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SOCJUS[Showerthink] I think it's sinking in more and more on the SJW side that the "culture war" they declared is not getting the win they want (self.KotakuInAction)

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So Recently we Saw Leigh Alexander almost yelling for people to stop talking about Gamergate

https://archive.is/nscmE

Well now we have another major figure on their side coming out seemingly with exhaustion over #Gamergate. This time the person who officially declared this a culture war. Ms Laurie "The Red" Penny

https://archive.is/Ffkql

The person who wrote this declaring it a culture war.

https://archive.is/Io4Vw

The aGGro side have realise, or are realising, the war they chose to start shockingly has had people fighting against them and ripping them apart quite often. They chose to declare war with the idea that only one side can survive and they seemingly tried their hardest to make that one side only the SJW side and to be completely dominant. It seems many of them don't have the heart and don't want to fight this war much longer hence they're trying to persuade Gamergate and other to back down first to stop fighting. It's almost certain as I've said before someone will try to suggest using Gamergate to fix X issues and fight for the SJW side in some capacity (which is pointless because Gamergate would be pretty hard to co-opt to use for anything other than what people are actually here for.)

In the end it seems the fatigue is setting in and the people fighting for the SJW side are soon to be backing down, It's funny as I'm sure most people here in Gamergate would be happy with the idea of co-existing and it didn't have to be simply replacing one status quo for another.

With the success of Hatred and the failure of Tale of Tales it seems like the SJW side are realising they no-longer have the tools to fight and prove their side should rule all.

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[–]Earl_of_sandwiches 99ポイント100ポイント  (29子コメント)

There's a very serious flaw in SJW thinking: they imagine that everyone they've "defeated" was also converted. Whenever SJWs got someone fired, or sanitized a community, or forced a public apology, they viewed their victory as complete. But their targets, while shamed or cowed or silenced, weren't actually convinced. Now, as the winds shift and the SJWs face opposition, their former targets are resurrected and emboldened.

GG is mostly a bunch of annoyed gamers, but we were the first people who truly planted our heels and said no, fuck you. The longer we stand our ground, the more we'll see our numbers and sister movements swell as former victims of SJW bullshit find their voices.

The lesson: if you treat an argument like a war, but you don't actually kill your enemy, expect to see them again on the ride down.

[–]fourthwallcrisis 47ポイント48ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's those shaming, doxxing and harassment tactics that brought me here in the first place - and before I knew it I was agreeing with almost everything here.

Every time something happens in the news to some poor scientist, places like GG and TiA get more support. SJW's are a self-defeating breed.

[–]Ssilversmith 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

SJW's are a self-defeating breed.

Take a look at their little cricles with the US SCs rulling on marriage equality. They were already starting to eat their own but now it's a feeding frenzy.

[–]Cloak_and_Dagger42 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you link something about this? I've got some popcorn here and that sounds like the perfect bit of chaos to watch.

[–]Fenrir007 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

What happened? Are some of the SJWs somehow against same sex marriage? It sounds really baffling if so.

[–]Todda468 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Their goal is to shock and awe, a fight isn't good for them, they don't want people to see any point in fighting, they want everyone they try to roll over think it's futile. GG proved that you can fight back.

[–]ProfNekko 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

they aren't even using shock and awe, it's just smoke and mirrors, they use their circles to create events, then play the events off as major victories regardless of how big it really was. They'll take a crumb and declare an end to famine. Their whole narrative relied on people not being able to see through the veil

Then GG came in with a fan, a hammer, and a disbelief in superstition

[–]vashlion 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

No...I believe the first people to plant their feet where they stood was the metal community. We've been through what gamers have been though. It's pretty much just stand there and they eventually give up because realistically these are entitled losers. They have no stake in their argument.

[–]Lugash 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You might be right. I had forgotten when Metal was the target back in the 80's.

[–]Jackmono 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I might be off on my timeline, but I think the first people to call bullshit were the STEM folks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So declaring your opponent dead doesn't mean they're actually over.

Who knew?

[–]AlphaWookie 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

GG is mostly a bunch of annoyed gamers, but we were the first people who truly planted our heels and said no, fuck you.

Wrong other groups have been fighting this culture war for decades. In general we are losing. Just look at the lack of academic freedom and group think on campus. Has GG passed any legislation, issued any executive orders, got any block grants, or corporate backing?

[–]Earl_of_sandwiches 36ポイント37ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't believe I said gg singlehandedly won the culture war overnight. But gamers and geeks in general are proving fairly unlikeable because theyve been imunized against the most effective tool of SJWs - shame.

All hegemonies end.

[–]throwawaydev400 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some also won, like the atheism community. These nightmarish creatures can be felled, they can be beaten.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also the Bronies, believe it or not.

(Secondhand information.)

[–]DT777 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone's playing a bit too much Darkest Dungeon.

[–]LordTwinkie 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen more and more come out about the stupidity of the campus bullshit, news articles TV interviews. I think the ride is turning.

[–]Ssilversmith 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is turning. Even if the schools aren't doing anything yet, the campuses and professors are fighting back. More and more of them are opting to write under their own names and then take the inevitable title XIs to task when they come. Some laws were passed or were drafted as kneejerk reactions, but clearer heads are slowly starting to prevail.

[–]iforgotagain42 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They will of course win the culture fight on campuses.

They're not taking actually challenging material. The nerds and geeks like us are going into sciences, business, comp sci and engineering, most of which either leave you no spare time, or are so competitive that in order to succeed you have no spare time. But fields that actually have a real life use and real life pay.

They're mostly taking journalism and gender studies. Fields that typically let them be a part time blogger or Starbucks barista, complaining how the the patriarchy is out to ruin them, not because they got hoodwinked into a relatively useless degree.

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has GG passed any legislation

If GG has hand in passing any more shitty laws than what already exist, I'm killing myself and taking few dozen of you with me. <3

[–]Lugash 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're wrong. Other cultures have successfully weathered the SJW swarm. Gamers are the first to actually come together as a group to expose them to the world.

We may not have passed any legislation, but in 10 months we did see the FCC implement actual ethics guidelines that addressed our concerns. Check on us in 5 years, if we still don't have anyone in office, I'll unreservedly retract my statement. :)

As for academia, I can't speak for the group obviously, but after the media I'm just assuming we'll fix academia too.

[–]zktr 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"There's a very serious flaw in SJW thinking" What? A flaw in SJW thinking? No way!

[–]randomcallsign 117ポイント118ポイント  (43子コメント)

gamergate is Stalingrad of the culture war

[–]CaesarCzech 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

and i got yelled for comparison to IIWW about 2 months ago. Onto the Final Push TO BERLIN COMRADE GAMER.

[–]randomcallsign 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

for glorious nation of gamergatistan. glorious master race.

[–]95wave 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

FOR MOTHER PC!

[–]Macismyname 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to glorious Arstotzka, comrade!

[–]bananaramarang 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

Gamergrad lol. Onward to Berlacademia!

Also, anyone find it ironic that the SJWs are the cultural Marxists, pc gamers make master race jokes, and were the ones winning >.>

[–]PantsJihad 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've yet to meet many on their side who can name more than three major battles in any conflict. They only study history to hone their skills at victim emulation.

[–]Niwjere 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

They only study history to hone their skills at victim emulation.

They only study history

study history

Excuse me while I try to stop laughing at the very notion that these fucks study history at all.

[–]GuenMakunikoru 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

But but,.. just 100 years ago, women, women were like treated as cattle!

[–]PantsJihad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Touche sir, I award you an internet for pointing out the fault in my logic!

[–]vonmonologue 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't study history. They study sociology. They don't even study sociology holistically; They study a very specific branch of sociology that was formed as a criticism of Marx's focus on the purely economic.

That's not even a conspiracy theory. If you look at the writers and thinkers they reference, you can draw a line straight back to late 19th century/early 20th century thinkers and their reactions to Marx's ideas.

That's why they're get referred to as "cultural marxists," and that's why they seem so ignorant of any aspect of history besides the dynamics of Europeans oppressing people. It's literally the only thing they've studied.

[–]parasoja 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Berlacademia

Berklin, if you will.

[–]genericusername348 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not one step back!

[–]AspsVeryDangerous 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

'Berlin Comrade Gamer' should be your flair.

[–]CaesarCzech 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Heh good idea. Mods could something be done about it ?

[–]ONI_Agent_Locke 28ポイント29ポイント  (16子コメント)

Actually, not sure that's the best analogy. Other than the fact that the Red Army was arguably as bad as the Nazis, it would imply that we were losing at some point and are continuing to a pyrrhic victory (the Soviet Union's success came from the ability to sacrifice millions of soldiers to beat back Germany).

A more apt analogy would probably be the Pacific Theatre. August 2014 was our Pearl Harbor, with the Zoe Quinn story and all the gaming journalists declaring war on their audience, and us building up our forces and sweeping across the theatre, fighting hard but always winning. Maybe Deepfreeze was our Manhattan Project?

[–]Inuma 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Nazis hit hard with a blitzkrieg while we had to muster up forces to fight back as we got pushed back to Stalingrad. They had the early victories and some strong tactics but we had the numbers and the production power to hit back hard. With no one on our Eastern Front (because the Japanese and Nazis didn't pincer the Russians), the fems had to face a scissor attack of their own.

They attacked gamers who took the brunt of what they had to offer as the developers opened a new front and forced some combined ammo into their homeland. We lost a few soldiers, gained some international support (FDR and Stalin aka Uncle Joe) and overall beat back the fascist threat of Italy and Germany even though the devs still thought poorly of us for a while.

So now we enter the Cold War, but we have a tactical advantage over the fascist threat. It's severely undermined and weakened as we march into Berlin. Our decisions now can help us to make a much more peaceful time, or we can do the heavy propaganda that's the Cold War.

I think the analogy is apt.

[–]randomcallsign 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't have any objections to this.

This is why I love gamergate :3

[–]blarg_industries 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

A more apt analogy would probably be the Pacific Theatre. August 2014 was our Pearl Harbor

How about E3 as Midway?

[–]Todda468 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A guirilla war, they are fighting the environment, they might control the cities (major publications) but we starve them out and make them irrelevent. Each time they bomb something it the people just get more pissed off.

[–]ChallyIITES 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So 2015 is Midway, and E3 was the Douglas SDB Dauntless of the Gamergate movement?

[–]pkunkfury 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what you're saying is GamerGate is going to nuke San Francisco in 4 years?

[–]thegreathobbyist 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except that the Manhattan Project ended in the bombing of Hiroshima which to this day is seen as the worst thing ever done in war.

[–]Revan232 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except that the Manhattan Project ended in the bombing of Hiroshima which to this day is see

Nagasaki too.

[–]thegreathobbyist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, let's not forget Nagasaki. But if I remember correctly they used a higher megaton bomb for Hiroshima which is why it's the one they always cite.

[–]parasoja 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's mostly because it was the first, though it also killed more people.

The bombs were supposed to have a yield of about 22 kilotons. The Hiroshima bomb was a partial failure, and yielded about 16. Hiroshima had 50% more population than Nagasaki, but the bomb killed twice as many people despite its' lower yield. As the larger town Hiroshima probably had higher population density, plus IIRC the Nagasaki target area was in a valley, which would have reduced the area of damage.

[–]BigYellowDeathBullet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dunno if it's considered the worst, it was certainly the most unique and spectacular though. WW2 was atrocity ahoy on all sides by modern standards.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, it ended the war, and likely prevented millions of more lives from being lost on either side.

Is it ethical to take a hundred thousand lives to save millions of lives? Philosophers of ethics spend their time debating this stuff. There's no easy answer.

[–]monsieur7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus it was a defended city (not like Paris), with military targets and anti-aircraft weapons, as well as a large industrial base geared entirely to the war effort. I'm not sure if it was before or after the bombing that we learned that the Japanese civilians were preparing to fight to the last.

[–]Fucking_That_Chicken 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

by whom?

[–]Joss_Muex 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thread Anthem

[–]thekindlyman555 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not sure Stalingrad is exactly an apt comparison here, because many many more russians died to reclaim Stalingrad than Nazi's. Haven't seen too many casualties on our side really.

[–]randomcallsign 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough.
My angle was about a messy, long battle that changed the momentum of the front

[–]Sockpuppet30342 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends how you look at it I guess, "progressivism" invaded a lot of interest spheres before gaming.

[–]TuesdayRB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

many many more russians died to reclaim Stalingrad than Nazi's. Haven't seen too many casualties on our side really.

There are some parallels. More pro-GG people get banned on Wikipedia than anti, for example.

[–]phlap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gamers are dead.

[–]hiighCalibre 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually a really apt analogy on a few levels... Stalingrad was won in large part by Stalingrad's many marksmanship enthusiasts who along with military forces became a fearsome guerrilla sniper force, in the same way that we are game enthusiasts applying our problem solving skills to politics. We are a rag tag populist force. Much like Stalingrad despite their being no strategic advantage to be had by game dropping the enemy cannot seem to leave GG alone, they keep sending waves...and finally winter is coming, the press will get tired and when they bow out the SJWs will be left standing exposed in the frozen wastes of the internet, ill equipped to handle our native land.

[–]HatredsBlazingGun -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

That makes GamerGate the Nazis, because we're fighting cultural Marxism, the communists.

[–]shillingintensify 69ポイント70ポイント  (19子コメント)

Laurie "The Red" Penny

Wasn't that the nut celebrating the vandalization of a war memorial?

Also, if they want this to end, they're gonna have to grow up and talk to the other side.

[–]ACraftyApe 48ポイント49ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yup, and she got ANNIHILATED by Starkey

[–]Nonsensei 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Jumped up school girl"

God, I love British insults.

[–]psyFungii 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

"public school girl" (which bizarrely in UK means "Posh expensive private school")

[–]MaximoffZero 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Me too (American here). All we do when we insult is curse a lot. Brits actually get creative with it!

[–]Iulus24 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do not underestimate our powers, for thou art a knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition.

[–]MaximoffZero 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup. That's about right.

[–]ACraftyApe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially dem gay brits.

[–]thegreathobbyist 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

#Rekt

[–]tux333 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This always cracks me up! :)

[–]based_nerd 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the first time I've heard about David Starkey and I've been watching his videos all morning. Thank you!

[–]ACraftyApe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha glad to spread the word of our lord and savior

[–]Smokratez 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

From her body language, she is attracted to the guy who just told her.

[–]Lugash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to him. To getting told. She recognizes actual moral authority, and it excites her.

[–]lye_milkshake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean he was great in that video but Starkey is an out of touch, unapologetic racist.

[–]UberThetan 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

Talking to the other side would require admitting that it's not just a bunch of hateful misogynists. Their whole shtick is based on the fact that GG is nothing but that so they'll drive the narrative train even as more and more of the saner individuals realize it and jump ship. To then land under their wheels.

I'm just making these metaphors up as I go along.

[–]bananaramallamasama 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

their story is a train/ship that crushes people when they leave it.

truly, you are the metaphor master.

[–]LanceLiege 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No my friend, their whole shtick is not based on the fact, it's based on the assertion.

[–]UberThetan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wording is hard and stuff!

[–]its_never_lupus 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. The ones who claim they are fighting for the people have the most hatred for the people.

[–]the_harkonnenMove sea lion! For great ethics! 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree. The issue is, if GG agrees to pull back first, allowing the aGGros to save face, there are some amongst them that will consider it a win for them and take advantage of it for some for if politics, whether internal or external, hard to say. It would startbwith a few but before long even the first sjws to give up would mental gymnastic things into a "We (agg) won! Cause they quit." Its an illogical gymnastic tonpull off for certain but asnalways remember what kind of foe we deal with. We should continue pushing until we confirm the 'Ragequit' of our foes via a "we give up thread" on ghazi with many many upbotes, some public apologies on the twitter and some online publications etc etc. don't get me wrong, I have no problems with a let bygones be bygones approach to this and we all play vidya together afterwards. But our foes are the type of people that will only accept absolutes. As such we unfortunately cannot stop until we, for better or worse, have achieved total victory. A victory that becomes more and more inevitable with each passing happening mind you. Naturally thats just my opinion though, so feel free to agree or disagree.

[–]bananaramarang 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, this is a long term problem in a greater culture war that wont be solved by allowing them to regroup and recover. Victory is achieved not by defeating the enemy in battle but by destroying their capacity to wage war. Concrete ethics policies and public admissions of wrong doing are half the battle, the other half is ensuring it never happens again.

[–]Miserygut 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. This sort of nonsense is still prevalent on other platforms and places - Universities, Tumblr and other echo chambers. It is dangerous to the wellbeing of our societies, their institutions and the people involved. A few of them have already realised this but it needs to really be driven to completion.

The issue is that in these places there are genuinely marginalised people who may end up being pushed further out of 'mainstream' society rather than being brought into it. Being a force for neutrality has, so far, been the most effective way forward for GG but it may not be in these arenas. Stepping up the inclusivity rhetoric (which is already present) will achieve that. It won't be a big step because gamers are very inclusive (More players? Good!) by their nature but it needs to be an explicit move so that everyone can get on board.

[–]F54280 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

we are not going to quit. however, when things will be settling down, we risk getting infiltrated, thought. they are pretty good at networking and getting allies in power situations.

[–]Skragzilla 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Every comment section, every hashtag, every article. It's been almost a year since these fucks could spew their bullshit anywhere outside the hugbox without getting pissed on and it's wearing them down. Ghazi likes to circlejerk among the tumbleweeds, but even there you catch them whining about GG overrunning all of gaming.

All I can say to them is get fucking used to it. This is the new normal. This is gaming now. Every time you spew your doshit about how some random-ass innocuous thing is racist/sexist/whatever and go back the next day to see how the public has reacted to your pearls of wisdom, you're going to see a bunch of people talking about how full of shit you are.

You can sit there in your empty little "safe space" ghettoes and jerk each other off about how those crowds jeering you are all the "wrong" people and how some invisible majority somewhere totally doesn't think you're assholes, but from now on that's as good as it gets for you.

All that shit about how "we can't let this become gaming culture" that you threw around back when you still thought this might be a temporary thing? Too bad, it fucking happened. Enjoy.

[–]kamon123 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghazigamer is mostly dead..... I am shocked I say. Shocked. Yet we go take a look at our new gaming subs and ones not against us and oh... Oh... They seem to be active... Now why could that be???????? Hmmmmmmm........ Heavy /s

[–]Niwjere 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can sit there in your empty little "safe space" ghettoes and jerk each other off about how those crowds jeering you are all the "wrong" people and how some invisible majority somewhere totally doesn't think you're assholes, but from now on that's as good as it gets for you.

Atheism+, Part 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[–]Xaltiery 49ポイント50ポイント  (39子コメント)

Nah plenty of them are still in denial that they're winning. Gamerghazi is a clear fucking example of that. They spend all day shitting on KiA and GG and saying how much we're losing, yet we have more subs, more visitors, more people saying that Gghazi is toxic. Yet everyday you'll see threads saying we're not making any progress. But you do have a good point with the whole Leigh thing. I think more big aGGro names will be throwing in the towel sooner or later, this has always been a war of attrition, and considering who they're up against, it's only a matter of time.

[–]md1957 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

Indeed. Part of their general and loose strategy is to somehow whittle us down, divide and conquer, etc.

But like a bad RTS player, they're doing so with dwindling capabilities and unaware that the other guy is about to flank them.

[–]Markiep52 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Our troops are just passing through.

[–]calle30 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Brb, gonna play some civ now

[–]Ziggitz 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

See you in two weeks.

[–]parasoja 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

SMAC is a perfect metaphor. They led with their planetbusters, but it didn't get the job done. Now everybody's declared vendetta on them, and they're being out-produced.

[–]ChallyIITES 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Player Gamergate has completed secret project "Hunter Seeker Algorithm ".

[–]mscomies 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, they're like an RTS player who lost half their workers in the early game and kept playing, unaware that they were going to get buried by their opponent's snowballing economic advantage.

[–]vashlion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This makes me wanna play Starcraft. And lookie here I havn't played Heart of the Swarm yet :)

[–]ExplosionSanta 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

THERE ARE NO AMERICANS IN BAGHDAD, KINDLY IGNORE THE ABRAMS TANK BEHIND ME.

[–]cvillano 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ghazi is retarded, they spend all day lurking here and then scurry back to their sub when they find something they can spin, their entire reason for existing is us. I've also noticed that they've started copying us, all our arguements against them since day 1 they've now stolen and repeat in their sub, like "GG is feels over reals" and "GG never leaves their echo chamber" and "the only way to win is not to play" - it just goes to show that they're devoid of any real substance and merely immitate what they see elsewhere. They saw KiA grow at 10x the rate of ghazi despite the r/gamergate trick and they wanted in on that, sadly it hasnt worked. I know its hard but try not to pay attention to those vapid morons, it wont get you anywhere.

[–]F54280 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

not 10, just 5

we used to have pretty much 5 time more subscribers, allostérique since the beginning, which I always found painful (I'd love that we would be growing at a different complexity function). With the closing of the few subreddit, we go an influx and are now at x6. hope it'll last.

[–]bananaramarang 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

North Korea thinks they're a world power so aGG can continue to think they're relevant lol.

[–]Newbdesigner 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't equate the pattering of children to the glorious victory marches of BEST KOREA!

[–]Dwavenhobble[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wu has half thrown in the towel claiming she was pulling back from twitter but there's an outburst every now and again.

[–]Xaltiery 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

people like Wu can't live without twitter so coming back for little outbursts here and there is a given lol.

[–]student28567271 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's part of their narrative, sort of like how North Korea portrays the south as some kind of barbaristic culture with primitive technology and living standards. The left have always done this.

[–]solariant 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

Wait a minute I thought GG was mostly a left-wing movement?

[–]TuesdayRB 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's referring to our opponents, who are also left.

[–]Fucking_That_Chicken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

not really; they're mostly rich assholes who've appropriated the lingo in order to turn it around on people who aren't them

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

Unlike you, we welcome all shapes and sizes. What's that word you think you own the rights to again, but in practice have no fucking clue about? Something about an old old wooden ship... :^)

[–]solariant 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

That is not what I am disputing. It seems strange to me that if someone were part of a movement which I have seen claimed is 70% or more comprised of people who consider themselves left wing, someone would make a statement denigrating the ENTIRE of the left-wing, like student28567271 just did. And no one else challenged it - in fact it has been upvoted. Odd.

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because some of us on the left are not in denial about our house needing to be put in order.

[–]mansplain 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deep derp partisanship.

If the mainstream left hadn't called me a racist misogynist shitheel for years on end maybe ide care.

[–]Iconochasm 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many young people identify as leftwing more for "cultural osmosis" reasons than "carefully considered principles" reasons. When faced with an attack on something they love, they may discover that they have more of a classical liberal streak than they had thought - and that there's a difference in the first place.

[–]Inuma 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because somehow, liberals are conflated with "The Left" and you can't go three minutes without someone scapegoating all of the Left as a problem.

It's really annoying to be honest...

[–]Niwjere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This, a million fucking times over. Liberalism is not "leftism", but most Americans think they're the same damn thing.

[–]jlyoung813 -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

A total of 3 people endorsed the comment. Stop trying to stir shit.

[–]solariant -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

A total of zero people challenged it, not including myself.

[–]jlyoung813 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

And? Why should everyone challenge everything they disagree with? It's buried among the rest of the comments and not really worth addressing. Why do you care so much?

[–]solariant 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not everyone. But I would have thought, maybe one or two people, if Gamergate are as lefty as it claimed, would have objected to someone disparaging the entirety of "the left". Why do you care so little?

[–]jlyoung813 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because it's an irrelevant post on a forum site. Why do the political opinions of a member of a consumer oriented group matter so much to you?

[–]Bloodrever 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have played Korean MMOs 8 months is like 30% exp.

[–]GuenMakunikoru 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

6 pool didn't win,.. this game is imba!

[–]Lugash -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

HOLY FUCK I FIGURED IT OUT!!

Hear me out okay? We know the zombie's greatest advantage is to convert our dead into their soldiers. Take that out of the equation, and even fast zombies are no match for any standing army.

Whichever illuminati-analogue was tasked with creating the Zombie Response Plan couldn't figure it out though! So they did what they always do, Research. They created the first "SJW"'s back in the 70's probably*, possibly on an unrelated project. The Research Team would focus their proto-sjw's on an industry and just record what happens. After a couple dozen tests, they must have figured out how large groups respond to an irrational threat.

After that, it would've been trivial to publish the "Gamers Are Dead" articles as a final test. We're playing the role of Humans in this little Wargame, and the SJW's are the Zombies.

When we win, by vanquishing false moral panic authoritarianism, the Research Team will be able to determine a successful response to a Zombie Event. If the Zombs ever do attack, they won't stand a chance.

If we lose? We're a bunch of scientists. What happens to the rats after they're full of tumors?

*A whole generation did psychedelics for most of a decade. Then in the 70's they sobered up and went back to work. Just saying.

I'm not a conspiracy nut, btw. Just really high. But that doesn't make me wrong!

[–]deathonwingz 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

I guess it's not very fun when you pick a fight with people who not only fight back but win. Just wait until we hit the 1 year anniversary I think a lot of them are going to lose it when they realize this has been going on for a full year.

[–]mancubus314159 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think we should try to arrange simultanious meet ups around the world for the 1 year anniversay. It would be a great display that we are still here and aren't going away, and a chance to celebrate all we have achieved this year.

[–]deathonwingz 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sounds like a nice idea for people who like the meet ups. Personally I'd like to see people get some hashtags trending on twitter, the best would be StopGamergate2014.

[–]LanceLiege 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally I like the sound of #StopGamergateFailed. You know something like a bigger middle finger to every person who went against us.

[–]tux333 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

shitlord, its #StopGamergate20xx now... we'll fill in the blank later :P

[–]RangerSix 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

SocJus confirmed for Dr. Wily!

[–]RubertJenkins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

SocJus confirmed for Fox main!

[–]md1957 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, though it'll take a bit more time (perhaps quite some time) before this really becomes more evident. It doesn't help either that some are either escalating said culture war or dragging their moral crusading against gaming into another, wider culture war.

Though even those are causing more people to recognize how full of BS the narrative is.

[–]BingleBongleBungle 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why they will never win as they change their minds about who and what they're against all the time. They usually wind mill in, knock a few people over and then move onto something else. This whole gamergate thing has been different though. They launched a number of big media offensives but they did nothing at all, in fact some of them actually strengthened their opposition.

They don't like the fact we won't let them move on, but some of them are trying anyway. They're bored now and do not like the fact they can't win but don't want to admit defeat whilst still wanting to get onto something else.

Conflicted at what to do the front lines are going to get too wide for the SJW army to cover; some move on, some stick around but by doing so they are rendering themselves increasingly impotent as a force.

Some of the SJW generals know this and want the troops to stick together, but too many of them refuse to accept defeat.

Great for everyone who isn't them.

[–]Muesli_nom 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well now we have another major figure on their side coming out seemingly with exhaustion over #Gamergate.

Did they think we were just talking out of our asses when we said "the ride never ends"? Goes to show how much of a "gamer" most of 'em are.

With the success of Hatred and the failure of Tale of Tales it seems like the SJW side are realising they no-longer have the tools to fight and prove their side should rule all.

Personal observation (no facts to point to): I do not think they ever even had the tools to fight. They thought they did, and that what they were claiming so loudly was actually what people wanted. What does seem to slowly sink (at least with those not completely drunk on the kool-aid) in is that the "weapons" they wield actually are squirt guns, and the troops manning their ramparts cardboard cutouts.

[–]justanotherindiedev 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

They arent just failing to win, they're actively losing, driving former supporters away.

[–]ggdsf 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course they wouldn't win, people like their freedom and they'll fucking fight to have it. These assholes can fuck right off

[–]kamon123 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let bargaining begin.

[–]something_different7 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Press x to perform execution move" more like.

[–]Error774 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Press x to perform execution? Did we buy those easy fatality tokens or something?

[–]mutmekep 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grinding levels up gamers

[–]nothinfollowsme 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't realize they were ever really "winning" anything to begin with.

The SJW's remind me of "Baghdad Bob"

"EVERYTHING IS FINE, WE ARE WINNING THE WAR AGAINST THOSE GAMERGATORS!" They say as they are taking their box out of the job they just got fired from.

[–]wargarurumon 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

penny is correct the sexists are losing, the problem is that they're the sexists

[–]The_0bserverPoe's Law: Soon to be Pao's Law 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe they realized that Gamergators aren't really standing for misogyny but actual problems with the way things are., Also, (I can't cite any stats), but I think calling some really misogynist stuff in comment sections has gone down quite a bit (other than when dripping in sarcasm), with the general direction of comments being pointed to show hypocricy, stupidity etc.

if they say sorry, and do ask to be left out of the discussion, we as a collective should leave them out. (Unless they continue to do and condone BS)

[–]Revan232 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

if they say sorry, and do ask to be left out of the discussion, we as a collective should leave them out. (Unless they continue to do and condone BS)

you know damn well they won't.

[–]The_0bserverPoe's Law: Soon to be Pao's Law 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can't stop me from hoping though.

[–]vashlion 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now all we need are "Is social justice dead?" " Social Justice Warriors don't have to be your audience anymore" articles.

[–]fateofmorality 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

The Kebab of SJW has reached 20 war exhaustion, while our galleys block the straight of Constantinople to prevent unit crossing. They keep taking loans because their ducets are running low, but soon the bank won't let them. The SJW Kebab will split and fracture, as the Gamer Empire forms to what it was years ago...

Seriously, any EU4 players out here?

[–]BaddoSpirito 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kebap is love. Kebap is life. SJWs aren't anywhere near strong enough to be the glorious Kebap.

I think it's more like we are Austria and SJWs are some bitchy little HRE minors who thought they had a chance against the mighty Emperor.

[–]TMG26 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

CK2 master race.

[–]fateofmorality 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Aztecs are coming :|

[–]TMG26 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not if you disable that DLC.

[–]Starfireoftamaran 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the last year has shown us something, GamerGate is something serious or has struck some sort of treasure they didn't want us to find, we may not even fully know what it is we are holding.

GG is a serious threat, TO SOMETHING. Look at the response it engenders. Ryulong as an example has dedicated 8+ hours unpaid labor a day editing and curating Wiki articles against us. Why? I mean thats a level of dedication I would have to be paid A LOT to do. He is doing it for free. Look at all the increasingly bizarre gamedrops, we are on mars, we are space rapists of the future, Places that shouldn't even care about GamerGate mention it with derisive sneers or with blood curdling chills and screams.

One thing I can say for certain is if the SJ cabal was supposed to effectively control, sanitize and police the techie, gamer, nerd community, they have failed spectacularly at it. That might be all it is, the appointed moral guardians and political officers sent to oversee this community had their efforts collapse. They can't convince people to buy things they didn't want (Sunset) and they can't prevent badthought games like Hatred from existing.

Still, I suspect GamerGate has found something we were not supposed to find, and it remains potent that they are still, a year out after how many declarations of death and so many narrative spins, shrieking and fanatically obsessed with GamerGate, more so than its adherents.

[–]descartessss 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reference to the professional feminist above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

[–]GGsockpuppet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what happens when you declare culture war on the idea that people should not be lying and dishonest fucks around our vidya. You get fucking nowhere.

[–]theroseandswords 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It shouldn't be surprising because they are not used to fighting an organized resistance for a prolonged period of time. They have no experience fighting an actual culture war, and have little to offer when their ideas are rebuked with reason and facts.

[–]MaximoffZero 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The failure of Sunset I think was the tipping point. The SJWs were really banking on that to show gamers that their way is better. Instead it failed and spectacularly so.

That sent a message. They're not welcome here and "Gamergate" is more than just a vocal minority of basement-dwelling manchildren.

[–]DwarfGate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turns out that when you act like an entitled shit with a superiority complex that would make actual God impressed and you back up said complex with absolutely nothing but insults and mob harassment people tend to hate the fact that you waste valuable time, money, and oxygen.

[–]UyhAEqbnp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=feminism&cmpt=q&geo=US

it might be unrepresentative, but I don't think it is. The internet feminist wave seems to have peaked

[–]Aurondarklord 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

These so-called warriors, these people who style themselves as champions of the oppressed, "punching up" against the all-powerful patriarchy have absolutely no stamina when someone actually fights back, they can only win if their enemies instantly roll over and apologize while the media constantly validates and cheerleads for them.

[–]Berdyberdson 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

For every culture there's a counter-culture. No side will ever completely absorb the other, there's no winning or losing, there's just being slightly predominant in a short period of time, then it flips back again. Some people take a side that they believe in, some people take a side just because it opposes the one that they disagree with, some people just like drama or just be contrarian. One thing to be completely sure of is that there will always be some sort of balance as long as humankind is capable of independent thinking and don't somehow get DNA spliced with insects and become part of a hivemind.

Chill.

It's all cool

[–]JackalXCIV 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bravo to the ones who decided we should be leaderless.

[–]Niwjere 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was you, Leader of GamerGate.

[–]mrtrotskygrad 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they didn't realize that the internet does not forget. They operate on the terms of the regular media where outrage blows over in a couple weeks, month max.

[–]SadCrittersSadCritters used logic. It's super-effective! 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If anything, I would argue that is has brought these vile people to light of the average person. Now the term "Social Justice Warrior" is being held in a negative light among the majorities. It has made others realize these shitty people just storm into a marketplace and try to desperately suck it dry of money until they are all that remain. Once at that point they in-fight and splinter off to other marketplaces.

It's a desperate attack from desperate people.

[–]Pinworm45 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A year ago I felt like the tide was flowing their way, now I feel like it's flowing back the other way.

Many people said from the start they were self-defeating and it was only a matter of time until the average person was turned against them. I think that's happened and will continue to happen. I think KIA, GamerGate played a not insignificant part in this. The work continues.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

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[–]Maldron_The_Assasin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was on June 3rd though?

[–]dannylew -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing about their culture war is we don't even play their game now. They howled about how we were out to just murder women left and right, and for a while we were distracted and tried to reach a middle ground with them. But after a few months of that we finally said, "Fuck it," and moved on to focus onto other relevant topics we were interested in as the other issues got old or resolved.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll stop fighting when every single SJW is starving on the streets because nobody will want to have anything to do with them.