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Non-PoliticalWas Partitioning India a good-bad/right-wrong thing? (self.india)

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[–]gurughantaal -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

The point was Muslims exist in India because of Gandhi. Personally that was a step backwards.

I should just direct you to

8ch.net/pol/catalog.html

(same as 8chan.co). Just search for muslim, Islam, kebab etc. You can see what the end goal of the shia Sunni wars in the Middle East is, how they are the easiest Jew puppets to control. The red pill is hard to swallow and it may be a shock but its very real.

I respect Islam, don't get me wrong, they had a great civilization, but the current truth is their golden age is long gone. UK, USSR, Israel and the US have/had a huge role in fucking them up. Sad truth is Muslims can live peacefully only when they have the entire country to themselves. Even then they fight (Syrian military - rebels, shias - Sunnis). Isis supporters pop up here and there among civilians and Isis recruitment is common among Scandinavian and some other European countries.

They have forgotten any kind of honor in wars (raping women, children, recent attacks on Tunisian tourists - mostly old people). The only way to stay peaceful with Muslims is to stay away from them. Regression to the mean is a real thing. Even if you have that one Muslim friend who is really cool, his offspring is still going to be a threat, because Quran is still the same and it's indoctrinaing power combined with the constant media exposure to atrocities in the Middle East by Muslims or the west is bound to brainwash some idiot.

How does it affect India? Well, we are moving towards 20% muslim population. Some kind of religious war is inevitable. Even the military cannot fight it's own civilians if the insurgents are spread every fucking where.

[–]zuxfer 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've read for the past 60-70 minutes. I also did read what you've summarized.

the tl;dr version of what you wrote was - "Gandhi didn't drive away ALL the Muslims in country. Hence the partition wasn't a good deal because of his involvement".

I like to elaborate more on this , but something tells me you are not going to like/accept it. So my tl;dr rant would be "Don't blame a person for not being a bigot".

[–]gurughantaal -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

See I understand he was a good person. But some of the great leaders in the last 3000 years have taken tough decisions to make sure their own people live in peace. Truth is if Muslims were all sent to Pakistan we would've been closer to peace. Gandhi should realize not everyone is like him. Bura mat suno and dekho doesn't work in life. He should've seen what men are really like. Probably read some more history books. His one step in ignorance has caused so many lives and unrest in this nation. You wouldn't want the Dalai Lama to head the nation would you. Like a five year old Gandhi simply kept saying violence is bad war is bad. But Hindu muslim riots pre independence were real. That was the fucking truth. Why the fuck did he ignore that? This was a classic case where even if reality was different he couldn't change his own perception of it. In his own imaginary world everything was hunky dory. What was the point in forcing two incompatible religion together?

Also the fact that he gets credit for independence is bullshit. England was fucked by the Second World War and was in the process of exiting colonies anyways. They took what they could and fucked off. If anything Gandhi helped the Britishers in controlling us. We never had any movement. Bhagat Singh is also remembered as a martyr but his contributions were insignificant. Mr. Bose was the only one who was going to make a difference but he was killed most likely by the British with Indians help.

[–]zuxfer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, First things first - Imagine the scenario where a country, that just fought its way to independence by preaching the importance of freedom, decided to drive away all the muslims from their home lands. What good does a 100 year fight for independence do, if we don't honor the personal freedom of its citizens.

And yes there were Hindu Muslim riots pre independence too. But would separating both the sects keep them away from fighting with each other? How did it work with all the wars we had with pakistan?

Gandhi played a bigger role in independence. No one puts Swaraj entirely on gandhi's resume. But you have to admit, he did the most damage to British Colonial Empire than any other freedom fighter. Gandhi realized that any amount of mighty army from a rather disoriented group of provinces is not going to win a battle against the mighty allied forces. So he hit British the most where it hurted. Western Media. He made sure that entire world heard the fact that the Land of Gentlemen isn't so gentle with administration in its colonies. He weakened the moral highground that British held in the global politics. No amount of army or revolutionary forces could have done the same.

I admire Bhagat Singh and Bose for their intent. Not a fan of their ideologies though. (do you know about the hiter-bose connection?)

[–]perseus0807 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know you have problems when you take /pol/ seriously.

[–]gurughantaal -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Name one country you think is the closest to utopia.

[–]perseus0807 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have forgotten any kind of honor in wars (raping women, children, recent attacks on Tunisian tourists - mostly old people)

Honour in wars is a bullshit non-existent concept that people thought up to help themselves sleep at night.