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Fixed nowSJWs have hijacked a previously neutral article and converted it into a politically correct Nazi-shaming Holocaust piece. (i.imgur.com)

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[–]UrUrshurak 183ポイント184ポイント  (9子コメント)

I find it more funny that the citation for explaining the Nazi concept of "master race" is the article entitled "Let’s stop calling ourselves the "PC Master Race".

[–]md1957 116ポイント117ポイント  (3子コメント)

Further proof that neither Wikipedia nor PC Gamer deserve even an inkling of respect at this point.

[–]anon445 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it looks like they reversed those changes, so...

[–]Bobboy5 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wikipedia: Where studies don't matter and blogs are the only reliable source.

[–]drunkenvalley 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

My respect for wikipedia just up and died when I saw how #GG turned out.

[–]ev1lb1t 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

I called it!

People were making comments in the article telling the idiot even wikipedia says otherwise, and I said "not for long" and mentioned the SJW's having friends generate articles to legitimize their vandalism of the gamergate article, among many others.

[–]ladynepht 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha I posted in wrong thread. I will leave this message here to show my stupid.

[–]Zero132132 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't that an op-ed?

Jesus, what qualifies as a 'reliable source' has slipped so damned much.

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    [–]mcantrell 51ポイント52ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Huh. It's cleaned up now.

    Edit: Oh, I see, he's going to the admins to try and get it forcibly added, despite it violating Wikipedia rules.

    [–]TekTekDude[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The article is locked at an acceptable state, /r/pcmasterrace is being randomly blamed for the whole thing

    [–]LordBass 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Summary:

    1. ThePowerofX changes bunch of shit adding nazism, makes POV changes.
    2. When reverted, puts user Wikinium in a 3RR for "edit war" because he said that "well-source edits" were vandalism (Talk page). Ferret reverts Wikinium's revert.
    3. More people call bullshit on ThePowerofX's edits, rightfully so. Especially the sentence: "dirty console peasants" with the allusion that they are inferior and people who game on PC as the better "Glorious PC Gaming Master Race". Which is unsourced and clearly POV pushing.
    4. Admin eventually locks the page.

    Complete bullshit, and clear violation of WP:NPOV.

    [–]ETNxMARU 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    logic

    [–]Logan_Mac 75ポイント76ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why would "PC masterrace" even have a fucking article jesus fuck

    [–]TekTekDude[S] 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Probably so people don't think it's actually about what the SJWs are now ironically trying to make it about.

    The phrase is notable, as are many: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_her_right_in_the_pussy

    I am sure others could find examples as well. Even Doge has an article I think.

    [–]banananon 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So Wikipedia is KnowYourMeme now?

    [–]docbloodmoney 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, knowyourmeme is sometimes pretty factual

    [–]MEMES_IN_MY_ASSHOLE@WeaponizedMemes 58ポイント59ポイント  (32子コメント)

    Why do these people even hate PCMR? What do these people do or say that is offensive other than the perceived racism of their moniker?

    [–]TekTekDude[S] 74ポイント75ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Occasional "video game journalists" will have a twitter rant about how "racist" it is, even though its about PC gaming being compared to console gaming and has nothing to do with races.

    PC Gamer ran an article for a while about it, trying to make it look like Naziism. Didn't really work too well for the dude that wrote it.

    [–]continous 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ah I remember that. There's significantly less PCGamer on PCMR now.

    [–]cky_stew 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yep. It also started a campaign to get the PCMR steam curator more followers than the PCG curator, I thought it worked, but my memory must be rusty as I just checked and PCG is higher.

    That among some other things caused me to stop buying the physicial magazine, now I've got a collection dating back to 2001 that I just shake my head at..

    [–]Lord_Triclops 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That campaign was against Kotaku's steam curator page, surpassing PCG would've been nice, but the priority was to get Kotaku out of the top 10 curators.

    [–]bobcat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That should be added to the wp article then, their articles and those pointing out they are wrong.

    Immortalize them.

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      [–]TheCid 40ポイント41ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Why do these people even hate PCMR?

      Because they're dirty console peasants.

      [–]m0vi 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

      I'm a console peasant, and I'm offended to be lumped together with those people :<

      [–]Cilph 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Have you considered acknowledging the superiority of the PC?

      [–]m0vi 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I'll consider it when it has the games I want, can be as quiet and small as a WiiU, and doesn't need a keyboard and mouse to operate back to back. Until then it's a F1 Racer, which is really fast, but can only race on a specific race car designed for it, and is irrelevant in day to day use ;)

      [–]Cilph 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Intel NUC has the performance and form factor of a Wii U. Using Steam Big Picture Mode you can operate it using just a controller, provided you only want to play games. (If you don't, why the hell wouldn't you use a keyboard.)

      More and more PS4/X1 games get ports to the PC. Wii U has its own thing going on, which is pretty much the only reason for owning a Wii U.

      [–]GeordieGarry 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wii U has its own thing going on, which is pretty much the only reason for owning a Wii U.

      Which is why it's sensible to get a Wii-U along with a PC.

      [–]m0vi 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I have one of these, actually a more powerfull version - Brix Pro with i5 (it has Iris Pro, so better than standard intel graphics). I bought as a htpc in mind (Kodi/XBMC) and for that it performs admirably. But SteamOS / Steam on Linux is a still a joke. Some games state that they're gamepad compatible, but when run they present a dialog window with a OK button, and now I'm screwed because I have to connect a mouse to click the damn window. And then they crash because my system pulseaudio lib is a newer version than the one the steam runtime is compiled against. Or the steam overlay window didn't get the message that the game exited and it's still displaying that stupid spinner. Or any of the other stupid issue. The gamepad is still MIA, so no mouse emulation either. And the one game that I genuinely was interested in, The Swapper ran worse than the version i got on the WiiU. I bought the Brix Pro with the intent "fuck yea, PC Linux gaming", and it was an utterly failed experiment for me.

      And the games? Any that I do care about, I already have them on my PS4/PS3/WiiU or whatever. Sure, some of them MAY work better, if I invest MORE money on a PC that's of superior hardware. And put up with bullshit like Windows, drivers, updates, patches, and whatever is on pcgamingwiki. And maybe then the experience won't suck (hello dark souls 2!)

      And i'd still be missing out on a hell lot of games that are exclusive to consoles. I'll skip any Nintendo, but what about Red Dead Redemption? Half of the MGS series? All of Yakuza games? Fatal Frame? Persona? And why do I have to wait more than a year for GTA V? Just to see it in better resolution and feel smug about it? Yeah, I don't dig that.

      And don't get me wrong, I don't hate people that play on the PC or whatever, it's their choice, they feel comfortable with it, and for sure they have some games that will never be on consoles, like any strategy game like Civ V or whatnot. And that's cool. There was also a time and place when the PC had games that were impossible anywhere else. Any quake game, the first Unreal, or Unreal Tournament. Deus Ex. Legacy of Kain. System Shock 2. I still go back and play them on wine (thank $deity for that piece of excellent software). But nowadays, the PC is more like the PC Beggar race than anything else, and the only advantage is graphics and mods. And I don't feel like those are worth my money or time.

      Also one more thing to touch on - I'll concede that this gen and half of last gen is crap, but it's not a problem of the platform, but of the games themselves. Todays releases are crap, and a couple of hours after I bought the PS4 I really wanted to return it to the store, since after almost a year on beeing on the market, the games either suck ass, or are last-gen hd ports. For now, I only own Metro Redux (a HD port), Witcher 3, Ground Zeroes and plan to get MGS V. Any other big game release turned out to be just utter crap (any AC game), a cash grab (Destiny) or a HD rerelease. Seeing this years E3 left me with an impression that gaming is pretty much dead to me, with nothing really new or gen defining coming out. Nintendo is the the one small guy doing something different, but I can imagine it not beeing for everyone. But again, I want to stress it, this is not a problem of the platform it's on, it's how games are being made today. PC, PS4, Xbone, either way you lose. The only way to win is not to play. Razorfist says it best - sequels have their time and place, but only alongside NEW content

      [–]WrecksMundi -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Holy wall of text Batman!

      You need to tl;dr that shit.

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        [–]dvidsilva 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        You can hook up wii controllers to a PC and play wii games on it.

        With higher framerates and resolution!

        [–]m0vi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Indeed you can. Except when the game has glitches (Wind Waker fire cave), or is just plainly too slow to emulate (any Metroid Prime).

        [–]Ice_tail 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

        It's a scientificly proven fact all sjws are dirty console peasants

        [–]kalphis 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

        or worse, ios peasants.

        [–]-Shank- 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

        We prefer to use the team "Mac heathens"

        [–]xternal7narrative push --force 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

        OS X and iOS aren't the same things.

        [–]MyLittleFedora 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Because they are oppressive to the Macbook-Air-In-Starbucks untermensch!

        [–]Gmtom 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I wouldnt say im one of "those people" but there are plenty of reasons to hate PCMR and none of them have anything to do with racism. The whole idea is just a superiority complex which gets its ammo from the persons preferred method of playing fucking video games which is so asinine and stupid it hurts, and that some of them are so obsessed with it that they make it 100% of their personality and what they. and some of them just cant leave people alone, like any mention of consoles on a sub like /r/gaming results in several "just build a PC instead" posts. And also tonnes of false equivalency like comparing the cheapest possible price for a PC against the RRP for a console.

        I know this place is extremely pro PCMR and im hoping I dont piss off too many people by posting this.

        [–]NGC2467 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They love games too much. This upsets the Thompsonites.

        [–]NoNSFWsubreddits 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The majority of PCMR is at least neutral, if not pro-GG.

        [–]non_consensual 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They refuse to kneel to the cancer that is identity politics. That makes them a target.

        [–]Kalahan7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I'm sorry have you looked at the subreddit lately?

        "Hey guys! Check what this single idiot console gamer has to say about frame rate! Let's all make a big deal about it. Upvote it to the top. Rage over it a bit. Make some wide generalizations on how all console gamers must be this stupid (because that's the only reason why someone would game on consoles). But as soon as someone makes a valid point of us being idiots just claim we are being satirical"

        Granted. Not enough to start a social justice war over but, in all honesty, I can see why many don't like PCMR.

        [–]andthenthereweretwo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I first used a computer when I was 2. My first game ever was Rodent's Revenge. I had consoles as a kid, but I never felt comfortable asking my parents for more than a few games (even though we were comfortably middle class) and the internet was new and exciting back then, so I spent most of my time on the computer. I remember playing Half-Life 2 when it came out on my shitty Athlon XP and Radeon 9200, averaging 20 FPS on medium settings at 1024x768, and loving every minute of it.

        Then comes that fucker Yahtzee with the goddamn video that started this whole shit. Suddenly people who never would have given a damn before start flooding in after dropping $1200 on an ibuypower shitpile just to join the circlejerk and feel special. Now I see their insufferable hyperbolic shit a la "30 fps is a slideshow completely unplayable for any genre, just absolute torture on the eyes" and "there is literally not a single reason to buy any console and there never will be period" infesting every gaming-related site I go to. And for what? Not for big-name AAA PC exclusives like the kinds that were made up until 2004 or so. Not for games in genres where using a controller would be so unwieldy as to make a console version of the game pointless. No, all of this shit is to boast about having shitty unfinished indie games on Early Access and better versions of console ports (when they actually work).

        That is why I hate this master race bullshit.

        [–]hiighCalibre 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Ever see a ven-diagram of PCMR and KiA? The brotherhood is very much pro-consumer, anti-censorship, etc. and has taken the piss out of the games press numerous times.

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          [–]dutch_meatbag 34ポイント35ポイント  (7子コメント)

          It's not wise to disturb the PCMR bear which when angry can get shit done in the industry. But by all means, keep digging that hole, SJWs.

          [–]Mashiki 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Not forgetting that there are industry people(hardware, software and enthusiast) in multibillion dollar companies that post there, run contests there, and give away free stuff.

          [–]sethboy66 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Many in the business have openly talked about the master race when commenting on the availability of certain products on platforms.

          [–]hiighCalibre 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ASUS knows their ****ing audience let me tell ya.

          [–]dvidsilva 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Recently talked to a Corsair guy there! they're big fans

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            [–]ScotTheDuck 307ポイント308ポイント  (132子コメント)

            HOLY FUCK DO THESE PEOPLE NEED EDUCATING

            The Nazis did not come up with the concept of a "master race". Nietzsche came up with the concept of the Ubermensch over a year before Hitler was even fucking born. The "Ubermensch" was hijacked by the damned Nazis, who used it for racial superiority purposes by drawing off its literal German translation as "superman." It had more to do with the rejection of a God, and from focusing on this world, rather than yearning for another.

            It has jack shit to do with the Nazis other then hijacking a term (which they were rather good at).

            Edited for proper timing on the dates between Hitler's birth and Nietzsche's work in question.

            [–]Vallorn_ 137ポイント138ポイント  (30子コメント)

            Nietzsche's "Overman" isn't even supposed to be a race. It's often supposed to be symbolic of someone who creates their own morality from scratch with no interference from society, history or religion. Nietzsche usually contrasts this with the "Last Man" for whom nothing offensive exists because it has been removed but the world is dull and dreary.

            [–]InternetEvil 58ポイント59ポイント  (15子コメント)

            "Overman" is symbolic of someone who creates their own morality from scratch with no interference from society, history or religion.

            contrast this with the "Last Man" for whom nothing offensive exists because it has been removed but the world is dull and dreary.

            That actually is a great analogy to highlight the differences between the walled garden of the console gaming world and the autonomous nature of PC gaming both from a development and end-user availability perspective.

            With console gaming you're restricted to the moral framework of the console's 'curation department'. We hear that word a lot when discussing content availability on digital markets. They don't call it censorship they call it curation. The word curator by the way was traditionally used to describe religious leaders who provided spiritual and moral guidance for their congregation. That's what you get with console gaming; a shepherd named Microsoft, Sony, Apple and others. That's cool if you want it for yourself or your children. Not all of us want the morality of others dictating our path through life. Not all of us are okay with replacing our own ideas with the ideas of others. Not all of use are okay settling for a life less lived because a pastor, corporation, or internet authoritarian thinks themselves curator of our souls.

            Zarathustra, Nietzsche, and now Croshaw; the Overman idea spans twenty-five centuries and counting. It cannot be pigeon-holed as the concept of a mid-20th century political party in Western Europe.

            Am I talking nonsense or is that 'Overman' and 'Last Man' anmalogy perfect for PC vs console gaming. I mean damn, that's striking. Totally unintended of course but it works and should be used hence forth.

            [–]slimthigh 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

            It's a perfect analogy. I've also noticed how busy bodies and random SJWs literally loathe Nietzsche.

            [–]christophwallura 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Not surprising, he dedicated multiple chapters to the SJWs of his time.

            [–]bakuninsbart 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Nietzsche had a huge influence in critical theory and what right-wing-nuts call "cultural-marxism".

            [–]slimthigh -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Critical theory, "cultural-marxism". Why the tautology :^)

            [–]ArchonAlarion -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Same with... Ayn ahem Rand

            [–]SkyriderRJM 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Eh, Rand was a bit of a quack with objectivist nonsense. That said, I believe it should be taught in contrast to challenge beliefs.

            I don't agree with everything Nietzsche wrote either, but there was some brilliant views there too.

            [–]MBirkhofer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Console Last men instead of console peasants?

            [–]ithinkineedanap 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Not all of us want the morality of others dictating our path through life. Not all of us are okay with replacing our own ideas with the ideas of others. Not all of use are okay settling for a life less lived because a pastor, corporation, or internet authoritarian thinks themselves curator of our souls.

            That's a touch melodramatic, though. There's a difference between having your ideas replaced with the ideas of others, and your ideas simply lining up with the ideas of others. If you and I happen to agree we both want pizza, and with the same toppings, for dinner, that isn't replacing either of our ideas, we're simply simpatico. Likewise, if we happen to prefer pizza on that night instead of a steak dinner, we aren't wrong either.

            It really just sums up the common flaw with PC gamers (and I game on both, for the record), that they generally are unable or disinterested in seeing anything from any perspective but their own. It'd be like someone with an M3 seeing someone who chooses a Rav4 as having their car preferences dictated to them, because they settled instead of getting a car focused on driving performance, ignoring any of the advantages of the Rav4 or why a Rav4 could easily be more applicable and appealing to a given person's requirements or preferences. I said it on another thread, but I'd be curious how many PC gamers, that look down on consoles, drive cars with an automatic transmission.

            [–]musashi_mercutioSpaghettis in Japanese 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            PC Gamer/Console gamer with a 6-speed manual. (Mazdaspeed 3, represent!) Though by bringing in transmissions into it, if we're talking performance a Porsche 911 GT3 with the PDK is going to be faster than the M3 with a stick, let alone faster than most cars with a stick (I think the new Z07 may come close though). But I'm a stick loving neanderthal so~

            For me, it's about playing all of the exclusives, so I own them all (yes, all consoles and a high end hand built PC). But when it comes down to it, the PC version of a multi-platform release is/should be the best version available. Anyone who argues otherwise needs to go back to ploughing the fields while I live it up in luxury, then go help plough the fields because sometimes it's fun.

            [–]BukkRogerrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Am I talking nonsense or is that 'Overman' and 'Last Man' anmalogy perfect for PC vs console gaming.

            It's very euphoric!

            [–]MALGIL 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

            Nietzsche's "Overman" isn't even supposed to be a race.

            Probably this is an explanation why article refers to nazi ideology which had a concept of "master race" and not to Nietzsche's Ubermensch which isn't even supposed to about race?

            Even the person who coined the phrase "PC Master race" tells that it's a reference to Nazi ideology.

            EDIT: Guyz, if you can't take the fact that the term is a joking reference to nazi ideology, maybe you should stop applying it to yourself instead of downvoting a person who points the obvious?

            [–]IlleFacitFinem 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

            The master race idea was inspired by the overman idea. If we are drawing family lines that span gigantic leaps like the one currently on wiki, then at least get the facts straight.

            [–]MALGIL 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

            If we are drawing family lines that span gigantic leaps like the one currently on wiki, then at least get the facts straight.

            Referring to nazi "master race" on "PC Master Race" wiki isn't "drawing family lines that span gigantic leaps" because the phrase "PC Master Race" was literally created as a joking referrence to nazi term "master race" as was later confirmed by the very person who coined this phrase. The joke is hyperbolic comparison of pc elitist attitude with nazi ideology of race superiority.

            Information about Nietzschean ideology in context of PC Master Race is completely irrelevant because it has nothing to do with Nietzschean ideology. Nazi term "Master Race" has certain connections with Nietzschean ideology and you can read about them on relevant wiki page. And trying to diminish/deny connections with nazi ideology by posting information about Nietzche philosophical views is literally "drawing family lines that span gigantic leaps".

            [–]IlleFacitFinem 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

            If you won't go full hog on the background references and reason for a FUCKING JOKE, then you simply aren't committing to making the internet a more depressing and boring place.

            Honestly, who out there doesn't know what master race is in reference to? I feel like the article doesn't do due justice in pointing out that this is a joke.

            [–]MALGIL 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If you think that doing a background references doesn't do the joke justice, why are you trying to justify doing the same (we defeat irrelevant background references by doing even more irrelevant background references!).

            Honestly, who out there doesn't know what master race is in reference to?

            It seems that a lot of people here who bring up Nietzsche don't know what master race is reference to, or at least have troubles seperating something which is specific to nazi ideology from Nietzsche philosophy.

            [–]IlleFacitFinem 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            PCMR has very little to do with Nazis though. As I said, it is a joke. I don't know anyone that takes it seriously. I am sure there are people that do, and they are foolish to do so.

            The connection to Nietzsche is because drawing a line from PCMR to the Nazi Master Face is about etymology much less actual connection. Jokes about master race don't really need explaining unless you've lived under a rock (or a revisionist society where WW2 never happened)

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                [–]wOlfLisK 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                "Last Man" for whom nothing offensive exists because it has been removed but the world is dull and dreary.

                Otherwise known as an SJW.

                [–]Vallorn_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I was waiting for someone to notice that<3

                And thus spoke Zarathustra to the people:

                It is time for man to fix his goal. It is time for man to plant the seed of his highest hope.

                His soil is still rich enough for it. But that soil will one day be poor and exhausted, and no lofty tree will any longer be able to grow there.

                Alas! there comes the time when man will no longer launch the arrow of his longing beyond man -- and the string of his bow will have unlearned to whiz!

                I tell you: one must still have chaos in oneself, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: you have still chaos in yourselves.

                Alas! There comes the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There comes the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.

                Lo! I show you the Last Man.

                "What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?" -- so asks the Last Man, and blinks.

                The earth has become small, and on it hops the Last Man, who makes everything small. His species is ineradicable as the flea; the Last Man lives longest.

                "We have discovered happiness" -- say the Last Men, and they blink.

                They have left the regions where it is hard to live; for they need warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him; for one needs warmth.

                Turning ill and being distrustful, they consider sinful: they walk warily. He is a fool who still stumbles over stones or men!

                A little poison now and then: that makes for pleasant dreams. And much poison at the end for a pleasant death.

                One still works, for work is a pastime. But one is careful lest the pastime should hurt one.

                One no longer becomes poor or rich; both are too burdensome. Who still wants to rule? Who still wants to obey? Both are too burdensome.

                No shepherd, and one herd! Everyone wants the same; everyone is the same: he who feels differently goes voluntarily into the madhouse.

                "Formerly all the world was insane," -- say the subtlest of them, and they blink.

                They are clever and know all that has happened: so there is no end to their derision. People still quarrel, but are soon reconciled -- otherwise it upsets their stomachs.

                They have their little pleasures for the day, and their little pleasures for the night, but they have a regard for health.

                "We have discovered happiness," -- say the Last Men, and they blink.

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                  [–]TekTekDude[S] 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  If you can find usable sources and link them, that would be awesome for people trying to edit the article

                  [–]ScotTheDuck 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Nietzsche's work itself, not sure of anything after that.

                  [–]vonmonologue 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I think that would count as a primary source.

                  Remember, Wikipedia is not a fact collection source, it's a commentary aggregator. If you're writing an article about a book, you don't cite anything from the book, you cite news articles and book reviews about the book.

                  [–]RavenscroftRaven 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I'm pretty sure there's an article somewhere talking about "Nietzsche's Ubermensch".

                  Look, I googled those two words in Google Scholar! 13800 results.

                  [–]OH-YEAH 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Just report the article and have the edits reverted

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                    [–]ancientGouda 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    While it's true that the name and concept of "Übermensch" is the result of Nietzsche's work, I have never heard of him use the term "Herrenrasse" (master race). In fact, it wouldn't make any sense for his philosophy to include words like "race" because it had nothing to do with racial superiority (any human could become an Übermensch).

                    You're right that the fundamental concept is that of Nietzsche, but the Nazis are still responsible for creating using the "master race" term as a way to racially discriminate. In that regard, I don't see anything factually wrong with the wiki paragraph.

                    Edits: Nietzsche did use the terms, albeit in different context. I still think it is indisputable that Nazism is responsible for popularizing it.

                    [–]bakuninsbart 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Nietzsche was a racist, and race had some importance in his thinking. For example, he famously exclaimed that the mixing of all european cultures was what made Germany so strong. While the need for individual sublimation was certainly more central, there are few doubts that Herrenrasse was used literally in his writings.

                    [–]ancientGouda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Nietzsche was a racist

                    He was a racist in that he categorized humans by race, but that would not be what our definition of "racism" would entail today; he did not claim certain races to be superior to others. In that sense calling him a racist is misleading.

                    You are right that he did use Herrenrasse in his writing, I stand corrected.

                    [–]afrocolt 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    lol dude what? it never said they came up with the master race concept. it's saying master race was a nazi ideology, which it definitely was.

                    [–]soldierboytellthem 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    How is that different from pointing out that the Nazis weren't the first ones to use swastikas?

                    [–]LiterallyAnscombe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The Nazis did not come up with the concept of a "master race". Nietzsche came up with the concept of the Ubermensch over a year before Hitler was even fucking born.

                    The Übermensch begins in Goethe's work, even before Nietzsche. And for that matter, what Nietzsche's Estate (i.e. His Sister) was widely printing as "Nietzsche's Work" largely was with the Übermensch featured as an exemplary of the Superior Races. It was only later with textual scholarship that we found she had manipulated his work textually to say something entirely opposed to the published works.

                    The "Ubermensch" was hijacked by the damned Nazis, who used it for racial superiority purposes by drawing off its literal German translation as "superman."

                    Why would Germans need to access the literal English translation of a word in their own language? The word basically means Superman, Superior Man, or Overman. Of course it has an ironic role in a lot of Nietzsche's work (he continually referred to himself as an "Underground Man" and with great joy realized Dostoyevsky had a character of the same name) but let's face it, this sub is not exactly the place people go to understand Nietzsche or German translation.

                    [–]MALGIL 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks for education, but nazi ideology and Nietzsche philosophy are 2 different things, "master race" and Ubermensch are 2 different concepts even if nazi's used concept of Ubermensch to justify existance of "master race". Even the person who coined the phrase "PC Master race" tells that it's a reference to Nazi ideology.

                    [–]redbreadredemption 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    STOP SPEWING YOUR MYSOGINISTIC CAPITALIST FACTS SHITLORD.

                    BTW, IM RELEASING YOUR HOME PHONE NUMBER ON THE INTERNET.

                    [–]Trollaatori 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Master race translates as Herrenrasse not ubermensch. Herrenrasse was purely an aristocratic and racial notion, with none of the philosophical underpinnings of Nietzsche. I don't see what is wrong with the article, as the original term PC master race was employed with ironic derision to mock those who are fanatically loyal to the PC medium, to the point of seeing console players as lesser people. Pointing out the association of the terms to the holocaust is pertinent information.

                    [–]IlleFacitFinem 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    To an uneducated whelp, maybe pertinent information.

                    Why does a fucking joke need a wiki page?

                    [–]Trollaatori 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    These articles are written to inform people. The articles should, therefore, include all pertinent information.

                    If you want to write an encyclopedia that is deliberately obscurantist and only speaks to the elite who already know things, go ahead.

                    As for whether the subject is relevant enough, take that up with the admins.

                    [–]Rivarr 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    THATS NOT EXACTLY RELEVANT THOUGH IS IT? The swastika has another meaning too but you wouldn't be arguing about that. The master race thing has ties to nazism, it's just a joke but it's still relevant. Can we please stop being so sensitive.

                    [–]radagast14 14ポイント15ポイント  (57子コメント)

                    There is a science, it is called sociolinguistics - and it says that what is ultimately relevant is what people think of what given word means. Look, I could give sb a new nickname and call him 'orecchione' - 'little ear' is literal translation from Italian. Than I will argue all-day long that I meant exactly this. And sb may believe this. Only that for every Italian it really means 'faggot' and nobody In Italy is using it now in almost any other context. Try to say this in any bar and wait for punches. Terms are appropriated all the time, they change meanings, and in this century you reference to Nietzsche makes sense ONLY in the context of philosophy discussion. I've heard of one white extremist who argued that his swastika was only about Hindu culture, you know how this symbol wast borrowed. Then the judge told him to hide this stuff deep in his Hindu ass when he parades in front of Auschwitz. Context is everything. And to me (who tries to be unbiased, and I like almost ALL other threads here) saying 'Master Race' is offensive. I know of the whole nations for whom it is offensive. Where I live you could be fined for writing those words in public. This time the argument is wrong, as even SJWs can be right once a year.

                    [–]Tanukki 5ポイント6ポイント  (16子コメント)

                    OK, you have a point.

                    A common view among the "PC master racers" is that they are indeed re-appropriating the term, and that soon enough nobody will think of nazis when they hear it. What do you think about that?

                    [–]bushiz 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I think that the idea that someone could think a phrase is going to be associated with a dumb Internet circlejerk rather than 80 million dead men women, and children is beyond tasteless and moves well into the realm of downright horrifying.

                    [–]radagast14 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    Hmmm, every use of the word can change its meaning, true. Look how gay is now used to describe 'homosexual'. For centuries in meant 'happy'. And this change occurred in maybe 50 years. Still this is not fitting comparison. For once, PCMR are too small community for this to happen - using the word 'soon' may be the overstatement of the century. More importantly, they are trying to appropriate the heavily 'loaded' word, firmly connected with the nazi, while all previous attempts - gay, quiz - were light-hearthed and positive. Your term 'assault weapon' is simple translation of Hitler's Sturmgewehr - but it was not directly connected to genocide and people who spoke English language around 1945 decided that it was the cool word. In the case of "Master Race' it is way too soon for this to be used without recalling Nazis. Ultimately, it is the people who decide. In this case, I believe that there is a critical mass' of people who are offended.

                    [–]Tanukki 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    I think it might work out. The speed at which these kinds of memes propagate is much faster these days, thanks to the internet. The "PCMR community" is small, true. Most gamers don't care to identify themselves by the platform they're playing on, because that's kind of silly. They still recognize the term.

                    [–]radagast14 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

                    You are refuting my weaker argument. Maybe it will work, maybe won't. I think not, but YMMV. Main point is that they have taken a word that has already established meaning, a negative one. Whatever they do they will be seen as closed fascists in the eyes of public. Ask your grandma, it's not the term that you can be proud of - "What are you doing over the internet, Billy? Chatting with friends, we have this lovely group, we cal ourselves PC Master Race" You may be nice person, but first connotation is negative.

                    [–]Tanukki 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Yeah, if my grandma was still around she'd probably raise some eyebrows at that. But I don't really care about her generation anymore. To me, the nazis are no longer relevant. We steal their memes and make them into boogeymen for our video games, that's all they're good for.

                    The stronger part of your argument is basically that, people have legitimate reasons to not accept the term? To that, I just say I get why they're offended, but I don't think they have a right to censor the term. The PCMA is not harming anyone, and to have these words protected because of the nazi legacy feels regressive to me. Just let that legacy disappear into the darkness of history already.

                    [–]radagast14 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    At this point we have reached mutual agreement. To you Nazis are not important anymore. For me this is sill sort of taboo. My grandma is still there and she was in concentration camp during the war. That makes the difference. OED. Thanks for hearing me.

                    [–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    More importantly, they [PCMR] are trying to appropriate the heavily 'loaded' word ["master race"], firmly connected with the nazi, while all previous attempts - gay, quiz - were light-hearthed and positive.

                    Hmm, I find this a strange comment, and I do beg to differ.

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                      [–]cfl1 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                      Where I live you could be fined for writing those words in public.

                      That's offensive, as is your agreement with the sanction.

                      [–]wulf-focker 1ポイント2ポイント  (27子コメント)

                      I know of the whole nations for whom it is offensive. Where I live you could be fined for writing those words in public.

                      A huge Fuck That to all of that. Criminalizing speech is a totalitarian thing.

                      [–]fiodorson 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      Yes, outlawing totalitarian ideas is soooo totalitarian.

                      In my country we even have this in constitution:

                      Mindful of the bitter experiences of the times when fundamental freedoms and human rights were violated in our Homeland,

                      Article 13: Political parties and other organizations whose programmes are based upon totalitarian methods and the modes of activity of nazism, fascism and communism, as well as those whose programmes or activities sanction racial or national hatred, the application of violence for the purpose of obtaining power or to influence the State policy, or provide for the secrecy of their own structure or membership, shall be prohibited.

                      Fuck communists and fascists and fuck their free speech.

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                        [–]Tastygroove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The ultimate example would be the word "ironic," coincidently...

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                          [–]frooben 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Wrong. It was Himler being influenced by Guido von List that introduced the thinking.

                          [–]PaoIsACunt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Regardless of the origins it's pretty common to associate "Master race" with Nazi ideology at this point in time.

                          That being said... we're talking about PC-fucking gaming. And even as a Jew, I'm pretty fine with PC Master Race because its meant to be satirical. So as long you guys don't start sending console peasants to death camps, I think it's just fine.

                          [–]jotchLikes cis turtles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Looks like it was reverted to a better description.

                          [–]Somesuchfoolery 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Nietzsche and the Nazis are a terribly depressing example of how poorly prepared the human race is to deal with the idea that we are masters of our own destiny. He famously ended a long time friendship with composer Richard Wagner in part due to Wagner's hatred of the Jews, yet Nazi's still found a way to twist his ideas to support their bigotry.

                          [–]tomfooly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Better have some reliable sources to back that up!

                          [–]BukkRogerrs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          There was no mention of the Nazis inventing the concept of the master race, simply that the "master race" was part of their ideology. This is not wrong. While you, too, are not wrong, you're not really correcting anything. To say the "master race" has jack shit to do with the Nazis is, however, incorrect. Now, if you said the "PC Master Race" had nothing to do with the Nazis, then of course that's true. But the term alone has an understandable association with Naziism to many people. And for desperate ideologues this is an easy thing to harp on. But just like you can't pretend the swastika is totally benign right now, you can't pretend the term "master race" doesn't suggest Naziism to a lot of people.

                          Let's strive to be intellectually honest and fair here, even and especially when we're up against ideologues. You know damn well if the anti-GG started adopting the imagery of master races (however that imagery would play out) and swastikas (something else Nazis didn't invent) you and others here would have no qualms with reminding people of the associations these things have with Naziism. A-GG are just grasping for any straw they can get their hands on and running with it, like always.

                          [–]nope_nic_tesla 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Nietzsche's ubermensch is not the same thing as "master race". Nazis did not use the term "ubermensch", they used the term "die Herrenrasse" which literally translates to "master race". It is based on a pseudoscientific taxonomy of humans. In addition, the term "master race" was in use by whites in America in the early 1800s to justify slavery, well before Nietzsche was writing.

                          HOLY FUCK DO YOU NEED EDUCATING

                          [–]coffeeismyfamily 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I heard they invented the swastika too. =/

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                            [–]Null00000000 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Looks like the change has been removed, and a controversy section added.

                            [–]slumpywpgg 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Why is nobody up in arms about the use of the term grammar nazi? Far more widespread and invokes a literal comparison to nazis.

                            [–]-Shank- 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Because you can't use that as ammunition to make gamers look like bigots

                            [–]craschnet 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That section is not cited at all. Because of that, it should be removed.

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                            [deleted]

                              [–]StillSearching11 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Archive it, dont link PCgamer. I stopped reading that site last year due to way to many clickbait or SJW articles. Shame, they used to be good.

                              [–]TekTekDude[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20150627130819/http://www.pcgamer.com/lets-stop-calling-ourselves-the-pc-master-race/

                              The comment above was talking about how this source was used, and the article didn't even have this information in it that was used on the page.

                              [–]Masterdoctorn7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              And should I take down my post? ._.

                              [–]Masterdoctorn7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Alright I got the archive link..where should I put it?

                              [–]Logan_Mac[M] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Please archive

                              [–]ladynepht 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Erm someone slap the SJWs because The PC Master Race was thought up by Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation.

                              [–]SagamiSurprise 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Isn't that who ben croshaw is?

                              [–]ladynepht 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Is that his name...that guy does great vids ._.

                              [–]RenagadeGam3r 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw

                              [–]ladynepht 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I just found out he writes books as well..he has written some horror novel called "Jam" thats about evil well Jam...or Jelly if your from US ..

                              Evil Jam, well thats just great now I have fear of toast @_@"

                              [–]femstora 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Its pretty funny

                              [–]Rienuaa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              He has a better novel named Mogworld. It's seriously far superior to Jam.

                              [–]WexAndywn 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              This has since been removed, go check it now.

                              [–]TekTekDude[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I can promise you they will try to bring it back. The history of this subreddit is very clear on that. Articles always get punched back and forth.

                              [–]Vallorn_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Xpost this to /r/wikiinaction if you want. I think they might deal with this better.

                              [–]r3ll1sh 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Just checked, it looks like it's fixed!

                              [–]matthewhaleSurvived #GGinDC 2015 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Yeah, a wikipedia edit like that won't last long, just normal idiot trolling.

                              [–]sknot1454 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I love the fact that they're making it a race argument when the PCMR ideology literally boils down to admitting one piece of metal and plastic performs better than another piece of metal and plastic.

                              WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH RACE?! People of all races own consoles and the same goes for PCs.

                              It's just as retarded as saying "Grammar Nazi" is pretty close to actually being a Nazi. No, it is fucking not.

                              [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 39ポイント40ポイント  (26子コメント)

                              I think it's argubly relevant enough, that is indeed where the term Master Race came into being.

                              And Croshaw used the term in humor to make fun of the PC elitists by comparing them to that term.

                              The term pc master race isn't pro nazi, it's used in a sort of humorous/satirical way.

                              [–]ImielinRocks 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

                              I think it's argubly relevant enough, that is indeed where the term Master Race came into being.

                              No, it's about a century older. The origins are people trying to justify slavery and exploitation of colonies, not nazism.

                              [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Wow, then the lead should be entirely deleted because it's false in the first place.

                              [–]TekTekDude[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              And if they try to bring it back and make PCMR look bad, this should be put over their stuff.

                              [–]Gmtom 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/12882-The-PC-Master-Race-Discussion-Political-Correctness-vs-Language-

                              He says himself it was a Nazi reference. And it doesn't really matter where the term originally cam from the Nazis popularized it (just look at your graph) the swastika existed before the nazis but if PCMR or someone else started using it as their logo you'd be damn stupid not to mention the Nazis when talking about its origin,

                              [–]Kalahan7 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              Please. Let's stay real here. When you say "master race" the vast vast majority will think of one thing only, Nazi ideology.

                              That's where it came from in "PC Master Race".

                              That's because PC Master Race used to be satire. Unfortunately for everyone PC gamers take this PC Master Race thing more seriously every day to the point that many forgot it supposed to be satire. Not only wearing it as a satirical badge of honor but actually as a central focus of their gaming identity and community.

                              And now the link with Nazism is less then ideal so people make far fetched excuses to say it wasn't about nazi ideology at all when it so clearly was.

                              And that's all this is.

                              [–]CynicCorvus 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              TIL yahtzee has a real name.

                              [–]Coin0perated 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              On the Zero Punctuation videos and at The Escapist he's attributed on both as Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw and has for years

                              [–]CynicCorvus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Lol just realized. shows how much i take in at times , usually just click the play button for his videos

                              [–]Coin0perated 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              To be honest if I'd never have played his games ages ago I wouldn't have really known either. I'm just as unobservant at times.

                              [–]Coin0perated 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              It should be stated that it is an appropriation of term for etymology's sake. There doesn't need to be a clear cut nazi-germany parallel given at the start of the article.

                              Edited for redundancy/clarity

                              [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

                              The start of the article points out it's tongue in cheek.

                              [–]Coin0perated 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              In linguistic context, the master race concept is a Nazi ideology based around their perceived genetic superiority to all other races, which was eventually used to justify The Holocaust.

                              Should NOT be the start of the origin.

                              Even in the Talk it's brought up:

                              Assuming good faith stopped as soon as it became clear that he has a vendetta against the page. The reference to the origins of the term "Master Race" may belong here, but that doesn't mean that a summary of Naziism and the holocaust should be shoved in right at the beginning.

                              I am not saying it shouldn't be in the article at all. Just not the lead sentence in the origin of the term.

                              [–]vonmonologue 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              I don't think you need to try to link a tongue in cheek gaming movement to the Holocaust at all. Stating that the etymology comes from nazi Germany? Fine. It did. It's being used jokingly now, but that's still where the term came from.

                              Suggesting that PCMR Is somehow inspired by Nazism, the holocaust, eugenics, racial superiority, or literally anything the Nazis did or said is pure slander.

                              [–]Kevslounge 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              For all anyone knows it was probably inspired by a scene in Highlander, where the Nazi shouts at Connor McLeod and he dryly replies "Whatever you say Jack, you're the master race." before shooting him. At least I've always taken it that way, with it being a mockery of the PC gamer's perceived sense of superiority.

                              If it really was about mirroring nazi ideals, then the other half of the pair would be something other than "Console peasant",

                              [–]Cthulhumanism 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              You could maybe get away with discussing Godwin's Law if you were trying to relevantly illustrate its originating social context.

                              Skipping that step and talking directly about the Holocaust is not only kinda suspiciously bad-faith looking but also ignores that PCMR itself has evolved from a lazy autoGodwin to a florid mythology pulling from Nietzsche-ism rather than Nazism.

                              [–]Meowsticgoesnya0018-1877-0794 3DS Friend code, remember to give me yours 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Oh yeah, it should totally be moved to after I would think.

                              [–]pengalor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Indeed. It's what's called a 'leading statement', meant to influence the way the person thinks to taint whatever follows with a guided first impression.

                              [–]MyLittleFedora 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I don't think Yahtzee was trying to make an implicit Nazi reference, more he was making an "ubermensch" reference.

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                                [–]damadfaceinvasion 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                What's so funny is for all their talk of "cultural appropriation" they've done the same fucking shit to chan culture. They take certain parts of it as their own while demonizing at as a whole and not even attempting to understand it. Fuck these people.

                                [–]Deathcrow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That kinda shit is everywhere on Wikipedia now. I noticed it yesterday when looking up the original Stargate movie. At the bottom of the article they link you to this.

                                Apparently Wikipedia's editors feel it necessary to lecture you on these issues and explain to you why your entertainment is super problematic. Feels like a Anita Sarkeesian video to me. White guilt everywhere.

                                [–]urection 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                remind me again why referencing Wikipedia is basically grounds for expulsion at any decent school?

                                [–]TorgoForever 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                As if Wikipedia has any value to us anymore. Who is this supposed to even convince?

                                [–]RarelyReadReplies 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                A shitload of people use Wikipedia... You can't just live in a bubble if you want to affect any kind of meaningful change. They use media and shit to their advantage, and if you haven't realized, it's enormously useful. At least, that's my view on this type of thing.

                                [–]TekTekDude[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                It's supposed to convince SJWs and liars that they can't just band together and ruin stuff.

                                [–]Kdawg493 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Holy SHIT.

                                Master races and beliefs in them have existed for CENTURIES. Some followers of Islam saw themselves as superior, some people of Egypt, some of Israel (chosen by God). NAZIS DID NOT MAKE UP MASTER RACES

                                [–]Masterdoctorn7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Im going to take a picture of that and save it...I think someone will catch it and change it.

                                [–]AlVicious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                The one that edited the entry sounds like a butt hurt console peasant.

                                [–]AspsVeryDangerous 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                it's not even right about the Master Race origin. the Nazis took it from somewhere else and warped it their cause.

                                [–]apullin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Mentioning that in the article is fine, and helps connect the wikipedia knowledge graph. Still, it doesn't need to be in the intro & outline. A section at the bottom describing it, and using it as an opportunity to mention that the PCMR banner in gaming is not used to harm or malign people.

                                Heck, it is like how feminism disarm certain words by taking them back, using them, overloading the definitions, "cunt", "slut". Transgender people do it with "tranny", although that might have died out. Comedians do it with "nigger".

                                [–]Novril 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                so they don't understand tongue in cheek humor. What else is new?

                                [–]Array71 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I actually looked at the article recently, the nazi section did feel very out of place.

                                [–]CongenoRule #1: LISTEN & BELIEVE 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                This is what I think of when I hear the term "Master Race".

                                I've been wondering why people are coming out to complain about the term PC Master Race when it is so obviously harmless in its mentality. Hell, the article itself says that it has been reappropriated to mean something else.

                                [–]Rygar_the_Beast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Master Race was not invented by the Nazis. It was taken just like the Swastika, Eagles, Skulls, and the color red.

                                [–]teapot112 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I mean that term "Master race": did come from that master race ideology of the Nazi's. Thats pretty much relevant. Although I admit the holocaust part was a bit unnecessary.

                                And LOL at Nazi shaming. Those poor nazis who can't kill people in peace

                                Also, those edits are not there in the current version of that wiki article.

                                [–]TekTekDude[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I meant to say it's shaming people and trying to make them feel like Nazis. I kinda missed the nail.

                                [–]Klaw117 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                This is just sad. Not because it's partially irrelevant, but it's not even correct. The whole concept of "White Man's Burden" predates this by a century, even more if you want to lump slavery in here.

                                Also, how did the PCMR even warrant it's own article in the first place, no matter how neutral it is?

                                [–]TekTekDude[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                It just happened to have enough coverage from a lot of sources. Lots of seemingly uncoverable things get articles, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck_her_right_in_the_pussy

                                [–]SolGarfuncle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Is PCMR really a notable enough concept to even warrant a Wiki article?

                                [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Archive links for this post:

                                I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

                                [–]minimized1987 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I told my grandkids how life was in 2015 and the next I hear is that I was a neo nazi cat killing women hating homophobe because Wikipedia said so. Itistolateronpaul2012.jpg

                                [–]Kar98_Byf42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/11/26/master.term.reut/

                                [–]TekTekDude[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Well, the article is locked now. It was to be expected, but the good news is that the locked snapshot EXCLUDES this garbage section. This is good...

                                They'll be back, though. When that expires, they WILL try something. They'll want revenge. Currently, they seem to think this is coming from /r/PCMasterRace (because that's the only community that could ever be opposed to the Holocaust section being in the article about PC gaming, right?). Lol.

                                [–]tdtbaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                "nazi-shaming"

                                [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Archive links for this discussion:

                                I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

                                [–]Chris23235 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Paragraph in question not in the article already undone in the actual article.

                                EDIT: Downvoted for pointing out the paragraph in question isn't any more in the actual article? Strange reaction...

                                [–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Well this isn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.

                                The title of this post could've been a bit less dramatic. Moving on.

                                [–]Sockpuppet30342 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                If you ever needed proof that Wikipedia is garbage, the fact that it actually has an article on PC master race is probably all you need.

                                [–]SkyriderRJM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Why does a meme like "PC Master Race" have a wiki page to begin with...?

                                [–]TheLastAzaranian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                400 000 subscribers, and being in the top five steam curators, amongst other things.

                                [–]tfoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I was banned from pcmr because I mentioned this comparison. Im not really a gamer (anymore), so I dont really care. And I use a Mac and IPhone, so neither the target demographic of pcmr. I do like the professional and technical stuff that's posted on pcmr. I just really don't like the attitude of being supreme glorious or a failing peasant. I don't think its constructive and it won't help the just cause they are chasong. Because OBVIOUSLY pc's are way better than consoles (especially with steam). I too was really let down by the ps4's capabilities. Too bad the community is flooded with 14yr olds.

                                [–]tfoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Regarding this sub. I've stopped taking kotaku (and all gawker media) serious a long time ago. It was actually when they found/stole an prototype iphone and exploided it to the fullest clickbaity bullshit. Too bad this also happened to media such as huffpost (which used to be a proper media outlet, before aol bought it). Its nice to see how reddit and others fight for these causes.

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