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[–][deleted] 42ポイント43ポイント  (29子コメント)

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Seriously, the fucking admins asked you to stop exposing shitty mod decisions? Why am I not surprised.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (25子コメント)

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They were concerned with it "highlighting personal info removals and PM spam."

I was originally asked (not ordered) to shut off the bot entirely, I offered to shut down the monitoring of non-political sub-reddits, and they asked me to turn off the PMs.

Personally I'm a little disappointed about turning off the PMs, because I thought that was a pretty important aspect of the bot, to notify the original poster so they'd know they got removed and have a chance to correct it or submit to a different sub-reddit.

[–]TypicalLibertarian 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

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You should keep the PM functionality. It's important that the OP know that their post was removed.

[–][deleted] 36ポイント37ポイント * (13子コメント)

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They're concerned because the power-mods who control the conversations on reddit are being exposed, and they don't like it.

Thanks, this spurred me to create /r/YishanWatch.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

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Yeah, you could also look at it as somewhat of an official ok for the bot as well though if you want to look on the bright side of things.

"You can continue monitoring the political subreddits, but can you turn off the PMs?"

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

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You need to change your sidebar, since it's no longer all the removed things.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

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Done.

Would YishanWatch like to join the Friends Of Reddit Transparency network?

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

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Sure, that would be keen.

[–]CowGoezMoo -3ポイント-2ポイント * (2子コメント)

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Why don't you tell the good people of this subreddit about the way you treat others and abusing your power?

[–]merton1111 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Elaborate?

[–]CowGoezMoo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I basically got banned for linking to this to MSkog who uses fake accounts to harass people. VA basically defended the troll and banned me without warning.

[–]qgyh2 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

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From the admin perspective it is probably about not notifying spammers.

[–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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That's certainly how they'd put it.

[–]YouArentReasonable 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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So spammers don't know how to make their own bots?

This is a ridiculous argument. We can't have guns because criminals have guns?

[–]Elliptical_Tangent 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

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Tell them you turned it off, but keep doing it. Sunlight has a cleansing effect, and some of out political subreddits are treated as tyrants' personal playgrounds.

tl;dr: Fight the power.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

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This would be stupid.

You don't lie to people who know the truth.

[–]Elliptical_Tangent 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

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My point being not lying but informing people that they're being censored. It's bullshit that they're snuffing posts and trying to stop you from telling people they're doing it.

If it's not wrong of them to do it, why hide it? If it's wrong, the victims should know so it can be stopped.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

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I agree, if post is removed for non-spam reasons the poster should be notified.

Note that the admins are not the people "snuffing posts".

[–]nallar 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

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Why not ask for permission to also monitor meta subreddits about this sort of problem, like /r/SubredditDrama?

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

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I was monitoring SRD before making this announcement. I wouldn't mind monitoring it again, perhaps they would voluntarily agree to be monitored?

Doubtful though IMO, BEP is a mod there now, and we don't exactly get along.

[–]nallar 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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It's something I'll look into if there are attempts from the reddit administration to censor my attempts to bring awareness to moderation.

I already have a dedicated server, plenty of bandwidth, and the bot is already written in a framework intended for rapid web development.

I could have a website up to post the removals in a day for it if I had to, but I have no desire to do so at this time.

But keep in mind, that the bot used reddit's API, and is honest about it's user agent, it would be trivial for the admins to shut off data to the bot at any time, regardless of where the content eventually gets posted to.

In the apocalyptic scenario where this happens, it would necessitate creating a more traditional HTML based web crawler, but would still be a somewhat easy think for reddit to detect and block if they were determined to do so.

[–]metapunditedgy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I don't understand the personal info issue. Why do they leave it on the servers at all? It should be deleted from the archives so it's not accessible. If they're just burying the link to that info, then it's the admins doing wrong, not the bot. What am I missing?

[–]dasstrooper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Please keep the PM function

[–]ixid 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

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I ask this out of curiosity- is this fight against poor moderation turning over a new leaf for you or did I happen to encounter your moderating on a bad day? You banned me from a subreddit and changed the stated subreddit rules because I defended the existing subreddit rules as were written in the sidebar. Not the best moderating.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

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I don't care how a moderator chooses to moderate, I just want those actions to be public. What I don't like is mods to try to hide what they do. I'm very vocal and very public about my mod actions, and that's all I want from other mods - honesty and transparency.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I'll chime in here to say pretty much the same way.

I'm not anti-moderation, but I'm very opposed to opaque moderation in politically charged sub-reddits.

I got no problem with mods being benevolent shadow dictators of f7u12, pics, wtf, etc.... just not when it comes to political topics.

[–]merton1111 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

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Please dont remove the PM. What could be wrong about the PM? The maximum amount of spam someone will be getting is the amount of possible spam that the user is putting on Reddit. (ie a poster cannot receive more messages then posts).

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

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This is a very good point and something I will bring up to the admins when I speak to them next.

Turning off the non-political sub-reddits doesn't bother me, but I do think the PMs are important.

[–]merton1111 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I agree. Thanks a lot for what you are doing by the way :).

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

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This is an example of the PM it sent users:


/r/Technology [removed] : A Tragic Love Story About Human-Machine Interaction


http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/qt13c/a_tragic_love_story_about_humanmachine_interaction/

This is an automated message to inform you that your recent post to /r/Technology appears to have been removed by the moderators or spam filter.

If you wish to ask why your post was removed you can do so by

Messaging the moderators of r/Technology

I am unable to answer any questions about why your post was removed, please direct any such inqueries to the moderators via the above link.

Your removed post has been cross-posted to /r/censored to foster moderation transparency.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Sorry, but I have to: It's spelled "inquiries."

[–]octatone 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

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I think if you want to do still do this, you will need to cross reference the user's shadow ban status before PMing them. The reddit team doesn't want spammers to know they are marked as spammers, so that they continue to spam only to /dev/null/. It's easy to check if a user is shadow banned: just try to fetch their user page and if it does not exist, they are shadow banned.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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This is implemented now, makr bot checks if a user is shadow banned before posting.

If PMs ever get turned back on (still waiting on a response from the admins) they won't go to shadow-banned users.

[–]octatone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Awesome :)

[–]CowzGoezMoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Btw, which admin requested this again?

[–]qgyh2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

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I gather the problem is spam related. Notifying a spammer that their post was removed is not a good idea.

[–]YouArentReasonable 8ポイント9ポイント * (0子コメント)

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If a spammer wanted a bot to PM them when a post was removed they would build/buy it.

We shouldn't be denied important information simply because criminals exist.

[–]merton1111 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Spammer dont read messages.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

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I don't want to notify spammers either, and there are steps taken to prevent this, but some will occasionally get through.

This was not a concern expressed by the admins though, at least not in my conversations with them.

[–]CowzGoezMoo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

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This is news to me!

[–]sunshine-x 3ポイント4ポイント * (4子コメント)

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How do you define "political"?

Also, please monitor /r/conspiracy and add us as "friends of reddit transparency".

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I'll admit it's pretty subjective, r/conspiracy is already being monitored for removals, but there haven't been many.

http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalModeration/search?q=r%2Fconspiracy&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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Oh also, I'm not currently adding any non-meta sub-reddits to the FORT network. But I'll keep /r/conspiracy in mind if I do.

Transparency means openness, not a lack of moderation/censorship/copy editing, and I don't want to endorse any particular sub-reddit for now because I think there is more value in having a more neutral network that focuses on fostering transparency across other sub-reddits, without an agenda to grow it's own community/message outside of the desire for moderation transparency.

FORT is still a new idea, and I'm open to suggestions/input for how it can be effective at fostering reddit transparency.

[–]sunshine-x 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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The reason I suggest adding /r/conspiracy is because we publish our moderation log for review by subscribers. While moderated, we do so with transparency.

[–]paulmasoner 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

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After reading more here, my question from r/politicalmoderation submission still stands as the most important aspect in my mind. WHY are the admins concerned with monitoring/tracking this data?

[–]CylonSaydrah 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

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Please keep monitoring sub-reddits like /r/Economics and /r/economy which are only nominally non-political.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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That's a good suggestion, I never had it monitoring those sub-reddits but it probably should. I'll consider it, but won't add it till I hear back from the admins regarding my inquiry about PMs.

[–]mvlazysusan 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

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I suspected it was to good to last. ☹

I find it hard to believe a few PMs would affect any thing much. Though sacrificing them on the alter of negotiation is better than complete destruction.

I wish news and worldnews were monitored.

If the bot only posts a permalink once, shouldn't the volume of posts go down a bit as re-posts become more common/known? (Q: what % of reddit is/are reposts?)

FYI

I would definitely visit regularly any off-site page that displayed the findings of this bot!

Do you "digg"???

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

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News and WorldNews count as political sub-reddits IMO, and I haven't disabled the monitoring of them.

Where the findings are posted is irrelevant, if reddit wants to silence the bot, they need only shut off it's access by user agent. Posting the removals to a different location wont help with that much.

[–]Vegemeister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Why not just spoof the user-agent?

[–]TheSkyNet 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

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is technology included we aren't political but accept some political news?

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

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Technology is no longer being monitored, though if you request it as a moderator of the sub-reddit I will re-enable it unless the admins oppose.

Also, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of the PM feature.

This is an example of a message that it sent users:


http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/qt13c/a_tragic_love_story_about_humanmachine_interaction/

This is an automated message to inform you that your recent post to /r/Technology appears to have been removed by the moderators or spam filter.

If you wish to ask why your post was removed you can do so by

Messaging the moderators of r/Technology

I am unable to answer any questions about why your post was removed, please direct any such inqueries to the moderators via the above link.

Your removed post has been cross-posted to /r/censored to foster moderation transparency.

[–]TheSkyNet -1ポイント0ポイント * (3子コメント)

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I would prefer not, as Technology gets a shit tonne of spam.

The PM feature might be useful to some users but i would prefer spammers not knowing (saves me a headache), are there checks and balances?

I can also see it causing un wanted mail to users so thats another issue.

I do comment to the OP or PM the submitter if it is a front pager, i used to do it to all rule infringements but that took up all my time.

//just of to bed will be back in the morning :)

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

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I don't want to notify spammers either, and I've taken steps to prevent that (before being contacted by the admins). I also monitor the bots output and report any spammers it detects to /r/reportthespammers

The bot won't send any more mail to the users than they have removed posts, i.e. it will only spam as much as they do. Doesn't this seem to be a mitigating factor to the idea that the bot is "spamming" their inbox?

[–]TheSkyNet 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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The bot won't send any more mail to the users than they have removed posts, i.e. it will only spam as much as they do. Doesn't this seem to be a mitigating factor to the idea that the bot is "spamming" their inbox?

I think the best way to deal with this is a have an opt in system.

perhaps it could pm the rule set so the OP can delete and resubmit in cases of editorialised headlines.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

[–]highguy420 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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I'm not at all surprised by this. Not in the least. You are challenging the status quo, their authority without accountability. You are the wikileaks of reddit. The users may love the service you provide, but the admins and moderators obviously don't want you fucking up their sweet ride.

[–]mirashii 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

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With regards to the PMs, I think there are a couple factors that you ignore.

  • The admins choice to have removals be silent was a quite intentional one. It decreases much of the very basic blogspam that may be done manually by a single user over the course of a long period if they are not paying enough attention to notice that their links aren't being voted on.
  • The PMs that you sent are inherently biased. It is unfair that you're having a bot called "ModsAreKillingReddit" that will message people when the spam filter kicks in asynchronously, which can happen quite often. Your use of the bot to bring your own subreddit and cause to the users attention is the very definition of spamming.

[–]sunshine-x 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

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the spammers to be concerned about are sophisticated enough to notice immediately.

I don't see the issue.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (17子コメント)

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These are valid concerns; and I don't mean to ignore them.

Regarding the first; the bot takes steps to prevent notifying actual spammers of their removals or reposting their links. The vast majority of removals it detects (even before these mitigating steps) are not spam.

Regarding the second, I tried to make the messaging as neutral as possible, but I agree that the name of the bot itself isn't. If this is at issue, I'm not against changing it (though it is more convenient to use this one as it already has a decent amount of karma built up to avoid captchas). The name of this account was something I came up with after being banned (in my view unfairly) from /r/politics but I'm not attached to it, and if the username needs to change to re-enable the PM functionality, I'm more than willing to oblige.

Likewise, I'm not opposed to removing the last line that directs the users to the transparency sub-reddit where their post was cross-posted.

If the bot had a more neutral name, and did not mention any other sub-reddit; would you still be opposed to the PM feature?

[–]plajjer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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If they are worried about spammers becoming aware of their spam being removed then could you screen the posts before the PMs are sent so only non-spammers get them?

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Yeah, I could have it send modmail to a group of redditors who would then manually notify the poster.

[–]deletecode 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

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One other idea is to make a post in the thread like /u/hitlarious does.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 5ポイント6ポイント * (4子コメント)

ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

/u/ModsAreKillingReddit is currently banned in /r/Politics /r/WorldNews /r/OccupyWallStreet and /r/WTF

I'd probably rack up a few more if it started doing that.

The key benefit of PMs is that the moderator cannot intervene to keep the poster ignorant of their removal.

As it stands, a moderator is able to silence another redditor without their knowledge.

[–]mrhappyoz 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

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How about posting the output offsite eg. Themodsarekillingreddit.com or open sourcing your code?

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

My bot is built with tools (Python/Django) that would make creating a website based around it incredibly trivial from a development perspective.

But I have no desire to do so at this time.

Oh and to add, I'm very pro open source, but this bot will not be released as such; because of it's potential usefulness to spammers.

[–]mrhappyoz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Fair enough!

[–]mikel81 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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How about posting the output offsite eg. Themodsarekillingreddit.com

Reddit made that guy shut down http://www.unedditreddit.com/ a while back. http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/etd52/lets_have_a_discussion_about_deleted_comments/

It basically saved deleted comments so you could still find out what was said.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Can the bot cross reference account age before PMing? I don't know much about spammers but it seems like they would periodically change whereas actual account users are less likely to do so.

[–]mirashii 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

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I think that at the point where it actually becomes neutral, if it were an acceptable feature, it would be something that the admins would add themselves. This has the advantage of never having a false positive on removal by the spam filter, and being global across all subreddits without having the overhead of a bot hammering the servers.

I think it could be a good idea, but overall I think it's better suited as /r/ideasfortheadmins

[–]cvrc 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

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You're somehow presuming that the admins care about the same things that the users care. Your presumption is false.

[–]mirashii 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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The admins do care about what users care about, but they also have to take into account a variety of other factors, including the amount of effort required to implement, the amount of server resources required in adding new features, whether their business overlords approve of such a thing, the effects that features will have on other users, on moderators, on the admins themselves.

To say that the admins don't care about what users care about is silly. The admins wouldn't be here without users and cannot neglect the userbase. Just because the admins don't implement 100% of the features that you think that the users care about does not mean they don't care about the same things. There are just other factors, many of which you are likely unaware, that have to be taken into account.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

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I have suggested this and numerous variations on the theme to /r/IdeasForTheAdmins

In other cases where the admins are not willing to improve a perceived deficiency in reddit, users make bots to bring functionality that they feel is necessary, but the admins do not.

Why should this be any different?

[–]mirashii 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

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The difference is that where some of the other bots fill a niche for users or moderators where it is removing some repetitive task that they were certainly going to do, your bot is an unsolicited orangered to many people who have not asked or may not want such a thing.

In the end, it doesn't matter if you think you're providing a service. Many businesses surely think they are providing a service when they are sending you multiple spam mails a day. It doesn't make them right.

If you want to use a bot to notify yourself of when your posts are removed by a moderator, fine. If you want to allow users to sign up to be notified by a bot when their posts are removed by a moderator, that is also fine. But you can't just do it to everyone with no forewarning and no permission to do such a thing.

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

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An opt-in system is a great idea. I'd still argue it's less than ideal; but it's a pretty good compromise.

[–]mirashii 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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I personally see nothing wrong with an opt-in system. In that case, it has turned into a service provided by you to notify people when their post is removed, and assuming changes to make more neutral in nature, it then becomes a bot to provide a service that the site currently provides information about but not in a convenient manner. The information that you would forward on is nothing that is not available to the user, and would serve no political agenda. It would simply say "Hey, you might be interested to know that your post was removed from /r/whatever and if you are curious as to why, you can send a message to the moderators"

[–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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Yeah, I guess where I was originally coming from is I can't think of any instance where anyone would not want to know that their post had been removed.

Can you?

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    [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    Already being tracked, but there doesn't seem to be anything here

    [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    How much effort would be involved in creating a voluntary, opt-in list of subscribers? I am more than willing to give you my email address or Facebook page if your bot can send notifications about my removed submissions there.

    [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    No, if there is an opt in system, it will be entirely reddit based.

    I'm not dealing with facebook or email or anything close to personal information.

    [–]zanotam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    Out of interest, how realistic is it for MAKR to be able to isolate out the sending of the message and the reposting of the post (I would assume that would be easy, but maybe not?), as well as be able to tell the difference between basically pure spammers (i.e. not constructive posters), legitimate users who submitted spam in good faith (i.e. constructive posters, but who are, perhaps, new to a subreddit or accidentally clicked a button too many times), and those who were "actually censored" and not simply removed as spam (which itself, is kinda a vague adjective at times)?

    I mean, I'm assuming the second and third group are your targets, but if you could identify all 3 groups and separate out commenting and reposting, you could allow mods to have at least a moderate degree of control over what your specific actions are in their subreddit with, say, spammers never being given a message or getting reposted, with or without request, good-faith spam posters perhaps being messaged with default no repost but still allow that to be turned on, and actual censorship always getting messaged (with or without approval from moderators of a specific subreddit) and defaulting to reposting.

    I could be wrong, but such a compromise would seem to be acceptable, at least, for what I'm guessing the admins want (i.e. no warning spammers), but also acting as a dissenting voice towards the whole "mods are gods" thing, which is something I know that I, personally, would definitely support.

    [–]deletecode 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    What subreddits does it currently monitor? BTW, this might be good info for the sidebar. Mostly wondering cause I don't see occupywallstreet showing up anymore, and that sub seems fine to monitor.

    [–]cvrc 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

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    What is wrong with non-political subreddits, are they not worthy?

    I'm unsubscribing. It was a good idea, now is ... well, nothing.

    [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

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    Thanks for the input.

    My reasoning for agreeing to turn off the non-political sub-reddits is three-fold:

    • In my view, higher submission traffic sub-reddits like WTF and AskReddit are more likely to be a dumping ground for personal information.
    • The traffic of those removals is quite high and reduces the effectiveness of the bot for it's original purpose, which was to notify of potentially politically driven removals

    Most redditors are of the impression that the site is highly anti-censorship, and democratically driven. I believe it particularly harmful when people are given the impression that an outlet exists to foster free expression when it does not.

    [–]TypicalLibertarian 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    The "personal information" crap sounds like a poor excuse. So far the bot hasn't posted anything personal. If it does, that post can be reported and removed as needed like in the other reddits.

    [–]sunshine-x 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    great point. it's not hard to address reported links quickly and effectively.

    [–]ixid 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    I think this is a pity, some subreddits really need the transparency enforced on them like /r/lgbt.

    [–]underdabridge -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

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    Your bot would have been good applied outside of politics. Inside politics it just shows the mods doing a good job.

    [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

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    sarcasm?

    [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    Inside politics it just shows the mods doing a good job.

    You don't think there is any value in that?

    [–]underdabridge -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    9_9

    [–]electronics-engineer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

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    Needs further testing and debugging. I got a PM from the bot telling me to PM the moderators of /r/gaming/ and ask why my post was removed, only to find that is wasn't removed.

    [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    That was a one-off error on my part, I was using your test post to test some new functionality that didn't work as expected, I messaged you to let you know of the error.

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      [–]ModsAreKillingReddit[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ごめんなさい。これは既にアーカイブしてあり、もう投票はできません。

      Yes, until the moderator banned the bot.

      /u/ModsAreKillingReddit is currently banned from /r/Politics /r/WorldNews /r/WTF and /r/OccupyWallStreet

      I expect I I started notifying of removals in the sub-reddit itself, more moderators hostile to transparency would ban the bot and prevent that avenue of notification.