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[–]GhostOfBruiser 240ポイント241ポイント  (95子コメント)

Will askreddit be shut down again in the near future?

[–]IranianGenius[S,M] 492ポイント493ポイント  (84子コメント)

If the admins don't commit to their promises, I will vote to shut down AskReddit. We will be discussing and voting based on what they do.

If it comes down to it, it will be in approximately three months or six months.

[–]Phytor 247ポイント248ポイント  (15子コメント)

Definitely good to see the mod team standing by what they believe in.

[–]PM_for_bad_advice 159ポイント160ポイント  (14子コメント)

And taking a reasonable stance while keeping us all informed.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 112ポイント113ポイント  (4子コメント)

We're doing our best. There are millions of users, so we have loads of ideas coming at us both in modmail and in /r/ideasforaskreddit. Thanks a lot for being supportive.

[–]stupidsunited [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I stand by this solution, good on you guys for thinking of it. To all the people who were so quick to jump on you guys' cases for "folding too soon", this is a way to show some seriousness. Recent events won't be forgotten, and this will help to make sure of that.

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's definitely tense here. There are people angry at us for shutting down at all, and then there are people who are angry at us for opening back up.

At any rate, people are going to be angry no matter what. We're trying to improve the user experience, and we're trying to ensure the admins' promises will be kept.

[–]stupidsunited [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I appreciate that. You guys are under fire from just about every direction, I wouldn't want to be in your (the mod teams) shoes.

People also remain angry at the admins when they released their statements though. And I mean, yeah we should be upset at their lack of effort into the site. But I keep seeing people get mad at how the blackout ended: "wow the modteam definitely knows what they're doing, shouldn't have listened to empty promises, etc etc" but what nobody can tell me is.... What would we actually expect? Like, even if the strike lasted longer what else do we want? They offered some quick fixes (which might not be reliable/actually useful at all, but still SOMETHING they put together in >20 hours) and they did what else they could do- promise they'd work harder to fix mod tools and whatnot.

They might have a shitty track record, yeah. But I've yet to see anyone who can offer what else EXACTLY they actually wanted from a longer strike that would've helped any.

[–]EVIREDPAINT [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It must be hard enough being mod of one of the biggest subs, let alone having to fight ellen and the administration while still doing your moderating.

[–]Accidental-Genius 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nice, but can you prevent the admins from just yanking your mod credentials and forcefully taking over the subreddit?

[–]DERPYBASTARD 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nope, they have full control over their website. They can do whatever they want but it doesn't mean it would be a good decision.

[–]ToTallyNikki 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are you concerned that the corporate side will have a takeover plan prepared by three months?

I feel that relenting now was short sighted, as they were caught off guard, and that simply won't happen again.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

We wouldn't be able to do anything if they wanted to take us over anyway. If they want to take us over they can go right ahead. I'm sure that project would go about as well as redditnotes.

[–]ToTallyNikki [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

True, but they were not ready to do so. I suspect that they will be having meetings next week where it is made clear that this can never be allowed to happen again. People who don't understand the community concept will give ultimatums, and the folks who do will follow them in order to keep their jobs.

I think we had the most power we ever will have right now because they were unprepared. I hope I am wrong, but I believe we have seen reddit's peak, and the corporate aspects will ultimately cause what's left of the community to collapse.

[–]SgvSth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

and the folks who do will follow them in order to keep their jobs.

Since Reddit is not paying the mods a cent, I would say 'volunteer work' over jobs. Which is sad, because Reddit would not be as successful without the mods that make them the money.

[–]Sheepocalypse [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Burn.

[–]tacojohn48 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They're going to have to take over all the defaults, there's no way investors will keep investing now they are aware of the lack of control.

[–]Philosopher_King 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

3 to 6 months? I'll take the under on that bet.

Reddit drama seems to be happening on an ever accelerating curve. Better prepare yourself for action in weeks, not months.

[–]Morrinn3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As much as I love this sub, I'm with you 100% you guys do what you have to do, I'm sure we'll find something else to occupy ourselves with while we starve the bastards out.

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There's definitely alternatives to AskReddit anyway. /r/ListOfSubreddits has a cool list of alternatives to popular subreddits.

[–]GreyMatter22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The story-telling that goes on /r/AskReddit are actually one of the best real life narratives I have ever seen.

[–]Stripes013 18ポイント19ポイント  (41子コメント)

But what about the users who do not care what happens should they suffer too?

[–]IranianGenius[S] 43ポイント44ポイント  (27子コメント)

I'm going to keep /r/FunAskReddit up. It's like AskReddit but with fewer* rules. And less people. :(

[–]anotherpoweruser 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

less rules

It has one less rule (since 10 isn't really a rule) than AskReddit. I guess that's technically less, though :P

[–]IranianGenius[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good luck following rule 3 on /r/funaskreddit:

FunAskReddit is for fun.

I'll consolidate the rules if people use it more.

[–]engineeringChaos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Also, it would be fewer rules, since it is a countable quantity :)

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_TITS_GIRL 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

Would it be possible to put this "sister subreddit" somewhere in the sidebar so it can get more visibility?

[–]IranianGenius[S] 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

If it gets enough subscribers and activity I will put it in the wiki we have of related subreddits. Until then, I feel I'm pretty biased for it, and I don't want to use my status as a moderator as a way to just promote that subreddit.

[–]DiamondPittcairn 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just a question that has nothing to do with this, really: why is it that in your first answer you have a green background and in the second a blue one? I'm sorry if it's too dumb.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not dumb. The first comment (green) I was responding as a moderator, and distinguished myself because I was speaking for the mod team. In the second comment, I was just responding as a regular user, and since I'm OP, my name is highlighted blue.

[–]DiamondPittcairn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ooooooh now I get it. I see all the time the green background and I didn't know if it was something you could just sorta turn on and off when answering. Thanks!

[–]Stripes013 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well subscribed if that makes you feel better.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It does! But post there and comment there! I think if there were more answers it would be more true to the name.

[–]tigerskitty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Fewer.

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I always mess that one up lol. Thanks and edited.

[–]IrrelevantLeprechaun [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

We should also make an askreddit sub that bans sex related questions.

Just sayin

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm hoping that one day we will end up removing those from here. That's me speaking as a user.

[–]TheFoxGoesMoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's also AskVoat on Voat.

[–]ImNotJesus[M] 27ポイント28ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's unfortunate that it affects users too but we don't have any other recourse. Please remember that a lot of the changes we're asking for are things that will make it easier to improve the subreddit. For example, our system of receiving mail from the users is insanely poor. Anything over a couple of days old is basically lost to the sands of time. That's not fair to the users who message us.

You may no realise that it affects you directly that we don't have tools to stop brigading or quickly make admins aware of doxxing but it's for the users, not us.

[–]allthefoxes [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah. Seriously.

Need to keep an important modmail for any reason whatsoever? pfhahaha

AND YOU KNOW WHATS WORSE????

The admins use it for their main contact, /r/reddit.com

Yes, what we get is a nightmare in all my subs, imagine using modmail as an admin. Its nightmare fuel

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's part of what's so confusing to me. They use it. They know it's awful. So why hasn't it been fixed yet?

Glad they're going to get to it by December.

[–]burst_bagpipe -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pile of Pish, you guys (The mods) do way more work than them. It's such a shame its went tits up.

[–]Fanavans [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You may no realise that it affects you directly that we don't have tools to stop brigading or quickly make admins aware of doxxing but it's for the users, not us.

I'm happy for you to have anti doxxing tools, but anti brigading tools is a problem. Firstly, how big a problem is brigading for /askreddit? What's the worst case? Stupid answer gets to top?

Secondly, it is a fundamental change in the way reddit works, further consolidating power in unelected mods. If you're going to have this power, what checks and balances are going to be in place?

[–]OldNastyPerv 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mod tools are a huge issue that affects everyone, it is just that the majority of the users don't see all the work behind the scenes.

If you don't care about the hundreds or thousands of hours someone puts in to mod a sub maybe you should leave.

[–]masterspeler 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not like the mods owe the users anything, they work for free.

[–]rasterbee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes people try to bribe us with gold.

Doesn't work, but there is no "Reject the gold someone just bought for you" button.

[–]ugots -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The silenced majority

[–]Khnagar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless you get the admins to agree to a timeline, with set dates for when the different things will be fixed and implemented* their promise is worthless.

"Planning to work on and fix sometime, in the future", is no plan and an empty promise. So now you just wait around for six months and hope admins deliver something?

*Better toolbox, search working, modmail improved, the issues of shadowbanning, and so on.

[–]IranianGenius[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Three months actually. See the sidebar and the linked post.

[–]ILikeMyBlueEyes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well that's gonna suck.

I know I'm only one Redditor and it probably doesn't mean anything, but I'm gonna have to say 'goodbye' to Reddit if they don't get their shit straightened out.

[–]fruitbear753 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait, it will be shut down until then, or it will be shut down then?

[–]Dynamaxion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The users should vote too!

[–]Malgana [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So basically you just burned everything down because you weren't getting what you wanted, and will do so again in the future?

I know it sounds caustic when I put it that way, but I'm just trying to say it as it is.

[–]IranianGenius[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're saying that as if moderators get anything out of this.

We can't help the community with the tools we currently have, and we need better tools because AskReddit has eight million more members than it did when we first got these mod tools. And they haven't changed.

[–]dj_bizarro [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So basically reddit is being held hostage

[–]mikehaysjr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ransomed? Maybe. Or I think it would be more accurately looked at as a strike or protest. They know they risk being locked out essentially but are standing for their beliefs here. I would say they have a lot of users on their side as well, and while they might be removeable, it would not be done collateral-free.

[–]TheJackal8[M] 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

If the admins don't release the mod tools they agreed to release, it's a strong possibility. We don't want to do that, but they agreed to deliver by a certain timeframe and we expect them to either hold to that or keep us updated on delays.

[–]BaneOfWindmills 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems more than reasonable, especially since you don't have many other options. Good luck to you all and I hope it doesn't come to that.

[–]CallMeBread -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Running through the 6 with my woes....