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[–]guy231 1667ポイント1668ポイント  (45子コメント)

Yeah, I'm going to have to go with David Frum: it was stupid to hire a CEO who hates the product and its users.

[–]Walmartmechahitler 126ポイント127ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL I was not aware he made that statement until now

[–]TuckerBishop 71ポイント72ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know I'm kind of late to this, but I just have to say it.

Having this woman speak on my behalf, even if it's in a sea of millions of users, puts a disgusting taste in my mouth. It's honestly the biggest motivation I've ever had to leave this site.

[–]hobomcgiggels 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow I didn't care, but now I do. Fuck you Ellen pao

[–]wharris200122k get! 254ポイント255ポイント  (12子コメント)

So wait a minute, Ellen Pao in an interview to the New York times, after giving an interview to BuzzFeed, is claiming very few people are interested in the topic of the interview?

[–]icallshenannigans 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well when you put it like that...

[–]theresamouseinmyhous 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's not talking to us. She's talking to investors

[–]futtinutti 1220ポイント1221ポイント  (114子コメント)

Considering this is the 2nd time she has set reddit on fire in a short while, perhaps she should try to actually listen to the users instead of assuming the majority is fine with whatever changes is being implemented.

Also she might want to read up on transparent management, especially as the CEO of a very large social media site. If she did frequent AmAs and told what her goals are and what changes must be implemented, she would have a much higher chance of success.

[–]mindbleach 745ポイント746ポイント  (69子コメント)

AMAs would also open her to an iota of good advice. Got some shitty subs which are inexplicably popular? Implement RES features natively and put shitty subs on the default exclude-list for /r/All. That's all it would've taken to sweep FPH under the rug (along with every last goddamn racist piece of shit sub) with negligible complaints beneath the celebration of "new" features.

[–]mansplain 392ポイント393ポイント  (31子コメント)

man, that is retardedly simple and absolutely no one would have cared.

[–]mindbleach 228ポイント229ポイント  (8子コメント)

Right?! I am a staunch advocate of free speech - and if I have to change some account options to see mere pornography, I had goddamn well better be similarly shielded from shit like "pics of dead kids."

[–]KosherDensity 216ポイント217ポイント  (21子コメント)

Arrogant bitch defines Ellen Pao quite well.

Don't take my word for it, go read about her case against Kleiner-Perkins

[–]knullbulle 204ポイント205ポイント  (19子コメント)

You mean when she made a false claim of "discrimination" against a former employer for the same amount her (Alleged) fraudster husband was owing for having defrauded investors? Sounds to me you are just a misogynist https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]karadan100 80ポイント81ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just raped my trigger trigger.

[–]harrison3bane 33ポイント34ポイント  (15子コメント)

This can't be the whole story... Can it?

Has /r/conspiracy seriously been right all along?

[–]bytester 75ポイント76ポイント  (7子コメント)

“In response, Pao demanded an additional $2.7 million payment from KPCB in return for not appealing, despite the jury’s unequivocal verdict in our favor on all counts,” Christina Lee, a spokeswoman for Kleiner, said in a statement. “We have no intention of accepting this unreasonable demand.”

...

Before the trial started in February, Pao’s husband, Alphonse “Buddy” Fletcher Jr., was ordered by a New York state judge to pay $2.7 million to a law firm that represented him in his racial discrimination complaint against the famed Dakota apartments in Manhattan’s Upper West Side. He sued after the management turned down his application to buy a unit adjacent to one he owned.

  1. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-05/pao-said-to-seek-2-7-million-to-walk-away-from-gender-lawsuit

[–]mistergookey 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can sort of understand (at a stretch) how someone could claim racial discrimination if they weren't allowed to purchase an apartment they could afford. But claiming racial discrimination when being denied the apartment next to the one you already own?

"I'm not racist but this black guy owns too much. I'm a firm believer that black people should only own one Manhatten apartment at a time."
Said no one ever.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't even his second apartment, he wanted a FOURTH apartment in one of Manhattan's most exclusive apartment buildings.

And then everything seemed to fall apart. During the last two years, Fletcher and Pao have become embroiled in bitter and sensational conflicts that have been the talk of Wall Street and Silicon Valley. In February 2011, to the shock and titillation of New York society, Fletcher sued the co-op board of the Dakota, the iconic 129-year-old apartment building on Manhattan’s Upper West Side whose famous residents have included Yoko Ono, Lauren Bacall, and Leonard Bernstein, and where John Lennon was shot to death in 1980. Furious when the Dakota’s board denied his application to buy his fourth apartment in the building, a $5.7 million two-bedroom, Fletcher sued the board for racial discrimination. In his complaint, Fletcher painted the Dakota, one of the city’s most exclusive co-ops, as a hive of bigotry, where victims were said to include the singer Roberta Flack and the actor Antonio Banderas.

I SAY AGAIN: HIS FOURTH FUCKING APARTMENT

[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 2057ポイント2058ポイント  (258子コメント)

~75% of Redditors were affected by the blackout

doesn't ring nicely with

"vast majority of Reddit users are uninterested in what unfolded"

[–]KToff 1495ポイント1496ポイント  (210子コメント)

I think she is right in saying that a vocal minority is complaining and most users just shut up and/or don't care.

BUT, this vocal minority is the users who create/manage content and are what keep the silent majority on the site.

[–]kaukamieli 524ポイント525ポイント  (170子コメント)

Is the vocal minority enough to keep all that shit on frontpage, with 16k+votes? That literally never happens.

Also, she gave an interview? Did she ever say something to us in Reddit? o.O

[–]Luna_Wolf 646ポイント647ポイント  (114子コメント)

Nope, still no post about any of what happened in /r/announcements

She's giving interviews about it to other sites before even talking about it to her own. Good job, Chairman Pao.

[–]canyouhearme 157ポイント158ポイント  (20子コメント)

Point is, until the money men understand how she's screwed up, nothing will change. They aren't the type of people that frequent a subreddit, but they ARE the type of people that read the NYT. So she sells her story where it will have an effect.

You want change? Find the contact details of the money men (you're good at that) and present them with well reasoned arguments as to why she is preventing reddit making money - which is all they are interested in at this point.

[–]lukestauntaun 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

Point is, until the money men understand how she's screwed up, nothing will change. They aren't the type of people that frequent a subreddit, but they ARE the type of people that real the NYT.

That's not exactly true. I mean, the nyt part is, but you'd be surprised to learn how far Reddit stretches. Your "money men" don't blindly throw it around and typically have a finger on the pulse of everything they're involved in.

Source: I've worked for a few "money men"...

[–]RobbieGee 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly, you're not a good investor if you stuff money into things you have no idea how they function. *cough*myspace

[–]trav268 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's Jared Leto's email address? I'll take the initiative to send a very strongly worded email.

[–]MikeIsaacNYT Journalist 120ポイント121ポイント  (79子コメント)

Hi there, author of the NYT piece here.

I think the idea for them approaching me was to present a wider statement to the folks who may just be hearing about reddit for the first time, as well as addressing the Reddit users at large.

A lot of the communication beforehand was scattered, individual responses to users.

[–]Luna_Wolf 94ポイント95ポイント  (28子コメント)

And that's why why /r/announcements or /r/blog exists, so that the admins can make site wide announcements to the community. We've just not gotten a single thing but vague promises from individual admins, no official response from Reddit has been made.

I'm not sure that at this point the focus of Reddit should be to inform people who've never heard about Reddit about it, they should first probably fix the problems about Reddit.

[–]MikeIsaacNYT Journalist 62ポイント63ポイント  (26子コメント)

Fair enough.

It's a tough situation because on the one hand, I imagine management does not want to publicize the dismissal of an employee. That said, this employee was very involved in the community, so it's sort of tough to let that go unaddressed.

In any case, I was happy to take the interview to get management's perspective, which was lost in a lot of the chaos of yesterday.

[–]jaykeith 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your interview was good, no dispute there. It's pretty obvious to many on Reddit, especially those of us who've been here a long time, that Pao has little interest in upkeeping the community and product that she inherited. That is obvious in her lack of ability to communicate with any of us effectively.

[–]Endless_September 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Again not the point. The main anger is not that Victoria was fired but instead how reddit admins handled the situation. Their poor management speaks to a much deeper degree about the mismanagement going on within the upper tier of reddit. This compounded with other recent debacles and poor dealings that have happened in the past 6 or so months and you can begin to understand why the users of reddit want to hear from the admins how they are going to stop/fix this rash of bad community relations.

And the admins response is to not even try and talk to the user base and instead reach out to their investors and others outside so they can put on a brave face and say "All is well here. All is quiet on the western front."

[–]MikeIsaacNYT Journalist 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gotcha.

What they told me yesterday is that they were hiring people to change what they characterized as their own poor communication.

I have no idea how that will work, I guess that's up to the community to decide. Take that how you will.

[–]emoteo876 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

The perspective of the management was lost because it was never given.

[–]AntithesisDfear his polite smile[M] 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

User has been verified.

[–]NappingisBetter 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

Do you think that was more appropriate than making an announcement to the users directly on our page?

[–]IllusoryIntelligence 97ポイント98ポイント  (10子コメント)

Given what she's done before I don't think Pao knows how upvotes work.

[–]bigfondue 109ポイント110ポイント  (29子コメント)

That's what blows my mind about this. If she would've engaged the community , she wouldn't be as hated as she is now. It wouldn't take much to win reddit over, but instead she remains silent to the users that make reddit what it is. The users of the site are the greatest asset and by ignoring them, she proves that either she doesn't understand how social media works, or that her only goal is money and self promotion. I tend to lean toward the later.

[–]Risingashes 148ポイント149ポイント  (14子コメント)

She's a professional victim.

Engaging with people she considers subhuman wouldn't occur to her.

[–]FuiseogCobalt 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

I have a feeling getting fired was always a plan B for her, another opportunity for her and her 'husband' can file a discrimination lawsuit.

[–]Rossums 32ポイント33ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well she was clearly ready for a fight, she was only meant to be interim CEO while they found someone actually suited to the job and she's all 'you can take the position from my cold, dead hands' to the board who don't know any better.

[–]fixalated 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I do feel that she believes the users are the problem with this site.

[–]KToff 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

I upvote stuff like because i support those that complain. I did not know who Victoria was before and if tomorrow everybody shuts up about it I won't make a new post or meme.

To say I'm not interested is not quite accurate, but to say I'm vocal about it would be even more wrong.

But my point was that it is irrelevant that the vocal part is a minority because this particular minority is responsible for way more than their share of content and it is their work which keeps the majority on this site. So is you piss that minority off to a degree that they don't participate, you chase away a much larger portion of your users.

[–]honey_pie 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, the 'vocal minority' in her head are the people that actually have an account.

[–]decrepitgnome 100ポイント101ポイント  (11子コメント)

True. Im the nonvocational minor.

[–][deleted] 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

I sometimes upvote stuff, am I vocal?

[–]OCDPandaFace 51ポイント52ポイント  (3子コメント)

Eh, you're like a yapping dog in the background of the city noise at night in spring when it's about to rain.

[–]Cthulhumanism 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. The vast majority of reddit users don't post, don't comment, don't vote, and don't have an account.
It's merely the people who create the reddit community and its content who are unhappy.

In short: she has no idea how social media works.

[–]Demonweed 118ポイント119ポイント  (5子コメント)

I suspect the people she pays to explain to her what is actually happening function instead as the people she pays to tell her she is amazing and all of her decisions are brilliant. Anyone even slightly competent around her should be extremely alarmed at this point.

[–]Bampari 58ポイント59ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would love to spend 5 minutes at reddit HQ. I suspect that no one is looking anyone else in the eye.

[–]outtawork 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well just so long as you stay for the 2 minutes hate!

[–]0x1c4 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh, seems like a normal office.

[–]trongable 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems obvious, but affected and and interested are not exactly the same thing...

[–]Sivarian 405ポイント406ポイント  (5子コメント)

NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG DO YOU WANNA GET SUED BUDDY

[–]Mondayexe 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on if people can actually afford lawyers. :P

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 371ポイント372ポイント  (49子コメント)

Sure, Ellen. That's why the frontpage has been dominated by threads criticizing your mismanagement of the site from more than a dozen different boards.

It's just a 'vocal minority' browsing every major board, right?

I'd love to meet the kind of dipshit that believes lies like this. Mostly so that I can ask them to give me the $10,000 I need to pay for legal fees access the inheritance of my uncle, a billionaire Nigerian prince.

[–]evilarhan 60ポイント61ポイント  (4子コメント)

I suspect it's more likely spin than conviction. She's bound to know what the facts are, but she's not going to admit it to the NYT.

[–]honey_pie 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people don't even have an account. Therefore most people can't disagree with her. Ever.

[–]MrPejorative 909ポイント910ポイント  (40子コメント)

There are certainly a large number of reddit users uninterested in the drama. This much is true. They're the silent majority, who just just want to click and see some content or read some opinions.

Unfortunately for reddit's future, the vocal minority are the content makers, and the silent majority will just follow them instead.

[–]JasonGD1982 209ポイント210ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah I get what she is saying but the vocal minority are the people that care the most and really make reddit what it is. I haven't been super vocal either but this whole thing is crazy. I'm sure many who aren't vocal feel the same way. I feel she is completely twisting up what's going on here. Man to be a fly on the wall listening to her inner thoughts and feelings would be awesome. So out of touch.

[–]pigeonburger 71ポイント72ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yep! The 1% rule of online communities: for every 100 users, 90% are lurkers, 9% are contributors (on Reddit, commenters) and 1% are content creators.

Sure, most of the lurkers don't really care, but most content creators and a large chunk of the contributors are pissed. If they leave, the number of lurkers will correct itself for this rule to hold.

[–]hugrr 94ポイント95ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup, the "vocal minority" that took a stand, the blatant leaders of the revolt, were the moderators that run the sub's. Calling those people (that do it for free) a vocal minority shows how out of touch she is.

Any admin that supports this ignoramus as CEO needs to leave with her, there is no logical reason for them to be here when they have no understanding of what this place is. And if what they are is the future, then the future for Reddit is bleak.

[–]batardo 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. If you lose this vocal minority, you also lose the silent majority. This silent majority isn't going to suddenly start creating content, becoming mods and running the site. They're silent because they see it as entertainment to be consumed, not produced.

[–]DestroyedArkana 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. All the dedicated mods who actually want to create a good place for discussion, and people who want to show and create content for free are the ones really rightfully upset here. The majority of users could use any site to get funny pictures or read headlines, but use reddit because it's been very solid... up until Ellen was put in the CEO position.

[–]iribrise 1503ポイント1504ポイント  (105子コメント)

So my boyfriend and his dad come home from work today, we're enjoying lunch as dad checks his reddit-- a website that his son has regretted showing him from day 2, but which his father enjoys regardless. Dad is an r/adviceanimals man, because he has dad humor.

Anyway. Dad makes comments as he browses his subreddits: "Wow, people are picking on reddit today."

"A lot of jokes about pitchforks."

"Who is Tyler-- Taylor-- Victoria Taylor?"

At this point, I went ahead and explained.

If my boyfriend's r/AdviceAnimals-browsing father saw what was happening and was interested in talking about it, people are fuckin' talking about it.

[–]Slowik13 633ポイント634ポイント  (39子コメント)

She's doing damage control. The best thing she can do right now is make it sounds like no one gives a shit about what's happening here. If she does that, she makes people who don't know jack shit about Reddit think the pissed off party (Redditors/mods at large/anyone who isn't the management) is insignificant. It will also make some people who are pissed off feel like there's not enough angry people to make a difference.

She's also trying to make it look like she and her cronies didn't just piss off a solid chunk of the user base. Reddit is a user-driven site - its success relies very heavily on us shitlords coming here to shitpost/discuss shit/etc. If the rumors are true and the management is looking to sell Reddit, conflicts with users are not going to look good. No one wants to invest in a failing/dying company.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 200ポイント201ポイント  (22子コメント)

It's Alinsky rule 12: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)"

[–]OptimusCrime69 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's what the Arab regimes did during the Arab Spring a few years ago. They'd dismiss protesters as an extremist minority.

[–]AviatorBloggins 290ポイント291ポイント  (51子コメント)

My wife asked me about it and she still has a hotmail email address.

[–]LesFleursx 123ポイント124ポイント  (43子コメント)

Am I a luddite for using hotmail :(

[–]kfms6741VIDYA AKBAR 48ポイント49ポイント  (27子コメント)

You're not the only one. I still have and use my Hotmail account, mostly because even though I have an Outlook account, I don't really feel like switching to it.

[–]MGWhat 32ポイント33ポイント  (23子コメント)

I still use my yahoo account that I've had for about 15 years

[–]RavenscroftRaven 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

I keep my ancient ones as burners, no shame in it. Also if you're well-established with it, it can take effort to switch over.

No luddite yet. But keep watch. If you begin to fear watermill-powered butter churns, seek technological help immediately.

[–]scatmanbedebobboop 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

My girlfriend has asked me a few different times today how things on Reddit are going. She never uses it, but she understands that it's a very influential website and that I spend a lot of time here.

I've had lurker friends texting me saying how fucked this place is.

It's not just the "vocal minority" that is unhappy.

[–]thekindlyman555 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

My dad who doesn't even use reddit told me he heard a story on the radio or the news about it today after I gave him a brief summary of what was going on this morning.

[–]JereTR 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

NPR even had a section in their breaking news about all this.

[–]mancubus314159 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Curious how many fucks he gave to your explanation?

[–]FullMetalBitch 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

What happened yesterday was in international newspapers (other than English speaking countries newspapers). It was a big deal.

[–]bougabouga 3594ポイント3595ポイント  (562子コメント)

She cannot be this stupid, I refuse to believe she is this stupid.

If she can tie her own shoes, then she is smart enough to know that the Reddit community does care about what happened in the last 48 hours.

[–]DONT_PM 1780ポイント1781ポイント  (315子コメント)

This is her "attempting" to cover her ass. She submitted an apology to buzzfeed. She's now quoted as saying this shit to NYT. She really is that stupid.

[–]well_golly 245ポイント246ポイント  (28子コメント)

Exactly. Her bosses don't read Buzzfeed, they read the Times.

She wants her bosses to hear that the users are just dummies who don't "get it," and that she's a genius who should keep on running a website she can barely even use.

[–]nmotsch789 115ポイント116ポイント  (19子コメント)

How quickly people forget that she tried to link to a goddamn private message.

And then deleted the comment thread of people making fun of her.

[–]CountVonVague 467ポイント468ポイント  (158子コメント)

Is there any possibility that the admins will say "to hell with these mods" and force replacements on any of the subs that went Dark? It largely sounds like the whole "business for profit" aspect is the angle Pao is going for ( and was hired for ), and acting as if the attitudes of "the user-base" can be ignored by corporate.

How many of the "most virulent detractors" would you say there are? Why do Pao and Ohanian seem so confident? The fact is this IS a "private company" so that Does mean the public really is in many ways "just using it". But if it's propped up only by people who WANT to prop it up ( volunteer mods ) how is Corporate going to sway their minds if those mods become fed up with being treated like Recycling??

[–]MuNgLo 130ポイント131ポイント  (20子コメント)

How many of the "most virulent detractors" would you say there are?

Enough to make Reddit's competitors have big issues with increased load from new users.

[–]well_golly 75ポイント76ポイント  (3子コメント)

This part here shows exactly how much contempt she has for the entire upvote/downvote system that is the core of this entire site.

If thousands and thousands of people are upvoting dozens and dozens of angry articles - well, that's not a "real" figure. That doesn't show their "real" opinions.

But how do we find out their real opinions? It's simple:

"Ban large groups, shadow ban countless users, and manually "sculpt" the Front Page. Then you'll know what the users truly think. This silly upvote/downvote system is a joke! Who dreamed up that bullshit!? I don't trust it, and I don't like it."

-Ellen Pao (by her actions, rather than words)

[–]Farlo1 432ポイント433ポイント  (108子コメント)

But if it's propped up only by people who WANT to prop it up ( volunteer mods ) how is Corporate going to sway their minds if those mods become fed up with being treated like Recycling??

Here's your answer:

We hired 5 more people for our community team in total to work with both the community and moderators. We are also making changes to reddit.com, adding new features like better search and building mobile web, but our testing plan needs improvement. As a result, we are breaking some of the ways moderators moderate.

They're gonna take control of the default/popular subreddits and replace moderators with employees.


Edit: I don't think entire mod teams will be replaced, but I suspect a "super mod" position of some kind will be instituted and an the employees will act as corporate's veto power over the sub to ensure that any native advertisement runs smoothly and dissent is dealt with.

[–]wowww_ 334ポイント335ポイント  (50子コメント)

As a result, we are breaking some of the ways moderators moderate.

They're gonna take control of the default/popular subreddits and replace moderators with employees.

That would not surprise me one bit.

They won't let this kind of blackout of reddit happen again. Ever.

[–]ChristoferRudd 292ポイント293ポイント  (29子コメント)

Makes sense. It probably feels like shit that your multi million company is a hostage to the volunteers that did all the work.

[–]flaim 136ポイント137ポイント  (26子コメント)

they do it for free

[–]well_golly 67ポイント68ポイント  (14子コメント)

She'll solve this one way or another. I point to Reddit's ancestor, Digg as an example:

FACT: There has been no major uprising/disruption at Digg this year.

So going on that model, all Ellen has to do is turn Reddit into Digg redux, and the pesky protests on Reddit will die out (along with the site.) It'll be nice and quiet.

Problem solved. That's just Ellen Pao science right there.

[–]ReverendSin 63ポイント64ポイント  (11子コメント)

I came to Reddit because of Digg shitting the bed, Digg was the first big link aggregate I visited after years of 4chan, Something Awful, General Mayhem and the assorted special interest forums that survived the 90's.

I'll jump to the next thing if Reddit corporate goes full retard.

[–]ViggoMiles 73ポイント74ポイント  (2子コメント)

Furthermore, the ama group is disenfranchising the admin support. This is supposedly due to the community team only revealing part of the process they plan to implement.

[–]vonmonologue 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Will they gang AMA or will they make a new "official" AMA sub and direct celebs there.

[–]pinklavalamp 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They basically said (IIRC) "the new system is broken (since Victoria left), so we're saying 'Screw that', if you want to do an AMA, email us at this gmail address."

[–]dageshi 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

They don't have the numbers to moderate the top subs, also they're all geographically based in North America and increasingly in SF, they're not going to be able to moderate 24/7 in the way that geographically diverse volunteers can.

[–]Farlo1 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe not completely replace, but I expect we'll see some kind of "super mod" position where an employee is assigned to a subreddit and acts as one of the moderators, only with a lot more power.

[–]Nylockeee 117ポイント118ポイント  (25子コメント)

Woah, that's some 1984 shit. Mods rebel? We'll just replace you with employers that have their career to lose if they rebel against us.

We are also making changes to reddit.com, adding new features like better search and building mobile web, but our testing plan needs improvement. As a result, we are breaking some of the ways moderators moderate.

^ total cop out, what the hell is their "testing plan" anyway? What do mods have to do with how a mobile user uses reddit or what they search for?

[–]well_golly 69ポイント70ポイント  (10子コメント)

Well, her new policies have made me "mobile." I've been on Reddit for years, but now I spend more time on Voat than I do on Reddit.

Ellen's policies (including this plan for admins to drown mods in buckets like so many unwanted puppies) have made me "mobile" in that I'm steadily "moving" over to Voat. Fleeing implies mobility.

[–]nybbas 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

That sounds a hell of a lot more fucking expensive than just keeping the secret santa guy, and victoria on payroll...

[–]Taedirk 43ポイント44ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not like the new hires could negotiate their salary or anything.

[–]mansplain 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

i wonder if they were all men, that would be toppest of keks.

[–]TheDiabeetle 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

They mentioned searching and mobile because they know that those have always been big complaints about Reddit. They don't plan on actually doing anything about them.

[–]nstock 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're exactly right. This is a ruse. The powers that be think we are easily manipulated as a user base; and I hate to say it but looking at the front page right now that may be right.

[–]BigDiggerNick74 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

I definitely think this is next. Reddit shot themselves in the foot by allowing a handful of mods to control so many important subs. They won't make that mistake again.

[–]theseleadsalts 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, as of the time of my post here, the change.org petition has something like 80,000 signatures. So there's that...

[–]SuperSaiyanVagina 167ポイント168ポイント  (40子コメント)

She submitted an apology to buzzfeed

She never went to the community itself with any attempt at an apology despite this incident being 10x worse than the FPH debacle. The terrible PR without the slightest whiff of damage while continually downplaying (instead of mollifying) the users feelings about it has only thrown gasoline on the conflagration.

In either case, given the huge exposure from the blackout and the direct mocking of the CEO from defaults like /r/pics and /r/funny, I imagine almost any move they make from here on will be intensely scrutinized and even the slightest slip-up widely bitched and moaned about. "The CEO is terrible" is approaching meme status among the average default user at this rate.

[–]Kyoraki 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it kind of sickening as well, that instead of actually addressing the reddit community itself she runs off to the press.

Ellen Pao couldn't give two shits about Reddit.

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 46ポイント47ポイント  (21子コメント)

How does an incompetent woman like her even get into such a position? How?

[–]TeddyPickNPin 66ポイント67ポイント  (8子コメント)

She was an original investor in reddit, I hear. And the original founders highly recommended her. I don't know if they hold by that now, but hey. She's a very bad CEO, by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm 99% percent sure that she just assumes every redditor is a sexist neckbeard and laughs it off.

[–]boa13 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

And the original founders highly recommended her. I don't know if they hold by that now, but hey.

Considering how one of the two original founders, still on board, reacted to the events ("popcorn time!"), I think he's fine with it. (The other has been uninvolved with Reddit for a while.)

[–]only_your_enemy 15ポイント16ポイント  (55子コメント)

And a Times article which quoted Alexis more than her, thankfully.

[–]Bampari 38ポイント39ポイント  (54子コメント)

They quoted her and him equally, but they also quoted /u/karmanaut (suggesting that someone at the Times knows enough about reddit to know who to quote as a "representative disgruntled user") so the sum total is that there are more quotes acknowledging the problem than sweeping it under the rug.

[–]MikeIsaacNYT Journalist 94ポイント95ポイント  (31子コメント)

Hi, author of the article here.

I'm glad you pointed that out, because I was looking for users who represent at least some portion of the community who were upset by the decisions made by management.

I've actually been using reddit regularly for about five years, so I'm fairly well-versed in some of the culture and the regulars on the site (as well as some of the in-jokes and meta-references).

Karmanaut is someone I've known of for quite some time, so his (or her?) words held a certain amount of weight.

[–]went_full_retard 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hi. Times subscriber, and reddit member for about six years. I have a comment and a question: Thanks for being being a redditor and using your experience and wisdom to allow for a more nuanced article. I'm glad to see "one of us" is reporting on us. That being said, do you feel like you can give a neutral perspective? If you have been redditing for 5 years, I would think maybe you would already have some pretty heavily established opinions about reddit.

[–]MikeIsaacNYT Journalist 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think that's a fair question.

I think it sort of depends on how you look at Reddit, and how one uses it.

On the one hand, it's a passive form of media to be consumed and browsed, and I am no more or less acceptable than, say, our TV reporters who watch television and reports on the state of affairs in the TV industry.

But that's a little too simplistic. Reddit is obviously a tight-knit community, with its own social norms and faux pas. And it is infinitely divisible among the many subreddits, each with their own norms and faux pas. That takes a certain level of sophistication and familiarity in order to navigate well.

I would say I am no more biased than a political writer who has been steeped in the language and culture of D.C. for years, or someone on the Metro Desk on the police beat, who spends their time hanging out in cop bars and precincts. Reddit, in a sense, is where I have spent my time developing my beat.

My point is, I believe the best journalists are very well-versed and immersed in their surroundings, while also trying to maintain an air of impartiality.

Hopefully that makes sense.

[–]FSMhelpusall 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does. And I accept it's not an easy answer, personally.

[–]Slowik13 414ポイント415ポイント  (45子コメント)

Not sure if she knows how to tie her own shoes, given that:

  • the management fired Victoria

  • she fired someone because cancer

  • she tried to link to a PM

  • she (for some reason) has been hiring more marketing/finance people than programmers/webdevs/software developers to run the fucking site

In any case, she's not smart enough to run a tech company. She is, however, smart enough to know that if she wants to sell Reddit, she can't have people talking about how a significant percentage of the user base is pissed off. Reddit is a user-driven site - it needs people to be here in order to be profitable. No one's going to want to buy Reddit/invest in it if users are leaving in droves.

Edit: Formatting 3:

[–]joshualeet 27ポイント28ポイント  (11子コメント)

  • she fired someone because cancer

Wait, this is one I have not heard about. Link/source?

[–]Kunkunington 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was a recent ama that the user himself deleted where he states that he was battling Leukemia and that he had met with her and she had talked with him about his recovery. There is a thread with it archived right here on kia.

After what seemed like a positive talk she later called him to inform him he was being fired since he'd be unable to work. After a second talk over the phone where she gave him an ultimatum that he's fired unless he can get proof from the doctor that he'll be fit enough. Before he even finished doing that she phoned him a second time saying he has been fired.

[–]SuperFLEB 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's not like she's going to say "Yeah, pretty much everyone hates how we're running things. I think we pissed off most everyone... buy our ad space!"

[–]LoKx 292ポイント293ポイント  (26子コメント)

Statistically she's right.

The vast majority of redditors are people who don't have accounts, and some on to see some funny pictures and could give a fuck less about politics.

That being said, the people who make the content ARE THE FUCKING VOCAL MINORITY, because they give a fuck about the content they create and foster.

It's like having a cow in a village, where everyone loves milk. You milk the cow and take a shit in the milk, because you're a fucking idiot. When people get upset about the milk, you go kill the cow and decree that now there won't be any shitty milk.

Which there won't because there won't be any milk.

[–]monk_e_boy 113ポイント114ポイント  (10子コメント)

If the 1% of creators move to http://voat.co the 9% of commenters will follow. Then the 90% of lurkers who don't give a shit about 'reddit' or 'facebook' or whatever the delivery platform is, will follow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

[–]icallshenannigans 67ポイント68ポイント  (4子コメント)

I totally agree with your point despite feeling profoundly stoned trying to grok your shitty milk cow metaphor.

[–]RarelyReadReplies 106ポイント107ポイント  (30子コメント)

It doesn't make any sense. Default subreddits are upvoting shit to the front page that is clearly against her and/or her ideologies. If the majority of people are voting in this way, how are they a minority? I think she made herself look worse there.

[–]aqwszxderfc 94ポイント95ポイント  (28子コメント)

The majority of the people on reddit does not participate in voting.

[–]Crona149 49ポイント50ポイント  (10子コメント)

The majority don't comment/submit (see: my history on this account) but we do upvote and down vote based on our opinions/intent of the sub.

[–]rsrsrsrs 70ポイント71ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's actually well known that it breaks down into a 90-9-1 split (I believe there's a name for this phenomenon online but can't remember it). So 90% only ever read, 9% take minor actions like upvoting/downvoting and 1% post submissions and comment.

So that part is true, technically only a minority is up in arms here. What she fails to realize is that minority (the 10% and more specifically the 1%) is what ends up determining where the 90% end up consuming online. So if that 1% gets pissed and starts leaving, like what happened to Digg, the rest of the 99% will soon follow, as always.

She's stupid as hell.

[–]TeddyPickNPin 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! That 9% is writing the damn newspaper for the town to see. And this issue is.. well, hitler, swastikas, and pictures of a former reddit employee.

Kind of a weird time.

[–]CuilRunnings 125ポイント126ポイント  (6子コメント)

She cannot be this stupid, I refuse to believe she is this stupid.

She posted a private PM as a submission. She sued one the biggest most female friendly VC firms. She is fucking stupid.

[–]altshiftM 56ポイント57ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's just proving that she doesn't even know her own product or user base. Still.

[–]HowAboutShutUp 70ポイント71ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well at least we know who got Steve Jobs' reality distortion field at the estate sale.

[–]AtomicManiac 38ポイント39ポイント  (23子コメント)

As unpopular an opinion as it sounds, I would wager that over 50% of the traffic to reddit doesn't vote, comment or log-in on anything. They just come here to look at stuff that makes them laugh.

[–]ebolafan 99ポイント100ポイント  (6子コメント)

She is a scapegoat. She will enact all these changes to make reddit more delicious for advertisers, then they will publicly fire her and everyone will be like "lol omg we won!!!"

But reddit will already be (already is) fucked.

She is only a lightning rod.

[–]jackieclay 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

What you say holds a lot of truth. She will soon be discarded and reddit will be made more marketable to advetisers because there will be more room to create a "safe space."

[–]shillingintensify 287ポイント288ポイント  (16子コメント)

the vast majority of Reddit users are uninterested in what unfolded over the past 48 hours

HAHAHAHAHAHA

So fitting she said to the NYT.

[–]LamprehTeam Dickwolves 219ポイント220ポイント  (11子コメント)

I have no idea how reddit works, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

[–]a3wagner 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, to be fair, the only people who are interested have to satisfy all of the following:

  • use reddit sometimes
  • own one or more working eyes
  • like cat pictures, dog pictures, or neither

So as you can see, it's a vocal minority.

[–]TheSouperNazi 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a fucking AWFUL demographic to market to, Ellen.

[–]mindbleach 277ポイント278ポイント  (10子コメント)

the vast majority of Reddit users are uninterested

Because they're vegetables, Nurse Ratched.

Reddit's silent majority don't vote, don't comment, and certainly don't add content. They're a hair's breadth from skipping over to Imgur and getting a straight feed for their non-interactive comedy feed in the morning. They might as well be on 9gag, for Christ's sake - and they may well be if that becomes a richer wellspring of image macros and unending reposts. The majority you are appealing to could effortlessly switch sites, because they aren't part of the community, they're just contented spectators. They will disappear the moment this site stops being the shiniest and jangliest keyring on the internet.

[–]Rude_NarwhalProfessional Victim Critic 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's what they forget. Something entertaining was around before Reddit. Something entertaining will come after Reddit. This isn't an end to an era, it's a natural progression.

[–]Cha0sfox 58ポイント59ポイント  (1子コメント)

Underrated comment.

The moment the next big reddit like site does well these people simply leave, as what happened at Digg.

If you don't appeal to the minority content creators your doomed, and I say that as someone who mostly lurks.

[–]mindbleach 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit has been allowed to stagnate in the absence of competition. There's Pinterest, which is like reddit for middle-aged women plus Tumblr for people who hate politics, but its web design is aggressively bad. There's an endless avalanche of niche link-aggregation forums that will never choose to match reddit's ability to be all things to all people. There's a few reddit clones with no meaningful userbase (or no ability to handle a meaningful userbase). Nothing beside remains.

When Digg fucked up, reddit was already here, and it was already pretty damn nice. I assumed reddit would eventually fade away due to something better emerging. What a fucking disappointment the internet's been lately.

[–]GodOfAtheism 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well technically the mods of the site are a vocal minority...

They just happen to be the vocal minority that does all the unpaid labor necessary to keep the site functional.

[–]Irvin700 140ポイント141ポイント  (12子コメント)

Chairman Pao indeed.

[–]kalphis 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do not worry Comrades, any resistance will be freely crushed under the Glory of the Ever-Victorious Supreme Leader Chairman Pao!

[–]bl1y 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm a mod on a sub with more than 200,000 subscribers. Why should I have to learn from the New York Times that there's a new liason between admins and mods? Guess she hasn't been doing her job very well.

[–]KingdomThrowaways 45ポイント46ポイント  (16子コメント)

what's the deal with standing desks anyways?

[–]RavenscroftRaven 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Too many people said they wouldn't stand with the changes, so she made them have to.

[–]Logan_Mac 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

San Francisco don't know what the hell to do to claim they care about people/the environment they'd hang people upside down if it was trendy.

The show Silicon Valley has a few good scenes on this

[–]Paitryn 60ポイント61ポイント  (23子コメント)

well a vocal minority still in the tens of thousands is pretty big IMO.

[–]futtinutti 84ポイント85ポイント  (22子コメント)

Close to 75,000 have signed the petition by now and still climbing fast.

https://www.change.org/p/ellen-k-pao-step-down-as-ceo-of-reddit-inc

[–]jackieclay 31ポイント32ポイント  (14子コメント)

Holy shit. I signed that earlier today and it was only at 30k. Ellen Pao seriously needs to step down, it's the only way reddit saves face in this. Otherwise voat very well could be the answer should the admin of that site hire someone to handle marketing.

[–]wheest 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

yes ellen but if you market to that vast majority there will be nothing but cat pictures and memes left and even 9gag will become more interesting than reddit

[–]Duthos 97ポイント98ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fallacy of assertion.

It's not true, no matter how confidently or often you declare it.

[–]Its_not_him 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's very possible the reddit community doesn't really care about what's happening. Remember reddit or are something like 90% lurkers.

[–]1stOr3rdPlace 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Interesting how she talks to the press but not to her own website about this issue...

[–]Fr33zy159 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well she's right. oooohh a six hour blackout. Gee guys, I bet we cost them dozens of dollars of advertising revenue. In reality the ADHD kiddies wanted their dank memes back and people caved rather than standing for what they believed in.

In actuality too, people protested reddit by posting on reddit and increasing its popularity. So yeah nothing will change other than the cause of the undertone of discontent and people will keep begging for de upvotes and de gold.

[–]dksprocket 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

The vast majority of people who visit Reddit never comments an many of them don't even have an account, so technically that statement is correct . However the active users and mods who are essentially the site's content creators do care.

tl;dr: http://i.imgur.com/R3xTVvo.jpg