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[–]desmunda1 931ポイント932ポイント  (147子コメント)

So anyway why did you go on to give detailed statements to thirdparty newsfeeds first, before speaking to us? The place with the tagline 'the frontpage of the internet'? The people you slighted in the first place? Hell even buzzfeed got info before this statement from you...

Edit: Ellen responded to me, but I anticipate she will be heavily downvoted so here's the reply

"It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now."

[–]Llim 182ポイント183ポイント  (20子コメント)

Publicity. Trying to do immediate damage control for the media

EDIT: To everyone who's just seeing this thread now, make sure you expand child comments (or go to her profile) because Ellen is responding to some comments, she's just being heavily downvoted

[–]-impostura- 56ポイント57ポイント  (8子コメント)

And it did work, partially. Many 3rd part sites wrote articles that portrayed redditors as the evil and Ellen Pao/admins as the victimized admins.

[–]PainMatrix 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really? Everything that I saw was more sympathetic to the redditors, but then again I get all of my news from reddit.

[–]Vesploogie 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which makes me think this announcement is mostly just baseless pandering to a user base she doesn't care about.

[–]Phrostbite 69ポイント70ポイント  (7子コメント)

The buzzfeed one hurt the most.

[–]Butcher_Of_Hope 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They had to post something. I mean so many defaults closed for the day they had to get news and other bits from somewhere.

[–]chirpbirdchirp 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

They went down the list of who was more important to apologize to. News organizations came first, we came last.

[–]wachet 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because she didn't want the media wildfire to spread any faster, and the damage was already done with us.

The mods are the ones that really deserved to be addressed first though.

[–]Quaintrelle914 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because going to a thread immediately just got -1000 votes and lots of, "Ellen Pao is a cunt" replies. No one is under any obligation to engage when that's whats being thrown at them.

[–]ekjp[S,A] 88ポイント89ポイント  (75子コメント)

It was hard to communicate on the site, because my comments were being downvoted. I did comment here and was communicating on a private subreddit. I'm here now.

Edit: missing space

[–]14thCenturyHood 58ポイント59ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why are you all of a sudden regretting things that have been years in the making? This is so far from genuine it's almost laughable.

[–]Leninator 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pretty absurd the way that redditors demand a reply, and then downvote you when you provide one.

I also completely understand why you'd go to a third-party website to announce stuff over the place that was literally comparing you to hitler and calling for physical violence against you.

[–]Whubwhub 12ポイント13ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'll be honest, refreshing and seeing your score drop from -100 to -500 in one go is a pretty big deterrent to actually being seen...

[–]Carinhas 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's hard to communicate on the site when you don't even know how to use it.

[–]stapler8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't downvote her responses, everyone. She won't care about losing her internet points, but others will want to see the messages, which can be hard if they're buried from negative karma.

[–]UnicornFritters 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's really ironic to me how lack of communication is what people are screaming for, yet they downvote you and hide your comments from the masses cause of all this herd mentality. It's a shame, honestly.

[–]usernameJW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You read the news though, right?

I suspect the answer might have something to do with good reporters at major news outlets having their contact information, calling over and over to get a response and giving Reddit a deadline along the lines of "If I don't hear from you before [this time], we'll have to run the story without your input."

[–]BrotherClear 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weren't these things already mentioned in the "Welcome Back" post over at /r/iama?

[–]rfbandit 185ポイント186ポイント  (6子コメント)

Thank you for finally apologizing on here, instead of through media interviews. Should've come to your community first, instead of the press. But you also miss the point. You say a majority of reddit users don't care. But, those of us who create content for the lurkers care. Acting flippant isn't a good way to get us on your side.

[–]54CymruBeats 221ポイント222ポイント  (45子コメント)

Okay.

[–]rephyr 63ポイント64ポイント  (14子コメント)

I don't want what she's selling.

[–]Adderkleet 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then leave. Seriously, I'm not trying to be crass. If you do not like what is happening to reddit, stop visiting reddit. The biggest impact you can have is by lowering the number of unique visitors per day.

[–]Sorabella 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We're sorry you're angry, but also the angry people are an insignificant majority that don't really matter."

[–]UpstateBrah 94ポイント95ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this doesn't sound like an HR memo at all. /s

[–]MaskedxAvenger 238ポイント239ポイント  (20子コメント)

It's absurd how many days it took for this to happen.

[–]TooManyGone 107ポイント108ポイント  (17子コメント)

What, that it took until the next business day?

[–]vorpib 135ポイント136ポイント  (3子コメント)

Considering there were statements to the media over the weekend, yes.

[–]TooManyGone 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps they needed to meet and discuss the problems and direction with their team before being able to issue this statement? Talking to the media, perhaps in response to questions, might not be the same as making promises to your users/customers.

But I didn't know there'd been statements to the media so thanks for pointing that out.

[–]OverlordQ 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it's not a landmark firing (It wasn't), you should really do your succession planning before instead of after you fire somebody, so whatever statement that should have been made should have already been written. It shouldn't have taken extra time.

[–]Ddodds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The level of fuck up sometimes requires people to come in on expected days off to damage control.

[–]Hazzat 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess the admins really like to reddit at work. Not so different from us after all?

[–]GrizzlayBear 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It took you this long to reply, and this is what we get? Some bullshit apology that looks way to similar to what you told the moderators, just barely tweaked to more direct it to the normal users. Waste of time.

[–]stagecraftman 188ポイント189ポイント  (40子コメント)

Why was Victoria fired?

[–]Cereal_Junior 43ポイント44ポイント  (9子コメント)

I believe it's against the law for an employer to disclose that. Correct me if I'm wrong

[–]this_is_balls 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not against the law, but standard business etiquette. Similar to giving an employer 2 weeks notice before quitting.

[–]mudclog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure you're right. Unless the former employee waives that right (by discussing it publicly themself).

[–]kn0thing[A] 63ポイント64ポイント  (18子コメント)

We don’t talk about individual employees out of respect for their privacy.

With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience so that we can focus on helping remarkable people become redditors, not just stop by on a press tour.

The responsibilities of our talent relations team going forward is about integrating celebrities, politicians, and noteworthy people as consistent posters (like Arnold, Snoop, or Bernie Sanders) rather than one off occurrences. Instead of just working with them once a year to promote something via AMA, we want to be a resource to help them to actually join the reddit community (Arnold does this remarkably well).

We're still introducing and sourcing talent for AMAs, just now giving the moderators the autonomy to conduct them themselves.

In the interim, our Director of Outreach, Ashley, and Creative Projects Manager, Michael, have been filling this role (in addition to their other work), but we're looking to hire someone for the role of Talent Relations full-time to take over.

[–]TheCid 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

With our announcement on Friday, we're phasing out our role being in-between interesting people and the reddit audience

I like how you phrase this like it was your decision and not that of the IAMA mods.

[–]WhoAteJohnGalt 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for the honest answer, and people above, please stop downvoting. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you should make it un-readable.

[–]karmaranovermydogma 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know it's minor, but I appreciate how direct the wording of the apology was. No "I'm sorry if you were upset" or "I'm sorry you feel that way" unlike many "political" apologies; rather it was a straight to the point nostra culpa "We screwed up."

Be interesting to see where this goes.

[–]Garethp 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the announcement. I wasn't expecting it to actually come. Quick question: Will those devs be communicating with us at /r/Toolbox?

[–]gitykinz 401ポイント402ポイント  (23子コメント)

I don't really care what you have to say. This is PR bullshit and you don't have a leg to stand on.

[–]LectureModeOff 58ポイント59ポイント  (4子コメント)

This apology is so half-hearted.

[–]SpaceSteak 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So half-hearted that it makes the whole thing look like a publicity stunt.

[–]gitykinz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. Thanks for the legacy search option I guess? Only semi-notable sentence in the post.

[–]therealdarkcirc 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks like the limited minority slowed the gold bar enough.

[–]Brutuss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't care what she had to say why did you open her post, read it, and respond in the comments?

[–]zerogeesus 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Several Questions:

Can you respond to the change.org petition which is (as of this moment) currently at 170K~ signers and growing?

Will you step down as most redditors currently see you as the problem, not the solution?

How do you plan to gain back the community's trust?

[–]sc2tycho 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, but what about u/chooter.

[–]Odin111 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want a response to the change.org petition. Also what is the direction that you want to take reddit too? Transparency please.

[–]swolejusticewarrior 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did you talk to everyone but reddit, we are the community and you ignored us. Its obvious you don't know much about the community here at all. Why don't you keep working on these positive changes but you yourself should make a real effort to become apart of and involved in the wonderful thing called reddit.

[–]dogsrcool_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the apology.

[–]Petrarch1603 362ポイント363ポイント  (27子コメント)

ELLEN PAO IT'S TIME TO RESIGN

[–]wachet 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

She's running this ship into the ground. Guaranteed.

[–]Zangin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm really disappointed that she didn't respond to the petition against her.

[–]Bidda26 126ポイント127ポイント  (9子コメント)

Where the fuck is Victoria?

[–]pornjesus 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a good thing to apologize and acknowledge you fucked up. Now don't be like that episode of South Park and keep fucking up and keep apologizing. It only works once, okay?

[–]ArtisticProgrammer 49ポイント50ポイント  (2子コメント)

The users have no confidence in you. You should resign immediately, for the good of the company.

[–]duckacubed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Admitting is the first step.

[–]ucantsimee 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've been promising mod tools for longer than I care to remember and they are still "coming soon." At this point your word alone means nothing. Actions will be the way to make it up to the community. Not words. Get to work.

[–]JohnBooty 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will you be having somebody fill the role that Victoria Taylor (chooter) filled? She was an important part of the community.

We completely understand if you can't (for legal/ethical reasons) comment directly on the firing of chooter... but clearly her role was vital. What are you doing to fill that gap?

[–]Potss 44ポイント45ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too little too late, you've shown your true colors.

[–]wachet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's shown her colours a few times already. Now she just doesn't give a shit and is going to listen to feedback less and less.

[–]jupigare 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate that you guys are acknowledging the problem and at least dating you'll try to fix it. That's certainly better than ignoring the problem or, worse, outright saying one doesn't exist.

I just hope this all isn't a "Please understand" a la Nintendo. Words are better than silence, but they aren't as good as actual tangible change.

[–]BrewFont 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you'll be stepping down as CEO, right?

[–]B1gWh17 60ポイント61ポイント  (13子コメント)

Don't gild! Use AdBlock!

Just say NOPE on July 10th

/r/JustsayNope/

EDIT: Whoops, deleted the 0 when I was adding /r/. Thanks peeps

[–]spodek 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just say NOPE on July 1

July 10?

[–]danbopes 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

July 1st has passed good sir.

[–]GooseRace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there some initiative for July 10th?

[–]Jbota 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better yet, get off Reddit. Show that in its current state there is 0 demand for the product. Half-assed boycotts yield half-assed results. Boycotts only work if you show that you are willing/able to go without.

[–]PutinKills 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't an apology, and the key things that should have been addressed have not been in this post. More lip service.

[–]Wakers 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We screwed up. Not just on July 2, but also over the past several years

Already trying to deflect criticism away from your own regieme within the opening sentence.

It's not sincere.

Talking to major media outlets before addressing the community on your own social platform demonstrates incompetence.

Not a good start.

[–]calaber24p 73ポイント74ポイント  (15子コメント)

To other admins get rid of Pao if you are really serious

[–]BuffaloSoldier11 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

The masses will not be satisfied until Pao is out.

[–]sonofaitch 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The main issue, clearly, is the divide between Reddit the website and Reddit the business. Finding a balance to please both can obviously be quite difficult, but you'd be surprised to see the positive feedback and ideas the communities will have that could prop up the business side if you actively listen. I hope we can better the site thru this.

Some ideas, of course, are crazy (https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/3cauxn/community_buyout_of_reddit/) but at least some are trying

[–]XenTech 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can u/deimorz start by explaining why Victoria was let go? While you're at it, care to elaborate on why some subs get banned but subs like SRS continue to exist despite doxxing, brigading, and violating other site rules?

[–]SpontaneousLightBulb 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about censorship? Your post is all about placating moderators (which are essentially unpaid employees and do server attention). However there is NOTHING about the overt censorship occurring on Reddit. Posts about Ellen Pao suddenly disappear, Reddit censorship, and other issues that are most certainly NOT harassing anyone end up in shadowbans for users.

Your apology is not accepted.

[–]sparkigniter26 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's hope this actually happens.

[–]scrimaxinc 34ポイント35ポイント  (16子コメント)

Ok.

[–]RsIsNowRuinedScape 8ポイント9ポイント  (15子コメント)

Ok.

[–]lurgar 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ok.

[–]moodswinging 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does this mean, at some point, you'll tell us why Victoria was fired? Because a whole lot of the backlash was down to her being fired with no notice or reason given.

[–]PBnGiraffe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So..... this isn't an apology to the users/community, but to the Moderators? Lol...

[–]mudclog 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking forward to the improvements in the coming months! And if not, I'm looking forward to the implosion!

[–]Hold_my_Dirk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this kinda feels like a "reddit pls" moment from the admins

[–]WoIfra 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this gon' be goooooooood

[–]PhaseIV 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitstorm inc.

[–]Chonky_Fire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't believe you. Resign and fuck off.

[–]wafflecakes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop it. You were already going to push these new changes onto us, regardless of our actions or not, so please stop patronizing us.

You DON'T have the answers, you DID shit on your community, via news outlets, and you DON'T have the respect, nor ability to post such a self-serving message.

Get out of here. I'm starting to already.

[–]cococof2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh boy you sure are afraid

[–]delawaregal 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the damage is done. There's little you can do to prevent users from looking for a new platform at this point...

[–]Brad3000 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, good luck with this.

[–]Thescottishdreamer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 comment per second. GL replying to all of this.

[–]mmss 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Words are easy, actions are hard.

[–]NowThatsAwkward 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are just words, but they are important words for the community to hear. Fixing the mod issues and communication with admins is a definite step in the right direction.

Hopefully this will be the start of a healthier dialogue between admins and mods/users when it comes to functionality and communication issues on Reddit.

[–]Helpmefindsomething 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, this is a first step to transparancy... so thats good I suppose..

Currently, im very excited to see what is the next reason is for the Voat servers to die...

[–]Viper_H 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does this bring back Victoria? Nope.

Pao out.

[–]Cannon0006 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Allow freedom of speech and expression of ideas to return, stop censoring offensive ideas

[–]cloaked_chaos 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

What about Victoria? Why was she let go?

[–]alienith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually don't think its legal for them to disclose that

[–]Technoanthropologist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if this will change anything and if so, how will it effect reddit?

[–]Anon2971 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right. They're just words. The same kind of words you've been saying for years.

It's appreciated that you're now apologizing and try to make amends, but I personally won't be believing it until I start to actually see these changes happen, like an explicit explanation/timeline/development details of what tools are being made, or the moderators themselves saying that communication has improved.

Also, a direct response to the Victoria scandal would be good. You don't need to tell us why /u/chooter got fired, but you could at least say if there's now a new point of contact for mods to go to when it comes to arranging these AMAs rather than leaving them high and dry.

[–]Omnishift 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting to see how this pans out...

[–]ToxicBlood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is gold.

[–]ValueError 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That click on the "save" button must have been hard.

[–]fluffyballer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well its great that you admit to screwing up. Maybe we should all work together to make /r/reddit a better place for everyone.

[–]Samis2001 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope this works out for Reddit. Otherwise it will implode very quickly.

[–]bondagenurse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a person who has dealt with this kind of public backlash, though on a less huge scale, please do not be the person that throws themselves upon the pyre for public humiliation and anger. No need to sacrifice one person for many peoples' mistakes.

[–]demonikki 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This comes a bit late, but better late than never!

[–]Mister_Terpsichore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a step in the right direction. Good to see something tangible coming of all the drama.

[–]liamlight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better late than never..

[–]fritzly 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are we just suppose to pm /u/krispykrackers?

[–]krispykrackers 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I haven't decided yet what the best channel of communication with me will be. PM's are fine for now, but I'm thinking having a designated subreddit would be more organized. Let me know if you have ideas, too. Maybe there's something better I haven't thought of yet.

[–]ThePatrickSays 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But remember: most of us aren't interested in this.

[–]W1ZZ4RD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sooo.... What happened to Victoria?

[–]wolfyr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope no one gilds this.

EDIT: Just 13 minutes aaaaand it's already gilded. wow

[–]valleygoatwork 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We totally believe you.

Just kidding. Congratulations on acknowledging your mistakes. It'll make it easier for you to say the same thing next year when you guys repeat your screw ups.

I'm only still here because I don't really have a choice, there's no where else to go. But when there is, you can guarantee a lot of us are jumping ship. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, yeah not gonna happen.

[–]FappDerpington 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ellen,

I'm no expert and really have no personal stake in any of this, but a comment/explanation, outlining why Victoria was let go, would likely go a long ways towards extinguishing this fire. Doesn't need to be rich in details, but I think this whole "thing" came about as a result of her termination. Answer that question, and much of this will begin to resolve itself.

[–]mcon96 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Zaelot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Just wow. First in the myths section you tell us that you only have 28 employers, then you jot this failure down to your "growth". (Also heard you've fired near 30 employees in the last 9 months.) And you are right. Your words are very hard to believe. How about showing some serious action by willfully stepping down?

[–]shiftpgup 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't really address reddit.com's treatment of moderators AND self service advertisers. This is just lip service to "make things easier".

Take 5 minutes to go look at comments /r/selfserve and /r/modclub before posting PR lip service .

[–]derministar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a user of Reddit only, I don't have much hope for this site or Alien Blue in the future. Under your "leadership", or lack thereof, I see this going the way of MySpace. I liked Reddit for what it was, the front page of the Internet where I could see a little bit of everything. But like most good things they don't seem to last because people start doing it for the money instead of the love of doing something and being a part of something. If you truly care about this site ekjp, you will step down from your position. I'm not saying you have to leave Reddit, but there is an extreme lack of confidence in you and your abilities.

[–]dangerdark 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weird. There seems to be a lot of angry people in here for such a small vocal minority.

[–]lilfoxy16 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did it take so long for you to acknowledge this PR disaster? Not only that, all you did was promise us you'll do more than promise things. I'd love to see some decisive plans, time lines, and more information as to what led to the meltdown the past few days. We want details.

[–]PhillyGreg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This website has been rather embarrassing to use over the past few weeks. I never used to tell people I was on Reddit...now I suggest people avoid it. I few embarrassed for everyone.

[–]SporkV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And why exactly should we believe a word you type?

This entire post is blatant PR bullshit.

Also:

We’re also going to figure out the best way for more administrators, including myself, to talk more often with the whole community

It's not like this is a message board or anything....

[–]cahaseler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hi Ellen,

/r/IAMA mod here. First, thank you for finally making a statement about this on reddit.

Second, can you go into more detail about the direction you see for celebrity participation on Reddit in a post-Victoria age? Alexis has made some comments to us behind the scenes about your ideas to encourage celebrity participation beyond AMAs, but I'd love to have the conversation in a more public space where everyone can participate.