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I'm disappointed at GamerGate tonight: concerning shitposting #Digraa (self.KotakuInAction)

deadrebel が 投稿

This isn't going to be a popular opinion, which is probably part of the problem. Been with GG since Aug (like that matters, it's the point not the person right) and tonight I'm disappointed.

The shitposting all over #Digraa is just childish people - they're pretty terrible people with really bad ideas, but instead of taking them on their arguments, there's just a bunch of useless tweets about how "GG is taking over". Aren't we better than that?

I'm not trying to tone-police, because I'm not telling you how to say "GG is taking over" - it's pointless to the conversation no matter how you say it.

I'm not a shill, check my post history.

I'm not a Digraa fan, but you don't defeat them by acting like children.

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[–]vaoe 98ポイント99ポイント  (38子コメント)

I agree, but then again, people are free to do what they want. These assholes will always be trolled and their hashtags will always be shitposted. The best thing you can do is join in the conversation in the way that you feel is adequate.

Complaining here isn't going to do much.

[–]Skragzilla 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not up on this particular event, but in general I think it's a good thing that the SJW patrol can never poke its head out of the hugbox without hearing boos anymore.

[–]deadrebel[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. I just thought by saying something here, it would give others in GG that agree a chance to say something too. That's the point of "complaining" - which is nothing more than trying to share a conscious.

[–]fattuccinocrapeles 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Twitter is terrible.

[–]yutt0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is well-known some of the most active and vocal pro-GG people on Twitter are dramatic, destructive idiots.

I rarely visit myself for that reason. There are a lot of super-cool folks there as well, it was how I originally got involved in GamerGate, but a lot of them are here too.

shrug

[–]lucben999 62ポイント63ポイント  (6子コメント)

You should have noticed this already if you've been with GG since August, the twitter front likes to do lots of pointless and counter-productive stuff with the excuse of "having fun" and they tend to get extremely mad when you point it out. There's some real edgelords who are very touchy about their shitposting, it's best to just let it blow over unless they do something really stupid, calling them out on it only creates tons of drama unfortunately.

[–]vonmonologue 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

isn't that the ayyy team at work? The people who decided actually accomplishing stuff isn't fun enough and decided to shitpost and troll under the GG banner instead?

[–]phil_katzenberger 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

People like OP reacting like this is a troll's bread and butter.

[–]sunnyta 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

it pisses me off how many edgelords and 15 year old shitposters think that it's just SO FUNNY to spam hashtags

it isn't even clever and just brings down gamergate as a whole. use logic, not spam.

[–]deadrebel[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah... it's frustrating. :/ It's this kind of thing that's going to trip us up. The worst of what we do will be a detractor of the best we can accomplish...

[–]ShadistsReddit 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And thus is every group, large and small, since the dawn of time... though twitter certainly seems to make it worse due to the ease of being a twit.

[–]mancubus314159 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, every one of your comments in this thread is in the positive. What now?

[–]scytheavatar 40ポイント41ポイント  (24子コメント)

taking them on their arguments

How the freak are we supposed to do that? When they clearly don't want to engage with us?

[–]deadrebel[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (22子コメント)

They don't need to - but others that see your arguments have more material to make up their minds with.

What is shitposting going to accomplish? Has anyone stopped to ask that?

[–]scytheavatar 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Think you need to understand how twitter and hashtags works, Diagra still has a lot of things to answer for. This is just us reminding the people at Diagra that we are still extremely unhappy about them and we aren't going to let them ignore us, so they should do something about it.

And also it's freaking social media, what gives Diagra the right to decide who gets to post what in any hashtag?

[–]ineedanacct 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

what gives Diagra the right to decide who gets to post what in any hashtag?

Welcome to society. There's nothing stopping you from sprinkling chocolate around at a dog park either, but luckily most people aren't gigantic douchebags.

[–]slimthigh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

most people aren't gigantic douchebags.

I beg to differ. Enough time on the internet has shown me the exact opposite. Even the normalfags can be monsters if they feel their target "deserves it".

[–]deadrebel[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think YOU need to understand how a lot of things work - Digra doesn't have to answer to their stupid shit any more than the Westboro Baptist Church does. They exist, they're dumb, so what. In both cases, the attention they seek is given to them by people who stand in opposition of them. Shitposting is fanning the flames.

They're HAPPY you're not ignoring them, throwing drivel at them so they can use it strengthen their narrative, instead of countering with well-reasoned arguments that make them look bad, not us.

[–]scytheavatar 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Expect Diagra isn't Westboro Baptist Church. They are supposed to be an academic organization that behave professionally and have an influence on the games industry. We are making it clear to the neutrals that in our eyes they have no legitimacy, and they are welcomed to support Diagra and listen to what they say at their own risk.

[–]Radiodef 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a neutral and IMO shitposting the DiGRA hashtag makes GamerGate look pretty dumb, FWIW.

[–]dualplains 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a neutral and IMO shitposting the DiGRA hashtag makes GamerGate look pretty dumb

I'm not neutral, definitely GG and I agree wholeheartedly. It lowers the tone of what we're striving for.

[–]madhousechild 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are making it clear to the neutrals that in our eyes they have no legitimacy

No, we're making it clear that we can be brats.

[–]deadrebel[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm sure you're making it clear to neutrals that this academic institution has no legitimacy with posts like:

Hey #Digraa, you have no escape. You pseudo-academic morons are now exposed by gamers. No chance glance!

Oh #digraa, guess who decided to crash your latest not-so-secret circlejerk.

That's a nice hashtag you got there #digraa It'd be a real shame if someone were to commandeer it.

Really enlightened stuff there - I can see the neutrals swarming to our cause.

[–]CaesarCzech 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

so once again good intent bad execution, seems like being Headless group without Leaders has it bad sides.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

As long as it is not doing any harm, what's the downside?

I'm 100% opposed to taking over hashtags belonging to neutrals. But DiGRA is the enemy.

[–]Sakai88 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Some people are taking this whole thing waaaay to far. "Digra is the enemy." Is this a war?

[–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently, it's a rather one-sided war, seeing as we do not have the stomach to fight back.

[–]DzhusyDzhuus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a difference between fighting back and just acting like an idiot in front of your opponent.

[–]deadrebel[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

The downside is that GG looks like spiteful children... shit maybe most of us are, I don't know.

Shitposting is fun, isn't it. Feels good right? They're "the enemy" so who cares right? How a man treats his enemies says a lot about a man.

[–]Dyalibya 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

The downside is that GG looks like spiteful children

Doesn't matter, we already look like racist misogynistic terrorists, fuck PR

[–]DzhusyDzhuus 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's exactly what they want you to do. You end up proving their baseless accusations right and have no place to call them liars at that point.

[–]Dyalibya 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really, I will only prove that I'm a shitposter

[–]DzhusyDzhuus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let me know when shitposting wins over moderates or makes you look like the sane party.

[–]Dyalibya 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone who is remotely relevant has already picked a side

[–]deadrebel[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Living up to appearances is different to having your appearance misrepresented.

[–]Dyalibya -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed

[–]madhousechild 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Mom, they started it!

[–]Okichah 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shitposting on Twitter is a problem with Twitter.

[–]Hurin_T 11ポイント12ポイント  (8子コメント)

In gaming terms Digra is the final boss. It is the well from where all the evil anti-gamer rhetoric flows from. These are the people providing the SJW's with the intellectual ammunition they use to attack gamer culture.

Why do they hate us? Because gaming favorites skills over privilege, which to an SJW is like holy water to a demon.

I wish, I were exaggerating. But if you think I am, then you haven't heard about the progressive stack that destroyed the occupy movement

[–]ev1lb1t 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 0 score I found on this and the fact this entire submission is on the front page after the people expressing this shit were perma-banned for posting in bad faith not 10 hours ago proves this sub is being brigaded pretty hard.

I'm also in negative comment karma for defending the confederate flag.

We're in SRD level brigading territory and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Randi's goons which we were alerted to yesterday evening.

[–]deadrebel[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

If it's the final boss, you don't go in slamming the buttons. You pick a strategy knowing the game mechanics you learnt defeating previous bosses.

Shitposting is slamming the keyboard and hope you beat the final boss. So yes, I understand WHY people want to shitpost Digra. I know they're horrible people who manipulate their ideology all over the show BUT I don't see the value of shitposting and I'm calling it out. Fuck me.

[–]ev1lb1t 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

If it's the final boss, you don't go in slamming the buttons.

Fail analogy is fail. You can't make the socjus cultists and DiGRA your friends.

You ridicule them publicly and destroy their credibility with dossiers of dug-up info.

That's what people crapping up their hashtag were doing.

[–]Maxcoseti 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who said anything about making them your friends? That sounds like a black & white proposition to me

[–]ev1lb1t 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're taking a conciliatory angle. Conciliatory angles imply you can recruit to your cause. No, you will not recruit DiGRA, who were quoted verbatim in the gamers are dead articles, to your cause, and you won't inform anyone of their corruption, at least through twitter, unless you picket their hashtags.

[–]Maxcoseti 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, to criticize shitposting is not taking a conciliatory postition, that's your first non-sequitur, conciliatory angles do not necessarily imply you want to recruit to your cause, there are many other factors that can be involved, non-sequitur numero 2, and finaly even if you want to take a conciliatory & recruiting approach, that doesn't mean you have to recruit DiGRA itself, you may for example, want to recruit people on the outside, that's 3 non-sequuntur too many, what I said stands, you are seeing the issue as black & white, and that's counterproductive, just sayin

[–]madhousechild 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's also the wider public whom we try and try to convince that we have legit concerns and we're not about harassment, many of whom are not on Twitter all day lobbing insults.

[–]ev1lb1t 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ridicule of DiGRA is not "harassment", it's self-defense. DiGRA are a bunch of dyed-in-wool SJW's who are fueling the type of material seen in the "gamers are dead" articles. There have been rules of engagement here. Thus far I have yet to see the NSFW stuff used when legitimately trying to ruffle non-professional aGGro hashtags on twitter.

Our public image will only improve when DiGRA's is trashed, and drowning their hashtags in infographics and ridicule is one way to do that.

[–]skyoctopus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's always a good idea to ask for more sensible conversation.

[–]Reginleifer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a shill, check my post history.

That's exactly what a shill would say. #longcon. ARE YOU PROTECTING DIGRAA? HOW MANY HOTPOCKETS DID THEY PAY YOU?!?!?

OP has a point though, I don't really respect our opponents and really couldn't care less how they feel, but gee gee is taking over has the potential like many other behaviors to be taken out of context and misrepresented by SJW's.

There was a point made to me when I made post concerning Chairman Pao, that KiA got this size in order to be ABLE to do these sorts of things, but unlike THAT situation, gg is taking over seems to have no tangible benefits. It probably makes people defensive.

[–]ineedanacct 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see the point in tweeting at SJW's period

[–]sunnyta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

this

if they want their safe spaces so bad, fucking ignore them. you're playing into what they want by "harassing" and responding to them

[–]Sargo8 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Shitposting lets us blow off steam. We've given them facts. They've had 9 months to collect real fucking evidence. What they find evidence for? nothing but listen and believe. and omitting evidence to support the narrative. https://saraarahman.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/biased-cyberhate-researcher-my-response/

Fuck them. They can't do their job. Now they get My little Pony.

[–]sunnyta 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

you're just giving them reason to complain more, i hope you know

if you starve them out and don't do stupid things, they have nothing on you. now they can point to screencaps, and especially this topic, and prove ill will and possibly even harassment. it's idiotic. keep your shitposting to *chans and try not to drag GG as a whole with you

[–]Sargo8 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have loved to keep my shitposting to the chans, except i was censored and banned from them. Back in august. I'm gonna do whatever i want, because i can shitpost and make good content.

No need to lecture me dad

[–]sunnyta -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

you were banned from 8chan, 420chan, wizardchan, 7chan and 2chan?

[–]Sargo8 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you know what i mean faggot, also Wizardchan isnt for me. I'm no Wizard. you're missing 711chan and 888chan. and masterchan, that one I left voluntarily when i found out what it was about.

[–]Dissentient 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Twitter and everyone who uses it may as well implode for all I care.

[–]EzraTwitch 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

We aren't a hive mind.

Go fuck yourself OP.

See, I bet a bunch of people disagreed with that statement. They aren't "disappointed in gamergate", they are annoyed with me as an individual.

Learn the difference.

Lastly Ridicule is one of the best ways of breaking someone out of a cult, which honestly I just as concerned with as the ethical stuff (though I realize that that is personal to me and has nothing to do with GG). I mean these are the guys who came up with the Deatheater bullshit, I fully support them be blasted every-time they set foot outside of their safe space. Maybe they will eventually just fucking stay there or get wise. Especially considering how many times we have tried to reason with them to no avail.

[–]UpBoat420 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being able to call out bad behavior is a great quality to have as a movement. More than anything the willingness to turn a blind eye to their own shitty behavior is what made me lose respect for the whole SJW movement.

[–]EzraTwitch 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey I am all for that. But this isn't that, its a whiney rant that a community of individuals aren't doing what YOU want.

[–]sunnyta 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

okay yeah keep feeding the SJWs more ammo by spamming them on twitter

god you people are so naive it's hilarious

[–]EzraTwitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

What "Ammo" are we feeding them by constantly making fun of their hypocrisy exactly?

[–]sunnyta 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

harassment, bullying, jokes that can be construed as bigoted, pick one

[–]EzraTwitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That literally means nothing.

"I disagree with you" can be construed as bigoted bullying or harassment by to these idealogues. So literally nothing is lost if thats the "Ammo" we are feeding them.

So on one hand Pro's: Ridicule and expose their hypocrisy and undermining how serious they are being taken.

Cons: None, No measurable difference at all in how they will respond regardless of how "respectful" we are of their feelings.

[–]deadrebel[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

If we're not a hivemind, then you can respect me not thinking the same as you. Apparently not - do you WANT a hivemind or can you just stand me here, with my own opinion about GG's problem with shitposters. I am an individual who is disappointed with MANY individuals who identify as GG'rs shitposting - let's stop being so fucking pedantic to keep the status quo.

"Ridicule is one of the best ways of breaking someone out of a cult" - according to WHO!? You? Jesus Christ.

[–]EzraTwitch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

According to Hitchens and Harris in a well formed argument (Much smarter men than either one of us) and they appear to be right considering how extreme religiosity is plummeting in the united states and the testimony of many that it was getting made fun of that got them to really really reevaluate their views, when all else had failed.

I absolutely respect your right to have a different opinion, I don't respect your whiny tone. If you want to criticize come with facts and tactics and well formed argument. Not "You guys really disappointed me" (Because obviously this all about you and the way you feel and I should really care that your disappointed right now). I don't, know one does, if your going to criticize a strategy, do it like a vulcan, not a whiny child.

[–]is_computer_on_fire 6ポイント7ポイント  (37子コメント)

It's annoying, yes. But it's not GG. GG doesn't do anything. It's a tiny percentage, a fraction of a percent, of the people identifying as pro-GG doing this. If you don't like it, take it up with them. Good luck trying to stop them though, you don't have the authority to stop strangers from doing whatever they want to do as long as it's legal. It's bad enough when the press uses guilt by association "logic", but please, if you do identify as pro-GG, don't do the same. Call them idiots and move on. There are 200k people pro-GG. You cannot expect all of them to behave. That would be insane.

[–]ReverseSolipsist 13ポイント14ポイント  (36子コメント)

You can't argue that it's a tiny percentage when you look at the history of that hashtag. At the very beginning someone posted the /r/KiA thread that called for KiA to respond, and immediately following there was a torrent of shitposts. All evidence points to this being an non-minority reaction, but the average reaction.

[–]deadrebel[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (35子コメント)

This. This is the sole reason I made this post in KiA - to balance things out. It's clear that the shitposting started after the KiA thread. It's pointless. Does anyone here want KiA banned for shitposting? It seems so stupid considering what we have and can accomplish.

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with pretty much every point you made in this thread, but I still find it a stretch to consider a "twitter brigade" worthy of a sub being banned, at least in this context. The original thread was basically saying "speak your mind on the hqshtag" And the result.... well I don't think the op intended for that to happen. Intent is always important here.

Besides, I'm sure they've had that excuse to close the thread for months thanks to ayyyteam existing and possibly lurking.

[–]godthevaliant 3ポイント4ポイント  (33子コメント)

"Does anyone here want KiA banned for shitposting?"

What? Do people have no fucking clue how this works?

GG isn't one person. I know a bunch of retards agree with you but this thread is stupid af OP.

[–]ReverseSolipsist 0ポイント1ポイント  (24子コメント)

No one's saying it's one person. We're saying it's sad that, in aaaaaaaalllll of KiA, the people that chose to respond overwhelmingly shitpost, and this attitude is a reflection of the average attitude of people KiA. Apparently, when a sample of KiA participants tweets on something they don't like, they overwhelmingly shitpost. That's not good.

You know that one of the main reasons aGGs are aGGs is because, when they see an argument and it looks stupid at first glance, they just assume their first impression is correct? Yeah. That's what you're doing here. Just assuming the argument is bad because you didn't immediately understand it.

[–]godthevaliant 1ポイント2ポイント  (23子コメント)

I understand it entirely. You're taking blame for something a minor few shitposters participated in.

Did Mark Kern shitpost in #Digraa? Did Milo (wait maybe)? Did the Hatman? Did Acidman? Was there a post on the front page of KIA at the tippy top supporting us bombarbing it? No? Then stop blaming KIA/ taking responsibility for some bullshit. You're accepting the blame and it's been proven to do absolutely nothing time and time again.

You think the shitposters and people who mock GG are actually the core people here in KIA? really? out of your mind

[–]ReverseSolipsist 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

Edit: /u/godthevaliant tried to say that he was correct because he has been with GG from the beginning, then, once I called him out, he edited to say "I have no idea what possessed me to pull rank, especially not on my main." After that I asked him about having alts to behave badly in a way that was not attached to him, and he deleted his side of the conversation after, I suppose, he realized he was admitting to something bad.

Check out my guilded comment from 10 months ago, Mr. Rank Puller.

And I didn't say they are the "core" people. I said they are the average people. That's way more important. The core people are only core because they have the approval of the average. The attitude of the average is crucial in a bottom-up group.

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    [–]ReverseSolipsist 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Again, if you look at the beginning of the shitposting, someone tweeted the KiA link and shitposting immediately began and sustained. The argument that this is coming from KiA is fairly strong. Strong enough that to insist it wasn't KiA's doing is unreasonable. The best possible argument you can make is you can't definitively prove KiA did it, but it sure looks like they did. Denying that we're likely the source, rather than simply choosing not blame us, is dishonest as fuck.

    And making a post calling this behavior out accomplishes just that - making sure people see that we did it and understand that it's bad. It makes sure that we have the opportunity to say, "Wow, we fucked up, we shouldn't do that again." It gives us the opportunity to reflect and be better.

    It also gives us the opportunity to own our faults. To say, "Yeah, we did this. We fucked up. We may have fucked up, but we're not going to pretend that we didn't. And we're going to denounce it, so that people who act like that aren't comfortable here."

    [–]godthevaliant 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Show me the threads time and the hashtag and prove it to me that that post exploded the shitposting please

    [–]ReverseSolipsist 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

    I have no idea what possessed me to pull rank, especially not on my main.

    What, do you have an alt account where you do shitty things that you don't want attached to you?

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      [–]niczar 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We've already been labelled misogynists, harassers and basement-dwelling neckbeard rapist virgins.

      Why should we care whether they think we're childish as well?

      [–]blinderzoff 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Exactly, if the average person was not put off by the demented screechings of the psuedo-feminist harpy brigades, surely they can easily handle some shitposting by childish fools.

      If not, then shitposting isn't the actual problem.

      [–]ashlaaaaay 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

      I'm not trying to tone-police,

      oh?

      [–]Danielle_S 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I don't care.

      [–]Newbdesigner 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I agree; the major part of the issue I have with modern SJ culture and by extension Digra was the fact that they are so toxic to discourse. Dismissal of people by calling them a shitlord if they have a reasonable opinion or not. Lets not use the shitpost to do the same thing. We can be better than them; we can be the adults that they work so hard to not be.

      [–]Invin29 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I agree. All it does is give people ammo and confirm their prejudices about GG. People can do what they want, but it just drives potential allies away and creates new enemies imo. I don't want to tone police; I'm just saying I think logic and rational arguments are a better solution than just trolling and shitposting anything deemed the enemy.

      [–]JymSorgee 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm happy to admit I joined in a little shitposting myself last night. Let me explain. I saw some posts about the hashtag shift and went to look just to see what they were up to. Every DiGRA poster from DiGra had me blocked. Given that I've never met one it is safe to assume they are all using the BlueWhale blockbot. I am always open to a convo. 9 times out of 10 with an anti it results in them accusing and blocking but I will still try to dialogue. DiGRA does not deserve that degree of respect. I'm usually playing an MMO (which one changes and it's not my primary gaming I just like MMOs). And I usually end up on my guild's diplo team because I like de-escalating conflicts. Thaere is one condition under which I go ahead and pass on a war dec. If the other team ignores all attempts to contact them and handle the situation peacefully. Let the strikers go nuts on them at that point there is no other real answer. Sincerely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLFFw5dPMAU

      [–]gerrymadner 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

      tonight I'm disappointed

      Aren't we better than that?

      Here's the thing: GG became a Happening, to some greater extent, because people who felt they were in charge of what could and could not be talked about in public spaces. They were overtly willing to kill all conversation they didn't like in every area they controlled. Twitter was one of the few places they didn't control, and GG quickly realized that between sheer force of numbers and enthusiasm, we could dominate the hashtag control battle should others choose to engage in it.

      Now you come along with the opinion that that, somehow, using that ability makes us the bad guys, and that we should just keep quiet in a public space -- which is what aGG before they were aGG wanted all along. You are demanding only rational behavior to confront an opposition which discounts rationality. This is not the enlightened opinion you believe it to be.

      If the shitposting descended to actual harassment, I'd be with you. But it doesn't, so far as I can see. What I can see is a spoiler effect imposed on people who think that their publicly-held conversations are legitimate, but ours are not. And the only reason the spoiling tactic exists is because the ability to confront them on their ideas was denied, over and over again.

      [–]madhousechild 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Way to twist OP's message.

      [–]Win32_Backdoor_Ranky -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You are demanding

      OP isn't demanding anything, fag.

      [–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I just read through the tag and it didnt seem bad to me.

      I also do not see the problem having fun at the expense of a group of sanctimonious, pseudo-academic, assholes.

      [–]ColePram 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm partly in agreement with you. I don't normally do a lot of shit posting in other tags unless I actually have something constructive to say or a point to make about the tag.

      That said, really! twitter is no place to try and start a tag to have a conversation with colleagues. They almost deserve it for trying to have a public discussion with a specific interest group in a place where everyone can see, disagree with and/or criticism them them.

      They're being morons.

      [–]DwarfGate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      All I see when I search #digraa is people pointing out none of them have any real degrees, the lack of a peer-review process, and the fact that they're speaking about minorities instead of with minorities. If that's shitposting count me in.

      [–]cfl1 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      You have to remember two things:

      • You can't reason a SJW out of something he wasn't reasoned into in the first place.
      • Making fun of people works.

      [–]DzhusyDzhuus 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's almost like there's a third group there largely not affiliated with either that could be swayed by the better ideas that will tune out if they just see two shitty groups.

      [–]cfl1 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Look at the real world. Squishy moderates don't gravitate to reason, they go along silently with the strong horse.

      Ruthless bullying, suppression of dissent, and name-calling in place of arguments won the day for the gay marriage lobby. I don't like those tactics, and I think there's certainly an argument based on losing our soul if we adopt them wholesale, but "muh PR" is not only fractious but factually wrong.

      When they are reasonable we should certainly be reasonable. But with SJWs, I don't expect it any time soon.

      [–]DzhusyDzhuus 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Ruthless bullying, suppression of dissent, and name-calling in place of arguments won the day for the gay marriage lobby.

      That battle was won by humanizing gay people and showing the flaws in arguments meant to stem those rights, not any of the things you mentioned. In fact, modern feminism uses those tactics quite a lot and it is seeing a major blowback for it. The Gay community largely avoided that, with some exceptions.

      The religious Right uses those tactics too and it achieves nothing but its own increasing marginalization.

      If anything you have it backwards. Squishy moderates will always side against the bigger asshole. AntiGG being able to spin the narrative of being the lesser evil, thanks in no small part to terrible ProGG people giving them ammunition is proof of that.

      The widespread turn on McIntosh and Anita after E3 is further proof that bullying and name-calling does you absolutely no favors and if anything drives people away from any other more coherent point that might be made.

      If there's anything moderates listen to, it's reason that appeals to them and the moral high ground.

      [–]cfl1 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The Gay community largely avoided that, with some exceptions.

      That's purely false. I know you want to believe your side in this was just, but it had nothing to do with "humanization" (overall attitudes towards gay people haven't changed much over the past ten years, and opposition was never, contra media bubble fantasizing, based on animus) and everything to do with the application of social pressure.

      Not that anyone here is suggesting anything extreme for GG. What we're talking about here is simply making DIGRA look lame and uncool (puncturing the "hip academic" image they're trying to present) by successfully making fun of them. Twitter is largely, if not entirely, populated by people who respond very well to this sort of amusing social signaling.

      If there's anything moderates listen to, it's reason that appeals to them and the moral high ground.

      No, it's what moderates say they listen to. Revealed preferences show this to be as true as the majority of women claiming what they really want is a nice guy who listens to their problems.

      [–]Dyalibya 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm not trying to tone-police

      Oh? could have fooled me

      [–]WintergreenBird 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I'm not disappointed, I'm happy. GG was best when it was just a single thread on /v/ making fun of bad journalists and making them go on twitter meltdowns. People here on reddit are too worried about "PR". I say let it all burn.

      [–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Shit posting #GDC2015 caused a massive spike in the usage of the blockbot. Shit posting twitter achieves what exactly?

      [–]H_Guderian 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Not as many people as you think assist the movement just to make funny anon posts and hijack tags with vapid tweets.

      [–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I know it's the internet , but some people want to make a positive impact on journalism. Behavior like this almost made the SPJ pass over GG (and yeah, some of that is on the ayyyteam, but an outsider wouldn't know the difference). I do actually want this to settle down and end one day, preferably in the favor of consumers. Shit like this only perpetuates it.

      [–]cyrasec 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      GG was best when it was just a single thread on /v/ making fun of bad journalists and making them go on twitter meltdowns

      Maybe not "best", but it was definitely the most fun.

      [–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Agreed.

      [–]phil_katzenberger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh look. It's another thread asking me to reflect on myself for some shit I didn't do.

      OP, go tell Twitter about it.

      Edit: Just had a look for myself. The top tweets are all innocuous. No shitposts there. Looks like people in GG value discourse over shitposting after all.

      [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      First hashjack?

      [–]Calybar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I didn't do it yet, but why do I suddenly feel such an urge to go and shitpost on #digraa?

      [–]Stolpa 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Yeah it's a bit childish. I understand that a lot of people want to have a jab at DiGRA and their number turns it into a shitstorm, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a shitstorm and probably counterproductive. But I don't think it is/should be nearly as big a deal as it wil undoubtebly be portrayed as by our dear friends in the media.

      And the Twitterers in this thread should stop knee-jerking.

      You may now shoot me.

      [–]deadrebel[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Why are we all so afraid to say something. You say "you may now shoot me" - I know this is an unpopular opinion. Why? Why is something as basic as "try not to shitpost" such an unpopular thing to say? Why is "let's be mature about this" so wrong?

      [–]TrivialCipher 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because GG has it's fair share of people who are easily offended, dismiss criticism with buzzwords, and are looking for a way to feel justified in their idiocy. It is what it is. There's most definitely a circlejerk here. Maybe not prominent in all posts. But here nonetheless. I'd like to believe it's a small percentage as I try to take into account all the people out there who don't comment on here. And maybe have never even subbed. Because I was one of those for a long time.

      Hopefully comments like that are just a minority who feel the need to type something.

      [–]Stolpa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm trying to remain nuanced about it. This is only even a problem because there are people who are gonna try and turn it into a second holocaust. They're shitposting in a gosh-darn hashtag. Woowee. On the other hand, they are threatening to shoot themselves -and us- in the foot. And that's just stupid. But the two comments below this do have very good points. There is only as much communication within Gamergate as people want to communicate. So we certainly have a problem with circlejerking and no good display of any majority (or, like here, a good) opinion. You'll attract more dissenters than supporters for this. Regardless of their real numbers. It's a predictable side-effect of riding a headless chicken, but I'm sure not happy with it.

      [–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Because you bring up a problem 99.99% of people don't have a real solution to (and that .1% is shy for whatever reason): how do you control a headless, faceless hashtag with the barrier of entry of making a twitter account? Like you said, it's been a problem in august. Almost none of us have the presence to make people realize the error of their ways, because we live in a society where fame somehow makes the same statement have 1,000,000x more meaning to it for whatever reason. And even then, people will still shit post because they have no agency on twitter and get their own dose of attention and self satisfaction from it, indifferent to the larger goal at hand.

      Something like that. I obviously have a distaste towards how celebrities work, so there's some bias in there.

      [–]bastiVS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I fully agree.

      Shitposting a twitter hashtag isnt of any use for GG, or does in any way help the cause. It is just making us look bad, for no gain.

      It is exactly this kind of behaviour that makes people think that GG is just a bunch of people harrasing others. This shit needs to stop if GG is ever to be taken serious.

      [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Archive links for this post:

      I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

      [–]DeeDoubsFounder of Kek's Giving Day 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Why are people still sperging about about DiGRA at all? They aren't that important. A couple people who authored papers for DiGRA had some influence on the games press sure, but 99% of the shit DiGRA publishes goes unread by pretty much anyone.

      [–]StupidVandals 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I didn't know about DiGRA until GG. Honestly they're pretty much irrelevant to a vast majority of gamers.

      [–]Bizz408 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If you're gonna use their tag at least do it to get your point across, like I did.

      https://twitter.com/Bizz408/status/615711188463128580

      [–]Chad_Nine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      We know there are trolls working both sides. And one of their tactics is get us fighting each other over their shitposts.

      [–]IMAROBOTLOL -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I find it unfortunate that you feel that you have to back up your call for decency with, "I'm not a shill"

      [–]deadrebel[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I know right.

      [–]oldmanbees -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Yes, it's cliche at this point that when somebody is about to go all hall monitor they say 2 things:

      "I'm not a shill," and

      "Look at my post history,"

      as if prior behavior somehow mitigates the dumb thing they're about to say. It's KiA's very own "I'm not a racist, but..."

      [–]IMAROBOTLOL 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ... But it isn't a dumb thing they're saying.

      [–]oldmanbees -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah actually it is. It's the same reason everyone is here. It implies that the denizens of KiA are complicit in "shitposting," and it implies that the bulk of what's being sent to #digraa is "shitposting."

      That's what anti-GG has done from the start.

      "YOU GUYS LOOK TERRIBLE BECAUSE OF ALL THE HARASSMENT. MAKE A STATEMENT SAYING YOU CONDEMN IT."

      That fucking sucks. KiA has no control whatsoever over what people are going to do on Twitter. In fact, I'd wager money (not a lot, but some) that a big reason people come to KiA is because it's reddit, not Twitter. So what exactly is the faction of GG that's here on reddit supposed to do about the behavior of another faction of GG that's active on Twitter (and who JUST HAPPEN to post in the exact same fashion channers do)?

      Fucking dumb, fucking dumb, fucking dumb. The only possible thing a post like this is accomplish is inspire people to make ingratiating noises to placate people who want them to rot in hell regardless of what they say, at the risk of turning this into an internal GG faction war, KiA versus chan. Fucking dumb, fucking dumb, fucking dumb.

      [–]centrum5555 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      its been a long time since i was on twitter, since i found out basically most of it is just useless shitposting without much depth

      [–]Shirubaa 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Wtf's a Digraa?

      [–]CongenoRule #1: LISTEN & BELIEVE 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      The hashtag for Digra Australia. GG found it, did GG stuff to it. It's presumably covered in semen, traps, and smug animu grils.

      [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It's Australia, the land of "plants want to kill me", if they get triggered by animu girls... Maybe they're agoraphobes?

      [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You combat that by creating and collecting relevant data and infographics and posting them in the relevant thread on 8chan. There's almost always one. If there isn't, you create one.

      You can't expect every single activist to do their own independent research to curate relevant content. It's just not a realistic expectation of time and effort. But if you give them the data and the infographics, they'll tweet it out with their take on it.

      [–]crazy_o 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Twitter does what Twitter wants to, people can disagree on the approach and I do - I didn't take part in it, I stopped caring about Digraa some time ago. I also think it's childish but I won't tell them to stop if they see a need to do it. You can't control what someone wants to do, it's useless to hope everyone will do the same as you do, some will do something 'childish' from your pov, it's going to happen. I don't expect everything to go perfect all the time.

      [–]GGBigRedDaddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I would try to relax. Mocking authority or in this case people who think they have some authority has it's benefits. There will always be some urine content in this water park. Just gotta keep the level from getting too high. At some point it's basically urine we're swimming around in.

      [–]HatredsBlazingGun -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Twitter is a shithole. I was on Twitter briefly. I was getting just as irritated with our own side, as I was with the enemy.

      [–]Ingram_Prisken -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Stop being such a babby

      [–]CrashedonMars -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      In the words of our lord as he was being hoisted upon the cross "fuck em"

      [–]Soupburger -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think that is pretty much all that twitter is good for tbh. It's ridiculous trying to discuss any meaningful idea in 150 characters or less, and multitweeting is lame.

      I think the twitter front is handling things pretty well. Twitter is just a very immature medium.

      [–]Odojas -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      140 characters...

      [–]Fuzzyhammers -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The best thing you can do is just not join in. I checked the hastag last night before the shitposting, saw that it was totally harmless, and just ignored it.

      [–]ElzevirAuxiliatrix -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That is our job numbnutz. We control pace on discourse on twitter.