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[Mod Post] The timer (self.AskReddit)

IranianGenius[M] が 投稿 - stickied post

As many of you now know, AskReddit shut down briefly in protest of some on-going issues of mod-admin relations and lack of improvement of moderation tools. While many have been quick to jump on Ellen Pao as the source of the shutdown, it is important to remember that we were protesting issues that have been in discussion for several years.

To see a full explanation of some of the issues at hand, we have created a wiki with more information. In short though, the admins have responded and informed us that they plan to work on many of the things we are asking for. In the spirit of cooperation and hoping to have a positive relationship moving forward, we decided to reopen the subreddit and give them the chance to do as they promised. However, as these are things we have been requesting for several years, we want to make sure that the admins are held to their word this time.

As such, we will keep a reminder in the top corner of the subreddit so that users, mods and admins remain aware of the commitment made by the admins. We genuinely hope that we can go back to the positive working relationship we are sure both sides desire.

You can read more here. Thanks for all your support.

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[–]GhostOfBruiser 840ポイント841ポイント  (272子コメント)

Will askreddit be shut down again in the near future?

[–]IranianGenius[S,M] 1903ポイント1904ポイント  (259子コメント)

If the admins don't commit to their promises, I will vote to shut down AskReddit. We will be discussing and voting based on what they do.

If it comes down to it, it will be in approximately three months or six months.

[–]Phytor 1033ポイント1034ポイント  (62子コメント)

Definitely good to see the mod team standing by what they believe in.

[–]PM_for_bad_advice 676ポイント677ポイント  (57子コメント)

And taking a reasonable stance while keeping us all informed.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 516ポイント517ポイント  (43子コメント)

We're doing our best. There are millions of users, so we have loads of ideas coming at us both in modmail and in /r/ideasforaskreddit. Thanks a lot for being supportive.

[–]stupidsunited 104ポイント105ポイント  (38子コメント)

I stand by this solution, good on you guys for thinking of it. To all the people who were so quick to jump on you guys' cases for "folding too soon", this is a way to show some seriousness. Recent events won't be forgotten, and this will help to make sure of that.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 154ポイント155ポイント  (37子コメント)

It's definitely tense here. There are people angry at us for shutting down at all, and then there are people who are angry at us for opening back up.

At any rate, people are going to be angry no matter what. We're trying to improve the user experience, and we're trying to ensure the admins' promises will be kept.

[–]stupidsunited 46ポイント47ポイント  (12子コメント)

I appreciate that. You guys are under fire from just about every direction, I wouldn't want to be in your (the mod teams) shoes.

People also remain angry at the admins when they released their statements though. And I mean, yeah we should be upset at their lack of effort into the site. But I keep seeing people get mad at how the blackout ended: "wow the modteam definitely knows what they're doing, shouldn't have listened to empty promises, etc etc" but what nobody can tell me is.... What would we actually expect? Like, even if the strike lasted longer what else do we want? They offered some quick fixes (which might not be reliable/actually useful at all, but still SOMETHING they put together in >20 hours) and they did what little else they could do- promise they'd work harder to fix mod tools and whatnot.

They might have a shitty track record, yeah. But I've yet to see anyone who can offer what else EXACTLY they actually wanted from a longer strike that would've helped any.

[–]ambiguousallegiance 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've yet to see anyone who can offer what else EXACTLY they actually wanted from a longer strike

Drama?

[–]pixelSHREDDER 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Essentially what the mods want are an improved set of tools, a timetable and accounting of resources devoted to those tools, and a written procedural change that guarantees that any staff changes that could potentially affect day-to-day operations, is transparently presented to the mods.

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    [–]Spicy_Masala 8ポイント9ポイント  (15子コメント)

    By giving them a timer, doesn't that just give them a definitive date as to when to make a move to usurp power from the mods completely? They replaced victoria, and they will easily replace you.

    [–]IranianGenius[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (11子コメント)

    I don't think they'll easily replace 40 people who all have unique talents and abilities...considering their replacements will need to be paid.

    That would be as good an idea as...I don't know...RedditNotes.

    [–]xiccit 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Doing something and having them be mad at you for it is better Imo then doing nothing and having your tools and mod abilities not be fixed. You are in a position to change the site for the better, and if people want to be mad at you because they can't see a site for a few days, they're obviously not worried about the integrity of the site they've come to love, or simply don't understand. You guys are the backbone of this site, and you're not being respected for the work your doing.

    Do what you need to do, be it shut it down if it comes to that.

    [–]Kountrified 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    HaHa. RedditNotes. We all see how far that went! Question for ya..is the "leaked Modmail" from Alexis legit? Seemed very condescending and stand offish to me. BTW, thanks for what you and other MODs do.

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      [–]KevintheNoodly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, I don't think that would be easy. Not only are there 40 mods on this subreddit alone but there are an infinite numbers of other subreddits that would probably privatize again. I don't think there are even 20 admins.

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        [–]Zeitgeis1 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Has anything improved by you going dark? Is this a viable strategy?

        [–]IranianGenius[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Well, they've given us a vague timeline and more descriptive promises than before. So I guess we'll see.

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          [–]FireandLife 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm with you too IG. Thank you and everyone else who has been working on fixing this mess.

          [–]ButterflyAttack 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          No problem. Thanks to you and the mod team for all the hard work, and I hope the admin and management crew come through for you. It's seemed that Reddit as a whole has been moving a little in the wrong direction over the past couple of years, and, as first point of contact with the users, the mods get a lot of shit, deserved or otherwise.

          I guess it's tricky to keep everything fluffy when a community grows to this sorta size and money and influence become factors.

          Good luck!

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                [–]ToTallyNikki 23ポイント24ポイント  (43子コメント)

                Are you concerned that the corporate side will have a takeover plan prepared by three months?

                I feel that relenting now was short sighted, as they were caught off guard, and that simply won't happen again.

                [–]IranianGenius[S] 69ポイント70ポイント  (33子コメント)

                We wouldn't be able to do anything if they wanted to take us over anyway. If they want to take us over they can go right ahead. I'm sure that project would go about as well as redditnotes.

                [–]ToTallyNikki 29ポイント30ポイント  (30子コメント)

                True, but they were not ready to do so. I suspect that they will be having meetings next week where it is made clear that this can never be allowed to happen again. People who don't understand the community concept will give ultimatums, and the folks who do will follow them in order to keep their jobs.

                I think we had the most power we ever will have right now because they were unprepared. I hope I am wrong, but I believe we have seen reddit's peak, and the corporate aspects will ultimately cause what's left of the community to collapse.

                [–]ButterflyAttack 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I can't think where they'd replace the mods, though, without building a big staff team. Which costs money.

                Although I bet they're costing it out.

                Hopefully, they'll also be considering the reputational damage such a move would do to Reddit and to their user numbers. But, as you said, they don't appear to understand the 'community' concept. . .

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                  [–]Sheepocalypse 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Burn.

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                      [–]Accidental-Genius 27ポイント28ポイント  (22子コメント)

                      Nice, but can you prevent the admins from just yanking your mod credentials and forcefully taking over the subreddit?

                      [–]DERPYBASTARD 67ポイント68ポイント  (16子コメント)

                      Nope, they have full control over their website. They can do whatever they want but it doesn't mean it would be a good decision.

                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 87ポイント88ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      If they did that, it would be interesting to watch.

                      [–]DERPYBASTARD 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I would be a sad panda.

                      [–]ButterflyAttack 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I can't imagine it happening, though. Possibly with one or two subs, but they just don't have the staff numbers to take over the mods' work, and not all of it can be automated. Though I'm not a mod, could be wrong. But furthermore I think they'd want to avoid the backlash that would occur. People might like to bitch about the mods but I think there's more solidarity there than people think and there would be a very negative reaction.

                      I betcha they considered doing it, though, especially when IAMA was down.

                      Hopefully, there are people on the corporate side who realise how important Reddit's reputation is to its continued success. It'd be a shame to see it fail, but it's certainly plausible. Dissatisfaction can cascade through the web, and once a valid, realistic alternative to Reddit exists - maintaining that good relationship and reputation is going to become increasingly important. . .

                      [–]Adys 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What if they just make some changes so that default subreddits can't be taken private anymore, and you don't find out until you try to on Sept 23rd?

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                        [–]FirstVape 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        "Doesn't mean it would be a good decision"

                        I lol'd

                        [–]KevintheNoodly 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        No but numbers can. There are only a small number of admins and this subreddit has 40 mods. I don't think it's realistic for them to replace them.

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                          [–]Burial4TetThomYorke 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          What exactly are the tools that all the mods keep asking for? I haven't heard any specifics but I'd like to know

                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          The first thing coming is apparently anti-brigading tools. I'm not totally sure myself what this is, as it hasn't been an issue in most of the subreddits I moderate.

                          There are a lot of features and functions we'd like, such as the ability to edit post titles (for example to correct for misspellings), warn users (instead of banning), and to improve modmail, which honestly is just atrocious.

                          [–]Philosopher_King 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          3 to 6 months? I'll take the under on that bet.

                          Reddit drama seems to be happening on an ever accelerating curve. Better prepare yourself for action in weeks, not months.

                          [–]CrownAndGingerAle 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Will you shutdown for longer than 12 hours?

                          [–]Stripes013 39ポイント40ポイント  (64子コメント)

                          But what about the users who do not care what happens should they suffer too?

                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 78ポイント79ポイント  (39子コメント)

                          I'm going to keep /r/FunAskReddit up. It's like AskReddit but with fewer* rules. And less people. :(

                          [–]PM_ME_YOUR_TITS_GIRL 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Would it be possible to put this "sister subreddit" somewhere in the sidebar so it can get more visibility?

                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 90ポイント91ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          If it gets enough subscribers and activity I will put it in the wiki we have of related subreddits. Until then, I feel I'm pretty biased for it, and I don't want to use my status as a moderator as a way to just promote that subreddit.

                          [–]Thebiguglyalien 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I wish there were more mods like you.

                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Thanks. That means a lot!

                          [–]PM_ME_YOUR_TITS_GIRL 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Sounds good, thanks for the reply.

                          [–]anotherpoweruser 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          less rules

                          It has one less rule (since 10 isn't really a rule) than AskReddit. I guess that's technically less, though :P

                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Good luck following rule 3 on /r/funaskreddit:

                          FunAskReddit is for fun.

                          I'll consolidate the rules if people use it more.

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                            [–]DiamondPittcairn 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            Just a question that has nothing to do with this, really: why is it that in your first answer you have a green background and in the second a blue one? I'm sorry if it's too dumb.

                            [–]IranianGenius[S] 55ポイント56ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            It's not dumb. The first comment (green) I was responding as a moderator, and distinguished myself because I was speaking for the mod team. In the second comment, I was just responding as a regular user, and since I'm OP, my name is highlighted blue.

                            [–]DiamondPittcairn 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Ooooooh now I get it. I see all the time the green background and I didn't know if it was something you could just sorta turn on and off when answering. Thanks!

                            [–]TheShaker 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Do you like to sometimes just reply with green to assert your power?

                            [–]IranianGenius[S] 47ポイント48ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            lol I moderate an online community. That's not power.

                            [–]mazegeek999 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I like this response. Unfortunately a lot of mods probably think the opposite.

                            [–]NineteenthJester 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Some fuckheads certainly think so.

                            [–]jaynay1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think it's more often that there are idiots claiming that the idiots think so than that the idiots actually think so...

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                              [–]kataskopo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They have a little button besides the normal "reply" us plebs have, it's called "distinguish" or something that makes it green and it's supposed to be a moderator talking "officially".

                              [–]Stripes013 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Well subscribed if that makes you feel better.

                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              It does! But post there and comment there! I think if there were more answers it would be more true to the name.

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                                [–]ImNotJesus[M] 51ポイント52ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                It's unfortunate that it affects users too but we don't have any other recourse. Please remember that a lot of the changes we're asking for are things that will make it easier to improve the subreddit. For example, our system of receiving mail from the users is insanely poor. Anything over a couple of days old is basically lost to the sands of time. That's not fair to the users who message us.

                                You may no realise that it affects you directly that we don't have tools to stop brigading or quickly make admins aware of doxxing but it's for the users, not us.

                                [–]allthefoxes 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                Yeah. Seriously.

                                Need to keep an important modmail for any reason whatsoever? pfhahaha

                                AND YOU KNOW WHATS WORSE????

                                The admins use it for their main contact, /r/reddit.com

                                Yes, what we get is a nightmare in all my subs, imagine using modmail as an admin. Its nightmare fuel

                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                That's part of what's so confusing to me. They use it. They know it's awful. So why hasn't it been fixed yet?

                                Glad they're going to get to it by December.

                                [–]Stillflying 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I mod over at /r/gameofthrones, and with the amount of spoiler moderation over there it can get pretty awful in modmail. We have a system where we set up a bot and a private subreddit that starts a new thread for every modmail we receive with the users name and what it was about, just so that if we get a modmail from a user saying "I accidentally posted a spoiler but I know my lesson now" we can view their original modmail message from 6 months back where we had reports they PMd users spoilers and ran their mouth off trolling at mods in modmail.

                                We shouldn't have to set up an entire subreddit just so that we can find out what a user might have said to us two or three months ago let alone years.

                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                We have a similar subreddit, and even that doesn't work perfectly.

                                [–]caninehere 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Glad they're going to get to it by December.

                                I wouldn't hold my breath, but let's hope. I have a hard time believing that the admins will actually take these concerns seriously considering this has been an ongoing issue for years now.

                                I really believe that their response was an effort to placate with no serious plan in place, and I think the next changes we see from the admin team will not be expected or positive ones.

                                At this point in the game giving them nearly six months just to implement new mod mail is excessively generous.

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                                  [–]masterspeler 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  It's not like the mods owe the users anything, they work for free.

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                                    [–]partanimal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I would love to see other subs do this!

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                                      [–]TheJackal8[M] 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      If the admins don't release the mod tools they agreed to release, it's a strong possibility. We don't want to do that, but they agreed to deliver by a certain timeframe and we expect them to either hold to that or keep us updated on delays.

                                      [–]BaneOfWindmills 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Seems more than reasonable, especially since you don't have many other options. Good luck to you all and I hope it doesn't come to that.

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                                          [–]bunglejerry 835ポイント836ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                          I already pressed the timer... don't I get a flair?

                                          [–]Endarys 297ポイント298ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                          You filthy presser.

                                          [–]IranianGenius[S] 244ポイント245ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                          Maybe if you just wait longer something will happen...

                                          [–]myownsecretaccount 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          YOU'RE EITHER RED OR YOU'RE GRAY. THERE IS NO IN-BETWEEN. IN-BETWEEN IS FOR COWARDS.

                                          [–]v12a12 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          60s represent

                                          [–]Dudamis 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          All hail the mighty winners of the great button war! Long live the Minutemen.

                                          [–]CorvoAttano420 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Here's a flare... a nostril flare: ( ͡°╭͜ʖ╮͡° )

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                                            [–]Silberklinge 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            I don't see the timer. Can someone point it out to me?

                                            [–]IranianGenius[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            Check the top of the sidebar (bottom of this image).

                                            If it looks a little different, sorry. I'm not sure how much different (if at all) moderator view is from non-moderator view.

                                            [–]Iccutreb 230ポイント231ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                            Oh boy, like the timer on my microwave, making more popcorn!

                                            [–]Dudwithacake[🍰] 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            Gotta stop the timer as close to 1s as you can, right?

                                            Unless you're making popcorn in something other than a microwave. Then I'd have to ask what you're doing with your life.

                                            [–]SoupOfTomato 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            I don't understand why microwave popcorn is so popular. Stovetop popcorn with some melted butter is waaaaay better tasting, better for you, the kernels cost less, and doesn't take much longer to make.

                                            [–]MAK911 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            You don't grill popcorn? You're missing out on so much flavor.

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                                              [–]AFriendlyPeople 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Popcorn tastes good.

                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 70ポイント71ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Now you're cooking!

                                              [–]Iccutreb 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              This is my second comment reply from you ever.

                                              DESTINY! DESTINY! NO ESCAPING THAT FOR ME

                                              [–]NotEmmaStone 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Popcorn tastes good.

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                                                [–]Gallionella 96ポイント97ポイント  (86子コメント)

                                                could they decide/be capable of... take over and kick you guys out if it gets out of hand?

                                                [–]ImNotJesus[M] 230ポイント231ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                Yes, they run the site and can do what they want. If they decide to remove us that's their prerogative. I'm betting they still need volunteers to run their website though.

                                                [–]Veals 43ポイント44ポイント  (46子コメント)

                                                I feel like if you guys stepped down there would a violent bloodbath for who gets to replace you. I also think you know this which is why you have yet to see a top mod of a default actually step away. They know that if they left they would be replaced and never be top mod again. Both the mods and the paid employees know this, which is why all this talk is just that, talk.

                                                Bluffing only works when the other side thinks you actually have a good hand. Otherwise you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

                                                Also does it feel weird to find yourself loudly making the same complaints to the admins that the users have made for years to the mod's deaf ears? I guess what goes around comes around.

                                                [–]TheCuriousDude 55ポイント56ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                I think you're really underestimating the amount of effort required to moderate subreddits with millions of subscribers. I personally would love to see them kick out all the moderators, just so I can see the shitshow that would result.

                                                [–]respectwalk 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Aren't there hundreds or thousands of people dying for a chance to be able to mod such a community? Would it be that difficult to choose the ten accounts who've contributed the most (time, content, etc)? Or even 30 of them?

                                                [–]Shaggyninja 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                True. But the current mod team has been built up over 5+ years. They know how the subreddit works, the rules, how to work together, and we know they aren't shills.

                                                30+ brand new people who have never worked together? That's not going to go well.

                                                And what about the normal redditors who see that the mods of their favourite subreddits were removed by the admins who they aren't exactly fans of right now. The backlash would be huge.

                                                [–]TranslatedComment 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                The amount of drama would give me a butter overdose.

                                                [–]Veals 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Nope, in fact the mod of /r/art just stepped down, and would you look at that! The sub isn't being overrun by spam, someone just stepped right in and took over. Seems contradictory to the doomsday scenario you guys are presenting...

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                                                  [–]blacksnake03 63ポイント64ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                  You don't say much with so many words.

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                                                      [–]GustavoFrings 27ポイント28ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                      I'm sure they could, after all it is their site.

                                                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 62ポイント63ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                      Based on recent events, it would be interesting to see the admin team try to run Reddit without any mods.

                                                      [–]8BitHedgehog 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                      Reddit would go the way of the dodo.

                                                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I think so, but I'm a little biased...

                                                      [–]Platanium 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      It would actually be kinda hilarious to watch them and try to run their own ship as it sinks. . . into an iceberg. . . then blow up when it hits bottom

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                                                        [–]thenerdal 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        You do know there's people out there that would replace the mods?

                                                        It's not like if the mods do get removed, no one will want to mod. There are people who would love to mod a subreddit this big.

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                                                          [–]Malphos101 76ポイント77ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          Admins: "In order to alleviate the stress from our hardworking mod team, we have streamlined the toolbox they have! This new decluttered toolbox also adds several new moderating features which will enhance the Mods ability to run a Reddit Default™!"

                                                          Added Features:

                                                          -Enhanced brigading tracking that will detect when a petty Admin's flippant remarks are being downvoted and provide an easy to access delete/ban button!

                                                          -24/7 Admin team that will handle all incoming AMA's! This will free the mods from the burden of verification and cumbersome PR crony screening! All Admin approved AMAs will come with custom "Definitely not paid for or part of PR campaign" flair!

                                                          -In order to improve the visibility of quality, Admin screened AMAs we have added AMA Gold™! An AMA guest who is granted AMA Gold™ will now enjoy guaranteed front page visibility for a minimum of 7 days and access to all moderation tools in order to customize their AMA experience! In order to apply for AMA Gold™ contact the AMA Admin team!Some restrictions apply. AMA Gold™ fee will be assessed based on guest valuation by Reddit Promotional Department.

                                                          Removed features:

                                                          -Moved "Set to Private" and "Delete Subreddit" options to Admin toolbox in order to clear space for the Mods

                                                          [–]mrv3 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Bonus:

                                                          User have complained about not receiving their secret santa gifts and issues of privacy have arisen so starting this christmas all gifts must be bought through us.

                                                          [–]civilamish 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          You know how you see shit in r/bestof that's like "u/Malphos101 predicted this crazy thing thing 4 months ago and it totes just happened ZOMGZ!"

                                                          I really hope this isn't one of those cases. But honestly, I don't think I'll be surprised.

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                                                            [–]DERPYBASTARD 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Technically they could. It would be a bad move on their part as it would hurt the subreddit and thus hurt the site as this is the biggest subreddit as well as the biggest source of gildings. There's no feasible way they can just replace a mod team like that, as the new moderators would run the subreddit differently.

                                                            [–]RandomSnapzuUser 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            They could. Good luck earning any goodwill from the other mods around the site after a move like that.

                                                            [–]FlyGuy302 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Yeah thats what I was thinking. Can they remove all the mods?

                                                            [–]jazzloverjazzlover 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            They could, and I could see it as something that they would do; in order to get their desired results, making a rash decision and then back pedaling their way out of the consequences/ignoring them entirely.

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                                                              [–]fagit15 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              So it wasn't my phone that's messing up

                                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 39ポイント40ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              Maybe it's both.

                                                              [–]TheJackal8 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                              It's always both. Like chips and salsa.

                                                              [–]DistantWaves 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              I was hoping something like this would happen so that the admins couldn't just sweep it all under the rug and have us forget in a few months.

                                                              [–]IranianGenius[S] 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              A lot of us moderators were worried about that too. We don't want to feel like we're against the admins, but at the same time we don't want to keep feeling like they're just ignoring us.

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                                                                [–]Kiatro 84ポイント85ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                This is a brilliant idea, thanks

                                                                [–]TheJackal8[M] 90ポイント91ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                Credit to /u/ialo00130 who suggested this to us.

                                                                https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeasForAskreddit/comments/3c15cx/a_6_month_count_down_on_the_sidebar_of_the_sub_to/

                                                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 123ポイント124ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Wow! You mean the moderators actually read /r/ideasforaskreddit?

                                                                (So if you have a suggestion, please post it there! We love suggestions!)

                                                                [–]straydog1980 91ポイント92ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                You nearly got me with your sneaky colour change there but I'm onto you.

                                                                [–]IranianGenius[S] 83ポイント84ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Drat! I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for 1980 and their straydog.

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                                                                  [–]Dudwithacake[🍰] 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I think I've gotten a reply from a mod every post I've put there. Usually it's a very well thought way of saying "no" with reasons to back it up or "we already do this".

                                                                  [–]ialo00130 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  Hey man, thanks for giving me credit! Means a lot.

                                                                  [–]IranianGenius[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Thanks for putting a suggestion in /r/ideasforaskreddit. We love seeing ideas there and have made many changes based on them.

                                                                  [–]allthefoxes 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Can I suggest you mod me, IG?

                                                                  : ^ )

                                                                  Come shitpost with me in #modtalk

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                                                                    [–]_Bored_Now 44ポイント45ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                    I like that you are holding the admins accountable for their promises. Are there any plans of protest if they do not hold their end of the bargain? Is there anything you can do that is less extreme than shutting down the subreddit?

                                                                    [–]IranianGenius[S] 83ポイント84ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                    We might discuss making it restricted so no new posts can be made, but people can still read AskReddit.

                                                                    This would quell all the modmail we got about people who wanted "something to read while pooping."

                                                                    [–]DERPYBASTARD 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    Hey at least they didn't threaten to commit sudoku like in /r/4chan modmail.

                                                                    [–]IranianGenius[S] 61ポイント62ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Commit sudoku? Like how? With weapons of math distraction?!

                                                                    [–]iBleeedorange 54ポイント55ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    Thank you for caring about the shitters.

                                                                    [–]IranianGenius[S] 65ポイント66ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    They're an integral part of the AskReddit experience.

                                                                    [–]TheAbsurdPrince 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Literally the second I got to this part of the thread I sat down to take a shit...

                                                                    [–]IranianGenius[S] 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    That's the spirit!

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                                                                        [–]pm_me_ur_feetz 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        I have a feeling they will use this time to hire/train people to mod the defaults. I don't think 'corporate reddit' likes that mods have power to shut down their business. Probably one of the reasons why Automod features development was a high priority than mod tools. ROI to shareholders in priority #1 now (after the recent funding), and that's what measures the 'success, competence' of the ceo/company, not the amount of goodwill the community has.

                                                                        We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

                                                                        [–]sushibowl 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        They'll have to find volunteers, I'm thinking. Reddit employs like ~100 people at the moment, and askreddit's mod team alone has 40 people on it. They would have to double their workforce or something, that doesn't seem feasible to me.

                                                                        I don't think they can find quality replacement mods very easily, but we'll see what happens if that's the way they decide to go.

                                                                        [–]AlyoshaV 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Employees cost money, though. A lot of money.

                                                                        [–]reggie_007 27ポイント28ポイント  (54子コメント)

                                                                        Can someone give me a brief run down of why everyone hates Ellen Pao so much?

                                                                        [–]Mutt1223 93ポイント94ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                        Apparently she is the source of all pain and suffering in the world.

                                                                        [–]ShrimpFood 114ポイント115ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                        She initiated the great leap forward. She was a prison guard at Auschwitz.

                                                                        One time, my dog was walking on thin ice on the lake, and he fell through. Ellen Pao jumped in and swam over to him. When she got there, she broke his legs and held him under.

                                                                        She set a local orphanage on fire, then promptly set the arriving fire trucks on fire.

                                                                        She's picketed over 300 funerals.

                                                                        She genetically engineered Yersinia pestis and unleashed it upon Europe in the 1300s.

                                                                        She sends Facebook invites for every single Facebook game imaginable.

                                                                        In her spare time, she volunteers at Comcast tech support.

                                                                        She cheats when playing split-screen games.

                                                                        She has steak extremely well-done.

                                                                        When asked for a public statement, she said, "I think Valve is over hyped. They haven't made anything memorable since Half-life 1."

                                                                        Ellen "Shawshank Redemption needs a remake with a Disney channel Cast" Pao has been seen frequenting Voat on multiple occasions. Even she can see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Voat Crunch.

                                                                        She's on record as saying, "I think the new SW Battlefront not having space battles was good design choice."

                                                                        Given the choice between dogs or cats, she chose mosquitoes.

                                                                        [–]SmilesTheJawa 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        I heard she doesn't leave the toilet seat down when she's done.

                                                                        [–]IranianGenius[S] 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                        I swear this subreddit has the best users of any default.

                                                                        [–]ShrimpFood 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        /r/askreddit and /r/science are the only defaults I can stand to visit the comments for. Thanks for moderating!

                                                                        [–]ObsessedWithHobbits 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        /r/askreddit IS mainly about comments though....

                                                                        [–]Zagorath 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        /r/science is, too, but that's mainly because the comments explain why the headline is exaggerated or plain wrong.

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                                                                          [–]GreyMatter22 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          This is.. beautiful :')

                                                                          [–]MAK911 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Wait, wait, wait. The new SW Battlefront isn't having space battles?!

                                                                          [–]ShrimpFood 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          That appears to be the case. It could be good, but I'm not really holding my breath. EA has sucked any hope out of me for their titles.

                                                                          [–]kckeller 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I'm just commenting so if I need an insult for whatever reason in the future, I have a list to choose from...

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                                                                            [–]8BitHedgehog 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            She's the new CEO, and whenever there's any drama on the site, she gets blamed even if she had nothing to do with it.

                                                                            [–]ShallowBasketcase 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            So she's the anti-GabeN?

                                                                            [–]Scrotchticles 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Did you not see the shitshow with paid mods and valve? GabeN is definitely the God and scapegoat of his company.

                                                                            [–]mattsprofile 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Because you can't stop the circlejerk train.

                                                                            [–]DERPYBASTARD 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            She's the scapegoat for ignorant users.

                                                                            [–]1sagas1 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Reddit is full of reactionaries looking for a scapegoat to be outraged at. They will get over it with time.

                                                                            [–]Ifrickedup_Sorry 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            You don't need to meet her to know how much of a cunt she is. Just read her bio, news articles about her legal troubles and stuff, and read her reddit posts. ---- what I've been told on why she's horrible.

                                                                            Link to her profile

                                                                            She seems nice from her profile and I don't feel like judging someone I don't know for their past.

                                                                            [–]allthefoxes 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                            In my limited interaction with Ellen, she is very kind, and definitely does seem to care in some form at the very least.

                                                                            I think that yes, the lawsuit is questionable, and I think her policy of not letting anyone negotiable salary is just dumb.

                                                                            I cannot say I like her much, but that does not make her the source of literally every single one of reddits problems. And that does not make her satan incarnate

                                                                            [–]pan0ramic 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            and I think her policy of not letting anyone negotiable salary is just dumb.

                                                                            Transparent salary improves morale, provided people are earning a salary commensurate to their experience and position.

                                                                            I don't know if it's the most fair or if I agree with it, but this is the principle behind the policy.

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                                                                                [–]Dudwithacake[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                I know this may be shitty idea of the day, but what would a no mod + rules day/week do in ways of proving that the admins need you? I know that /r/wow (or something) did it but on a much larger scale, I'm sure the results would be different.

                                                                                [–]pao4life 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                What are the specific improvements you have asked for?

                                                                                [–]DrBidoof 209ポイント210ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                Oh boy, a timer to constantly remind us of the drama. It sure is great Reddit is back to normal

                                                                                [–]ImNotJesus[M] 243ポイント244ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                Our aim is accountability and transparency. We tried to make sure it was small and discreet*.

                                                                                [–]--his_dudeness-- 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                The time is always discrete. Discreet though...

                                                                                [–]246011111 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Well, time is continuous, but the way we divide it is discrete.

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                                                                                  [–]english-23 39ポイント40ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  I like it. It's subtle so it's not impacting reading the page like some crazy css but you know it's always there in the back of your mind. It'd be kinda cool if closer to the time it started counting down.

                                                                                  [–]YourWizardPenPal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  impacting reading the page like some crazy css

                                                                                  Sounds like you just got a fun idea.

                                                                                  [–]noobit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  discreet* I'm guessing, unless you actually meant it has a discrete 'section' or such

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                                                                                    [–]straydog1980 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                    The events are coming closer and closer together. Next there will be a double event and then a triple. The math does not lie.

                                                                                    RESET THE CLOCK.

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                                                                                      [–]iruleurmom 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      moderators have gotten too big for their britches.

                                                                                      [–]BlueLaserCommander 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      Will reddit ever get back to normal? I miss it

                                                                                      [–]ShockinglyEfficient 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      ITT: armchair economists

                                                                                      [–]burst_bagpipe 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                      Is anyone still here? It's getting quiet.

                                                                                      [–]iBleeedorange 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                      /u/IranianGenius what if the admins don't meet the deadlines but have reasons behind it, is there a line for reasons where it would still mean askreddit would stay open even if they didn't meet the deadlines?

                                                                                      [–]IranianGenius[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                      The admins have given us their word. If by September 23, we do not see the changes they promised (and they have not given us good communication as to why this has been happening), we will send them a written warning that we are planning on closing. By September 30, we will evaluate what the admins have told us, and based on that, decide what the appropriate actions are. If we need to shut down again, for a longer period of time, we will shut down again. The changes we expect to see are better anti-brigading tools.

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                                                                                        [–]natrlselection 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        Glad there seems to be some dialogue between default mods and the admins, but I have a serious question: how does improving modmail and modtools help reddit in regard to the issues with Pao and reddit administrators mishandling community issues/interests?

                                                                                        To me, this solution seems unrelated to the problems at hand, but perhaps I don't understand why those things are so important.

                                                                                        [–]NICKisICE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I respect your maturity and decisiveness on the matter.

                                                                                        Here's to peaceful resolution for the betterment of all Redditkind.

                                                                                        [–]MarshManOriginal 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        Explain to me how closing the subreddit will do anything other than just piss off more users? Clearly if they didn't listen to you the first time, it didn't have any affect.

                                                                                        [–]guyatoffice 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        I hope you realize that if you shit down the subreddit again the admins will likely ban you all and do w takeover.

                                                                                        At least this is what I expect the current leadership to do. This board is a 'money maker'.

                                                                                        [–]JustPotato 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        This is a good idea.
                                                                                        And it's not just an idea, it seems like it will work.
                                                                                        You Mods haven't been dealt the fairest cards, but you're doing what you can to keep a good hand, it's impressive.

                                                                                        I'm not sure if that was a good card reference, but I was feeling it since I played some card games today

                                                                                        [–]SillySalamander6 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        I don't see the timer. Am I missing something?

                                                                                        [–]Barflad 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        Will this be /r/thebutton 2.0?

                                                                                        [–]Haltgamer 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Oh, you mean the timer will hit zero, nothing will happen, and the subreddit gets locked down?

                                                                                        Possibly.

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                                                                                          [–]LouisCKGoatee 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          sorry for my naiveté but what's stopping the admins from saying "fuck you" when you decide to shut down a subreddit and just use their powers to open it back up again? and if the answer is that "the people will be angry with them" -- it seems like everybody is angry with them and we're all still here...

                                                                                          [–]Ass_Dragon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          It seems like everyone on this site is too high on their own sense of self importance. This drama is fucking stupid.

                                                                                          [–]NeechieChief 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm sorry for not add anything to the conversation, but I've clicked on the link in this post and it basically opens a new askreddit home page tab. So (in descriptive length), could someone please explain this to me (with or without references) on what's gone on? I have missed everything, and this being my favourite subreddit, I'd like to know what's going on if there's a chance of a 6 month shut down. Also, these comments didn't do much for answering my questions, so I need to make my own comment unfortunately. I sincerely apologize, but I'm sure you can understand my confusion.

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