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Fuck Pao, not Olly (self.freefolk)

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[–]DolgareGeneralissimo Stannis Baratheon is still dead 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 17時間前 (17子コメント)

[–]Lyanna__StarkREBELLION AGAINST EMPEROR PAOPATINE -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 16時間前 (16子コメント)

[–]DolgareGeneralissimo Stannis Baratheon is still dead 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 16時間前 (14子コメント)

Is there evidence of the censorship? I've heard that claim thrown around, but that's been about it.

Is there evidence she fired Victoria and didn't have just cause? I know a lot of the information hasn't been released(for obvious legal reasons) but maybe I've missed some of it.

I can understand the anger at the admins for not communicating better that this person was being let go to help the AMAs and everything continue to run smoothly.

I don't completely understand the incredible vitriol aimed at one person. Is it just because she's in a figurehead position?

I don't get the jump from "I disagree with a couple things that happened" to "This is an evil person that everyone should hate" without some major pieces of evidence that these things are true.

To use an example that people here are familiar with, I was all behind the "fuck /u/jen_snow" movement. We had clear evidence of her posts and screenshots of private messages to show what was happening.

I just haven't seen any of that with this Pao person. From a somewhat outsider perspective it looks like people wanted a target to be angry at so they picked one and just forced the story to fit that narrative.

[–]Ls777 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 13時間前 (0子コメント)

[–]glitcher21No one 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間前 (1子コメント)

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[–]DolgareGeneralissimo Stannis Baratheon is still dead 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 15時間前 (3子コメント)

Why does it matter what I am? I'm just a skeptical person that wants to understand the situation.

The censorship thing, was there a big wave of sub bans that wasn't talked about directly? I know when it happened, they banned FPH and a few others(5 IIRC). Then they did ban a number of subs that were just trying to recreate the banned subs.

The reason given was they were banning subs that were engaging in harassment outside of their subs. Both in other places on Reddit and outside of the website.

Now granted, I'm not going to instantly believe them 100%. But it seemed like a reasonable reason to ban a few subreddits. The nature of banning the subs made it hard to prove they were doing this, but in reading about it seemed quite likely that this happened, at least in some manner.

I tend to follow Occam's Razor whenever I can. The simplest solution is that the subs in question were engaging in harassment outside of their sub and got hammered for it. If Reddit was just trying to purge things they didn't like, why are there still so many horribly offensive subs allowed to exist?

I haven't heard about the cancer thing, or the Santa thing. I'd love some info on both.

I think angry people love to find any target to vent their anger at, whether it's deserved or not. I just want to get at the root of it and see if there is actual reason to be angry at this person, or not. Nothing she could have possibly done would warrant the comparisons I'm seeing(Mao, Hitler, Palpatine, etc.) but if there's real things going on here it can at least put it in context and make it understandable.

[+]Lyanna__StarkREBELLION AGAINST EMPEROR PAOPATINE スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 15時間前 (2子コメント)

There i found something for you

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3c0p3x/we_thought_it_couldnt_get_worse_it_did_reddit/

Yes, angry people like to vent their anger, its how they cool down. How do they get angry in the first place? Someone sues people for gender discrimination for no reason. Someone censors their internet. Someone locks away their freedom. Pao has no right to ban those subreddits, it goes against free speech to do so. So what if they are morally "wrong"? If the current Reddit management purged everything it didn't like it will lose 90% of its internet traffic within a year, once Voat gets new servers than can handle Billions of page views it will be the new Reddit. You should really check out other subreddits that didn't go private or get banned, they will shed light on this issue. People are getting silenced with threats with legal action and people are getting shadowbanned. Pao is becoming the internet version of Mubarak. You're either with freedom of speech, or you're against it. Pick a side, if you choose to be neutral its best you don't speak of this matter at all cause you piss people off.

[–]DolgareGeneralissimo Stannis Baratheon is still dead 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 14時間前 (0子コメント)

Thanks for the link. There's some good info linked there, although the thread itself looks like it was written by a 12 year old.

Pao has no right to ban those subreddits, it goes against free speech to do so. So what if they are morally "wrong"? If the current Reddit management purged everything it didn't like it will lose 90% of its internet traffic within a year

Free speech being protected is only about the Government being unable to censor you. This is a website owned by a private company, free speech protections don't apply here.

Also, the second half of that is why I believe the subs being banned was because of actual harassment, not just because they didn't like something. Because you're right, if they banned everything they didn't like, they would have to ban a ton of stuff and it would start to eat into their overall pageviews.

They did not do that, however. I can't figure out why they would ban FPH and 5 other tiny subs because they didn't like them, make up false harassment charges against those subs, and that's it. Why not make up those charges against Coontown and some of the other awful subs out there that have a ton of subscribers?

You should really check out other subreddits that didn't go private or get banned, they will shed light on this issue. People are getting silenced with threats with legal action and people are getting shadowbanned.

I'm not going to search every single subreddit on this website to try to find evidence of this stuff. It would take months. I've read info on a few subs, and nearly all of it is just linking to /r/OutoftheLoop or /r/Subredditdrama.

Who is being threatened with legal action? From what I can tell, the former employees could be, but I haven't seen evidence of actual threats. In the link you gave, some of the posts were supposedly being deleted by the former Reddit employee because they could have broken a deal the person made with Reddit upon their termination. It seems like in those cases it makes sense for potential legal action to be an issue.

Is there evidence of others being threatened with legal action though?

Pao is becoming the internet version of Mubarak. You're either with freedom of speech, or you're against it. Pick a side, if you choose to be neutral its best you don't speak of this matter at all cause you piss people off.

I'll give you credit for the Mubarak comparison, at least this one hasn't killed millions.

I haven't taken a side on the Pao issue because I value proof, and I haven't seen much. You talk about this free speech stuff like the whole world is going to end if we don't make a stand. I haven't even seen any direct evidence that free speech is being threatened on Reddit, let alone anywhere else.

As confident and passionate as you are about this, I would think it would be pretty easy to put forth enough evidence to make it undeniable. Instead you go with the "pick a side, either you're on mine or you're the enemy" mindset, which I've never seen put forth by anyone that was on the right side of any issue in history.

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[–]Fuck_OllyGhost, fuck Olly! 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 21時間前 (3子コメント)

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[–]Fuck_OllyGhost, fuck Olly! 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間前 (0子コメント)

[–]Orikon32Neither Jon or Stannis are dead. You'll see. 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 18時間前 (0子コメント)

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