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[Mod Post] The timer (self.AskReddit)

IranianGenius[M] が 投稿 - stickied post

As many of you now know, AskReddit shut down briefly in protest of some on-going issues of mod-admin relations and lack of improvement of moderation tools. While many have been quick to jump on Ellen Pao as the source of the shutdown, it is important to remember that we were protesting issues that have been in discussion for several years.

To see a full explanation of some of the issues at hand, we have created a wiki with more information. In short though, the admins have responded and informed us that they plan to work on many of the things we are asking for. In the spirit of cooperation and hoping to have a positive relationship moving forward, we decided to reopen the subreddit and give them the chance to do as they promised. However, as these are things we have been requesting for several years, we want to make sure that the admins are held to their word this time.

As such, we will keep a reminder in the top corner of the subreddit so that users, mods and admins remain aware of the commitment made by the admins. We genuinely hope that we can go back to the positive working relationship we are sure both sides desire.

You can read more here. Thanks for all your support.

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[–]bunglejerry 1721ポイント1722ポイント  (73子コメント)

I already pressed the timer... don't I get a flair?

[–]Endarys 682ポイント683ポイント  (33子コメント)

You filthy presser.

[–]regular-wolf 372ポイント373ポイント  (19子コメント)

Grey pride!!!

[–]leaderoftheinnercirc 56ポイント57ポイント  (7子コメント)

Aren't you a 59s cheater?

[–]Yog_Kothag 48ポイント49ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hm. ::enters name::

"Yog_Kothag:-1:no-press"

::smile:: Forever pure, forever grey.

[–]metabeing 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is the data source used by http://karmancer.com - bookmarklet/userscript extension to show TheButton flairs anywhere on reddit (among other features). Source: I made it.

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      [–]IranianGenius[S] 345ポイント346ポイント  (14子コメント)

      Maybe if you just wait longer something will happen...

      [–]_vargas_ 365ポイント366ポイント  (6子コメント)

      We've all heard that before...

      [–]10daedalus 101ポイント102ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wow you sound like an admin

      /s

      [–]OneRedSent 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I worked at a place where the developers stopped maintaining the (very buggy) software platform the whole company was using, and promised an entirely new enterprise platform in 6 months. Years passed ... every time we asked for a new estimate, the answer was always "6 months." They hired a new developer who I became friends with, and we used to go out to lunch every day, and worked well together. I told her about the history and said I didn't think the new platform would ever be done. She was so sweet and naive, she assured me it would be done in 6 months. I left the company a while later. 6 months after I quit she called me and apologized, because the new platform was still not done, and they were still telling everyone it would be rolled out in 6 months. sigh

      [–]beep_boop_sleep 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Guys what if the button was keeping back all of this drama. As soon as it was over, everything went downhill

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        [–]v12a12 42ポイント43ポイント  (5子コメント)

        60s represent

        [–]myownsecretaccount 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

        YOU'RE EITHER RED OR YOU'RE GRAY. THERE IS NO IN-BETWEEN. IN-BETWEEN IS FOR COWARDS.

        [–]feelingsofwhite 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

        The Orange Revolution will--- aw who am I fucking kidding. This is the after timer and we all know it. If just a few more people had pressed the button this wouldn't be happening.

        I'm not claiming I'm leaving. But as soon as voat can handle traffic I'm at least checking that place out. The Button was the last great thing Reddit has ever done and from the sounds of it they should've been listening and caring for the mods instead.

        The timer hit the holy zero. Then reddit began to slowly implode

        [–]imadeaname 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Maybe that was the point of the button. Ellen Pao was just biding her time while we were obsessing over pressing and flair, waiting for the after-timer to trigger her master plan. Now, only the Pressiah can stop her.

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          [–]CorvoAttano420 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Here's a flare... a nostril flare: ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )

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            [–]GhostOfBruiser 1097ポイント1098ポイント  (333子コメント)

            Will askreddit be shut down again in the near future?

            [–]IranianGenius[S,M] 2416ポイント2417ポイント  (319子コメント)

            If the admins don't commit to their promises, I will vote to shut down AskReddit. We will be discussing and voting based on what they do.

            If it comes down to it, it will be in approximately three months or six months.

            [–]Phytor 1372ポイント1373ポイント  (72子コメント)

            Definitely good to see the mod team standing by what they believe in.

            [–]PM_for_bad_advice 910ポイント911ポイント  (66子コメント)

            And taking a reasonable stance while keeping us all informed.

            [–]IranianGenius[S] 704ポイント705ポイント  (52子コメント)

            We're doing our best. There are millions of users, so we have loads of ideas coming at us both in modmail and in /r/ideasforaskreddit. Thanks a lot for being supportive.

            [–]stupidsunited 157ポイント158ポイント  (46子コメント)

            I stand by this solution, good on you guys for thinking of it. To all the people who were so quick to jump on you guys' cases for "folding too soon", this is a way to show some seriousness. Recent events won't be forgotten, and this will help to make sure of that.

            [–]IranianGenius[S] 252ポイント253ポイント  (45子コメント)

            It's definitely tense here. There are people angry at us for shutting down at all, and then there are people who are angry at us for opening back up.

            At any rate, people are going to be angry no matter what. We're trying to improve the user experience, and we're trying to ensure the admins' promises will be kept.

            [–]stupidsunited 67ポイント68ポイント  (17子コメント)

            I appreciate that. You guys are under fire from just about every direction, I wouldn't want to be in your (the mod teams) shoes.

            People also remain angry at the admins when they released their statements though. And I mean, yeah we should be upset at their lack of effort into the site. But I keep seeing people get mad at how the blackout ended: "wow the modteam definitely knows what they're doing, shouldn't have listened to empty promises, etc etc" but what nobody can tell me is.... What would we actually expect? Like, even if the strike lasted longer what else do we want? They offered some quick fixes (which might not be reliable/actually useful at all, but still SOMETHING they put together in >20 hours) and they did what little else they could do- promise they'd work harder to fix mod tools and whatnot.

            They might have a shitty track record, yeah. But I've yet to see anyone who can offer what else EXACTLY they actually wanted from a longer strike that would've helped any.

            [–]ambiguousallegiance 53ポイント54ポイント  (6子コメント)

            I've yet to see anyone who can offer what else EXACTLY they actually wanted from a longer strike

            Drama?

            [–]hillbillyesq 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

            There are a lot of people, myself included, that would like to see some sort of backing away from the commercialization of reddit content. I think a lot of us are particularly worried about a pattern of recent steps that seem to be designed to stifle potentially objectionable content from communities in order to better cater to advertisements posing as content.

            For anyone willing to think these issues through there is a lot more involved than "fire Chairman Pao," "bring back /u/chooter" or "drama." This is about more than any particular ideology or message - the entire global medium that is reddit is at stake.

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              [–]pixelSHREDDER 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Essentially what the mods want are an improved set of tools, a timetable and accounting of resources devoted to those tools, and a written procedural change that guarantees that any staff changes that could potentially affect day-to-day operations, is transparently presented to the mods.

              [–]ButterflyAttack 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

              And, I think, a line of communication that is reliable and prompt.

              [–]stupidsunited 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I know the gist of what the mods want, what I'm saying is moreso the angry users who are angry at the mods for "caving in" after less than 24 hours of being set to private. When these people call bullshit on the mods for "not holding a proper strike" because it was short, is who and when I'm posing this question to. Many users wanted a longer strike because they wanted not just change, but drama.

              Holding a longer strike while not exactly knowing what else was being fought for (as the admins did give statements to mods, admitteded to their shortcomings, offered short term solutions, and some details on the steps that were being taken to resolve the problem) would have been silly. The strike will continue- if needed. We will wait out this timer, and continue our fight if we need to. But for now, Mom and Dad promised to stop spending so much time at the office and work more towards showing a little love to our big sibling Mods. Let's just hold enough distrust and spite to try and meet them halfway.

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                [–]Spicy_Masala 14ポイント15ポイント  (17子コメント)

                By giving them a timer, doesn't that just give them a definitive date as to when to make a move to usurp power from the mods completely? They replaced victoria, and they will easily replace you.

                [–]IranianGenius[S] 54ポイント55ポイント  (13子コメント)

                I don't think they'll easily replace 40 people who all have unique talents and abilities...considering their replacements will need to be paid.

                That would be as good an idea as...I don't know...RedditNotes.

                [–]xiccit 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Doing something and having them be mad at you for it is better Imo then doing nothing and having your tools and mod abilities not be fixed. You are in a position to change the site for the better, and if people want to be mad at you because they can't see a site for a few days, they're obviously not worried about the integrity of the site they've come to love, or simply don't understand. You guys are the backbone of this site, and you're not being respected for the work your doing.

                Do what you need to do, be it shut it down if it comes to that.

                [–]Kountrified 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                HaHa. RedditNotes. We all see how far that went! Question for ya..is the "leaked Modmail" from Alexis legit? Seemed very condescending and stand offish to me. BTW, thanks for what you and other MODs do.

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                      [–]FireandLife 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I'm with you too IG. Thank you and everyone else who has been working on fixing this mess.

                      [–]ButterflyAttack 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      No problem. Thanks to you and the mod team for all the hard work, and I hope the admin and management crew come through for you. It's seemed that Reddit as a whole has been moving a little in the wrong direction over the past couple of years, and, as first point of contact with the users, the mods get a lot of shit, deserved or otherwise.

                      I guess it's tricky to keep everything fluffy when a community grows to this sorta size and money and influence become factors.

                      Good luck!

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                            [–]ToTallyNikki 40ポイント41ポイント  (49子コメント)

                            Are you concerned that the corporate side will have a takeover plan prepared by three months?

                            I feel that relenting now was short sighted, as they were caught off guard, and that simply won't happen again.

                            [–]IranianGenius[S] 108ポイント109ポイント  (37子コメント)

                            We wouldn't be able to do anything if they wanted to take us over anyway. If they want to take us over they can go right ahead. I'm sure that project would go about as well as redditnotes.

                            [–]ToTallyNikki 46ポイント47ポイント  (34子コメント)

                            True, but they were not ready to do so. I suspect that they will be having meetings next week where it is made clear that this can never be allowed to happen again. People who don't understand the community concept will give ultimatums, and the folks who do will follow them in order to keep their jobs.

                            I think we had the most power we ever will have right now because they were unprepared. I hope I am wrong, but I believe we have seen reddit's peak, and the corporate aspects will ultimately cause what's left of the community to collapse.

                            [–]ButterflyAttack 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            I can't think where they'd replace the mods, though, without building a big staff team. Which costs money.

                            Although I bet they're costing it out.

                            Hopefully, they'll also be considering the reputational damage such a move would do to Reddit and to their user numbers. But, as you said, they don't appear to understand the 'community' concept. . .

                            [–]abolish_karma 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I bet they're costing it out.

                            You know.. There are mod teams for hire in India, for not-very-many-dollars a month

                            [–]poor_schmuck 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I understand that you are having problems with a user posting illegal images, harassing you via the private message system, calling your third cousin to give you messages and stalking you around Reddit. I am deeply sorry that you might see this as a problem and will surely do everything in my power to help you and make sure you become satisfied as a user of our webpage.

                            Thank you Mr. Mod

                            Now, just to make sure we have attempted all possible solutions to your issue. Have you tried turning it off and then on again?

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                                [–]neatchee 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                I think you hit the nail on the head here.

                                Reddit is a business, and the ability for mods to effectively take the site offline is a threat to their investors. They will not allow that ability to continue to exist. They can't.

                                By giving them 3 to 6 months before further action is taken they are being given 3 to 6 months to make moderators quickly replaceable in an emergency.

                                They will make sure nothing like this can happen again.

                                [–]prillin101 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                A business with 40 employees will definitely never replace the mod team with another 40 people, effectively doubling the size.

                                [–]sushibowl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I think they'll need more than 40. If the admins decide to take over askreddit, other subreddits won't sit quietly and continue their business as usual, I'd bet.

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                                      [–]tacojohn48 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                      They're going to have to take over all the defaults, there's no way investors will keep investing now they are aware of the lack of control.

                                      [–]Metalsand 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      corporate side will have a takeover plan prepared by three months

                                      Hahahahahaa.

                                      Reddit is 100% crowd-sourced. They're welcome to try, but with their current business model it would at best cost too much money to operate, and at worst be an utter disaster.

                                      [–]lampishthing 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      They couldn't afford the man hours it would take to do the moderation. Ironically it would be easier for then to do so if they had created the mod tools they'd promised :)

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                                        [–]Philosopher_King 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        3 to 6 months? I'll take the under on that bet.

                                        Reddit drama seems to be happening on an ever accelerating curve. Better prepare yourself for action in weeks, not months.

                                        [–]Accidental-Genius 34ポイント35ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                        Nice, but can you prevent the admins from just yanking your mod credentials and forcefully taking over the subreddit?

                                        [–]DERPYBASTARD 92ポイント93ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                        Nope, they have full control over their website. They can do whatever they want but it doesn't mean it would be a good decision.

                                        [–]IranianGenius[S] 116ポイント117ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                        If they did that, it would be interesting to watch.

                                        [–]ButterflyAttack 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I can't imagine it happening, though. Possibly with one or two subs, but they just don't have the staff numbers to take over the mods' work, and not all of it can be automated. Though I'm not a mod, could be wrong. But furthermore I think they'd want to avoid the backlash that would occur. People might like to bitch about the mods but I think there's more solidarity there than people think and there would be a very negative reaction.

                                        I betcha they considered doing it, though, especially when IAMA was down.

                                        Hopefully, there are people on the corporate side who realise how important Reddit's reputation is to its continued success. It'd be a shame to see it fail, but it's certainly plausible. Dissatisfaction can cascade through the web, and once a valid, realistic alternative to Reddit exists - maintaining that good relationship and reputation is going to become increasingly important. . .

                                        [–]DERPYBASTARD 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I would be a sad panda.

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                                            [–]KevintheNoodly 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            No but numbers can. There are only a small number of admins and this subreddit has 40 mods. I don't think it's realistic for them to replace them.

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                                              [–]Burial4TetThomYorke 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                              What exactly are the tools that all the mods keep asking for? I haven't heard any specifics but I'd like to know

                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                              The first thing coming is apparently anti-brigading tools. I'm not totally sure myself what this is, as it hasn't been an issue in most of the subreddits I moderate.

                                              There are a lot of features and functions we'd like, such as the ability to edit post titles (for example to correct for misspellings), warn users (instead of banning), and to improve modmail, which honestly is just atrocious.

                                              [–]Ivashkin 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              anti-brigading tools

                                              For smaller subs these are huge. Right now a handful of people with alts can seriously fuck over a small sub in a short period of time. And since the admins never help small subs with this (I spent a year trying to get an admin to reply, let alone help) it can be impossible to stop.

                                              [–]wachet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              My local sub has this problem. A moderator who spoke out against it got doxxed... Very scary when the perpetrators live within a few kms of you.

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                                                [–]Khnagar 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Unless you get the admins to agree to a timeline, with set dates for when the different things will be fixed and implemented* their promise is worthless.

                                                "Planning to work on and fix sometime, in the future", is no plan and an empty promise. So now you just wait around for six months and hope admins deliver something?

                                                *Better toolbox, search working, modmail improved, the issues of shadowbanning, and so on.

                                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Three months actually. See the sidebar and the linked post.

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                                                  [–]TheJackal8[M] 86ポイント87ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  If the admins don't release the mod tools they agreed to release, it's a strong possibility. We don't want to do that, but they agreed to deliver by a certain timeframe and we expect them to either hold to that or keep us updated on delays.

                                                  [–]BaneOfWindmills 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Seems more than reasonable, especially since you don't have many other options. Good luck to you all and I hope it doesn't come to that.

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                                                      [–]Iccutreb 351ポイント352ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                      Oh boy, like the timer on my microwave, making more popcorn!

                                                      [–]Dudwithacake 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                      Gotta stop the timer as close to 1s as you can, right?

                                                      Unless you're making popcorn in something other than a microwave. Then I'd have to ask what you're doing with your life.

                                                      [–]SoupOfTomato 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      I don't understand why microwave popcorn is so popular. Stovetop popcorn with some melted butter is waaaaay better tasting, better for you, the kernels cost less, and doesn't take much longer to make.

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                                                        [–]AFriendlyPeople 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Popcorn tastes good.

                                                        [–]IranianGenius[S] 102ポイント103ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        Now you're cooking!

                                                        [–]Iccutreb 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        This is my second comment reply from you ever.

                                                        DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ESCAPING THAT FOR ME

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                                                          [–]Silberklinge 34ポイント35ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                          I don't see the timer. Can someone point it out to me?

                                                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 42ポイント43ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                          Check the top of the sidebar (bottom of this image).

                                                          If it looks a little different, sorry. I'm not sure how much different (if at all) moderator view is from non-moderator view.

                                                          [–]english-23 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          looks the same to me captain!

                                                          [–]meinsla 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          Ah, I guess it helps if you turn on subreddit styles, but ugh who wants to surf reddit like that?

                                                          [–]qtx 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          :( But it looks so pretty.

                                                          [–]meinsla 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                          It's just better to leave off. Some subreddit styles are just over done. And some aren't compatible with RES night mode (a must have).

                                                          [–]brownboy13 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          Give ours a shot. The guy you replied to (/u/qtx) designed the whole thing and he did a fantastic job. And it's fully night mode compatible, to boot.

                                                          [–]meinsla 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Wow fantastic. Now I know what I was missing. I am a true believer now.

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                                                              [–]DistantWaves 82ポイント83ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              I was hoping something like this would happen so that the admins couldn't just sweep it all under the rug and have us forget in a few months.

                                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 70ポイント71ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              A lot of us moderators were worried about that too. We don't want to feel like we're against the admins, but at the same time we don't want to keep feeling like they're just ignoring us.

                                                              [–]cisxuzuul 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              "Can we get a better mod mail interface?"

                                                              "LOL, nope. Have you seen The Button?"

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                                                                [–]fagit15 42ポイント43ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                So it wasn't my phone that's messing up

                                                                [–]Kiatro 119ポイント120ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                This is a brilliant idea, thanks

                                                                [–]TheJackal8[M] 131ポイント132ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                Credit to /u/ialo00130 who suggested this to us.

                                                                https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeasForAskreddit/comments/3c15cx/a_6_month_count_down_on_the_sidebar_of_the_sub_to/

                                                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 165ポイント166ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Wow! You mean the moderators actually read /r/ideasforaskreddit?

                                                                (So if you have a suggestion, please post it there! We love suggestions!)

                                                                [–]straydog1980 122ポイント123ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                You nearly got me with your sneaky colour change there but I'm onto you.

                                                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 129ポイント130ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Drat! I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for 1980 and their straydog.

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                                                                  [–]Dudwithacake 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I think I've gotten a reply from a mod every post I've put there. Usually it's a very well thought way of saying "no" with reasons to back it up or "we already do this".

                                                                  [–]ialo00130 64ポイント65ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Hey man, thanks for giving me credit! Means a lot.

                                                                  [–]IranianGenius[S] 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Thanks for putting a suggestion in /r/ideasforaskreddit. We love seeing ideas there and have made many changes based on them.

                                                                  [–]allthefoxes 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Can I suggest you mod me, IG?

                                                                  : ^ )

                                                                  Come shitpost with me in #modtalk

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                                                                    [–]pm_me_ur_feetz 46ポイント47ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                    I have a feeling they will use this time to hire/train people to mod the defaults. I don't think 'corporate reddit' likes that mods have power to shut down their business. Probably one of the reasons why Automod features development was a high priority than mod tools. ROI to shareholders in priority #1 now (after the recent funding), and that's what measures the 'success, competence' of the ceo/company, not the amount of goodwill the community has.

                                                                    We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

                                                                    [–]sushibowl 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    They'll have to find volunteers, I'm thinking. Reddit employs like ~100 people at the moment, and askreddit's mod team alone has 40 people on it. They would have to double their workforce or something, that doesn't seem feasible to me.

                                                                    I don't think they can find quality replacement mods very easily, but we'll see what happens if that's the way they decide to go.

                                                                    [–]AlyoshaV 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Employees cost money, though. A lot of money.

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                                                                      [–]_Bored_Now 62ポイント63ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                      I like that you are holding the admins accountable for their promises. Are there any plans of protest if they do not hold their end of the bargain? Is there anything you can do that is less extreme than shutting down the subreddit?

                                                                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 114ポイント115ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                      We might discuss making it restricted so no new posts can be made, but people can still read AskReddit.

                                                                      This would quell all the modmail we got about people who wanted "something to read while pooping."

                                                                      [–]DERPYBASTARD 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      Hey at least they didn't threaten to commit sudoku like in /r/4chan modmail.

                                                                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 93ポイント94ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                      Commit sudoku? Like how? With weapons of math distraction?!

                                                                      [–]skizfrenik_syco 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Well what other weapons would we use? Surely not the sword of integration, nor the fractal bow.

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                                                                        [–]iBleeedorange 75ポイント76ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        Thank you for caring about the shitters.

                                                                        [–]IranianGenius[S] 88ポイント89ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        They're an integral part of the AskReddit experience.

                                                                        [–]TheAbsurdPrince 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Literally the second I got to this part of the thread I sat down to take a shit...

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                                                                            [–]satanichamsters 23ポイント24ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                            How can mods like Karmanaut and IranianGenius effectively moderate when they each moderate over 70+ subreddits?

                                                                            Also - Isnt it worrying that they have so control of so many subreddits in regards to their threatening to close /r/askreddit if their demands for new modtools arent met?

                                                                            [–]xbwtyz 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            They can't. It is absolutely Impossible. When running onoff and gamernews I was approached by many of them and declined them all, some even has the gusto to lash out at me.

                                                                            [–]randoh12 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                            How many of those 70+ subs are actual time consuming subs? I mod at over 100 and I am actively moderating in less than 12 because only a few have the sheer volume, AM parameters, sub content and finally...about 60% are joke or one-off subs that I will never use.

                                                                            I can bet you that the same goes for karmanaut and IranianGenius. Without going through their overview, I bet it is like that.

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                                                                              [–]Nenor 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              How can you give ultimatums to admins? Can't they just ban you and take over / reopen the subreddit?

                                                                              [–]Alliknowisnothing 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              So how are we not your bargaining chips?

                                                                              [–]reggie_007 33ポイント34ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                                              Can someone give me a brief run down of why everyone hates Ellen Pao so much?

                                                                              [–]Mutt1223 119ポイント120ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                                              Apparently she is the source of all pain and suffering in the world.

                                                                              [–]ShrimpFood 175ポイント176ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                              She initiated the great leap forward. She was a prison guard at Auschwitz.

                                                                              One time, my dog was walking on thin ice on the lake, and he fell through. Ellen Pao jumped in and swam over to him. When she got there, she broke his legs and held him under.

                                                                              She set a local orphanage on fire, then promptly set the arriving fire trucks on fire.

                                                                              She's picketed over 300 funerals.

                                                                              She genetically engineered Yersinia pestis and unleashed it upon Europe in the 1300s.

                                                                              She sends Facebook invites for every single Facebook game imaginable.

                                                                              In her spare time, she volunteers at Comcast tech support.

                                                                              She cheats when playing split-screen games.

                                                                              She has steak extremely well-done.

                                                                              When asked for a public statement, she said, "I think Valve is over hyped. They haven't made anything memorable since Half-life 1."

                                                                              Ellen "Shawshank Redemption needs a remake with a Disney channel Cast" Pao has been seen frequenting Voat on multiple occasions. Even she can see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Voat Crunch.

                                                                              She's on record as saying, "I think the new SW Battlefront not having space battles was good design choice."

                                                                              Given the choice between dogs or cats, she chose mosquitoes.

                                                                              [–]SmilesTheJawa 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              I heard she doesn't leave the toilet seat down when she's done.

                                                                              [–]kckeller 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I'm just commenting so if I need an insult for whatever reason in the future, I have a list to choose from...

                                                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 40ポイント41ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                              I swear this subreddit has the best users of any default.

                                                                              [–]ShrimpFood 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              /r/askreddit and /r/science are the only defaults I can stand to visit the comments for. Thanks for moderating!

                                                                              [–]ObsessedWithHobbits 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              /r/askreddit IS mainly about comments though....

                                                                              [–]Zagorath 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              /r/science is, too, but that's mainly because the comments explain why the headline is exaggerated or plain wrong.

                                                                              [–]ZeroSilentz 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              I swear this subreddit has the best /u/IranianGenius of any /r/IranianGenius

                                                                              No but for real, I wasn't even aware that you became a mod here haha, I was so used to seeing you all over the place. When'd that happen, man?

                                                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              About a year ago. I'm trying my best for the sub!

                                                                              [–]MAK911 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Wait, wait, wait. The new SW Battlefront isn't having space battles?!

                                                                              [–]ShrimpFood 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              That appears to be the case. It could be good, but I'm not really holding my breath. EA has sucked any hope out of me for their titles.

                                                                              [–]GreyMatter22 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              This is.. beautiful :')

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                                                                                [–]8BitHedgehog 70ポイント71ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                She's the new CEO, and whenever there's any drama on the site, she gets blamed even if she had nothing to do with it.

                                                                                [–]ShallowBasketcase 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                So she's the anti-GabeN?

                                                                                [–]Scrotchticles 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                Did you not see the shitshow with paid mods and valve? GabeN is definitely the God and scapegoat of his company.

                                                                                [–]Shaggyninja 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                That outrage was fixed in like 24 hrs. Which pretty much means it was fixed before it began in Valve time :p

                                                                                [–]DERPYBASTARD 63ポイント64ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                She's the scapegoat for ignorant users.

                                                                                [–]mattsprofile 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Because you can't stop the circlejerk train.

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                                                                                  [–]pao4life 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  What are the specific improvements you have asked for?

                                                                                  [–]NICKisICE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I respect your maturity and decisiveness on the matter.

                                                                                  Here's to peaceful resolution for the betterment of all Redditkind.

                                                                                  [–]cliffkleven 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I think what you are doing is fair. Not being a mod of a high profile subreddit I can only pretend to imagine how frustrating this is. You have, by this, given them ample notice if your intents. This is a well thought out action plan.

                                                                                  [–]Trosso 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  high 5 to all the mods at /r/askreddit

                                                                                  [–]DrBidoof 248ポイント249ポイント  (26子コメント)

                                                                                  Oh boy, a timer to constantly remind us of the drama. It sure is great Reddit is back to normal

                                                                                  [–]ImNotJesus[M] 321ポイント322ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                  Our aim is accountability and transparency. We tried to make sure it was small and discreet*.

                                                                                  [–]--his_dudeness-- 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                  The time is always discrete. Discreet though...

                                                                                  [–]english-23 61ポイント62ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I like it. It's subtle so it's not impacting reading the page like some crazy css but you know it's always there in the back of your mind. It'd be kinda cool if closer to the time it started counting down.

                                                                                  [–]YourWizardPenPal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  impacting reading the page like some crazy css

                                                                                  Sounds like you just got a fun idea.

                                                                                  [–]noobit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  discreet* I'm guessing, unless you actually meant it has a discrete 'section' or such

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                                                                                    [–]straydog1980 32ポイント33ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    The events are coming closer and closer together. Next there will be a double event and then a triple. The math does not lie.

                                                                                    RESET THE CLOCK.

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                                                                                      [–]Neumann347 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      I don't understand this animosity towards the admins. Sure they have acted just like a corporation would - which does seem to undermine the whole "Reddit is about communities" thing. However, they are still a corporation and as much as they seem friendly, their interests are very different than yours.

                                                                                      As much as a timer is effective when paying for software, it is a very hostile action. Reddit.com Inc. can, and will, call in their lawyers and ensure the mods know that there is no legal binding agreement and that if mods don't like the direction of the codebase, the mods can suck it. Reddit survived unidan, it will survive your loss.

                                                                                      However, the source code to reddit is open. Do the mods not know anyone who knows python well enough to be able to add the features requested? If Reddit rejected the code, then you would be able to mount a community campaign that would be much more damaging (brand-wise) and end up with more actual changes, instead of more promises. That would be a much better use than a timer.

                                                                                      [–]Dudwithacake 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      I know this may be shitty idea of the day, but what would a no mod + rules day/week do in ways of proving that the admins need you? I know that /r/wow (or something) did it but on a much larger scale, I'm sure the results would be different.

                                                                                      [–]TheJackal8 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      We've considered that but it really doesn't accomplish much, plus it causes a lot of problems for everyone involved. When that sub (league of legends?) did it, they also made the mistake of announcing they weren't going to moderate, which caused the sub to be on their best behavior. Obviously that's a good thing, but it also fails to show how much work the mods do.

                                                                                      That said, we're not trying to prove how much work we do; we're trying to get much needed tools. We don't need to prove we're needed; we need to prove we will call it quits if needs go unattended to.

                                                                                      [–]MrTheNoodles 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                      Yeah, it was /r/leagueoflegends.

                                                                                      A large part of the community lurked in the new section downvoting the obscene amount of porn, memes, gore, etc. type of posts. However, since people knew it was a no moderation week, a lot of people decided to troll by posting those type of things. So it sort of balances out in the end.

                                                                                      The quality of posts DID decrease though, and they did run into problems with the admins on the very first day.

                                                                                      Just providing some more context for the no moderation week at /r/leagueoflegends.

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                                                                                        [–]JustPotato 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        This is a good idea.
                                                                                        And it's not just an idea, it seems like it will work.
                                                                                        You Mods haven't been dealt the fairest cards, but you're doing what you can to keep a good hand, it's impressive.

                                                                                        I'm not sure if that was a good card reference, but I was feeling it since I played some card games today

                                                                                        [–]gritodedolores1946 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        The protest didn't even faze her! She said it her fucking self.

                                                                                        [–]osdosdfho 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        What happens should the admins not meet your deadline, will you simply shut down until they deliver on their promise?

                                                                                        At what point would you be willing to step down and hand moderation duties off to people who are fine with the way things are and the tools we already have?

                                                                                        Are the average users expected to constantly be caught up in your hostage negotiations with the admins until you're all satisfied?

                                                                                        When is enough enough?

                                                                                        [–]FableForge 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Too late for anyone to read this, but I'm impressed by how professional the mod team behaves in sharp contrast to the Reddit admins.

                                                                                        [–]Daveswaffles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I'm not sure I agree with this course of action. I'm not really a fan of playing the ultimatum game.

                                                                                        [–]iBleeedorange 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                        /u/IranianGenius what if the admins don't meet the deadlines but have reasons behind it, is there a line for reasons where it would still mean askreddit would stay open even if they didn't meet the deadlines?

                                                                                        [–]IranianGenius[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                        The admins have given us their word. If by September 23, we do not see the changes they promised (and they have not given us good communication as to why this has been happening), we will send them a written warning that we are planning on closing. By September 30, we will evaluate what the admins have told us, and based on that, decide what the appropriate actions are. If we need to shut down again, for a longer period of time, we will shut down again. The changes we expect to see are better anti-brigading tools.

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