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MasterCard cuts ties with Backpage.com after pressure from law enforcement: "If Visa also stops allowing use of their cards on the site, users will only be able to pay with Bitcoin." (washingtonpost.com)

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[–]pluribusblanks 190ポイント191ポイント  (33子コメント)

“we have objectively found [Web sites like Backpage] promote prostitution and facilitate online sex trafficking.”

Apparently the Mayor of Chicago Cook County Sheriff thinks he should be able to shut down payments to any business at will merely by asserting that he has "objectively found" that they are criminals, without actually charging anyone with a crime and proving it in a court of law.

“It’s hard to solve this problem under the criminal code,” Cramer said. “People are buying ads, and the owners of the website aren’t theoretically doing anything illegal. They are providing a forum.”

But they are being punished anyway. If a business is breaking the law, they should be charged with a crime and convicted by a jury of their peers. They should not have their business handicapped by extra judicial means.

These kind of abuses show why decentralized electronic money is important.

[–]esterbrae 33ポイント34ポイント  (8子コメント)

objectively found" that they are criminals, without actually charging anyone with a crime and proving it in a court of law.

Worse; he admits they arent technically commiting any crime at all, simple providing a communications forum for others who may or may not be commiting crimes.

[–]bitlord666 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

WEB HOSTING IS NOT A CRIME!!!!!

[–]cadencehz 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

WEB HOSTS MATTER!!!!!!!

[–]DakotaChiliBeans 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Forgot the Hashtag.

WebHostsMatter

edited. Hrmmm apparently can't put the hash symbol on here.

[–]glennlopez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

#WebHostsMatter does work, just put a space before your hashbrowns

[–]thanosied 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tell that to Ross Ulbrictch.

[–]Noosterdam 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well the Feds did go through a lot of trouble to set up actual drug deals and other crimes for him to engage in, presumably because they weren't comfortable relying solely on the fact that he provided an ebay-like service that was used by drug traders.

[–]Multicorn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile the UK is trying to make encryption illegal - because terrorists and pedophiles, amirite?

[–]locke-ama-gi 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if it will ever get through to the people who favor this sort of thing that they are just one election away from being in the crosshairs themselves.

[–]aspensmonster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Revolving door. Doesn't matter if they're out of the public office. They'll be in another office in short order if they kowtow.

[–]waigl 44ポイント45ポイント  (9子コメント)

These kind of abuses show why decentralized electronic money is important.

No, these kind of abuses show why a reform in law enforcement is necessary. Bitcoin could help a little bit in this particular instance, but the general problem is much bigger.

[–]Natanael_L 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Whynotboth.jpg

[–]rr159 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also legalising prostitution might help a little bit.

[–]marcoski711 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would help a lot actually. The issue isn't so much prostitution per se, but trafficking, abuse, loss of freedoms of the girls involved. That's the problem to solve, not some proxy of it.

[–]2-bit-tipper 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Monopoly money is the problem.

[–]ChickenOfDoom 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cook County Sheriff Thomas Dart sent a letter to both Visa and MasterCard Monday asking them to disallow use of their cards by patrons of the site.

If anything this is an abuse by payment processors, not law enforcement. It isn't like MasterCard has any legal obligation or pressure to comply with this kind of request from a county sheriff.

[–]Noosterdam 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you're right, there is more nuance to it. Ultimately, though, it's a government-created sanction because there are no doubt many laws on the books that make it difficult to compete with Visa and Mastercard, and even laws that could be used against Visa and Mastercard if they processed payments for certain politically disfavored services.

[–]ChickenOfDoom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and even laws that could be used against Visa and Mastercard if they processed payments for certain politically disfavored services.

But there are ways for the government to directly, legally prohibit processing payments for particular entities. Has a payment processor ever gotten in legal trouble for processing payments to someone where there was no explicit prohibition? I'm kind of skeptical about that.

it's a government-created sanction because there are no doubt many laws on the books that make it difficult to compete with Visa and Mastercard

Regardless of government intervention, I think payment processing services naturally gravitate towards a monopoly situation. Supporting additional services is a significant burden on retailers, and by choosing the one with the largest userbase they maximize their chances that any given customer can pay while keeping things simple. From a consumer perspective it's the same; how many companies support a processor is the biggest factor in which one is practical for them to adopt. There's a very strong feedback loop here where the biggest companies have a huge advantage without any need for protectionism.

[–]Spats_McGee 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

reform in law enforcement

See, what we need to do is to get the government to regulate the government! Then when the regulators get corrupt, we need more regulators on top of that. It's regulators all the way up!

[–]evoorhees 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brilliantly said.

[–]bassjoe 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Next, he's going to go after ICANN for allowing these websites to exist.

[–]kryptobs2000 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And dell, microsoft , Google, Firefox etc for facilitating their access. Also car manufacturers and public transit for facilitating the meetings. Oh, also himself for not doing his fucking job.

[–]fnordfnordfnordfnord 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Know who else provides a forum? The public works dep't. "...we have objectively found that [sidewalks] promote prostitution and facilitate in-person sex trafficking.” Those darn sidewalks need to be pulled up. /s

[–]bomb_jockey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this is exactly why Bitcoin will be huge. Once people get tired of banks and the law doing shit like this just because they can basically.

In a Bitcoin world, no one can shut down your payments, ever.

[–]joeydekoning 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/changetip amen

[–]changetip 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Bitcoin tip for 1 amen (1,873 bits/$0.50) has been collected by pluribusblanks.

what is ChangeTip?

[–]dskloet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a free world, payment processors would be free to do business (or not do business) with whomever they please.

[–]kinyutaka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In all fairness, while Backpage can be used for legitimate transactions, akin to Craigslist, many sections are flooded with prostitutes escorts.

It doesn't matter if you are selling candy and sodas, if you sell crack from your store, it can be seized under the current laws.

Edit - I search through Backpage semi regularly to check for hooked using my hotel... the "legitimate escorts" who "only charge for time and not for sex" all have pictures that say shit like "these lips are magic".

[–]bobthesponge1 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well explained insight. $0.50 /u/changetip.

[–]changetip 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Bitcoin tip for 1,839 bits ($0.50) has been collected by pluribusblanks.

what is ChangeTip?

[–]pluribusblanks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks!

[–]paoreus 27ポイント28ポイント  (5子コメント)

Visa followed suit. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/07/01/visa-mastercard-stop-business-with-backpage/29558315/

[–]kuui1 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

damn that was quick! Freedom was is it good for?

Bitcoin = freedom

which is its best selling point IMO

[–]BitcoinIsLiberty 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin IS liberty! ;)

[–]BitttBurger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yay!! Now Bitcoin can be the currency everyone associates with drugs and prostitution again! It's been so long.

[–]bomb_jockey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin = not being victimized by over-zealous lawmakers, police, and banks.

[–]Egon_1[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvotes!

[–]Jessie_James 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

Right, because forcing customers to use an anonymized payment method will surely make it easier for law enforcement to track criminals.

Worlds dumbest cops here, I'm telling you.

[–]ineedofscience 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Could be all planned out so they can say its bitcoins fault all these bad things are happening.

[–]corporate_complicity 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can say anything they want about BTC. The important thing is that it can't be shut down like centralized payment networks.

[–]Jessie_James 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that makes sense. They'll probably try to ban it or make BC illegal. Gah.

[–]fnordfnordfnordfnord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not planned, but bet your last Bitcoin that they will take full advantage when it becomes convenient.

[–]px403 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Visa and Mastercard regularly use their positions as pervasive payment networks to push their own social agendas.

[–]aveman101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They don't want to track criminals, they want to shut down the site. By pressuring visa and MasterCard to withdraw support for the business, it might eventually become unsustainable and close down.

[–]twfry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But now there is an option that is outside of the FRN FED system. Whoops

[–]kuui1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Operation Choke Point

[–]Riiume 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

HODLERS!!! Prepare for glory!

[–]kuui1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been thinking about this since the story broke. Backpages is well established for this niche, so if their users actually stay and not leave for another classified platform, this could easily be the most volume transactions business-wise for Bitcoin. This might be huge!

[–]Sherlockcoin 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bitcoin Dodge and LTC accepted: http://i.imgur.com/kUz7OYS.jpg

[–]kuui1 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

A friend of mine uses BTC to post there because Chase kept blocking the charges via her visa check card.

[–]ApplicableSongLyric 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've ran into the same thing with 100% legitimate, non-shady transactions, like with fiverr. Something about their credit processors being involved with fraud and transactions were stopped until they sorted it out and it's like "well, this has to be done yesterday" so I went ahead and dug into my BTC reserves. Been doing it ever since and just plan ahead to take out the payment ahead of time so I have the reserve.

[–]anddrade 9ポイント10ポイント  (12子コメント)

This could be Bitcoin's killer app.

[–]cadencehz 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sex is always the driving force behind innovation and change.

[–]Maox 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought that was war.

[–]aveman101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, 3D TV has really taken off thanks to the porn industry. /s

[–]sulaymanf -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, just no. What better way to harm bitcoin by further associating it with criminal activity? Wasn't The Silk Road and its sequels bad enough PR? It's bad reputation is preventing more mainstream retailers from getting on board.

[–]Holographiks 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

That might be correct, but personal freedom is more important than mainstream acceptance and our trip to the moon.

Drugs and prostitution are not things that I personally use, or something that play any kind of role in my life, but they shouldn't be illegal.

Drug addiction should be treated as a health problem, not a criminal problem. Furthermore, prostitution should most definitely be legal and regulated. This would have a positive effect on the lives of the prostitutes, as shown in various jurisdictions around the world.

People should not be persecuted just because a few powerful people feel a sense of superior morals. I'm willing to postpone the moon expedition, if it means that oppressed people have a way to fight for their freedoms using bitcoin. /rant

[–]sulaymanf -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you want Bitcoin to be a Libertarian-only currency, go ahead. It will just be a lonely niche one.

[–]Holographiks 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't want that, and never said I did. Bitcoin is for everyone, regardless of political views.

Besides, you don't have to be a libertarian to share my opinion on legalization of drugs and prostitution, you just need some human empathy.

[–]sulaymanf 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I do have empathy; so many women are in the sex trade involuntarily. There's countless reports and interviews on the subject on reddit and elsewhere.

[–]Holographiks 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but the legalization and regulation would most likely make it harder to operate with involuntary sex workers. I don't think the problem will ever go away, no matter what we do, but I think legalization is definitely a step in the right direction.

I'm sure you have empathy btw, most humans do, didn't mean to imply that you didn't.

[–]Not_Pictured 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What good is empathy that doesn't force you to transcend from your whims to reality? Good intentions pave the road to hell.

[–]ZeroH0ur 10ポイント11ポイント  (20子コメント)

Police are stupid going after backpage. It's low hanging fruit for them.

What's really needed is a darknet market for sex workers. Reviews, email encryption and bitcoin would surely complicate the job for law enforcement and make things safer for all parties.

[–]primarydole 13ポイント14ポイント  (17子コメント)

To make sex trafficking easier? I'm all for consensual sex, prostitution or otherwise, but sexual slavery is a very real thing and a darknet for prostitution would benefit organized rings, not individual girls looking to make a few bucks.

[–]kwanijml 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm so not sure. I think that's kind of like saying that BitTorrent will benefit the big record labels more than the individual, independent artists. Decentralization seems to give a comparative advantage to the smaller unit.

[–]ZeroH0ur 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

99.9% of men are not interested in trafficed sex slaves. Having a safe forum and reviews would drive business away from the bad actors and to good providers.

This sex slave bs is now justification for going after consenting adults hurting nobody.

But what about the children?!!

[–]primarydole 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's the thing about prostitution, in most situations you don't know if someone is being coerced. And the few freelance prostitutes I've met would have no idea how to operate .tor safely. On the other hand, groups that are already involved in .tor illegal activity would flock to it.

[–]Spats_McGee 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the thing about prostitution, in most situations you don't know if someone is being coerced.

If they're able to have an open marketplace with reviews, doesn't that help the situation more than having everything occur in the dark?

And the few freelance prostitutes I've met would have no idea how to operate .tor safely.

Could have said the same thing about cell phones 20 years ago. :) People adapt remarkably quickly to new technologies that make their lives easier.

[–]primarydole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it would make a difference, no. If someone or some group of people runs a girl or a group of girls, customer reviews aren't going to help. You think the girl is going to tell the john that she is under duress? And that the john then will write about that in an online review? If she does she gets disappeared and said person or people just open up shop under a different name. Also darknet marketplaces are NOT open, the are anonymous, that's the point. An open marketplace for prostitution would be a place like the Bunny Ranch where all the players are known and held accountable. You are basically arguing to trust the free market to protect against sexual slavery and abuse.

[–]JonnyLay -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It could help...some, barely, but not really.

Really what would help the most is to just legalize prostitution...

[–]ZeroH0ur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure you do. It's pretty fucking obvious actually.

[–]JonnyLay 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Think about the long game. An 8 year old can work a computer better than a 40 year old hooker. So...This is getting weird to type...But, so when this 8 years old becomes a 20 year old hooker, she'll be able to do this with tor, no problem.

[–]primarydole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, point taken ;)

[–]CC_EF_JTF 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm afraid that young folks only appear to be more tech savvy, since they're used to the interfaces presented to them. But they aren't actually any more knowledgeable about how hardware or software work than their parents.

There are exceptions, but I think ~30 year old folks are the most tech savvy age group, since they grew up with computers but also had to understand how they worked to use them.

I'm trying to make sure my kids see the guts and software first-hand (such as giving them Raspberry Pis and showing them how they work). But in real life they mostly just tap icons to launch apps on their devices. That doesn't require technical skill.

[–]pdtmeiwn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

a darknet for prostitution would benefit organized rings, not individual girls looking to make a few bucks.

based on?

[–]marcoski711 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here here. Been saying for years it's all about the supplychain. 'Freedom' to choose product x is bullshit if hundreds of others' freedoms are revoked in order for you to have yours.

[–]jdepps113 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Forcing all this stuff into black markets run by criminals is exactly the reason that it's accompanied by so much crime and involuntary servitude.

[–]primarydole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's true, and a darknet prostitution marketplace would be a black market run by criminals. Unregulated outside of consumer reviews and totally in the dark. That's not going to stop sex trafficking. Legalizing prostitution and bringing it in to the light might help. But again, a better example of that would be the Bunny Ranch and other legal brothels. Where workers are kept track of and tested frequently.

[–]manginahunter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but it will need to make the use of the website easy, easy for it's end user...

[–]kryptobs2000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How would a darknet market for sex workers work? Seems like a great honeypot to me. Imagine a silk road w/o the mail system and its just a way for dealers to arrange meetups with customers, the police would quickly be 99% of the customer base. Dumbass idea. Maybe once we figure out how to anonymously mail blowjobs you'll have a feasible idea here.

[–]bitedge 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

users will only be able to pay with Bitcoin.

If they use bitpay or coinbase as a processor that could get shut down just as easily.

[–]giszmo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

users will only be able to pay with Bitcoin.

If they use bitpay or coinbase as a processor that could get shut down just as easily.

… I doubt they would take more than a day to replace it with something else if it makes sense. If nobody uses bitcoins then yeah, you might be right. They might just remove that, too, but as they are for profit, I doubt that's what they would do.

[–]bassjoe 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about just legalizing the sex trade and bringing it out into the open? That will do a lot more to help women and girls -- the people the Cook County Sheriff supposedly cares about -- than its continued criminalization.

[–]kuui1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same with drugs. Yet somehow too many people are fine trying to enforce their morals onto others by way of state-sponsored violence .

[–]YRuafraid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this the site where you can pay for escorts? Sign me up

[–]DexterousRichard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really interesting. I think that hookers might just be able to swing buying some btc from circle to place an ad now and then.

So then what happens? They learn about how awesome Bitcoin is, and start accepting it for jobs. They can now turn it around into ads at backpage again.

Imagine 9 mil a month in extra demand, plus increasing adoption and holding by prostitutes. Could be a real positive feedback leading to growth.

[–]AbsoluteZero2 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Backpage alone does 1.4 million sales a month, that is 0.5 transaction per second. Tell them to use a sidechain or something. We can't handle them now.

[–]anddrade 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

If that is the number, then we actually can!

[–]mrpg_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe this would put some extra pressure on the blocksize debate.

[–]eedna 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

backpage hookers are not going to figure out bitcoin

they'll move to another site first

[–]paoreus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The sales numbers reported vary widely and as BP is a private company could be vastly underestimated.

[–]Egon_1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/77moody77 any comments? ⚆ _ ⚆

[–]avocadosandham 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tugjobs - Bitcon's true use case

[–]WellsHunter 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Every month Backpage generates $9,000,000 worth of sales.

That would be over $100,000,000 worth of transactions yearly for bitcoin just from that one site!

[–]barbe_du_cou 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

unless their revenue suffers as a result and they no longer do $9 million in sales per month.

[–]WellsHunter 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

This $9,000,000 comes almost entirely comes from the sex trade. That was the reason the credit card companies stopped accepting payments from Backpage.

Those ladies are not going to close their legs and get a real job. All they will do is buy some bitcoin to place their ads.

This is one of their top spots for generating business. Obtaining bitcoin is a very small hurdle to jump to ensure a happy ending. (double entendre intended).

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    [–]WellsHunter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How is being honest sexist. They have sex for money.

    This ongoing attack on honesty in the name of being politically correct needs to stop.

    [–]paulmadore 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No different than saying Kim Dotcom was a pirate by proxy and pressuring Paypal and the others to cut off with him, or that Ross Ulbricht was some kind of kingpin drug dealer when he only ever sold a batch of mushrooms himself, except these people on the Craigslist competitor will literally have no other way to get their businesses going.

    So they'll go back to the traditional way of doing it, standing on the street. More of them will be harmed, which will mean more business for law enforcement. More of them will be caught, which will mean more business for law enforcement. The same amount or more will go into the sex trade, as the overwhelming evidence suggests that prohibition does not equal elimination.

    More business for law enforcement means less money for everyone else.

    Less money for everyone else means less money for prostitutes. Except it doesn't, since psychologically we just tend to spend on our vices no matter how much they cost.

    So less money for everyone else equals the same situation.

    So this is a really bad idea for everyone except law enforcement, who are already overpaid, underworked, and generally full of shit.

    The best part is they're just a few years away from none of this mattering. Whether you do it via Backpage or you do it on the street, CCTV or NSA will know about it. And if it's on the list of things you're not allowed to do because we don't talk about it, then you're fucked beyond a reasonable doubt.

    [–]kuui1 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Are you sure they'll go back to the 'ol fashion way? I personally know someone who posts there using Bitcoin and she's not very computer savy. She learned how out of necessity because her bank was blocking her from purchasing ads and backpages is where all the web traffic for these sorts of thing happen to be.

    So if Backpages still remains the place where customers looking for such services go, I'd not be surprised to see most of their users to start using bitcoin.

    Setting up a Coinbase or circle account is no more difficult than setting up a paypal account.

    [–]paulmadore 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Both Coinbase and Circle are subject to the same pressure that Visa and Mastercard are buckling under. Maybe you could have some old krone go and educate them all on how to use their own wallets, and then ensure them against theft. Really, there's some kid like the one in Dope the movie who's got a huge business opportunity ahead of him, in the education of prostitutes industry. Just teach them all how it actually works. They'll pay attention. It's their money.

    As to cashing out, they'll be stuck with LocalBitcoins, won't they? In the end, as ever, all the traditional methods will fail them so long as what they're doing is unregulated and technically illegal.

    [–]kuui1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My friend has been using coinbase to purchase her ads without issue. But youre correct that that doesn't mean they won't face the same pressures as Visa/Mastercard in the future. As of right now, however, it works fine.

    As for how they get paid for their services, it usually tends to be cash only, but now that they'll need BTC to pay for their ads more of them may be willing to accept it as payment to use later for their adverts.

    Edit: you're right about this being a huge opportunity to educate their industry. Perhaps we should put some ads on Backpages.com telling them to come the Bitcoin subreddit if they have any questions or need help getting started w/ wallets etc.

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    [–]HagBolder -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Hmmm I wonder, will people buy bitcoin or just use one of the other 400 classified sites. Man I dunno tough call.

    [–]kuui1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing about Backpages is that's where almost all ads are posted for Escorts/Backrubs, etc. So for everyone to magically switch to the same new classified ad platform would be tricky at best.

    [–]Natalia_AnatolioPAMM -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I guess they will buy bitcoin anyway. they trust it

    [–]Anen-o-me 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Credit card companies are becoming an arm of the state, politicized.

    [–]raecarruth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Becoming?

    The financial services industry is entwined with the political landscape.

    [–]hendrixski 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm glad they're exploring economic weapons of combatting the exploitation of women. But this seems like the WRONG choice of methods. They should be doing it by guaranteeing that employers of sex workers provide them with healthcare, benefits, and access to H.R. departments that can enforce policies against discrimination or sexual harassment, etc. etc. THAT would put a dent in the industry.

    [–]kuui1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's known as harm reduction and makes perfect sense which is why it has gained almost no traction in the USSA. It seems the majority here prefer the backward ways of criminalizing behavior they deem to be immoral.

    It's the same thing with the war on drugs. Harm reduction would benefit most everybody yet they still rather throw people in cages without thinking critically about how it causes more harm to society than good.

    [–]weejocktiny -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good.

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      [–]kuui1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well Visa and American Express did the same thing and cut backpages.com off so I fail to see your point. They all suck.