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Mod PostThe Future of LNM (self.LetsNotMeet)

10thTARDISThe Doctor[M] が 20時間前 * 投稿

Hello, everyone.

A couple of hours ago, Dragon posted a message to say that he was going to shut down LNM for good as a protest against the admins.

I am happy to report that we have talked, and Dragon has stepped down as top mod. I have replaced him, and I will be reappointing all of the mods who were previously part of LNM.

So, to reiterate:

LNM is staying open, I have been appointed as top mod, and we will continue to move in the direction previously stated for the moment.

Edit: Also, I want to say that while I don't agree with his actions today, Dragon was a huge part of LNM-- he created it, and he guided it along for years. And, after he had decided to shut down the subreddit, he reconsidered after hearing from the users that they really didn't want it to be shut down, and passed it on to someone else. And for all of that, I am very grateful. He could have tied it up, but instead he let it go free. We have a bright future ahead of us!

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[–]maximumhelschadenfreude 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 20時間前 (5子コメント)

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[–]exubereftthe shadow beneath the sun 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6時間前* (8子コメント)

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[–]maximumhelschadenfreude 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間前 (4子コメント)

I still wouldn't blame it on "feminazis" though. I would blame it on new users who don't understand that this post isn't for every single creepy encounter you have. As a girl, who currently has a broken wrist from a creepy stranger, I delete these stories where nothing happens a lot. I also, like you, can recognize that a good story can come from a scenario like the one I am in every day. Not a day goes by that I go outside and some creep catcalls/follows/looks at me weird.

Since you CAN'T know who is upvoting them, I just think it's rash to jump that it's extreme feminists. Which do exist, but I honestly believe it is an influx of new users who think any encounter they deem creepy is postworthy. I've seen ignorance of this sub being the go to for anything SLIGHTLY weird with a stranger more than I have seen extreme feminism be the problem. Extreme feminists would likely message and confront us with why their story was deleted/etc. Being a feminist myself, someone that extreme about it would not take their story being removed (which are probably very significant percentage of my removals) not lightly and question/harass the mods' decisions. Just from unfortunately being around people like that constantly. Are there extreme feminists on this sub? yes. Are they a problem? how can you prove that to me. Really, the influx of new users seems to genuinely be the problem and claiming it's either feminist or "feminazis" faults makes it hard for real conversation about how to remove these kinds of things.

I could live post everything that happens to me while I'm out and they'd all be shitty submissions that would get at least one comment of sympathy. These stories tend to be really poorly written, and sound more like someone who does not understand the content doesn't belong vs a very extreme feminist. Not that there are NONE, but I don't think they single handedly keeping these stories on this sub.

FOR INSTANCE, I just removed a story YOU commented on saying "I wish I could downvote this more" which I had no idea existed and was LEAD there by your comment. If you had reported it/etc, that would have been gone way way way sooner. It's a problem these stories are becoming common, but it's also a problem no one is really calling attention to them and I have to actually click and read with no prompting a lot of times to remove a story like that because no one from the community spoke up. Criticizing these stories but doing nothing is just bitching.

but I will say: no, you're wrong on the fact that attractive males are never perceived as creepy. that's just......entirely wrong. you can sense when someone is dangerous to you. some girls may be shallow but please do NOT blanket the entire female gender in such a way. I have used a stun gun on guys who look like models.

[–]Rikvidr -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間前 (3子コメント)

[–]maximumhelschadenfreude 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間前 (2子コメント)

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[–]maximumhelschadenfreude 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間前* (0子コメント)

I got that, I wanted to clarify that I am a feminist and see the behavior of these people as problematic in general for society since they become the face of it, but in a reasonable argument about trying to make the sub better defaulting to blaming this group of people is something I believe is wrong. and you have made casual misogynistic comments without a disclaimer you're talking about a certain group and using the word "women" or "girls" instead. That is why it can be interpreted as sexism.

edit: that was kind of unclear. I know you're not pleased by the actions of specific people who identify as female, but if you refer to "girls/women" doing something, it makes it look sexist when your real problem is the behavior of people who happen to be women/girls, which would appear as sexism, as stated earlier by another mod, not tolerated. I get why you call these behaviors of these people into question but it IS their behaviors that are the problem.

[–]exubereftthe shadow beneath the sun 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間前 (0子コメント)

I agree that there are such stories, and that you are not the only one to bring this up. However, I am opposed to your tone (that there's such a thing as a band of feminazis going around ruining this sub) and also your assumptions such as it would be different if the male was attractive. There are plenty of other subreddits to discuss such beliefs, but this is not one of them and frankly makes for a hostile environment.

I think the issue for you and others who have been expressing the same sentiment is that you maybe fail to understand that those who upvote and comment with "ugh so gross" are aware of the subcontext of the story which the OP of such stories often doesn't state. They understand the feeling of being objectified, of feeling trapped in a situation where someone demands your attention, or the fear that someone will take their interest in you too far. So some readers get that, relate, and therefore upvote and comment in sympathy. Nothing wrong with that.

However, that said, subcontext is not good enough and stories of someone approaching you who may be a genuine creep are not really LNM material, not to mention (unfortunately) such situations are experienced by MANY, a LOT, and LNM is more about the unusual stuff, not the common. We are discussing how to increase the quality of the top stories on LNM, so hang onto your hat--and I'm sure we'll keep everyone apprised of our progress. But I just want to start putting a kibosh on pointing any fingers and labeling groups of people on LNM. There is no conspiracy by women, teenage girls aren't the enemy, and some stories are just scarier to some than to others and that needs to be accepted--no matter what we as mods implement, it will always be true that the top stories will not be appreciated by everyone. However, I do hope you always find plenty of things you do enjoy reading :)

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[–]GrimBrunn 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間前* (0子コメント)

Reddit is currently ran by an interim CEO named Ellen Pao, who over the past few months has seen the site abandon it's stance on free speech, censor subreddits over vague harassment rules, and delete threads and shadowban users posting critically of her. Many users saw these as somewhat justifiable, but others feared for the direction Reddit was heading.

More recently, /u/chooter, a well-loved admin who was pretty much single-handily running the AMA feature of the site and the only remaining contact many mods had to Reddit's administration, was let go without notice or reason. This left the most of the AMA feature of the site broken and subreddit mods having no way to officially organize AMAs or receive official help. The only response Reddit admins seemed to give was refusing to comment, directing mods to a email address which wouldn't reply, and mocking them. This lead to many subreddits, including this one, to temporarily shutdown in protest of the poor communication and attitude of the Reddit admins.

In the aftermath, it's been rumored that /u/chooter was let go because of her resistance to monitizing AMA's. It was also discovered that they also allegedly fired another employee for having cancer. This all combined with increased censorship of these topics on Reddit and shadowbanning of users, which has lead many to seek to leave the site, including I assume Dragon.

Personally I don't think the decision should have been his alone, and am glad he left it to /u/10thTARDIS to keep it alive, but it's definitely also important to recognize that Reddit isn't the same site it was a few years ago. Neither Dragon or any other user should be attacked for wishing to leave.

You can find more info in /r/Blackout2015/ or /r/OutOfTheLoop/.

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[–]Rikvidr -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 6時間前 (1子コメント)

You're wrong. The ENTIRE front page of Reddit was all talking about the AMAgeddon/darkening/blackout, then within a few hours, it was back to happy cat pictures. If you look at /r/blackout2015, it's not because people stopped talking about it. It's because the posts were fucking hidden by the admins. The posts still exist, and some have upwards of 10,000 upvotes. Only to be trumped by cat pictures with 500 upvotes. If that's not fucking censorship, you should get cracking on finding a dictionary.

Further, hundreds of users were shadowbanned for posting against Pao. Subreddits against her were closed. Admin were forcing top default subreddits open despite their "mods = gods" stance of the past, asserting that mods get to mod their subs the way they want. This is all censorship, and it's biased censorship at that. /r/fatpeoplehate was banned for "brigading", that is, leaking out of that subreddit and harassing users elsewhere. There are multiple Feminist subreddits who do this very thing, on a day by day basis. They aren't banned. Their mods and users aren't banned.

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LNM is staying open, I have been appointed as top mod, and we will continue to move in the direction previously stated for the moment.