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[–]ramjeet2 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3日 前 (19子コメント)
it's rarely due to his race
Outside of Asian women looking for a status boost, latinas looking for a 1st world citizenship, and in some rare cases a white woman looking to see about the BBC myth, women hardly chase a guy due to his race alone. Even white girls chasing black guys for the myth chase after the jacked athletic ones, not the Urkel type of guys.
Even then I have had some (as in 2) milfs that do yoga show all kinds of interest in me and offer up some good nights in bed, they were older but not ugly at all. Most women do not do this at all, they want high value guys. Low SMV guys of any race will struggle unless there are some exceptions.
In Texas, I would say that my race usually worked in my favor, I was that happy medium. Girls who were not into black guys or did not want to get with one due to the taboo associated with it often got with me and were okay with their friends seeing.
All I was trying to get at it is that Indian men are NOT at the bottom of this so called SMV chart and I wish people would accept that.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 3日 前 (15子コメント)
Outside of Asian women looking for a status boost
I've seen this with more than a few ethnicities, but it's most commonly attributed to Asian women. I think it's partly because Asian women are perceived to be high SMV, so their actions are more visible to the average male.
In Texas, I would say that my race usually worked in my favor, I was that happy medium.
You sure about that? You sure it wasn't some combination of charm, dominance, or status that did it? I'm not white myself, but I've heard women I've been with say they're attracted to members of my race, but it's mostly just them hamstering. They were attracted to me for unrelated reasons, but they rationalized my race as being a factor.
My experience is the opposite. Going to repeat myself here, it's far, far from insurmountable. If we were using numbers on a 1-10 SMV scale, race accounts for maybe a 0.5 slide in either direction. It's not helpful to ignore that little reality. Better to acknowledge it and work around it.
[+]ramjeet2 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 3日 前 (14子コメント)
My experience is the opposite.
That is just your experience then, mines has been different. As far as I have read, you're not an Indian male while I am, my experience on this would matter a lot more than yours with that being the case.
It seems like the only one hamstering here is you. If an Indian guy does well you're simply going to say it is because he is handsome, rich, or has game but if he does poorly you will say it is because he is Indian and women hate Indian men. I don't see any point in continuing this conversation with you, you're hellbent on believing that Indian men are at the bottom of the ladder and you will shove that belief down the throats of everyone here even if contrary evidence presents itself. I find it to be sad but then again, I have more to worry about in life than some guy shitting on a race in some reddit sub.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3日 前 (10子コメント)
If an Indian guy does well you're simply going to say it is because he is handsome, rich, or has game but if he does poorly you will say it is because he is Indian and women hate Indian men.
I don't believe you're reading my posts if that's what you've taken away from it. I'd lay off the charges of hamstering without taking an effort to understand a differing opinion.
If an Indian does well, it's because he has high enough SMV. If he does poorly, it's because his SMV is low. Male SMV is a combination of a dozen things, including status/wealth/game/looks/race. You're arguing a point that I never made.
I have more to worry about in life than some guy shitting on a race in some reddit sub.
It's fairly obvious this is why you're bothering to respond to me, you're offended that I've seemingly insulted your race. Put your emotions away, this isn't the sub for it.
[+]ramjeet2 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 3日 前 (9子コメント)
You went out of your way to bring Asian and Indian men into this discussions saying they have the lowest SMV. I simply offered my experience and said that is not true at all. You then claimed to speak for all Indian men and said that your experiences said it is true, implying that your experience as a male (likely Arab) matter a lot more than mines (while I am Indian myself).
Then you posted okcupid data which other users simply refuted by posting online data of their own, yet you still held on to your belief of how Asian and Indian men are at the bottom of your SMV chart.
No emotions from me, I am simply calling it as I see. You have something against those ethnic groups and are trying to do all it takes to convince to the world that they are at the bottom of the SMV chart of yours even if contrary evidence is presented.
I find it sad and pathetic and I think any guy this hellbent on defaming some ethnic groups must live a very pathetic life. You'll continue to shit on those two groups throughout your time on this sub and there is nothing I can do to change that, but I wanted readers here to know that men of my race are not at the bottom of any racial ladder and that you're just a biased guy who is trying to pass his own opinions off as facts.
[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 3日 前 (7子コメント)
Then you posted okcupid data which other users simply refuted by posting online data of their own
You did no such thing. You linked an unsourced chart with no mention of Indians. I'm not sure how you thought that would be convincing.
You have something against those ethnic groups and are trying to do all it takes to convince to the world that they are at the bottom of the SMV chart of yours even if contrary evidence is presented.
Far from it, I'll mention it for a third time: my closest circle is comprised mostly of the same men I'm discussing. That's why I feel comfortable discussing them. I'm not ignorantly making unsubstantiated claims. I harbour no ill-will towards Indians or Asians, but this is reality as I've seen it.
I find it sad and pathetic and I think any guy this hellbent on defaming some ethnic groups must live a very pathetic life.
Note how you're the one attacking me here, on an internet forum. Your emotional investment is patently obvious, friend.
[–]CQC3 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3日 前* (3子コメント)
Pretty interesting how you're getting attacked for what generally is true (although I do believe this is changing ever so slightly as time progresses).
AS AN INDIAN MALE <--- Credentials established.
I can say for sure that what he says is mostly true. However I'd be ill at ease stating that there is a definite bottom to the race SMV list. I would say that it swaps out frequently depending on locale and particular information.
For instance, I'm a pretty light skinned Indian AND I live in a place with a high population of Spanish people. Consequently, I am assumed to be Spanish. Not only this, but I was born here, I have no accent, and by no will of my own I have run counter to most stereotypes about Indians by way of nature. I have no issues attracting spanish girls, white girls, and Indian girls especially (although I stay away from those, get thrown in a sack one day and just wake up married).
I can say for sure that Indian men have a very high potential to have a very low SMV. However it's never that clear cut. Would you say a westernized Indian man has a lower SMV than a Haitian immigrant that generally sticks to his own community of Haitians? (but they still holla at the white girls anyways).
I've seen some Indian men do horrendously bad, it PAINS me to see it because I know they're just out there making it harder for me and I just want to slap the shit out of them and tell them to put some fucking deodorant on. Those guys are usually the incredibly beta immigrant guys (high concentration of these in the engineering/comp sci majors). They are essentially bottom tier, because they don't understand personal grooming, they do not dress well, they are almost ALWAYS skinny fat to the max (this is due to a certain faithfulness to their culture, which is generally affecting their diet. Indian food == skinny fat fuel, always high fat, high carb, low protein)
Then there is the westernized Indian, and there is three types of those that I can think of. One is more closely resembling the aforementioned FOB because while he is 2nd generation, his parents are not assimilated well and still hold on to prior values (that don't work here for damn sure) with a vice grip. This upbringing will make this male more of a FOB than not. The second is the one with the moderate parents (parents only hang out with other Indians, but are generally successful people in America). This one is likely to keep up with the ritual and aesthetics of his culture when needed, but really doesn't give much thought to it. These people are usually the very extroverted Indians you meet that end up with a huge circle of other similar Indian friends with some other race people thrown in for good measure. This is usually where Indian and Asian social circles overlap because they have similar cultural expectations and upbringings to form a common thread. I generally find these are the kids that are joining frats at big schools that are also full of these kinds of Asians/Indians. However social they may be, most of them are still beta to women.
Lastly, there is the westernized Indian that has rejected his cultural identity or lacked one from having parents that are distant to their own culture for whatever reason and have assimilated best. These are the guys that have it the best SMV wise, NOT because of race, but because of disposition.
In our own standards of perception here at TRP, Asian men and Indian men round out towards the bottom of the SMV ladder IMO because of cultural reasons not because of racial. What Cyralea says is true and 0.5 is a pretty good estimation. More often than not Indian men have an upbringing and cultural disposition (whether they realize it or not) that gives them a great propensity to end up as someone's beta bucks. In other places people might in reality consider this a win if some Indian or Asian guy ended up with a pretty Indian or Asian bride (more and more Indian BB's are picking up white girls as of late as well). However we know that this is likely a woman who has probably rode the CC and was approaching the wall.
Fact of the matter is, the closer either type of Asian person is to their race's cultural customs, the more those customs shape how much game they have in America. The closer they are to that culture, the more typically obedient they are to their parents wishes--this is the opposite of having a strong alpha personality because ultimately you let other inexperienced people make decisions for you in unfamiliar territory. Their parents are out of touch with what is required for their sons masculinity and happiness to prosper in this country and lead him astray with outdated methods of living. They groom you up to be the best BB there is.
There is more, but this is the bulk of my vast generalization. Truthfully there is much more nuance to this topic--at least in the variance of different types of Indians and Asians. However most of the time you'll just see a good amount of them try to compromise and live a double life up where they may maintain appearances and expectations but break rules on the side--usually at college. Then they still more often than not bed down with some other Asian American doing the same thing to give into parental demands. This is undoubtedly true, and you must ask yourself, anybody who treats their life with a resolution to ultimately give in to external demands and expected social custom--are they going to be the strong willed types to give any woman the tingles? The no holds barred, no fucks given types? No.
In America, there is only a small percentage of Asian and Indian men who can make it through years of their parents intentionally or unintentionally guilting, shaming and pressuring them into beta tendencies and social alienation from any non-Indian/Asian people. Because of this, the majority that don't never quite mix in well/fully with Americans or end up with large circles of same race friends who they share similar problems and insecurities with. Collectively this forms a closed group of like minded individuals with probably the same beta tendencies. Therefore the Asian and Indian beta never truly make it out of the comfort zone and eventually just slide right into their expected roles their parents wished for them to have.
Those few who do make it through this beta filter are seen as avoidant of their own culture, or even self hating. However they have completely different expectations, outlook and goals in life than just starting a cute same race family and wasting away day after day, and they know better than to build their homes next to a graveyard. Their SMV is likely to be the highest, but they are the minority of the minority, so they will not affect public perception of their race.
Blacks may have been at the bottom of the SMV ladder, but they have a coolness factor represented through sports, hip hop and Hollywood pushes a cool black stereotype often because Murica used to own slaves and now it's all awkward and shit so we'd better turn it around. Indians and Asians do not have this coolness factor represented in popular media as of yet (though this is slowly changing). I didn't even know who Zayn Malik was (this half pakistani kid from famous boy band 1D) but by virtue of him existing, being attractive, and being famous for something "cool", he has indirectly altered my SMV because I'm told I look similar to him by girls who by no coincidence also find me attractive.
EDIT: I should add since it wasn't clear that Indian and Asian men whining about race when it comes to getting pussy is about the same as a short guy complaining about height. Both can be overcome (hell, race even more than height). By very merit that some men will put so much emphasis on race just shows that the mentality they have fixates on useless shit like that is more of a negative factor than the race itself.
[–]Dragontitz 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2日 前* (0子コメント)
Wow this is 100%. Really should be posted in its own thread for all the whiny Indians.
[–]freethinker34 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2日 前 (1子コメント)
The only Indians with high SMV potential (in general) are the ones that are primarily caucasian (usually from north india). South Indians especially have low SMV. And race plays a huge role in SMV, way more than .5. Its more like 5 points.
I have Indian friends. Do you even realize how poorly a 5' 10" or below average Indian dude does when going out with a bunch of white americans who are all 6'+ jacked and good looking? He might as well be invisible. Life isn't fair, but if you speak the truth people will downvote you for it because they want you to pretend that race doesnt matter.
[–]CQC3 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2日 前* (0子コメント)
I won't deny that, I even thought of it. Having fair skin is an SMV boost even in India from what I know.
However, you're missing the point. The point isn't to say race is inconsequential, that is silly. Being white will ALWAYS be an advantage in our world due to many historical factors. The point is to stop crying about it like a jackass.
True, your South Indian friend probably doesn't stand a chance in that situation, which is a really unusual situation to begin with. It really isn't fair, but most of us are here on this sub because at some point we realized some shit wasn't fair, and it WAS fucked up.
It's true, your friend will probably not get even 1/2 as much pussy as his friends. If you're a jacked, white, 6 foot plus guy, you could be fucking 3-4 new girls a month AT LEAST if your game was okay and you were not totally lazy about approaching, hell I've seen some guys with really good social circle game do way more than that. I'm surprised their dicks didn't fall off.
Then we have poor old south Indian brown man--provided he put in hard work, had tight game and built a decent social circle...he could be fucking 1-2 new girls a month, maybe more if he could leverage a look in his favor. Mind you, these are new girls--not recurring plates. You could probably ask most guys out there if they'd be okay with 1-2 new lays a month, they'd snatch it up in a heart beat. How much is enough?
There's this tendency to weigh in on extremes and say "God damnit if I can't be drowning in pussy then I'm not even going to try and get ANY at all!" Not every man will get to drown in pussy at some point in his life, and not every man who does gets there by the same methods. Some are famous, some are rich, some are just good looking. Just because you're not born with certain advantages doesn't mean you shouldn't work hard to get what you want. If your friend is serious about getting laid, he should start approaching girls on his own, and not do it when he's surrounded by people far more attractive than him in not just one but every aspect, that's just simple tactics.
If he was serious about getting laid, he'd stop trying to compete in games that he is disadvantaged in. If you had a bum ass leg would you gamble on you winning a 1v1 in basketball?
The ridiculously over discussed point of race--not just here, but on this sub, is that race DOES matter, but it won't stop you from getting laid. You might not be getting as much pussy as Chad Thundercock, but most guys, even the white ones aren't getting as much pussy as Chad, that's why they fucking call him Chad Thundercock.
This is more of my opinion than anything, and separate from the rest of the post as well, but: if you're fucking 2 new girls a month and you've got a recurring plate or so, and you're STILL trying to chase more pussy to find some sort of mythical satisfaction...you've got your priorities all fucked. It seems to me a silly way to invest in oneself. I say this because most guys will spend inordinate amounts of time pursuing the extra pussy, most of them who do are not doing enough to invest in themselves.
[+]ramjeet2 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 3日 前* (2子コメント)
but this is reality as I've seen it
Once again, as YOU have seen it. I was unaware of the fact that everything you thought you had experienced was true for everyone and true in general. This must be narcissism at its finest right here, if everyone you believe is somehow the reality I think you need to work on solving major problems in the world rather than wasting away precious minutes trying to convince to everyone that Asian and Indian men are lowest on your list.
I could care less about how many Indian friends you have, you can have 100 for all I care, I spoke my experience which explicitly said that Indian men are not at the bottom of any social ladder of yours.
[–]ModRedSovereign[M] 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3日 前 (1子コメント)
No flame-baiting. Only warning.
[–]ramjeet2 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3日 前 (0子コメント)
Fair enough, I've editted my post, can you put it back up now?
[–]freethinker34 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2日 前 (0子コメント)
Listen bro. Asian and Indian men have the lowest SMV of any race for men. Thats a fact. Just because there are some Indian and Asian men with high SMV does not change this fact. Look at the big picture.
[–]Derbi50 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3日 前 (1子コメント)
Dude you sound butt hurt. Race definitely plays a part in SMV. It's just simple science. Studies show it time and again. It's not a personal dig or an insurmountable barrier, in fact it can even be used as a sort of smv jujitsu (like a ripped Asian guy or an intellectual black guy) but GENERALLY SPEAKING Asians and Indians rate lower on "hotness" tests.
[–]freethinker34 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2日 前 (0子コメント)
WAY lower. Just make some tinder profiles of different ethnicities for proof.
[–]ingridelena -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 1日 前 (0子コメント)
Are you really shocked that TRP is full of ignorant racists? Hopefully you've learned something today about the type of people you've chosen to associate with.
[+]OneRedYear スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 3日 前 (2子コメント)
Shhh. You're ruining the narrative and the circle jerk with your pesky opinions and facts.
[–]redditarcm89 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3日 前 (0子コメント)
This isn't fucking AskReddit; try to keep the dumb shit out. What you just said is no more useful than commenting "Yes, I agree".
[–]ramjeet2 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3日 前 (0子コメント)
Ya, this is pointless. I kinda lost all fate I had in this sub. The sidebar is useful and has good info but these so called vanguards are not all obviously brilliant. I wonder if it is indeed a circlejerk with guys upvoting someone's posts and downvoting another person's post simply because one guy is so called vanguard and the other is just a common poster. The guy obviously had no idea what he was talking about yet he still got upvoted on the comments despite studies being posted contradicting everything he said. This is fucked up, I am done with this sub.
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