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[–]mkopec 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Youre going to be seeing a lot more of this now that the college rates for women is climbing but dropping like stones for men. Get ready to pay your man ladies. Maybe finally this shit will be over once feminism grabs a hold of it and squashes it down because precious, do no wrong flowers, are now paying alimony.

I know of a dude I work with that gets paid alimony. Fucker scored himself a doctor for his first wife.

[–]Appleseed12333 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would be terrible IMHO, having a system that is presented "gender neutral" when really favouring women to pausing that system when it doesn't. When most men realize there is no benefit to marriage (unless SHE is rich), and even then the system changes to ensure no benefit... lol rip all marriages. Actually, i support this.

[–]1nzgs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact that women graduate more means nothing when it comes to the future distribution of wealth. Men dominate STEM fields. Men are more employable. Men are frankly more intelligent and harder working. Colleges could be 100% female and women would still have the same problem of ditching their careers to have children. It will just mean colleges becoming increasingly detached from the working world rather than women becoming more employable than men. Most university courses simply exist to extract money to fund the STEM courses anyway.

We are going to see a lot more men doing apprenticeships and internships which are very highly valued by employers, and even going into self-employment at a young age. That's how western civilisation was built; men going out and doing stuff, not staying in academia until 26 and then feeling entitled to some "marketing" job like a lot of women these days.

[–]formermangina 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know of a dude I work with that gets paid alimony.

Lol. No respect there sorry. You're living off a woman and being dependent like a lady.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 47ポイント48ポイント  (99子コメント)

Thing is, black women are at the very bottom of the race SMV charts, similar to the way Indian/Asian men are for the males. This is backed up by all the data from OKCupid. Both parties get taken to the cleaners by manipulative parties who can take advantage of their desperation.

What's curious is that Asian/Indian men are more than willing to do what it takes to "make it". If they understand what objectively works, there's little stopping them from changing. Women want Alphas, so they learn how to be alpha.

You don't see this with black women. They straight up expect to get all the benefits of high value women, and their only recourse when they don't get what they want is to shame people. Which makes their SMV even lower. Their situation sucks and it's entirely their fault.

Don't have a lot of sympathy when they get played like this.

[–]TimeHoTraveler 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

men are more than willing to do what it takes to "make it".

Full stop

For women to change would take introspection, accountability, determination, and logic based thinking.

Self improvement is for men. Whining about feelings and blaming external factors is for women.

[–]colucci 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do you think black women have such low SMV? I think many of them are attractive.

I dated a black chick ones. It was all dandy until I met her friends. They were so passive aggressive towards me it was unbelievable. It didn't bother me at first but at some point it got too much for me.

Interracial relationships are the weirdest dating experience I think anyone can have. You meet this person you like, you date them, and for some reason you get shit from her friends.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

A combination of things. I'd wager the two that contribute the most are that they gravitate the furthest from femininity and they're not perceived as high status. Black women tend to not to do the submissive/feminine thing well. Black America is a pretty good window into what society will look like once feminism knocks out the pillars underneath it. The women stop acting feminine, so men use them for pumping and dumping without committing.

It has little to do with physical attractiveness. There are women of other ethnicities that commonly get mentioned as being less attractive and they don't have anywhere the same issues.

[–]1nzgs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? I can't think of a demographic that is deemed less attractive than black women, other than maybe Aboriginals.

When you look at black women who are universally deemed attractive, they tend to have a lot of non-black traits, which indicates that there is probably a high degree of masculinity in the traits of most black women and we subconsciously find this unattractive.

[–]ramjeet2 5ポイント6ポイント  (26子コメント)

similar to the way Indian/Asian men are for the males

Indian guy here and I think you're speaking from very limited experience. It might be true that in a place like San Francisco which is flooded with immigrant IT geeks, Indian men have a low SMV, but else where in the USA I have hardly found it to be an issue at all, if anything it works in my favor.

Whether I was growing up in Texas or now going to school in LA, I want to make it clear that Indian men do not have it as bad as you make it sound like. I think you're getting your assumptions from online race whiners and some guys you may know IRL but I speak as an Indian guy myself, it is not an issue at all whatsoever if you are assimilated into western culture and not a nerd.

You will be surprised as to how many women out there will actually want to be with a Kal Penn or Sendhil Ramamurthy type of guy.

This is backed up by all the data from OKCupid.

You've got to be shitting me, really? That's your source?

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8ポイント9ポイント  (23子コメント)

I can't say that I've been everywhere, that much is true. I've got a good sense of how things are in cities like Toronto, L.A. and San Fran, due to family there. Has nothing to do with immigration, these are all America-born/Canadian-born Asians. A larger pool of men means women can be choosier with their top 20%, meaning their race ends up working slightly against them. I can see how with a tinier pool of men, race becomes less relevant to factors like status and game.

Thing is, if a woman is chasing an Indian/Asian dude, it's rarely due to his race and usually because of his status/game/wealth/looks. Race is a tiny part of SMV and easily overcome. It's not helpful to lie and say that it plays no part, however.

[–]freethinker34 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

This just is not true. Race is a gigantic part of SMV. People downplay it, want to avoid it, etc. The truth is Race is even more important than things like height. Its extremely important. If you want proof, make a tinder profile using a 6-7 white male and a 8-9 ethnic male (one that does not look caucasian at all). The white profile will get 10x to 100x more matches despite being shorter, less good looking, and less muscular.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want proof, make a tinder profile using a 6-7 white male and a 8-9 ethnic male

I am an 8-9 ethnic male. Trust me, online game is easy if you have looks, irrespective of race.

[–]ingridelena -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sounds like something someone pasty and/or pink would delude themselves into thinking...

[–]ramjeet2 4ポイント5ポイント  (19子コメント)

it's rarely due to his race

Outside of Asian women looking for a status boost, latinas looking for a 1st world citizenship, and in some rare cases a white woman looking to see about the BBC myth, women hardly chase a guy due to his race alone. Even white girls chasing black guys for the myth chase after the jacked athletic ones, not the Urkel type of guys.

Even then I have had some (as in 2) milfs that do yoga show all kinds of interest in me and offer up some good nights in bed, they were older but not ugly at all. Most women do not do this at all, they want high value guys. Low SMV guys of any race will struggle unless there are some exceptions.

In Texas, I would say that my race usually worked in my favor, I was that happy medium. Girls who were not into black guys or did not want to get with one due to the taboo associated with it often got with me and were okay with their friends seeing.

All I was trying to get at it is that Indian men are NOT at the bottom of this so called SMV chart and I wish people would accept that.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Outside of Asian women looking for a status boost

I've seen this with more than a few ethnicities, but it's most commonly attributed to Asian women. I think it's partly because Asian women are perceived to be high SMV, so their actions are more visible to the average male.

In Texas, I would say that my race usually worked in my favor, I was that happy medium.

You sure about that? You sure it wasn't some combination of charm, dominance, or status that did it? I'm not white myself, but I've heard women I've been with say they're attracted to members of my race, but it's mostly just them hamstering. They were attracted to me for unrelated reasons, but they rationalized my race as being a factor.

All I was trying to get at it is that Indian men are NOT at the bottom of this so called SMV chart and I wish people would accept that.

My experience is the opposite. Going to repeat myself here, it's far, far from insurmountable. If we were using numbers on a 1-10 SMV scale, race accounts for maybe a 0.5 slide in either direction. It's not helpful to ignore that little reality. Better to acknowledge it and work around it.

[–]1nzgs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here in the UK, women have a very low opinion of Indian and Pakistani men. That doesn't mean they are all doomed though, they just have to work extra hard to throw off unattractive elements of their culture.

[–]ramjeet2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here in America, it is not nearly as true. My experience is limited to the USA.

[–]soontobgrad 0ポイント1ポイント  (61子コメント)

similar to the way Indian/Asian men are for the males

I am actually going to go ahead and disagree with that and try to kill that notion. I think a lot of this is just noise from immigrants in those cultures whining about their race holding them back with women. From my own experiences in college and other places, Asian and Indian men are a lot more sought after than other minority groups. A girl can sleep with an Asian or Indian guy and not feel anything taboo about it and being white myself, I have not heard white women say so many bad things about Asian or Indian men.

The westernized ones do just fine and I have witnessed that they can often date more attractive girls than other minority groups can.

Now to be honest, I am not out in California where a lot of the race whiners come from. Maybe in California, Asian and Indian men struggle, but in the rest of the country the assimilated ones do a lot better than other minority groups.

People don't get it, black women are ignored by men due to their behavior and their ethnic appearance, men are just not attracted to women with dark skin. The Asian and Indian men you talk about struggling are likely immigrants that come from culture where sex is downplayed or nerds, men of any race in that situation will struggle.

[–]drallcom3 34ポイント35ポイント  (43子コメント)

men are just not attracted to women with dark skin

The skin color isn't important at all. Black women are simply the least feminine women out there, in appearance and behavior.

[–]jaimewarlock 31ポイント32ポイント  (14子コメント)

Black women in USA hate being feminine, but go to Africa and you will see the opposite.

[–]JovianTrainWreck 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly, skin color was never the problem, it's the culture. It's always been the damn culture.

This applies to all races, but it's more amplified with black women (See: How Black America Has Predicted Our Future). The reason foreign women get so many brownie points is because they come from a culture that doesn't demonize being feminine the way America does. I can't tell you how many times I've road-tripped to my nearest metro to find massive hives of really hot yet alarmingly un-feminine women from the cocky entitled white bitches to the "strong independent" black bitches. Western fucking culture... It's an amazing pallet cleanser to spend even 5 minutes talking to a woman from overseas irregardless of skin color.

Not to sound like I'm disregarding the AWALT rule for foreign women or anything.

[–]drallcom3 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Blacks have their own subculture and it's hard for them to escape it. There are some interesting articles about it. It short they raise themselves to be uneducated, aggressive and ignorant while the rest of the society throws some highschool degrees at them to keep them from rioting too much. The Democrats also like the blacks that way, because it secures votes.

[–]Tom_The_Human 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't it LBJ who said "I'll have them niggers voting Democrat for the next hundred years," or something like that?

[–]Rush-into-the-fray 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually prefer olive, or dark skin. I suspect because I'm so Irish pale. Its hard to find a feminine, black woman but when you do? Damn..They treat you right

[–]asianmasaccount 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

As an Asian American and also someone who plays the game at a decently high level. It's definitely half a half. As in you are partially right and it's on the guy himself and how he is raised and what he does.

The other half is definitely on social perceptions of America though. Like it's a real thing haha.

I'm the only Asian male in my group of 6-7 close male friends. I definitely have to do a bit more and still get a little bit worse results than my white friends.

It can be very context dependent.

[–]soontobgrad -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

still get a little bit worse results than my white friends

no matter what minority group you're, you will always get worse results than us.

exceptions being white looking latinos, mixed race guys, and some indian (bollywood kind) or middle eastern men who might be able to pass for having exotic looks. Even then, white guys will still be at the top but not by that much.

[–]asianmasaccount 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha yea, the "off-white" guys...

What can I say, still gotta get out there and play.

I misunderstood your post. I thought you were arguing "the disadvantage of being Asian American is not real" instead of "the disadvantage of being Asian American is real but no greater than any other minority male."

I agree with the second statement. Again with the exception of the "off-white" guys.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm of neither demographic, but I've seen it first hand. My social circle consists of a lot of Asians, most of them fully Westernized. There is a real race disparity in terms of SMV. This isn't to say that there aren't Asians who do fantastically with women, but there is a divide and denying it isn't helpful. Here are the OKCupid stats I cited earlier.

[–]Dragontitz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would California be different? They have more ethnic people than most places

[–]keepitcasualbrah 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Agreed. Best friend growing up was Indian, turban and all (not anymore.) We're from Los Angeles. Dude has done pretty well in the last few years with white chicks and "westernized" light skinned hispanics one could easily mistake as white.

Dude just fits into the culture well, is funny, and has confidence. Works for him.

[–]soontobgrad -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty much my experience, Asian and Indian men do not really struggle that much unless they are nerds or immigrants. Unfortunately most Asian and Indian men are either one of the two or both.

[–]1cover20 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Black women don't have to do all that to "make it". Affirmative action weighs heaviest in their favor out of all groups of people. Have you ever seen any black woman, no matter how dumb or fat, who can't find a job?

So the comparison isn't appropriate. Black women cannot do what our Asian immigrant men can do, and they don't have to either.

[–]2FatStig 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black women cannot do

They don't have to. Whether or not they could is another question. I'd argue based on recent african immigrants the color of their skin isn't the problem. The culture of victimhood is.

[–]ingridelena -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, affirmative action helps white women more than any other group -- fact. And black women also have the highest rates of college enrollment, higher than asians male or female (the men are ranked 3rd or something pathetic like that lol). Also african immigrants are more highly educated than asian immigrants. Feel free to seethe :)

[–]Special Olympianmakethemsayayy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's Alpha and hilarious and just-desserts.

[–]lilsting 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Most people who are debating in this thread are over thinking. Leave the statistics out of this for a second and use some logic. The core red pill concepts remain true no matter what race you are. If you carry yourself well, groom appropriately, dress with a little style, and have some confidence, your SMV automatically goes up. Most of the results of these bullshit studies come from word of mouth. Women saying what they like and don't like. Ummmm are we forgetting that it's about what women do and not what they say. As a black man I can't tell you the number of times I've heard from a woman that, "I'm not attracted to black guys" only for them to be all over me an hour later.

Why are these studies inaccurate? It's due to the perception of a race based on stereotypes. Allow me to provide insight through an example. When Tiffany the blonde haired chick is asked how she feels about Indian men, she's not thinking of the suave Indian she may have encountered a few months ago. She thinks about the illustration society has painted of Indian men. The same goes for any race. Using Tiffany as an example again. If you ask her if she's attracted to black men, the educated Harvard black man doesn't come to mind. It's the ghetto hood type that pops into her head.

I say all of this to say that the studies are bullshit. If you think your race will lower your SMV go watch simple pickup on YouTube or Tony Solo off The Natural Lifestyles. Sure some women will have a preference when asked, but when approached and swept off their feet, none of that shit matters.

Edit: What I said is only applicable to men. I do believe the studies to be more true when it comes to what type of race men desire in women. I also believe black women are the least desired, but the few good ones really stand out.

[–]freethinker34 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

In online dating, you cant sweep them off your feet. If you are non white in online dating you might as well be invisible, even if you are tall, jacked, and handsome. If you dont believe, make some tinder profiles and test yourself.

[–]lilsting 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I was saying is not applicable to online dating. It was regarding person to person interactions. I had a Tinder, POF, and OK Cupid profile and I did just fine. I'm average looking at best and I'm black.

When women are given time to reason (online dating), and their logical brain kick in, they go after not what they necessarily want, but what society tells them what they should want. That is why I deleted all my online dating profiles although I had good results. Play to your strengths my friend. If online dating is not going well for you and you're sure that you have solid pics and a solid profile, stick to in person interactions. You'll learn so much more, and you won't have to feed into foolishness of it all.

[–]ingridelena -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a black man I can't tell you the number of times I've heard from a woman that, "I'm not attracted to black guys" only for them to be all over me an hour later.

Because they want to sleep with you but they wont marry you or take you home to their mom.

What I said is only applicable to men

Only in your dreams.

but the few good ones really stand out.

And there are far more good ones than their male counterparts.

[–]lilsting 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No we're getting off topic. We're discussing which races women find most and least attractive. Whether or not they take me home to mom is a different discussion. I agree there probably are more quality black women than men.

I have yet to see a man who specially states 's a quality he doesn't like in a woman, and then go after that kind of woman. I've never seen a man state to woman that he doesn't like black girls or white girls etc, and then turn around and go sleep with the woman of that race he was just talking to. Woman will TALK and state their preferences, but turnaround a do exactly what they said they weren't. It's about what they DO not what they say.

[–]kimberwyn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post is not about women's racial preferences. AS for men you should know that they have higher standards for the ones they marry vs the ones they just sleep with. They will sleep with women they don't like or have higher body counts but wouldn't make them the girlfriend just like the women you noted wouldn't make you their boyfriend. And there are plenty of racist men even neo Nazi types that sleep with black women. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist :)

[–]NeoreactionSafe 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is just how things are upside down now.

Women only become powerful because the culture allows it to happen.

As the culture becomes increasingly "degenerate" (in other words men no longer hold a high place in the heirarchy which would nomally put them into positions of authority) the Chaos rules.

Order means men rule.

Chaos means either man or woman can rule.

Equality basically erases the masculine virtues, so everyone must think like women (Machiavellian Chaos) to play the Game and come out on top. (sometimes just for a moment)

Order has the advantage of stability which means families can endure over time.

The Chaos World in which we live has no stability.

[–]1cover20 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

In a true chaos society, women would face huge risks and want to go back to order. Women (only) have been given insurance against their risks, tilting the chaotic playing field consistently in their favor. Men have to find the narrow paths to success.

These men are following such a narrow path, and they are among today's true alphas.

[–]2FatStig 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

In a true chaos society, women would face huge risks and want to go back to order.

The fundamental problem is our instincts are not designed to make us live happy lives. They are designed to make us compete and produce the baddest ass motherfuckers possible. Civilization is overcoming those instincts to our betterment. That's the patriarchy. Men cooperating instead of competing for access to vag. Paradoxically the primary beneficiary is women, and they rage against it because it limits their sexual choice.

[–]abetterarsonist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is such a good observation, and very concisely stated. Man, I wanna tape it to my bedroom wall.

[–]2FatStig 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you read genesis from the bible as an allegory it makes a lot of sense. Men were probably conscious before women gained self awareness. We woke up first. Due to human nature most women will never need to wake up.

[–]1cover20 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

When we wake up and tilt the playing field in our favor, we get Sharia.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The weak always use Chaos to gain power over the strong.

So the default role for women is to Charm men. (manipulation is creating Chaos in your target)

Switching roles allows the male Player to create Chaos in the woman's mental cycles and that's why it works.

Actually all of PUA is about creating Chaos in women so in a sense PUA is a females Machiavellian art. (not a Stoic masculine art)

[–]1cover20 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alpha, because it's winning in business. Isn't that what men are supposed to do, to prove alpha creds in our post-brute-force society?

[–]TheThingsIThink 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

My ex-father in law is a black man. The only way he counts as a man is if you add black in the front of it. He has a half-Phillipino blow by kid, he is the God-Father to his own son be because banged a married chick, and has two sets of daughters by two different women. So six kids by four women.

This guy is a master of dread and frame. Before redpill I just would have said he was a confidence man and and kept his composure. This guy runs a business as a therapist, but the income from his business just goes into his rent, continuing education and traveling to conferences (where he cheats on his wife). His wife pays the mortgage and associated house bills, and even bought him a used truck when he needed a new vehicle.

So, I can't stand this guy. I know my wife and her sister were major cutters i their teens. I mean, from a reproductive standpoint he won! 6 kids. 5 of them have kids, and the 6th is getting married shortly. Piece of shit doesn't love anything though. He is such a loser he won. If his current wife left him he wouldn't be solvent. This motherfucker is so Incompetent I'm sure it made my now ex fail to believe that men are competent at managing their affairs.

Pointless addition on black women-IDGAF But Gabrielle Union is one of the hottest creatures I've seen on this planet. She is 42 and looks better than most girls 20 years younger. Most black women are fat fat fatties. But by god, when they do it right they are the hottest women out there.

[–]TekkomanKingz[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gabrielle Union is an example of simple portion control and moderate gym attendance. But her genetics are very good.

[–]1cover20 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know my wife and her sister were major cutters i their teens.

What is the relevance of this statement in your story?

[–]alpha_buffalo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black and not attracted to Gabrielle Union one bit. Would take Leila Anthony anyday

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hahaha, well once it starts happening to WOMEN, you know they'll be reform.

[–]chabv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

as a black dude these guys -- tyrone type-- have 0 dignity once you allow a woman to run your life your dick should be cut off

[–]p3ndulum 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Yin and Yang principle will never allow for "equality".

Logically, I think, the only way for women to get what men have always got is to act as men have always acted. Now that more and more of them are acting like men, Y&Y is forcing the roles to switch, not equalize.

[–]TekkomanKingz[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that is why we will probably never come together in this country between the genders - Because Men such as the subscribers to this forum will never embrace femininity. Your only option is to go abroad.

[–]MentORPHEUS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for another well-written piece. It's good to see high-profile pushback against the radical Feminist agenda. It will help, but not replace the efforts of average men to fight against the current unjust state of Family Law.

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    [–]Assassin1476 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All is fair in the art of love and war.

    [–]2FatStig 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're all equal now so it's acceptable....

    [–]nwilli100 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Yo what the fuck did I just read? The article is mildly interesting (man gets child support cause bitches be crazy, with a twist) but everything you wrote it shitpost material. Seriously WTF man? This is some middle school level shit.

    [–]ingridelena 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lol it was completely incoherent. I dont think the author even knew what he was talking about.

    [–]TekkomanKingz[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    At 57 upvotes and 100+ comments sparking a greater discussion about the dynamics at play here, perhaps you should re-evaluate your criteria for what is and isn't a good post. Even better, post your own post.

    Just a thought.

    [–]nwilli100 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Like I said the article is good and everything OP wrote is shit. Seriously show me one concrete piece of analysis on the article from OP. Just one, I'll wait.