation leads one to this actual quotation:

"The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful.---Edward Gibbon, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. I, ch. II

This is Gibbon's, it reflects his reading of ancient sources but would never have been put in this manner by a Latin author.

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    [–]robbyking 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    "Inherit the earth, just stay meek."

    [–]Greyzer 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The meek do inherit the earth, but they tend to inherit very small plots, about six feet by three.

    • Robert A. Heinlein

    [–]medstoodent345 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are many, many religious philosophers though

    [–]yazid87 6ポイント7ポイント  (29子コメント)

    In a similar vein;

    'Religion is the opium of the people' - Karl Marx

    [–]Prunestand 54ポイント55ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Actually, the full quote reads as: "The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

    Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

    [–]WendyLRogers3 37ポイント38ポイント  (9子コメント)

    'Opium is the opium of the people' - William S. Burroughs

    'Opium is a big piece of the bottom line' - Big Pharma

    [–]MenacingGreenGnome 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

    "Opium, cocaine, marijuana, meth, ecstasy, I got it all. What do you need?" - CIA

    [–]LTPeterMitchell 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

    "Nicotine, valium, vicodin, marijuana, ecstasy and alcohol. C-c-c-c-c-co CAINE!!" - Queens of the Stone Age

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      [–]aperfectmentlegen2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

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          [–]KrasnyRed5 498ポイント499ポイント  (87子コメント)

          In the cases of the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution. Religion did not keep the poor from murdering the rich.

          [–]Lucif3 269ポイント270ポイント  (45子コメント)

          Well the bolchevik were atheist, and the French well were starving to death plus the French revolution was made by the rich the bourgeoisie , marra danton , robespierre all of them were or lawyer or doctor.

          [–]KrasnyRed5 119ポイント120ポイント  (28子コメント)

          The Bolsheviks were atheist largely because Marx viewed the Russian Orthodox Church as being integral in subjugating the serfs to the will of the nobility. A very similar idea to the first, second, and third estates that existed in France before the French Revolution.

          [–]Postius 38ポイント39ポイント  (19子コメント)

          Now wealth is the big decider. Back then in Europe titles were equally or even more important. The whole merchant class struggle etc. The fact you were rich didnt automaticly imply you had political influence or a lot of land and titles to your name. So even being rich and succesfull, you still werent part of the ruling class or anything.

          [–]KrasnyRed5 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

          I would say titles of nobility were more important than wealth at that time. Most societies had little upward movement. If you were born a peasant then you would almost always be a peasant. If you were born a into the nobility you had some ability to influence your life. If you didn't inherit the lands, there was always the military or you could join the church.

          [–]Time_for_Stories 35ポイント36ポイント  (12子コメント)

          I feel like all these sorts of assertions needs some /r/AskHistorians mod to come and delete everything unsourced

          [–]rastadude21 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

          As someone who's played Assassin's Creed, I can verify that I heard about some of these things.

          [–]insanityplea 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Another truck driver told me he loved playing those games. He looked me straight in the eye and said in complete sincerity, that he never would have learned that George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were part of an assassin's guild if not for them. I proceeded to hang up the fuel nozzle and drive away, completely dumbfounded.

          [–]-onionknight- 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Well.. The Freemasons weren't exactly an assassins guild. I've never played the games but I would assume they tied them in there.

          [–]insanityplea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I can't claim much knowledge of the free masons, the time period, or this particular game in the series. The look he gave me though, it was like the game was this man's bible.

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            [–]joans34 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            That's the problem of making a historical fiction nowadays, if it becomes popular enough it will cease to be fiction and be taken as a fact.

            The writers greatly underestimate historical knowledge of the common folk in US.

            [–]insanityplea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Today in class we are going to watch a thrilling documentary about the civil war era, Abraham Lincoln: vampire hunter!

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              [–]wmil 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If AC taught me anything, it's that historians are Templars and should be stabbed mercilessly.

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                [–]KapiTod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                True about titles being more important that wealth. There have been plenty of poverty stricken nobles throughout history, by which I mean their lands and incomes weren't enough to keep their estates afloat.

                In Britain these sorts of occurrences eventually led to many merchant families marrying into old blood. It increased their social standing and gave the other family a cash boost.

                [–]PerNihilAdNihil 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                titles were titles to land which was the basis of all wealth during the feudal era. this is the whole point. the bourgeois era was the era of capitalism which was to replace feudalism.

                [–]RandomFlotsam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                In England the landed gentry responded to the end of feudalism by kicking the peasants off their land.

                Under the feudal system, peasants had some rights too - in exchange for being forced to live on the land and their firstborn being forced to live on the land in perpetuity as well as giving 2/3 of their harvest to the Lord, they had the RIGHT to stay on the land, and in hard times to get enough food to eat from the Lord's larders, and be assured "protection" from neighboring thugs.

                Of course the Knights were the thugs hired by the local Lord to keep the peasantry in line, and to go raiding nearby estates and rob their peasants.

                So it was codified gangs.

                So think of it as a protection racket, where the peasants could get welfare in certain circumstances, and always had a place to live.

                Now comes the end of feudalism, and the English lords kick the peasants off their land. "I don't care where you go, but you can't stay here". It was fortuitous that the industrial revolution was just barely starting at this time, because the "factories" in the cities needed lots of laborers. (We wouldn't call them factories today, they'd be sweatshops)

                So capitalism "freed" the peasantry, but introduced a whole lot of insecurity for the poor.

                [–]johnvandyke2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That is a gross oversimplification of the feudal era. Titles and land were not the determinant of wealth. Commerce existed back then and there were those who were both poor and rich serving at the pleasure of a lord.

                The feudal lords taxed their subjects and provided them with military protection, like all governments really. There were structural differences but it's a gross oversimplification to imagine that the economy somehow ceased to exist during that time period or something.

                [–]juone 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good thing this is fixed in modern days :/

                [–]deuteros 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Do you mean Lenin?

                Karl Marx was an atheist but he was also German so I'd be surprised if he wrote much of anything about the Russian Orthodox Church.

                [–]jheohdgs 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                The Russian Orthodox Church continues to be a shitty institution to this day.

                By the way, you know Marx was a German Londoner right?

                [–]KrasnyRed5 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                This whole thread needs to be kicked over to r/askhistorians. I am pushing up against the limits of what I know, and I don't have the time for id depth research. I know Marx was German, but he was influential on Lenin. He also wrote the Communist Manifesto which laid the groundwork for the Soviet Union and communist governments around the world.

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                  [–]thebla5t 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Well, I the French Revolution was started by the third estate (the poor) with the aid of a small minority of the second and first (IIRC) Estates. But, it was the higher Estates that drafted the rights of man

                  [–]Lucif3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Well I disagree like I said in the comments below the poor were just a way for the bourgeoisie (already in its way to power) to take power. The French revolution was inevitable by the time of Louis 16. The bad situation and the weakness of the monarch only eased the process.

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                    [–]bjt23 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I mean that's middle class rich, not 1% rich. Middle class people don't have any more influence over the world than the poor even today. Wasn't there something in 1984 (in Goldstein's book) about revolutions needing the middle classes to lead them because the lower classes can't be bothered otherwise?

                    [–]Lucif3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It was fight between 2" social class " (if not casts) for power, the poor were just used . The bourgeoisie during Louis 14 were giving powerful position which was something unimaginable at that time. So they gain on power and wealth and they wanted more. The French revolution was inevitable, the weakness of Louis 16 was just a catalyser.

                    [–]carol_and_pepe 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Yea. Fate in bread is simply not gonna do it.

                    [–]PerNihilAdNihil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    i wouldn't say they were 'rich' bourgeoisie - definitely bourgeois though. compared to the sans culottes maybe.

                    [–]dev1lius 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    While this is true, a large majority of higher ups in the catholic church were taken down with the nobles. see this:

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianisation_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

                    [–]Lucif3 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yes but it's was a fight against the church not Christianity. They want to suppress the power of the church over the political state. They killed the priest that refused (prêtre réfractaires). While communism suppressed completely religion.
                    TU, Dr French revolution = >laïcité Communism =>atheism

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                      [–]4_out_of_5_people 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      The French Revolution was put into motion by doctors, lawyers and philosophers. Some of them were part of the aristocracy. It was way more complicated than saying the poor sons-culotte murdered the rich nobility.

                      [–]PerNihilAdNihil 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      well there were different phases through which the french, like all revolutions, had to pass.

                      the sans culottes phase was towards the end.

                      but yes, kyou're definitely right- people don't seem to realize or remember that there were many so called "nobles" who supported change - not necessarily revolution, but they sought to use the poors to pressurize the king for change and the poors saw their chance with teh 'cahirs' and the national assembly, to finally have their say since that body had not convened for over 100 years and was only supposed to raise taxes...

                      [–]bellefin 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      The "sans culottes" phase? The "without underpants" stage? What the heck was that?

                      [–]DecayingPopcorn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Basically, the "Culotte" was a kind of white leggins that rich people had, the "sans culotte" were the people who couldn't afford it. It isn't the underpant as we know it.

                      [–]cece69 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They had no pants, so "les sans culote" culote mean underpants nowadays but then it meant pants

                      [–]Dziedotdzimu 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Basically bourgeois class that was unhappy with its aristocratic limits initiated the revolution to break the ceiling imposed on them and made the poor believe they'd benefit as well. If you look at Marxist historical material dialectics, then it appears to be the capitalist revolution of France. I'd say more religion is what keeps the powerless from killing the powerful. The whole premise behind Les Miserables is that the French Revolution wasn't a revolution for the poor and left them equally with out wealth or status. Victor Hugo was a smart man and said "There is a point where the infamous and the unfortunate get mixed into one fatal word. The Miserables." -1862

                      Edit: Also then referred to "Class, Status, Party" by Max Weber, 1920 for multi-polar, intersectional inequalities produced by society and identity politics.

                      [–]YourPassportNumber 36ポイント37ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      During the French Revolution they actively rejected the Church though.

                      [–]GreenBlueAqua 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      In fact they created the first "Cult of Reason" churches to make the transition from religion to secularism easier on the devout.

                      [–]KrasnyRed5 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      I would suspect they rejected the Catholic church for the same reason the Bolsheviks rejected the Orthodox church. The feeling that the church was helping to subjugate the third estate in favor of the nobility.

                      [–]PerNihilAdNihil 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      the peasantry did not reject the church though, this is why the reaction was able to come to power because the peasants of the countryside resented the changes

                      [–]tomdarch 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      In the leadup to the French Revolution, the Catholic church was very involved in politics (ie corrupt). In one famous writing all of French society is divided into three "estates": the nobility as one, the church as the second, and everyone else as the third, indicating the exceptional power the Catholic church had in the nation.

                      Many major churches were vandalized and a major aim of the revolution was to push back or eliminate the political power of the church in France. (Of course, money equals power, so conveniently, there was a lot of seizing of assets from the church...)

                      [–]folklift_drivah 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We didn't have bumper stickers back then!

                      [–]VikingHair 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The French rebuilt many churches to museums and atheist places during the revolution as well.

                      [–]cptblackbeard1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      That's Why it's a quote from Napoleon. He understood the power of institutions very well.

                      [–]Prunestand 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Well, the Bolsheviks were largely atheists because religion was seen as a method to create classes, which of course was not allowed in the Communist Utopia.

                      [–]PasMas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Usually people who rebel against oppression rebel against religion which is at the service of oppression.

                      [–]Dank-Sinatra 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Those french sure know how to throw a revolution

                      [–]PerNihilAdNihil 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      during an encore performance in 1871 the french bourgeoisie needed the assistance of the prussian 'hun' to put down the uprising

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                        [–]bullet50000 222ポイント223ポイント  (56子コメント)

                        That's possibly the most patronizing bumper sticker I have found. The poor for being stupid, and the rich for being evil

                        [–]Old_Army90 131ポイント132ポイント  (24子コメント)

                        It's the atheist version of "In case of rapture this car will have no driver."

                        "How can I make myself feel superior, imply everyone else is a pleb, and be smug about it at the same time?"

                        [–]RainyDayMatt 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        Well said.

                        Also, relevant: https://xkcd.com/774/

                        [–]DMPDrugs 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Most every xkcd does the same for the author.

                        [–]Hotshot2k4 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Then you can trust this xkcd to be speaking from experience!

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                            [–]MrRagston 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            .... I honestly thing reddit has an issue with reading waaaay to deep into what people intend to mean with their messages. Yea, that might be the underlying theme, but I don't think most people put this stuff on their car and then go "Hm, yup, I can already feel me being a better person than other people".

                            Some people just want to socialize and this is one of the ways to do it. Some people just want to advertise themselves because they think they are worth advertising.

                            Reddit has got to stop doing the sitting in a spinny-chair behind a computer therapist thing.

                            Edit: Kinda just thought about it, but it could easily seem like you're doing the exact same thing you're saying they're doing; acting like you have the absolute answer and posting it on the internet so you can watch as people upvote and agree with you.

                            [–]SleepingSheeperson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            In my punk days I patched some jeans with a patch that I'd printed "In case of rapture, these pants will be without occupant."

                            I figure whether or not I was taken up in the rapture, it would be true.

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                              [–]penceyprep 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The quote by itself doesn't say rich are evil

                              [–]snarpy 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              It doesn't say that at all. Saying that there is a social force that keeps a given class down doesn't necessarily say that said class is "stupid".

                              [–]Detaineee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              You have high standards for pithy bumper stickers.

                              [–]rreeeeeee 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              That's possibly the most patronizing bumper sticker I have found.

                              Maybe, but historically speaking, it's accurate.

                              [–]telmyn 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              Sure, it's an oversimplification, but so is this; the poor don't have to be stupid for not killing the rich, nor do the rich have to evil for being rich.

                              But, going along with that, there is actually evidence that Christianity was used as a tool for social control by the nobility in medieval times. If you look at the churches inside palaces and manor houses in England, for instance, you'll see very militant themes- war, weapons, etc. The churches of the common people have more pastoral themes. So from the decor, at least, it looks like the common people were being taught a more peaceful version of Christianity, while the nobles were being taught a more violent one.

                              [–]mr4ffe 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              implying that religion isn't being used for control till this day

                              [–]telmyn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It certainly helps for church and state to be separated. There's an obvious conflict of interest when the state controls the church, as it did (does?) in England.

                              We still have a state church, but its power is considerably lessened as of late. I do however disapprove of the fact that we have state-funded Church of England schools in every catchment area. I personally won't send my kids to one, but it kind of irks me that they exist at all. They won't be going away though any time soon.

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                                  [–]fkthisusernameshit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Well, the poor are stupid. Maybe not in terms of capacity for intelligence, but in terms of gullibility? Yes, they are.

                                  The rich, while not evil, are smart.

                                  Lets not be PC about this. Most of human society has either been based on strength or treachery. If you can't kill someone else with sheer physical strength, then you tell them that bad omens will befall them if they kill you.

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                                    [–]jrgolden42 378ポイント379ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                    Almost cut myself on that edge

                                    [–]D_ville_sucks 80ポイント81ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                    Between this and the Bernie Sanders ELI5 /r/circlejerk must be having a field day

                                    [–]TheHandyman1 45ポイント46ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    We're always having a field day over there.

                                    [–]gravity_sandwich 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    It's 102 degrees and everyone is sweaty from throwing balls at each other in the summer heat. I remember field day always sucking.

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                                        [–]illegal_deagle 67ポイント68ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                        I've never seen a more convincing argument for the decline in quality at this site than a fucking potato photo of a shitty bumper sticker on the front page.

                                        [–]Mr_Ected 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        I've never seen a more convincing argument for the decline in quality at this site

                                        People always say shit like this, but I've been coming here for 5 years now and there were basically just as many shitposts then as there are now. Remember, reddit is what popularized rage comics.

                                        [–]mickeyboicky 50ポイント51ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        Reddit front page.

                                        DAE religion dumb?

                                        Never would've guessed it.

                                        [–]YourBoySilver 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        quality content on the front page of the internet ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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                                            [–]regular_feller 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I'm going to make a bot that says this exact phrase in any thread discussing religion so some unoriginal asshole doesn't have to.

                                            [–]lecherous_hump 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            HAHA EDGY RIGHT GUYS BECAUSE HE SAID SOMETHING BAD ABOUT RELIGION RIGHT GUYS

                                            [–]The_Bedtime_Boy 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            I see the kids are off for the summer.

                                            [–]Garviel_Loken95 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            Reddit's like this all year round

                                            Why did someone give me gold, my comment isn't insightful or useful at all

                                            [–]cutdownthere 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            1 point and gold...so this is how it starts ...

                                            [–]not_charles_grodin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Get off my lawn!

                                            [–]LordofFanta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            /u/The_Bedtime_Boy can't tell, he's only here during the summer.

                                            [–]Chunkycaptain_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Reddit works in mysterious ways.

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                                                [–]MorRochben 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                why do you think rich people ahve gates in front of their houses? it's just in case

                                                [–]twoworldsin1 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                No, what keeps the poor from murdering the rich is the placating fantasy that they, too, might someday be rich.

                                                [–]RemovablePants 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Poor person here. Can confirm.

                                                [–]northbud 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                This is exactly how religion has been used for centuries. The principles are sound, but the books have been written and rewritten to put the fear of God into the population. What better way to control those who hold more power than yourself.

                                                [–]deanreevesii 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                What better way to keep the miserable slave workers from killing themselves than to convince them that not only will they be well rewarded after they die, but they will be rewarded beyond measure for all of their toil while alive.

                                                Sadly religion still has people convinced of this.

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                                                  [–]joellama23 72ポイント73ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  /r/shitpost

                                                  [–]thedem 158ポイント159ポイント  (47子コメント)

                                                  /r/im14andthisisdeep

                                                  [–]juloxx 35ポイント36ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                  This subreddit always gets linked when there is a thread with some subtle anti-authoritarian message....

                                                  So I guess I am asking, can you be anti-authoritarian and not 14?

                                                  [–]xjayroox 142ポイント143ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  Not if it fits on a bumper sticker

                                                  [–]ReasonablyBadass 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Is a bumper sticker so different from posting quotes on facebook etc.?

                                                  [–]Old_Army90 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yes.

                                                  Bumper stickers say "I'm actually willing to put this on something I paid a lot of money for and potentially ruin the chance of selling it. Notice me."

                                                  [–]guinness_blaine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  If you're just posting some anti-authoritarian or anti-religion quote with no comment other than "so true" or "this!," they're pretty damn stupid too. Offer some original insight/commentary.

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                                                    [–]ReeferEyed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    /r/anarchism

                                                    [–]shanedoth 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                    Absolutely you can. But the justifications will be nuanced and complex, because you'd be stumbling into philosophical discussions of how to measure or define the greater good, or the purpose of different types of institutions (which will vary from institution to institution).

                                                    The end result is that such beliefs will require long essays, not short bumper stickers. It's not the beliefs that are juvenile, but the act of condensing them onto a bumper sticker.

                                                    [–]SuperArff 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Yes, but this post is bullshit. Also it doesn't belong in /r/funny.

                                                    [–]MarkNUUTTTT 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Hell yeah it belongs here. If it's not at the front page, what will be? Something that makes me laugh? Can't have that bullshit here.

                                                    [–]WilliamMelvinHicks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This subreddit always gets linked when there is a thread with some sophomoric anti-authoritarian message....

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                                                        [–]PasMas 32ポイント33ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                        "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5)

                                                        [–]roguetk422 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                        "And masters, treat your slaves the same way. Do not threaten them, for their master and yours is in heaven, and with him there is no favoritism." (Ephesians 6:9)

                                                        Easy to make scripture look bad when you completely take it out of context.

                                                        [–]badmeinberger 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        Um. Unless the next line reads "just kidding, you shouldn't own slaves at all," the context doesn't do much to redeem it.

                                                        [–]Jackhooks21 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        It's almost like slavery was acceptable at one point in history

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                                                          [–]PasMas 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Right! "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21) I was out of context because I forgot that the master shouldn't completely beat the crap out of the slave because you shouldn't damage your property. Thanks for the correction!

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                                                              [–]xjayroox 120ポイント121ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                              /r/atheism is leaking again

                                                              [–]Influenz-A 17ポイント18ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                              Die Religion ist das Opium des Volkes.

                                                              [–]HiddenBehindMask 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              You realise that this was said by Napoleon Bonaparte, right?

                                                              [–]PerNihilAdNihil 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              yes, and?

                                                              [–]roguetk422 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              He made oppression look easy, no religion required.

                                                              [–]JohnFriedly91 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              That's a quote from Napoleon Bonaparte.

                                                              Source: Napoleon Bonaparte

                                                              [–]dinozz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Somebody should tell ISIS, apparently they didn't get the memo

                                                              [–]egalroc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Murder is such a harsh word. I prefer the word conquer over murder and to the victor goes the spoils. Theft is such a harsh word...

                                                              [–]K1ng_N3ptune 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I grew up in a rough neighborhood, and the only reason I didn't kill a couple people was I believe in heaven and hell. I don't want to go to hell and since then I have changed my ways. So yes for me that quote is true

                                                              [–]Cleyre 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              well, and the police...

                                                              their pay isn't usually affected by religion

                                                              [–]Blitz_Dat_Anus 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              /r/shitpost

                                                              [–]nman68 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              /r/circlejerk

                                                              [–]anoelr1963 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                              Remember poor people, you will be rewarded in heaven when you die, so chill.

                                                              As Jesus once said, "It is easier for a camel to get into an eye of a needle, than for a rich person to get to heaven"

                                                              Jesus started the first "class warfare".

                                                              [–]PerNihilAdNihil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              theres no pie in the sky when you die

                                                              [–]Skatinbrad 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              Nothing like shit-talking religion in /r/funny. Great job guys, let's pack it up and do it again tomorrow.

                                                              /s

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                                                                [–]slogand 18ポイント19ポイント  (154子コメント)

                                                                I don't see the humor in this, this is literally true.

                                                                [–]Ozwaldo 180ポイント181ポイント  (119子コメント)

                                                                It's not. Morality is what keeps people from murdering one another.

                                                                [–]SellinMayonaise 108ポイント109ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                                                Prison is what keeps me from murdering people.

                                                                [–]Ozwaldo 130ポイント131ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                that and you're a huge pussy

                                                                [–]SellinMayonaise 59ポイント60ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                YOU DONT KNOW ME BRO. COME AT ME

                                                                [–]Ozwaldo 40ポイント41ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                I WILL END YOU

                                                                [–]iKaine 19ポイント20ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

                                                                [–]kel007 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Will always remember the gorilla warfare.

                                                                [–]TheHandyman1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Dank

                                                                [–]ShadowNoteP 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                What in Davy Jones’ locker did ye just bark at me, ye scurvy bilgerat? I’ll have ye know I be the meanest cutthroat on the seven seas, and I’ve led numerous raids on fishing villages, and slayed over 300 wenches. I be trained in hit-and-run pillaging and be the deadliest with a pistol of all the captains on the high seas. Ye be nothing to me but another source o’ swag. I’ll have yer guts for garters and keel haul ye like never been done before, hear me true. You think ye can hide behind your newfangled computing device? Think twice on that, scallywag. As we parley I be contacting my secret network o’ pirates across the sea and yer port is being tracked right now so ye better prepare for the typhoon, weevil. The kind o’ monsoon that’ll wipe ye off the map. You’re sharkbait, fool. I can sail anywhere, in any waters, and can kill ye in o’er seven hundred ways, and that be just with me hook and fist. Not only do I be top o’ the line with a cutlass, but I have an entire pirate fleet at my beck and call and I’ll damned sure use it all to wipe yer arse off o’ the world, ye dog. If only ye had had the foresight to know what devilish wrath your jibe was about to incur, ye might have belayed the comment. But ye couldn’t, ye didn’t, and now ye’ll pay the ultimate toll, you buffoon. I’ll shit fury all over ye and ye’ll drown in the depths o’ it. You’re fish food now.

                                                                [–]unkycornfat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                This one always gets me... But what was the comment he was replying to? I may never know...

                                                                [–]Pandastratton 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                So much made.. all that was missing was caps lock

                                                                [–]Thing124ok[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Nah, he's going for the more, "speak this normally to them as if you don't give a fuck" style of rage, not just "FUCK YOU" style, that's real primitive.

                                                                [–]jyz002 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Heh heh gorilla warfare

                                                                [–]lexbuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Funny you're getting downvoted. Must be a lot of people who just joined the internet this past weekend.

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                                                                      [–]Melicalol 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Prison Rape is what keeps me from murdering people.

                                                                      [–]OrezRekirts 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      JUST DO IT

                                                                      DONT LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS

                                                                      [–]looklistencreate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Louis CK agrees with this.

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                                                                        [–]pixl_graphix 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Morality is subjective and differs between societal groups. Empathy for the people around you, is in general, what keeps you from murdering people. That is also why it is much easier to commit violent acts against people that are different from you.

                                                                        [–]slogand 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        The bumper sticker is a metaphor, chuck. It's speaking that religion keeps poor people from revolting, and while it's not the only thing, it is one of the things.

                                                                        [–]Jaytoosmall 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        But without The Bible it is impossible for there to be MORALITY!

                                                                        /s

                                                                        [–]Lardzor -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                        I agree with you mostly, but killing people is not always immoral if it's for the greater good.

                                                                        [–]Brofose 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Taking the wrong message out of Hot Fuzz.

                                                                        [–]lordoftherings911 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Every war ever can be basically summed up as people fighting over whose greater good is better.

                                                                        [–]RobinsEggTea 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Do you know how many great atrocities against humanity have been committed and supported by people who honestly and earnestly were acting on behalf of the greater good?

                                                                        [–]Ozwaldo 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        cool

                                                                        [–]YourShadowDani 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        My Greater Good is better than your Greater Good! Thus The Crusades Commenced

                                                                        [–]Badass_moose 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Thanks Raskolnikov

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                                                                            [–]Northerner6 34ポイント35ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                            Yeah because we all know about the exploding crime rates of atheist poor people these days

                                                                            [–]ImperiumRome 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            Holy shit, as a poor atheist I never know there is nothing to stop me from murdering people. Not morality, not fear of jail or death penalty, nothing ! Fellow poor atheists, what are we waiting for ? Viva Revolución !!!

                                                                            [–]PerNihilAdNihil 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            if you murder the right people, they'll give you a medal, call you a 'hero' and maybe even give you a free education and cheap housing.

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                                                                                [–]perc10 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                /r/shitbumpersticker

                                                                                [–]orkushun 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                Actually that's what the law does. all religion does is give false hope and reasons to do stuff you wouldn't do with common sense.

                                                                                [–]Kiwi150 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                Just curious, how is it false hope? Is there proof that it's false hope?

                                                                                Pretty sure you can just say hope and be done with it.

                                                                                [–]bubby963 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                You see this is reddit. You don't need evidence to back up your claims as long as they're anti-religion. Say that the world is 6,000 years old and you'll be asked for evidence (and rightly so) but say that religion is "false" and use "magic sky fairy" as you're evidence (despite that being such a poor philosophical argument) and suddenly 10,000 upvotes. Remember, the children here are as uneducated as they like to pretend religious people are, they just don't like to admit it so use the only power they have (a.k.a. pressing buttons to hide things that go against their opinion).

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                                                                                  [–]Hilarious_Haplogroup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  This is one of the many insightful quotes from Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon, like modern politicians, was completely cynical in regards to religion...signing the Concordat in 1801, only later to imprison Pope Pious VII when he became a nuisance.

                                                                                  [–]Aegean 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Wrong. The poor don't murder the rich because the poor are too lazy.

                                                                                  [–]ddrober2003 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  After reading the posts here, I'm starting to see the humor in the bumper sticker. Not because of the bumper sticker's quote per say, but people's responses. The religious get mad because they think it implies that religion is just a tool for evil by rich people. Atheists get angry because they see it as saying atheist poor are violent. Everyone gets offended so....haha, sorta funny...I guess. /shrug

                                                                                  [–]TahaI 6ポイント7ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                                                  Consider the following:

                                                                                  Religon is actually a useful tool for control. Both good and bad. It keeps people in line and helps with morals and shit cause you dont haveto explain yourself. "Mommy why cant i punch timmy for being a twat?", "Cause god will be angry". Thing is if you mistreat people enough the tool becomes ineffective. Sure i believe peace is awesome, but if you start starving your nation and more and more people live below the poverty line, you either kill them, let them die, or you have a rebellion to deal with. From that point, thats the first sign that your empires dooomed. Even if you crush a rebellion with force, you will just have more. 1 bad leader during 1 rebellion is all it takes to ruin an empire. This is why propoganda is important. If the masses are convinced the rebellion is foolish, pointless or just full of horrible people, then its easier to control. One things for sure though, religon is a tool for keeping people from rebelling, but that does not make it a bad thing. If you are just mad that someones rich thats silly. Its when you have land and resources you should be sharing but are hoarding despite other people nearby needing it, you are setting yourself up for a bad time. Even if not in your lifetime, you could sew the seeds of disaster for your legacy.

                                                                                  But thats just where my thoughts went.

                                                                                  Tldr: yup, you can only keep people in control so much though with religon

                                                                                  [–]bustergonad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Religion is our attempt to communicate with the weather.

                                                                                  [–]PJM1990 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Was it not Jesus who kicked the shit out of the moneylender's in the temple?

                                                                                  If anything, Christianity encourages the poor to rise up.

                                                                                  [–]SlowTyperr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Ironic how the rich murder the poor, indirectly.

                                                                                  [–]Chamrox 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  Isn't that the role politicians play as well?

                                                                                  [–]Hoburame 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  "Divide and rule" They do that by putting fear in people from a young age, with wrongly understood scriptures. Each and everyone is responsible for letting themselves be misled by such lies telling them what to be or not be and not constantly questioning everything. People in the churches themselves do not have a single idea of what the scriptures are talking about and keep perpetuating such lies to please their egocentricity.

                                                                                  [–]trojanGen2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  You can't make it out in the picture but I'm pretty sure this is a quote from Napolean Bonaparte.

                                                                                  [–]Telstra-is-a-joke 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  should be morality is what keeps the poor from killing the rich.

                                                                                  if this quote was true atheists are without morality and that is obviously wrong.

                                                                                  My dad is brainwashed by religious faith

                                                                                  He belives that dinosaurs and snakes and every living creature used to be herbivore until the fall(adam sinning eating apple)

                                                                                  h thinks genesis is all true to the word and not to be interpreted any other way then literally even when I show hime genesis has some borrowed storys from the sumerians(noahs ark) hes logic is that sumerians are retelling noahs ark but with errors and then god told the jews the truth.

                                                                                  He also thinks homosexuals should be illegal however that works LOL

                                                                                  [–]He_who_humps 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  Welfare is what really keeps the poor from murdering the rich. Don't ever forget this rich people.

                                                                                  [–]Feldheld 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  Oh, I thought the law keeps you from murdering others, or the strength of the victim, or the fear of revenge.

                                                                                  Also, are there really no religious people in jail?

                                                                                  This is the typical leftard brainfart circlejerk on reddit.

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