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[–]m-p-3 485ポイント486ポイント  (158子コメント)

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Sup qg... Several of our old mutual friends have been keeping me in the loop and from what they have been saying things are not looking good at reddit HQ. The higher ups (executives and board members) at reddit are totally out of touch with the community, kn0thing included sadly. Ellen Pao barely even knows how to use reddit, let alone truly understand what makes it tick and what it needs to survive and the vast majority of the new hires rarely (if ever) interact with the community like the admins of old. And to top it off most of the current admins aren't even webdevs, software engineers or community team members hired from within the community anymore... they are outside hires, mostly marketers and middle management. Does all this sound familiar? This sort of non-core site functions staff bloat and loss of touch with the community is literally the exact same thing that happened at digg before v4. Apparently this all started with Yishan's retarded plan to close the NYC office (which may be why Victoria was fired, since she was the last remaining admin in NYC) and force all the remote working admins (other than those outside the US) to relocate to SF or be fired, which caused an exodus of talent and generated a lot of resentment even by the staff that were willing/able to move. The mood in the SF office has supposedly gotten steadily worse since then too thanks to some of Pao's bizarre decisions regarding hiring (she refused to honor several of Yishan's hires despite the fact they had already quit their jobs to join reddit), restructuring (can't say much other than she seriously fucked several long-term employees over.. don't want anyone to get in trouble) and salary negotiations (according to her, women can't negotiate as well as men so nobody is allowed to negotiate their salaries anymore). Damnit... I really wish spez would come back and sort this shit out. ...sigh...
p.s. ƃıdɹǝpıds ƃıdɹǝpıds

[–]elendryst 519ポイント520ポイント  (126子コメント)

This sort of non-core site functions staff bloat and loss of touch with the community is literally the exact same thing that happened at digg before v4.

I'm of the opinion Ellen Pao is restructuring Reddit to be sold to Facebook.

[–]m-p-3 351ポイント352ポイント  (88子コメント)

At this point they'll try to sell a ghost ship if this goes on. You can sell a domain name, but you can't sell a community.

[–]helpmesleep666 220ポイント221ポイント  (87子コメント)

Thats why I'm so baffled. If you're going to drive users away from a USER driven website.. what do you expect to be left with?

And its obvious too, just look at the recent submissions all over the site. It's not like they're going to look at their numbers at the end of the month and be holy crap! People are leaving.. ITS OBVIOUS, its all over the front page..

[–]d0x360 117ポイント118ポイント  (60子コメント)

The exodus at digg happened VERY quickly. In fact if Reddit was digg it would be empty by now so that says something about the community. It's much more diverse than diggs and doesn't want to go and is willing to fight for it. The problem with digg was that very few users became very powerful and could push anything on or off the front page so they redesigned to fix it and broke alot of what people wanted from the site in doing so BY ACCIDENT.

Reddit on the other hand is under assault by its own admins. The user drop off rate is going to be slow and painful especially since there isn't really a good successor yet...digg had reddit an already established site.

[–]dj_pi 110ポイント111ポイント  (18子コメント)

That's not true. Digg left in waves. People were already upset at the power users and the general circle jerking. The final wave was v4, the loss of the "bury", and the front-page was reddit links for days.

[–]sTiKyt 71ポイント72ポイント  (16子コメント)

I think the big difference between Digg and Reddit was that a lot of people might not understand is that the "changes" to Digg were an unprecedented level of fuck-upery. There was honestly no feature left un-fucked. Reddit has been getting steadily worse but it's still a usable website in most ways. In fact I'd say the reddit community has been more unrelenting to negative changes than the Digg community ever was.

[–]Nicoscope 84ポイント85ポイント  (15子コメント)

Reddit is useable mostly because of third party devs. If, say, /u/honestbleeps decided to bury RES, reddit would be fucked.

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    [–]Sylnce 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The only reason I haven't left is because I can't find a good replacement. I like the mix of funny, news, and wtf I get here and I can't find it elsewhere.

    I'm really just hoping voat.co becomes a new reddit and I can leave.

    [–]NickRick 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

    it only can if you leave. if all the users stay here, voat.co cant get bigger

    [–]Someonelessable 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Voat has got more than a handful of technical issues that need to be ironed out if its ever to be a worthy successor. You can't exactly migrate a community if the capacity isn't there.

    [–]RobbieGee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm just waiting until the technical stuff gets sorted out over at voat. I'm ashamed at the amount I used to browse Reddit before, now I just glance at it a few minutes each day. I've been here for 8 years and seen many changes. I remember when subreddits were introduced, if only I understood at that time how much of a dick moderators can become. Still, nothing beats an infection at the heart of the operation to kill it.

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      [–]monkwren 17ポイント18ポイント  (27子コメント)

      but... but voat! :p

      [–]stupidgoddamnjerk 51ポイント52ポイント  (23子コメント)

      Voat doesn't have servers that can handle the load.

      [–]rproctor721 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

      Yep, I'm trying to try it out today, but it's totally crashing. I wonder why? Seriously, if ever there was a day for them to show that they are the rightful successor to /r/, it would be today. To bad they can't handle the capacity.

      [–]humdrumrum 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Someone needs to take out a loan or some shit and get extra capacity, now would be the time to win users over. It also doesn't help that it's being attacked like 8ch and that other one.

      [–]based_nerd 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

      They've already done a massive upgrade, from a VPS to two servers. I'm not sure if that decision was budgetary or they didn't know any better :/

      I rag on them all of the time, but I think they could use some serious help. They chose a really shitty software stack though so finding help will be difficult (especially FREE help, since they're running C# on windows servers with a M$ SQL server backend. Scaling that shit is going to be pricey with all of those licenses. Really dumb move on their part.

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          [–]teuast 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I'm in the process of switching to Voat myself. Can't do it all in one go since their servers at this point seem to have the reliability of a gingerbread space station, but I'm going there and commenting when I can. That seems to be the general consensus, as well.

          [–]Krogdordaburninator 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They seem to be pretty good when not receiving an exodus of new people from reddit, unfortunately that's most of the experience that most seem to have with the site.

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              [–]GooberGobias 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I've literally unsubbed from everything other than KiA. I'm just here to watch this thing burn to the ground.

              [–]humdrumrum 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Might as well sub to /r/blackout2015 it is growing.

              [–]MaleGoddess 16ポイント17ポイント  (16子コメント)

              Reminder, DIGG remained and still remains profitable after everyone left for reddit.

              [–]nixonrichard 131ポイント132ポイント  (8子コメント)

              My 7 year-old has a lemonade stand that's profitable . . . probably gets more visitors than Digg too.

              [–]shitty-analogy 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

              ROASTED

              [–]HatredsBlazingGun 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "Mercy St. Louis Burn Center, this is Laura Speaking... Why hello Mr. Digg, how are you today sir?"

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                [–]blancs50 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Yeah, real success story when your sold for 500K after previously being valued at 175 million.

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                    [–]s33plusplus 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    My bet is on selling to Yahoo. They'll fucking buy any of the Internet's nice things, and if it turns out said nice thing isn't a money printing machine, they'll cannabalize it and shut it down.

                    I'm not seeing Facebook buying reddit after it's already engulfed in flames, they are generally pickier than that.

                    [–]thisotherfuckingguy 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yahoo

                    RIP del.icio.us

                    [–]HappyZavulon 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Yahoo

                    Wait, that's still a thing? I am surprised that place lasted so long.

                    [–]s33plusplus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yup, and a very rich thing at that. They're just terrible people who never get talked about because they're more of the pillaging type than the nurturing type when it comes to acquisitions.

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                      [–]DarkCrimes 25ポイント26ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      Could you imagine if you had to link your facebook profile to your reddit account? lol nope

                      [–]lookatmycamels 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

                      "in order to create a safe space, we're instituting a new reddit feature, "REALTALK". When you login, you will now login with your facebook account and your profile photo will appear next to all of your comments."

                      [–]NickRick 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      IN COMMUNIST REDDIT, WE DOXX YOU!

                      [–]phaseMonkey 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      And your IP Address, and GPS location.

                      [–]Skari7 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      and your home address, your family's address and your workplace phone number.

                      [–]phaseMonkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      And your kids names. Because kids are fair game if you're against the grain.

                      [–]Skari7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      While we're at it, better put in what school they go to too, just to be safe.

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                          [–]-PopeOfNope- 45ポイント46ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          It wouldn't surprise me if that was why she was brought on. Reddit has never once operated in the black, yet it's been online for a decade. Investors will only give so much money to a company that can't make a profit. The way they see it, if the company can't make money it'll die anyway, so some creative destruction is needed. And if they manage to sell it and make some of their money back, all the better.

                          [–]smacksaw 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's why they moved to SF. To be local to whoever buys them.

                          [–]hisroyalnastiness 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I think it's a never ending cycle with social platforms. Investors see $$$ in all the traffic and users but there isn't really a way (yet) to monetize that without driving them away. Even a small profit isn't enough to satisfy their greed, no they will basically keep going until things are ruined because the money they are looking for isn't really possible with any known monetization schemes.

                          Even goliaths like Facebook will never live up to the investor hype, they are just prolonging their failure by having barriers to migration (all the friends and photos people have on there, also the old people who move slower between platforms) and not fucking up as hard as Reddit.

                          I wonder if it's coincidence that all this stuff seems to sync up with stock market bubbles, investors/owners getting anxious to ramp up the monetization. It would fit with theory that the gestapo is in full force to sanitize this place for sale, gotta get a deal done before this thing pops and reality sets in.

                          [–]SugarsuiT 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Reddit is my anti Facebook site.. That's a terrible idea

                          [–]FukRPolitics 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Why? Facebook's model has nothing to do with this site. They can't sell use data here. They don't have enough user data to sell.

                          This is typical late-stage capitalism. They know that there is money to be made here. But they don't have the patience or talent to develop reddit into a long-term moneymaker. So they're instead going with a mob 'break down' model -- cashing in every ounce of credibility it has to make a quick buck before everyone realizes that something significant has changed.

                          [–]ICanLiftACarUp 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          They may not be able to sell user data, but they'll be able to track trends before they even trend. In the last few years, Facebook has become much more focused on being a source of information as well as a social network. They tailor what news you see from certain friends to mimick those that you get from other sites when you visit them, or click through certain articles on facebook. Their trending sidebar is a part of that.

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                            [–]regreddit 50ポイント51ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            Just to clarify, it's Sam Altman's idea that only good stuff happens in SF, therefore all reddit employees must move to SF. reddit is the poster child for a virtual company, but SamA is from the YCombinator school of 'If you aren't in SF you aren't shit'

                            [–]Wolfbeckett 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            I don't know much about Sam Altman, but I do read Paul Graham a lot, presumably he's from the same school. And that being the case, I have to point out that when Paul Graham says things that amount to "if you aren't in SF you aren't shit", he's talking specifically about software engineers and even MORE specifically about startup founders, and he has some fair points on that. I doubt he'd apply that philosophy to a company as large as Reddit, so I kind of doubt if Altman would either.

                            [–]Nishinari 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I find that funny because, looking at the software I use every day and consider indispensable (aside from the OS), all the best stuff is either from Europe (particularly Germany) or Seattle. Also some great stuff from Canada and Texas.

                            The stuff from SF I would mostly consider easily replaceable, faddish, and of questionable sustainability.

                            (yea, I got all autistic one day and made a list)

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                                [–]throwawayF845 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                they are outside hires, mostly marketers and middle management.

                                Seems like Pao is to reddit what Leigh Alexander was to those Sunset developers.

                                Way to go, Yoko!

                                [–]theaviationhistorian 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                So Pao & Co. not only attack, harass, dox, and mistreat those online, but they also create a hostile workplace. Even purposefully trying to sabotage one's company doesn't work as successfully as this. I'm guessin this is the evolution where Reddit suffers what Digg did when the community moved to greener fields at Voat.co.

                                [–]nav13eh 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                I seriously hope the staff working at Reddit that resent these recent decisions by the hire ups either all leave, or sabotage from the inside, because it sounds like a case of the upper management not giving a fuck about the community.

                                [–]seventhninja 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Sabotage? That's going a bit too far don't you think.

                                [–]GratefulUser 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                If sabotage is doing exactly what you are told, as you are told to do it, with full understanding that it will cause everything to burn in a magnificent fire, then I'm all for it.

                                [–]IAmTheSysGen 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It is called malicious compliance.

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                                  [–]wowww_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  If this is true, I see a dark future, for reddit.

                                  [–]Nebresto 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Im a noob, whos spez?

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                                    [–]its_never_lupus 429ポイント430ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                    Sounds believable. Definitely the bit about Pao not knowing how to use the site. Remember when she posted a link to a PM as a story submission?

                                    [–]HammableOfCarthage 187ポイント188ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                    And now we know Pao should have never been made CEO. She can't even use Reddit properly.

                                    [–]GeneralFapper 150ポイント151ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                    Only now we know? The day she was made CEO everyone was screeming murder

                                    [–]HammableOfCarthage 95ポイント96ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    People knew it was going to be bad, but not this bad.

                                    [–]leshake 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                    It's like she is actively trying to make the user base leave.

                                    [–]TomorrowByStorm 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    You're kind of right. She is trying to get some of the user base to leave. The more I look at the actions of Reddit over the last 6ish months the more it looks to me like Pao and Co are trying to push away "Core users". The people who care about what Reddit is supposed to be about. They want to cater to the people who check Reddit while on smoke breaks and on the bus to work for cat pics and dank memes. People who will not care, or more likely, wont even notice that they're being pushed paid for memes from PR firms. People who will see "Video AMA with [insert famous name here]" and not think about how it's been pre-filmed with questions that no one in the community actually asked in order to promote their newest whatever they're selling.

                                    Reddit is big enough now that if they can push away people who care about things like Free Speech, Egalitarian Ideals, and Old Reddit Ideals then all they'll be left with is the mindless horde of clickers to generate ad revenue and use on spreadsheets during monetary negotiations with PR Firms.

                                    Reddit: Look at these numbers. We can guarantee a minimum of 3 million people will look at your new ad in the next 24 hours, and at least half of that will read this puff piece of an AMA about your client!

                                    PR Firm: HOW MUCH!?

                                    It seems pretty obvious to me.

                                    [–]HammableOfCarthage 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yes, and it's to make Reddit worth less as to make the lawsuit involving Conde Nast get her more money.

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                                      [–]sushibowl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      relevant

                                      [–]niczar 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                      Why do you hate womyn of color?

                                      [–]TheTruthandtheAnswer 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      Asians are white, shitlord.Except when they aren't.

                                      [–]niczar 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Nope, they're not, check the date, 3rd of July, odd number, asians are PoC.

                                      [–]RadicaLarry 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Whitepassing

                                      [–]GeneralFapper 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Cause racogynyst

                                      [–]Tor_Coolguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Womyn of colyr.

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                                        [–]vecnyj 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        The story on that is that there was a private amin sub where you could post links to messages and she by accident posted it somewhere else.

                                        You'd think she would have deleted it though.

                                        [–]its_never_lupus 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Or known how the feature worked, or posted an explanation afterwards. Inability to own up to even trivial mistakes is common amongst socjus activists.

                                        [–]seventhninja 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Is still there?

                                        [–]Fernis_ 1095ポイント1096ポイント  (92子コメント)

                                        (according to her, women can't negotiate as well as men so nobody is allowed to negotiate their salaries anymore)

                                        WOW! Just fucking WOW! I had no idea you could be this sexist and discriminating towards both genders with just one decision.

                                        Slow clap

                                        This women is a master of sexism.

                                        [–]s33plusplus 463ポイント464ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        After suing over sexism no less.

                                        [–]Letchworth 124ポイント125ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        Just goes to show that sexism allegations are a red herring.

                                        [–]staytaytay 191ポイント192ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        I'll protect all the women by keeping their money myself. It wouldn't be fair otherwise!

                                        [–]BlundersuitMacGoose 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        The Bobby Fletcher Fund against sexism.

                                        [–]Awfy 140ポイント141ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        What's funny about this is Pao claims the discrimination is on the side of the employer during negotiations, not that women are worse at negotiating just that employers treat them differently. What Pao is essentially saying is she is a sexist pig who will treat women badly, so to avoid that issue she is preventing everyone from negotiating.

                                        The truth is, it saves them money.

                                        [–]thipp 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                        In all honesty she'd probably favor her female employees in negotiations, considering how sexist she is.

                                        [–]Danstrada28 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Actually she is known to bully fellow female co workers so not she would be more biased against them.

                                        [–]Redegar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        Yet no negotiations, since women are THAT bad at negotiating

                                        [–]HubbaMaBubba 99ポイント100ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                        This is confirmed by the way, she told some news site about it a while ago.

                                        [–]_pulsar 81ポイント82ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        And was somehow applauded for it by media outlets who ran the story. (at least the ones I've seen)

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                                          [–]Ghostise 29ポイント30ポイント  (42子コメント)

                                          I don't even understand what she is trying to say.

                                          [–]metsfan12694 113ポイント114ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                          That men are better at negotiations than women and, as such, they get better salaries than women. So instead of allowing men to get this "advantage", she got rid of all salary negotiations.

                                          [–]512austin 103ポイント104ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                          So it's either you work there, or you don't when you get a better offer from a competing company.

                                          That is definitely how you pull in talent in the bay area.

                                          [–]metsfan12694 16ポイント17ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                          I'm assuming they put in some kind of scheduled raises, but I guess I shouldn't assume anything with Pao anymore.

                                          [–]fooliam 139ポイント140ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                          Realistically, in the hyper competitive environment of bay area tech sector, removing the ability to negotiate pay basically means that anyone who is good at their job will jump ship as soon as they receive a more attractive offer. If a recruiter approaches you and says 'we'll pay you $10k more than you're making now, plus an extra week paid time off" you can't go to your boss at reddit and say "I've been offered this by soandso, are you willing to match it?" That's a salary negotiation, and reddit doesn't do that anymore. So, that person will just go on to the better offer because reddit will not even try to match it. This is going to cost them their most effective and talented developers, Web engineers, marketing, everyone with talent. And every other tech company knows it. If they want someone from reddit, they just have to make them a good offer and they KNOW reddit won't match it. On other words, by removing salary negotiations, Chairman Pao ensured the rather quick death of reddit.

                                          [–]ckiemnstr345 63ポイント64ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                          What this also does is open positions for the SJW faithful that would rather work for substandard salary in an environment they like compared to a working environment that might be hostile to the SJW doctrine.

                                          [–]gravitythrone 49ポイント50ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          So glad someone gets this. It's are secret-handshake promise to create an environment where there's no way of telling whether you're there due to lack of talent, or because you're martyring yourself in order to work in a "safe space". Pau is counting on it being attractive enough to poorly-adjusted SJWs that she'll have a big pool to choose from. The best part is that if it all crashes and burns, Pau and everyone inside the environment can blame it on external influences, not on a a market-fixed shallow talent pool.

                                          [–]mahaanus 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Or maybe she's incompetent?

                                          [–]gravitythrone 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Heh, I'm never one to argue with Occam's Razor. Cheers.

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                                            [–]MobiusBoner 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            This seems similar to the growing disparity you can see between League of Legends and other MOBAs coming out from real development studios. Riot has chosen to stock their staff with people passionate about the game, not people who are great at their job.

                                            Of the several friends I have who dropped everything in their life to move to Riot's HQ and work there, they are all borderline incompetent but make up for that by living and breathing league of legends. They are rabid fans, they are not talented programmers or developers. This is why you can see actual tech companies do things like rewrite the dota2 client and improve in leaps and bounds, while Riot can't get past an Adobe Air client that barely works, breaks every time they change everything, and lacks basic game features that they've been 'working on' for 3+ years.

                                            But they definitely do get their talent cheap, I'll say that much.

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                                              [–]Lrellok 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              https://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/

                                              That cannot be safely assumed

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                                                [–]512austin 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Raises don't get you shit. Hopping jobs does.

                                                But I don't understand how they can pay you market value if you can't negotiate.

                                                [–]TheCyberGlitch 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                There is research to back up this discrepancy, but that doesn't mean negotiations should be forbidden. A truly progressive action would be encouraging more women in the company to negotiate their salaries, rather than removing the option for all men and women. Shitting on everyone generally isn't the best approach to equality.

                                                [–]Vathoska 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Didn't the same study find that this difference was completely negated if interviewees were told their wages were open to negotiation? How about instead of ruining it for everyone you lift up the disadvantaged party? No, that's not Social Justice tm .

                                                [–]Iconochasm 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Every single thread about pay discrepancies I've ever seen on reddit has had HR types chiming in to note that men are more likely to ask for higher starting pay and raises - not better able to negotiate for them, but more likely to even try in the first place.

                                                [–]DrKultra 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I think they said that the word negotiation was the problem, that once it was worded differently (I want to say they got told they could ask for more) the amount of women who would negotiate went up considerably.

                                                [–]fooliam 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                If Pao cared about helping women in the workplace, she'd offer some kind of training in negotiation for employees, not remove negotiations altogether

                                                [–]Wolfbeckett 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Yeah, great strategy. Rather than helping the short people grow, let's just chop the tall people's legs off. Equality!

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                                                    [–]Cock_unblocker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    also that it basically says talent stay away.

                                                    [–]D3USN3X 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    Isn't she a feminist? Aren't they the ones who are supposed to be positive about feminity?

                                                    How is this decision not patriarchy 101?

                                                    [–]inter-loper 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                    The ideological extremists have come full circle. Its now okay for women to sexist to women. :/

                                                    [–]doyle871 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    As someone who's worked in quite a few female dominated offices women are always womens worst enemy.

                                                    [–]Tumblr_PrivilegeMAN 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    I have worked I.T. in multiple female majority offices, and yes women can be vicious, petty, two-faced passive aggressive monsters to other women. Sometimes it felt like they were trying way to hard prove themselves, that they assumed that because you work in a corporate environment you had to act a certain way. I was constantly having to avoid taking someone's "side", and I quit going to off-campus functions because the office politics would be played just as hard at the bar after work. These women were hardworking and good employees, but they had so much of their identity and who they were as a person tied to their job.

                                                    [–]1337Gandalf 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Seriously. I don't know what it is, but women are constantly playing tribalist I'll-be-on-your-side-today-if-you-do-X-for-me games, it's exhausting

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                                                      [–]OmicronNine 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Not in modern popular feminism.

                                                      Modern popular feminism is primarily concerned with harming men, even if doing so is at the expense of advancing women, or even harms them along with the men. Any harm to women caused by the modern popular feminist is simply blamed on men as well, since men are the ones to blame for making it necessary to attack them at any cost.

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                                                        [–]Thebearman319 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Maybe she'd be better suited as CEO of tumblr

                                                        [–]slimthigh 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I don't want to shake the ship but. Women ARE statistically less likely to negotiate for better salary when negotiating for themselves. But they are almost on the same level when arguing for salary for someone else.

                                                        This could be in part genetic and in part social conditioning. But it is a truth of our reality.

                                                        Instead of encouraging women to argue for higher salaries Chairman Pao decided to fuck over the women who DO negotiate for better salary and all of the men.

                                                        So progressive.

                                                        [–]inti-kab 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        that is feminism in a nutshell

                                                        [–]KingJigglypuff 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        Nah this is just basic stupidity. Actual feminism (like most other political ideals) is best when its not being dictated by stupid people.

                                                        [–]GreyscaleCheese 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Unfortunately the vast majority of new feminists popping up are radfem/third wave "drinking male tears" types.

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                                                            [–]SamwelI 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            It's a business decision under the guise of "equality". Of course a business wouldn't want you to bring up or renegotiate your pay.

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                                                              [–]Gnokey 175ポイント176ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              He's right about spiderpig.

                                                              [–]helpful_hank 52ポイント53ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I enjoyed that more than is reasonable.

                                                              [–]lost_garden_gnome 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Could you give me a brief explanation here, I've heard about spider pig before, but pretend I'm new.

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                                                                [–]GuyTallman 48ポイント49ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                The best part will be how this all plays out. I think those trying to sell reddit were aware of Ellen's dubious qualifications as they stand. But here is the advantage. There are two outcomes as they see them.

                                                                1) She makes changes, is reviled, but it turns out the community is all bark and no bite. Nothing comes of it, the company sells, she goes on being the focus of resentment.

                                                                2) Ellen makes changes, the community revolts. In order to appease the masses a sacraficial lamb must be had. Pao is let go, but no actual structual changes are made. People feel vindicated, sale goes through anyway.

                                                                Whether Pao fails or not at getting away with all the changes is probably irrelevant. It is the fact that people are banking on the fact that reddit is going to sit back and let it happen. This isn't that crazy of an idea though, look at the american public. Look at all the insane laws (patriot act) we have had enacted, and what was our response. Some protests and marching? We totally voted out those guys, this new batch will be way different. We are all staring at our monitors waiting for the revolution they know will never come.

                                                                [–]Maoman1 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                But see, a third option is happening: A significant portion of reddit is moving to voat. They're actively losing users. The only reason I'm not there myself is because it's crashed, trying to deal with the massive influx of new users.

                                                                ...And if they lose users, they lose advertisement views.

                                                                [–]volando34 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                Lol yeah, voat can't handle 1/100 of reddit's hug of death and has tons of design/admin issues of its own already. We need an actual alternative.

                                                                [–]perpetualday 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Exactly the same thing happened to Reddit during the Digg exodus. History is bound to repeat itself.

                                                                [–]Penguinicorn 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                Voat needs to do a kickstarter to buy some bandwith and get itself stable

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                                                                    [–]makemisteaks 512ポイント513ポイント  (66子コメント)

                                                                    The SJWs always thought that all the recent changes were about the admins agreeing with them and they were blind to what everyone else could see. It's not a personal ideology, it's just business.

                                                                    [–]FSMhelpusall 207ポイント208ポイント  (44子コメント)

                                                                    But whatever could go wrong when you censor evil, evil people like FPH?

                                                                    Edit: Whoosh

                                                                    [–]GreyFoxSolid 162ポイント163ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                                                    You open up everyone with a dissenting opinion to being censored.

                                                                    [–]smacksaw 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Then you censor the individual harassing offenders rather than ban entire subreddits.

                                                                    That's what I don't understand. Why go nuclear?

                                                                    Ban mods. Users. Remove it from /r/all and make it unindexed. There were so many other steps that should have been taken to ensure compliance.

                                                                    At this point I'm about to repeat the text in the screenshot so I'll stop here.

                                                                    I didn't have a problem with them getting FPH under control. At all. But that's not what they did, is it?

                                                                    [–]RisenDesert 60ポイント61ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                    It seemed like everyone's eyes opened to what it meant in the days that followed, I remember all the confessions about how people respected fatpeoplehate and what it's passing meant for reddit.

                                                                    [–]crankypants_mcgee 113ポイント114ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                    Yeah, I'm a fat guy and didn't like them, but FPH being banned for possibly hurting my snowflake feelgoods pissed me off royally. People can say and think what they want, even things I don't like.

                                                                    [–]flubbdubb 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                    b-b-but that’s offensive

                                                                    [–]Blutrache_tot 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    I'm fat. I subbed to FPS about 4 weeks before it was shut down. It motivated me to stop being such a piece of shit. It helped me be a better person and I'm thankful for that.

                                                                    [–]Thaedron 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Kind of odd how real harsh criticism can kickstart a much needed change, for those that can handle some mean words.

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                                                                      [–]fiah84 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      People can say and think what they want, even things I don't like

                                                                      I find your tolerance of intolerance intolerable! BEGONE!

                                                                      [–]ridik_ulass 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      and you know, If you were pissed, and you were emotionally legitimately triggered, thats fine too, its your right as a person to be offended, but when someone says, no, that offends this person, thats robbing you of your right to respond as you see fit and treating you like a baby.

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                                                                        [–]morzinbo 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                        First they came for the socialists...

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                                                                          [–]notLOL 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Fat SJWs are a target marketing demographic.

                                                                          [–]reddit809 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          FPH wasn't evil. Coontown is evil. FPH made fun of people but didn't celebrate mass murder.

                                                                          [–]HighAsDuck 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          I think you're making a lot of assumptions about whats evil. To many, censoring free speech is more evil than even the worst hate speech. In fact there really isnt a way to make an ethical argument to the contrary.

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                                                                            [–]FukRPolitics 55ポイント56ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            It's a bit of both. I mean, it is about making money, but it's also being orchestrated by a San Francisco clique of SJWs, and Pao does use ideological litmus tests as part of her hiring regime. so it's just not true to claim that ideology has nothing to do with it.

                                                                            [–]highlordbubbles 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            That sums it up perfectly. The SJW groups on Reddit are just the Separatist Alliance to Ellen Pao's Sith Lord; they thought they were in control, but they were nothing more than pawns.

                                                                            [–]Limon_LimeSeven-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            It was easy to get them to think that because they are blind sheep that follows any social justice bullshit. They are a cancer.

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                                                                              [–]MagicMangoMan 102ポイント103ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                                              I hope when the time finally come to sell Reddit, a) nobody will be interested in it b) they only get like 0.01% of what they want for it.

                                                                              [–]TheCreatorsCurse 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                              At the end they'll be selling just a name. Reddit is all of us, the whole comunity; they can sell a domain but can't force the whole userbase to follow through.

                                                                              [–]kaztrator 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                              I've always thought Reddit was a stupid name anyway. Just try saying "I read it on Reddit" with a straight face.

                                                                              [–]James_Knox_Polk 51ポイント52ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                              You say that, but I honestly care more about maybe reddit being saved than screwing Pao in the butt.

                                                                              Let's say Google or Microsoft or Facebook buys Reddit. At first, everyone will understandably freak out and be pessimistic. But what if companies with that kind of enormous resources are smart enough to put the right kind of people in charge of reddit and save it from the rapid decline it currently has?

                                                                              It probably won't happen that way, but I'm staying hopeful.

                                                                              [–]thomasakatav 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              I don't think Google or Microsoft would ever want reddit. Yahoo is more likely to want it and even then they would leave it to operate by itself like Tumblr(while introducing more ads). Plus Facebook would only want the data.

                                                                              And the amount of ad blockers the site has doesn't make it any more desirable to big companies.

                                                                              [–]HiddenHeraldreddit hipster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Reddit would be very prone to native advertising and paid shilling. Adblock can't stop shills.

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                                                                                  [–]Iron_Black 149ポイント150ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                                                  Occam's and Hanlon's Razor is telling me this is the most likely scenario.

                                                                                  Still doesn't change the fact that Ellen should step down. She has to be the worst head of a company since Masakazu Kongō. It's amazing to me, that they have used a simple formula to grow Reddit to what it is today, then in the course of a few months completely reverse that and expect it to continue to grow.

                                                                                  [–]bastion72 101ポイント102ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                  Hanlon's Razor

                                                                                  Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

                                                                                  Thank you for putting a name to that for me.

                                                                                  [–]DerberAuner 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                  theres an inherent assumption in there that people arent bad/malicious by nature. not sure i buy that. especially for pao.

                                                                                  [–]ckiemnstr345 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  It needs to be amended for people with type 4 personality disorders. Everyone in that group has zero empathy so they are always out for themselves instead of the group.

                                                                                  [–]thipp 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  I'm positive Pao and her husband are sociopaths.

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                                                                                        [–]GH56734 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        What did Masakazu Kongou do to cause that company to fall? The Wikipedia link just redirects to the company's name.

                                                                                        [–]Iron_Black 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                        It that after 50 successful generations, and being the oldest company on earth, he let it fail during his watch.

                                                                                        [–]GH56734 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                        I hoped for more juicy details about how badly he had to mismanage it to manage pulling this off, considering it was still profitable when he sold it.

                                                                                        [–]ChristianKS94 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I just read a bit about it, they were a temple-building company and the demand for temples was going down. Also seems like they invested heavily in real estate when they shouldn't have.

                                                                                        [–]noweezernoworld 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Crusader Kings 2 has taught me that even if you're supremely talented, sometimes events beyond your control conspire against your favor, and you end up getting assassinated by your second son. Or something like that.

                                                                                        [–]evarigan1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        He linked to a short wiki entry describing exactly what he did. He sold the worlds longest continually operating independent business, a construction company dating back 1400 years.

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                                                                                          [–]Thelazywaffleman 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          This is upsetting.

                                                                                          [–]princetrunks 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                          When Reddit started forcing their telecommute workers to go to San Fran or be fired during the transition of CEOs, it was bound to be an issue that would bite them back in the ass. A company that makes $ off the internet should know how to use it and drop the corporate / ego garbage. Reddit is where it is because it caught the people who left Digg.

                                                                                          [–]Izithel 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                          Can anyone even think of even one positive result of that move?
                                                                                          If you ask me they just wanted tighter control over their employees.

                                                                                          [–]princetrunks 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          yep, and the firing of Victoria shows that they want to make it a cliquey (and frankly hostile) work environment for a job that should never be taken too seriously to begin with as it's a business that rides off the coat tails of other sites/news and it's own community.

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                                                                                            [–]MRhama 41ポイント42ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            It is pretty bad to have asocial people in charge of a social media. If they do not understand the content produced they can,t create a good environment in which the media is imrpoved further.

                                                                                            [–]Akesgeroth 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                            This is looking more and more like Reddit got shot in the heart and is desperately gasping for air. Unfortunately, there isn't another website ready to take the load. Voat has had months to prepare for this and they're still not ready. The chans are too much of a different format too.

                                                                                            I don't think the lack of a competitor is going to "save" Reddit though. It looks like we'll just revert back to having many different smaller websites dedicated to different things instead of one big portal.

                                                                                            There'll always be the chans. To 8chan!

                                                                                            [–]95wave 44ポイント45ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                                                            PAO IS CRASHING THIS SITE, WITH NO SURVIVORS

                                                                                            [–]apocolyptictodd 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                            They expect one of us in the crash brother

                                                                                            [–]spatchboIslamophobic misogynerd terrorist 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            Have we started a fire brother?

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                                                                                              [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Archive links for this post:

                                                                                              I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

                                                                                              [–]AceyJuan 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              He's not a former Admin.

                                                                                              He even says so himself, for those who doubt.

                                                                                              [–]Cartesian_Duelist 28ポイント29ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                              I really should build a better reddit that isn't based on its framework...

                                                                                              [–]Ranzjuergen 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                              Or you help the voat guys. They are only two people.

                                                                                              [–]Maoman1 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                              Wait, really? Shit, no wonder they keep going down. I bet their servers have already grown tenfold since reddit started this shit, and it looks like it's still nowhere near enough.

                                                                                              [–]alecco 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                              Wanna join?

                                                                                              github/alecco/distchat

                                                                                              The idea is to give complete control to users and they get to pick which frontend to use. Frontends should be trivial to set up/migrate out of.

                                                                                              I've been full on this for the last few hours. I can't post on reddit about this or contact mods to give feedback, halp!

                                                                                              [reposting because link to comment is not allowed here]

                                                                                              Unlike other users, I don't see voat as a good option. Bad infrastructure, no credentials, very simple site. The community would just make some random dude millionaire for no real reason, while the content-generating community gets boot treatment eventually. Rinse, repeat.

                                                                                              I was working a couple of years ago on a distributed protocol of stories+comments where there could be multiple sites hosting it. Sort of very simple and fast messaging service behind a cloud of frontend websites. So for example, you have your IAMA server hosting /r/IAMA and a couple more friend subs with the same users and easier to navigate out within the system. A critical thing is giving each sub it's own set of admins/mods with complete authority/responsibility over the tree below them.

                                                                                              Frontends could be typical ad-freemium or paid or whatever.

                                                                                              As you can tell, I miss Usenet ;)

                                                                                              What do you guys think?

                                                                                              Note: I don't care about credit or fame or money, I just want to be part of a user-controlled free platform, for once.

                                                                                              [–]brody_legitington 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                              Sounds like a good plan! I think voat has the media coverage as of now and if you want to make a better site like you described, I would offer assistance to the guys at voat and try and shape it into a better community. They seem to be struggling with the exodus and could use some help.

                                                                                              [–]Kairus00 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                              Assistance? They need money, and server admins. Money being the most important thing here. This is the type of thing I do for a living, and they'd probably want to use AWS to scale out their site since that'd be the fastest way to expand (and shrink when that happens) their resource usage. Without money they're not going to be able to do that.

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                                                                                                  [–]bluekleankanteen 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Sorry, I'm just leaving forever. Goodluck with your petitions that never do anything.

                                                                                                  [–]DestroySocialJustice 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Kick the Pao to the curb, or we are gonna go Ferguson on this place.

                                                                                                  [–]_MUY 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  Holy shit.

                                                                                                  Reddit has finally jumped the last shark by hiring Ellen Pao.

                                                                                                  [–]gsdvubi 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  Is this real or another SRD/SRS troll?

                                                                                                  [–]PMMeYourPokemonTeam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  according to her, women can't negotiate as well as men so nobody is allowed to negotiate their salaries anymore

                                                                                                  It's for the benefit of women, everybuddy!!

                                                                                                  [–]JackalXCIV[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                  Dropping hiring a after they quit their job? What a sociopath.

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