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[–]its_never_lupus 27ポイント28ポイント  (4子コメント)

They're attacking the open source community too and a few projects (Ubuntu and Gnome most visibly) have fallen.

[–]ac4l 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ubuntu, really? Thought that was more a matter of Shuttleworths stupidity trying to force a direction, and the lame UbuntuPhone.

Gnome I agree with, and I'll add Mozilla was far more visible (though there was a bit of a purge in the closing of Labs, but they kept that quiet for months)

Edit: Just went looking on the Gnome site for some links to show just how far gone they were, but it seems they have scrubbed the site clean of any mention of the womens outreach program they run. Other than a news post about changing the name to "Outreachy" (seriously?) and one page buried in the wiki, there doesn't seem to be any mention of it on the main or on the Foundation site.

[–]ZombieTesticle 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure it's not just trolling tbh.

Look at how the goons went about trying to troll Star Citizen's forums by proxy a while back. It's the same MO. every time.

The beauty is more in the theme. You troll with some superficially good ideas and you attract a bunch of other useful morons who do much of the legwork for you.

[–]exceed0153 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gnome fell because the developers/designers all lost their minds and started deliberately redesigning everything to suck. I don't think it was social justice people who did that.

[–]angryfuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Python as well, specifically anything involve Django.

I actually stay the fuck away from anything involved in Django because it seems to attract mild to extreme SJWs, plus far too much pandering to women.

I'm actually fine with women learning Python, but with the Django community evangelizes towards women with the intention that thing worth learning in Python is Django.

Fuck that noise.

[–]Anadis 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

I suspect it's mainly because:

  1. They pretty much control the left now, including the media and academia. This isn't just limited to America.
  2. Their primary opposition has been crazy conservatives.

[–]TheEmpiresBeer 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've demonized anyone who disagrees with them as a crazy conservative whether they are or not, and then force anyone who is generally liberal to agree with them under pain of being called a crazy conservative. There are still plenty of the left that don't like them, but they are so good at throwing around career-ending terms (racism and sexism) that anyone who disagrees that still wants to be considered liberal has to shut up or agree. It's a terrifying brilliant of them.

[–]XenoKriss[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent point - remember that GamerGate is a harassment campaign according to the same media Narrative that demonizes conservatives and men's right activists.

[–]theone89944k GET 35ポイント36ポイント  (22子コメント)

They didn't take over Atheism. They lost Atheism quite hard and were relegated to their A+ forums, which are dead.

[–]Splutch 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wrong. Atheism+ was the dividing line but not the stronghold. Freethoughtblogs is the stronghold and still rages on to this day.

[–]theone89944k GET 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nobody cares about freethoughtblogs anymore. They have lost a significant chunk of their audience and PZ Myers has been denounced by Atheism Ireland.

PZ Myers is a joke within the Atheist community and nowhere near the status of Richard Dawkins, who has routinely denounced and mocked SJW's (called them out by the term 'SJW' too). He's also below the status of Sam Harris. He's not at the level of popularity that many prominent Atheist thinkers wield.

[–]LeyonLecoq 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

People do care about other places that have gotten infected. Like The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast, just a few weeks ago I heard their main guy advocating for the 1-in-4 women are raped statistic. Then, when somebody wrote in to question it, he actually responded by saying that the numbers don't matter when it comes to this subject. This from the guy who writes Neurologica, "your daily fix of neuroscience, skepticism, and critical thinking", who constantly goes out of his way to shoot down things like alternative medicine treatments based on their low cost:benefit.

But when it comes to feminism, apparently all those critical thinking skills go out the window, and the cost:benefit ratio doesn't matter. Logically, and obviously absurdly, his argument meant that he thinks we should be equally outraged over 1 woman out of every woman on the planet being raped, and every single woman getting raped; that both these situations are equally serious.

They also do other shit like recently make snide comments about how sexist tim hunt is, etc.

Granted, these guys aren't 'official atheists', per se, but there's massive overlap between the "skeptic" community and the "atheist" community, with "skeptics" attending the same conventions, spending a lot of time shooting down the religious right's ridiculous arguments, giving sympathetic interviews with atheist speakers (the SGU has interviewed both Hitchens and Dawkins for example), you frequently see comments on "skeptic" facebook pages, etc., to the effect of "the world would be a better place without religion", and so on.

So the atheists definitely didn't win. Maybe it was a draw, but whatever it was, huge parts of the atheist/skeptic community bought the SJW-style appeals to diversity hook line and sinker, with the ones that didn't being widely demonized as misogynistic old white men (like Dawkins) who, actually, we shouldn't associate with anyway because oh my gosh they're so strident and divisive.

Note that I distinguish between active members of the atheist community, and the atheists who read books from people like Harris and Dawkins. The latter group don't buy the SJW bullshit, but the former group definitely has a huge amount of people that did... probably because of the effect that the OP describes.

[–]theone89944k GET 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, they might be SJW types but their power within the community is gone. I can't stop a podcast guy from being an idiot, but Atheism Plus's attempt to overtake and halt New Atheism completely got destroyed. Those guys running that podcast probably don't have a problem with Richard Dawkins either.

Atheism Plus attempted to discredit Dawkins and New Atheism and they miserably failed; the vast majority of popular You-Tube Atheists, such as Thunderf00t and The Amazing Atheist actively call out the SJW's and mock them; whereas scholars like Dawkins have already pummeled them.

Atheism Plus was an organised group attempting to push the SJW bullshit and they failed. So I don't really see the problem; the You-Tube Atheist community, which massively outguns these so-called 'skeptics' are firmly against SJW's/pro-GG whereas the SJW attempt at organizing a movement failed.

Even on Atheist forums, BS is called out and questioned like any other. So I fail to see how SJW had any meaningful impact on Atheism. To me, it seems like the organised attempt failed.

[–]Karmaze [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

End result of the whole Atheism+ thing is actually atheism as a movement is much much smaller than it was a few years ago IMO. People have moved on to other things that don't include all the social bullying and obnoxiousness that we've seen in that particular sub-culture.

That's just my opinion, as an active member of the Slymepit, which really is the KiA for the A/S community.

[–]Splutch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, and this happened, what, 2 months ago?

[–]ZombieTesticle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he's been demoted from prophet to apostle?

[–]CynicCorvus 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

pfft it was really a win for either side tho A+/ the sjws As have been dying off slowly while the the sceptic As are crawling along with small bursts every now and again

[–]theone89944k GET 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was an easy win for most Atheists, because A+ shot themselves in the foot by the way they ran their forum.

[–]jjkmk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can you give me some back story to it?

[–]theone89944k GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Atheism Plus was a group of Atheist SJW's who said you have to be Feminist, pro-Soc Jus, etc to be an Atheist; attempt to call Atheists sexist, their forums were so shit that the movement collapsed.

[–]salamagogo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not very knowledgeable regarding the atheism/atheism+ ordeal, but if the atheism+ forums/communities are indeed nearly dead, its just more proof that the sjw's aren't actually interested in the communities they latch on to, but rather see and use them as a means to an end. They only want power, and to indoctrinate the masses with their bullshit, man hating ideology. The last year has seen a huge shift against them though, and its been glorious to watch their influence steadily decline. People aren't nearly as afraid to speak against them as they once were. The veneer of inclusiveness and diversity has been peeled away to expose the true monster beneath.

[–]XenoKriss[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is precisely why I wrote taken over or attempted to take over

[–]senseofdecay 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

The SSA now openly includes "social justice" in its outreach statement. They've completely taken over a lot of the professional atheist organizations.

[–]theone89944k GET -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really; again, they have no power anymore. They just show up in bits and bobs; their attempts at taking over are very slim. They can push their ideology at a small level though.

[–]senseofdecay [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Do you even know what the SSA is? In most places, they're the only atheist presence on your college campus. I literally can't find an atheist meetup group here in NYC that isn't instead devoted to book readings about rape culture. Same goes for organized GLBT stuff.

[–]theone89944k GET [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it's on college campus then it's irrelevant; college campuses have had a PC vibe for a long time. In the UK, we have secular societies which don't really focus on that shit.

That's not an Atheist problem, that's a College problem. PC on college campus has always been a problem. Long before A+ or even before New Atheism gained popularity.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

professional atheist organizations.

wut.

I can't fathom why there is an /r/atheism, let alone organizations. I became an atheist in ~junior high school, the only people who heard about it were my parents when I told them why I didn't want to attend a given religious function and was summarily ignored.

[–]thegreathobbyist 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

They tried to take over Atheism, an ideology obsessed with fact, with feels. What did they think would happen?

[–]theone89944k GET 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't say Atheism is an ideology; it's a lack of one. They tried to force ideology into a non-belief and it was doomed to fail.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

They caused their damage, and had their fun, and then flew on by while the bystanders cried at the desolation it left. They're a locust swarm. They succeeded: They ate money, ripped up public opinion, and then flew onto the next field to continue their infinite hunger.

[–]theone89944k GET 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Atheism Plus lost the PR war, actually - not many credible scholars took their side and New Atheism carreid on.

[–]mutmekep 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Atheists like gamers only have a single thing in common but unlike gamers are not very passionate about it , A+ came in with a very strong rhetoric and a politics agenda that most of us oppose as much as theology. The same is happening with the gay rights movement , i mean that many atheists are indifferent (outside sticking it to the theists) and have minimal to zero interest about what others do in their beds/personal life.

To the sjw point eventually societies filter useless shit out and specifically western societies get easily tired of walking on pre-defined lines .

[–]Loftyz47 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

but even the idea (and it's usually a completely unjustified idea) that white straight males might at some point have places for themselves absolutely enrages them, to the point of wanting to destroy the group in question.

Made me think back to SJWs bullying the wizards, since their board could be considered a safe space for males.

[–]TuesdayRB 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You mean Wizards of the Coast, who makes MTG?

[–]murderouskitteh 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wizardchan, was framed via blatant false flag in the early days.

[–]bwv1056 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the (former) denizens of Wizardchan.

EDIT: Updated link.

[–]BrunoVonUno 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe he means Wizardchan.

[–]ReasonReader 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stop seeing Diversity as an end in itself

I think it's worth mentioning that inclusiveness and diversity are not the same thing. If everyone's welcome, then your group is inclusive. You don't have to say any mea culpas if you haven't met some SJW's quota for left-handed female eskimos.

[–]ExplodoJones 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how else will we have all the groups necessary to have a Progressive Stack?!?!

[–]CynicCorvus 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Think the main problem is the starting messages are always ' equality' and i mean who isnt against that? The communities are like yea we are for that ( and alot of the time are already pretty diverse) and so they go along to make sure they are seen as 'progressive' the problem is that 'their' equality comes with strings attached, which are used to grab power where possible.

[–]RavenscroftRaven 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shame for them that unlike most groups, gamers DO remember old propaganda techniques from the sheer volume of WW2 games out there.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem is that they make a bunch of unverifiable claims towards the "inequality" of the current situation that borderlines religious dogma, "microaggressions", "patriachy" etc. A lot of people just roll over thinking, "maybe everything I do is secretly *-ist, better list to these people and their insane whining".

[–]AspsVeryDangerous 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great post. You could clarify towards the end there the risks of pandering to SJWs eg. alienating your existing audience and being abandoned when the SJWs think the job is done.

[–]zagielCan apparently tell the future 0_o 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s

relevant

"SJW will fuck you up no matter what you believe in"

[–]BoxworthNCSU 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a great post. I just want to interject that the SJW seem to also not particularly care to join the communities they infiltrate. If SJW truly had a passion for gaming, they'd probably realize that their attitude was harmful to creators. The bloggers, on the other hand, are just after their bottom line- angry social justice clicks are easier to get than happy gamer clicks. You have to do research to get those.

[–]iadagracadefinitely not a black guy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJW isn't just political views it's behavior overall.

Our site being generally open to input and moderation we've had people try to influence others into getting their way. They might not be SJW but they did lack responsibility for their own behavior and only cared about getting their way not the well being of the site.

Declare they're not getting their way because of their behavior, keep them at a distance in your projects and eventually they leave despite claiming to care for the place so much.

If i had tolerated that mess I bet the site wouldn't exist at all or many of the founders might have left. One person did do a decent bit to help get the site going and promote it but he thought that immediately granted him the right to tell people what to do which caused a lot of unnecessary fighting. I'm talking dude would spend HOURS messaging me about people he didn't like expecting me to do something when i knew he was wrong too.

[–]DwarfGate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SJWs just pretend to be interested in stuff and act nice to people until they suck enough dick to get mod or admin powers. Then they do a 180 and turn into a fascist dictatorship.

[–]Agkistro13 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sometimes we GG people say SJW's are a 'tiny minority'. But other times we GG people say that MSNBC, The Guardian, the BBC, the Atlantic, basically all video game journalism, the humanities in all of western academia, Tumblr, and etc. have been taken over by SJW's. I think some people are in denial. SJW's aren't a tiny, loud fringe or we wouldn't need to exist. They are the new left.

[–]XenoKriss[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're a tiny minority with sympathizers in high paces. Just consider gaming - pretty much ALL the mainstream gaming sites are supportive of Anita, while most gamers consider her a bore, a scam artist or worse. Or just check out the polls I posted - most Americans reject feminism, but the MSM makes it seem like such a stance is beyond the pale.

[–]Agkistro13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But that's nothing new either. The left has always been a minority in the U.S. that manages to get what they want anyway. It's not a new thing at all.

[–]jjkmk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't see them ever doing it to metal, at least not in any successful way. There are so many genres and sub genres, and most of it if obscure.

It's also very diverse and international, some of the largest bands are from Brazil, Japan, eu,...

The only thing it would do is give exposure to the band's, and the one time it did happen the band ended up playing on the Ace Ventura movie because of it. http://m.noisey.vice.com/blog/we-interviewed-cannibal-corpse-about-that-one-time-they-were-in-ace-ventura-pet-detective

[–]troubleshootingc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mock them, don't mimic them. All you need to do.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:


I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]EliteFourScott [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Wow, I had no idea SJWs operated that way!"

  • Me nine months ago when this sort of information was becoming well known.

[–]Inuma -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I swear, people make this about a group instead of seeing the bigger picture and being blindsided by that...