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[–]Origami84 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (24子コメント)

Isn't Greece part of Nato? I am pretty sure you will not be invaded in the coming days -.-

[–]Nikolasv 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

NATO is an alliance to pursue American interests and to a lesser extent those of its European allies that were in the past called Great Powers. Greece, was never a Great Power... NATO has done dick all to stop Turkish aggression and militarism, besides encourage it. Turkey wouldn't have even been able to invade the puny city-state of Cyprus in 1974 if not for Turkish NATO membership. All the major transport aircraft, LSTs, destroyers, frigates, bombers, fighter aircraft used in the invasion were cascaded equipment that NATO donated to Turkey.

Alot of the bloodshed that is happening in Syria is the West showing support and deference to the disgusting Sunni bigoted Gulf Arab states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia that wanted to fund a war against Shiite Iran's ally, Assad, who depends on the Alawi community for his staunchest supporters. Turkey has been instrumental all along in funneling equipment, funds and training from the Gulf Arab states to the Islamic terrorists fighting in Syria.

Spare us your stupid canards and fictions that NATO and the bloody Great Powers that run NATO have some kind of agenda to promote peace for Greece or any other state. I would advise you to read alot less mainstream oligarch controlled media and stop entertaining yourself all the time, if you want to have opinions worth having. NATO is the destroyer of states that stand up to Western hegemony, and an enemy of global peace. Even obedient puppet NATO countries like Greece don't get any peace out of the alliance. A Greece always threatened by Turkey, can be much more compliant after-all!

[–]project2501aΟΥΚ ΑΝ ΛΑΒΟΙΣ 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

ΚουΚουΕ-ότερος της Παπαρήγας. I salute!

Even obedient puppet NATO countries like Greece don't get any peace out of the alliance.

Περίεργο, είμαστε σε ειρήνη από το '74. Ξέρεις κάτι που δεν ξέρω;

[–]Nikolasv 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Displaced chankid, gamer:

If a wife is constantly beaten by her husband for four decades, but never formerly gets into a fist fight, what kind of peace is that? I do not use that example by accident, as that is how Neoklis Sarris(a now deceased, but once very educated Istanbul Greek fluent in Turkish and highly knowledgeable about Turkish society and Greek-Turkish relations, and a former professor of sociology) states Turks view Greeks in the Greek-Turkish relationship, as the battered wife:

http://palio.antibaro.gr/diplomacy/SARRIS.html

But I will return momentarily to the question of fear. If we want to predict the structure of the Ottoman pattern we see that it is made of pairs of relations arranged vertically and not horizontally. The upper part of the pair loves the lower part and the lower part fears the upper part. Both parts have accepted this as their position, it is something natural, non-arguable. Arguing this relation is impertinence, hubris and revolt, rebellion, mutiny. This structure runs throughout all the line of the society, which in itself is established hierarchically and pyramid-like. This duet is observed in the relations between husband and wife on a micro-social level. Husband loves wife, wife fears husband, brother loves sister, sister fears brother. And today, as we will see, the same structure us pursued for a "Greek-Turkish approach". But all this in a moment.

...

In reality, it is about the aforementioned pattern of couplets of relations (not horizontal but vertical) that constitute the Turkish authority structure, the mediaeval structure well known from the sermons of the Church Fathers. Thus, Turkey loves Greece and Greece fears Turkey. The founder of Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, had said a few months before he died in 1938, that Turkey and Greece are like a married couple. Only that the female role, according to the Turkish stereotypes must be played by Greece. As a series of investigations conducted in Turkey have evidenced, to the question how does your husband react when you disagree, a solid 70% answered "he beats me and maltreats me". Still, these women were happy with their marriage, because they were brought up to be this way. But, as you can understand, Greece neither wants to play this role, nor Turkey's protection. Greece is fed up with protectors...

Since joining NATO in 1952 Turkey has:
1) Destroyed the Greek community of Turkey, now they number around 2,500-2,000 or less. NATO membership gave Turkey a shield for the Istanbul pograms of 1955. NATO gave another Turkish shield for the administrative deportations of Istanbul Greeks in the 1960's and the turning of Imbros and Tenedos into open air prisons where Turkish hardened convicts terrorized the local Greek populace.
2) Like I spoon fed to your moron ass, without NATO training and cascaded weapons Turkey couldn't have invade Cyprus in 1974. 3) NATO gives Turkey diplomatic protection to challenge the Athens FIR and implement its "grey zone" doctrine. This turns what should be a Greek-Turkish issue, into something that Greece is encouraged to sweep under and ignore for NATO stability, since NATO is unwilling to reign in their bandit state of Turkey. That means Greece must be the one that budges. See this post for those aforementioned Turkish policies, from the Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs own website:
http://www.reddit.com/r/greece/comments/3bm2sy/greeks_are_really_wanted_today_i_want_one_too/csnh8i8

Thank you for contributing another low-quality and treasonous comment to this sub, as they are always sorely lacking.

[–]project2501aΟΥΚ ΑΝ ΛΑΒΟΙΣ 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Displaced chankid, gamer:

You forgot Redpiller, GamerGater, Rapist, Male, White, Chauvinist, neckbeard or whatever is the fashion of the day.

But look, the Armchair Revolutionary is calling me a "gamer". Oh god, where's muh cup full of tears?

Edit: When was the last time you came out to a march, comrade /u/nikolasv/? When was the last time the riot police busted your head open? What? "No such thing!", you say? Dog-gone it, Northern Suburbs revolutionaries...

treasonous

[–]ArathianΞέφυγε στον Καναδά [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dude, you have no idea.

I should probably take a screenshot of my conversation with him.

edit: fuck it, here, enjoy.

I almost feel bad making fun of a 15 year old, but eh.

[–]Nikolasv -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It is so sad, that Greece once went from a population with honor, to the fanatic Europhiles and xenolatreia obsessed kids raised on the narcissitic model of the American entertainment industry. Idiots like project2501a just don't want to appear sjw or leftist, he doesn't know he is taking about, just that he must not appear that.

So if someone decries the role of foreign powers in cynically pumping up Turkey with military, technical assistant and foreign aid while it destroyed its Greek community, while it makes claims against Greek territory which it disputes backed up with the Turkish airforce, navy and coast guard, we have losers like project_traitor closing ranks to show he is not anti-Western leftist!

Try to pick up a serious book for once in your life chankid/gamer. In his seminal work "The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom Of September 6 - 7, 1955, And The Destruction Of The Greek Community Of Istanbul" the Greek American historian, Speros Vryonis shows how NATO, Washington and London all closed rank to prevent justice for the Greek side because they didn't want to upset a geo-strategic ally. In behind the scenes diplomatic cables they actually chided the Greek side for looking for redress or to highlight the Turkish policy of destruction. But of course why be sjw about Greek lives? Who gives a shit that Greeks will go extinct in Anatolia and Istanbul? Pick up the next video game, and game on! Losers...

[–]project2501aΟΥΚ ΑΝ ΛΑΒΟΙΣ 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

to the fanatic Europhiles and xenolatreia

Greek-American from New Jersey

Cannot write in Greek.

Accuses Greek people of "xenolatria"

cannot even spell the word

lel

we have losers like project_traitor

/u/Nikolasv, Armchair Revolutionary, a real winner: Winning the class struggle from his keyboard.

"The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom Of September 6 - 7, 1955, And The Destruction Of The Greek Community Of Istanbul"

Holler when you are done with the Greek Civil War, dawg!

[–]Nikolasv -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

You guys are so pathetic.

Treason and idiocy in every language you can write. Being against anything in your interests because it could be construed as sjw and leftist. You post off-topic nonsense and derail threads to rally the lulzkid, gamer cause.

Anyway I live in the center of the pathetic, moribund culture you attempt to imitate. It always amazes me how the chankids and gamers or this sub can rant so much against Anglo-America from a pro-German, fanatic Europhile perspective. Where is Germany in chan board culture? Where is Germany in the gaming industry? You guys have your priorities totally fucked, even using the stupid values of the inane, meaningless shit you do actually value...

[–]project2501aΟΥΚ ΑΝ ΛΑΒΟΙΣ 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You post off-topic nonsense and derail threads to rally the lulzkid, gamer cause.

While you harassing people is definitely on point.

Anyway I live in the center of the pathetic, moribund culture you attempt to imitate

That's not a nice thing to say about your little padded cell! It provides all sorts of comforts.

Make up your mind. Do you live in Greece, or do you live in the US? If you live in the US, are you paying taxes in Greece?

If not, why not? Have you even been conscribed? Are you obeying the laws of the land you are so keen to defend?

What am I saying, Armchair Revolutionary....

[–]Nikolasv -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop trying to twist, this is about your imbecile self making a stupid anti-leftist rant when, I, who don't consume mainstream media, pointed out what NATO really is. You couldn't debate the point so you are using chankid threatrics.

You guys are so stupid all you have is being what you think is anti-leftist and against your poor conception of sjw. But of course to know what something is or about the world would involve doing more in life than lulzing.

[–]xDisruptor2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Το κάνεις να ακούγεται σαν το ΝΑΤΟ να το κατάφερε αυτό. Να σου θυμήσω ότι οι "ηγέτες του ελεύθερου κόσμου" (και του ΝΑΤΟ) πίσω το 1996 ξεκαθάρισαν στο Σημίτη ότι αν δεν υποκύψει στα θελήματα τους τότε θα γίνει πόλεμος με τη Τουρκία πίσω τότε με το επεισόδιο στα Ίμια. Αν εσύ αυτό το λες ειρήνη εγώ το λέω γειτονιά που έχει πολύ πυρίτιδα στα υπόγεια και οι Τούρκοι στρατηγοί ευχαρίστως γεμίζουν το τόπο σπίθες. Πρίν τα 40 ψωρο-χρόνια ειρήνης που διανύουμε είχαν περάσει άλλα 55 σχεδόν χρόνια απο τη τελευταία σύγκρουση με τη Τουρκία. Εφυσηχάσου.

[–]SaiXx 6ポイント7ポイント  (12子コメント)

That didn't stop them from invading Imia back in the '90s and killing our troops.

[–]callcifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

You mean the tiny, uninhabited, barren piece of rock, which is claimed by both countries where neither side has anything to win but political posturing?

The whole conflicted started when a Turkish cargo ship ran ashore and had to be salvaged. Turkey contacted Greece thinking there was a sovereignty issue. Greece didn't reply, so Turkey went ahead and rescued the ship. You know what happened next? Nothing. No conflict, nothing. After a month has passed a Greek magazine published an article trying to create drama, which resulted in both sides trying to put a flag on the shitty piece of rock.

Tensions rose, navies got involved and yes, a Greek helicopter went down killing all three on board, but even the Greek navy didn't claim Turkey fired on it.

So yes, the only casualty in the whole Greece vs Turkey boogeyman drama was over bullshit nationalistic crap on both sides, everyone trying to one up each other. Humans can be really petty and stupid sometimes...

[–]StratosB 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Those pieces of rock almost brought war against the two countries. Those rocks where just the spark. There is too much fuel left in both our "hate buckets". It's stupid. It always is.

[–]vangelisc -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Those pieces of rock almost brought war against the two countries

Which shows the lack of responsible politicians on both sides. That said there was no war after all, so maybe it's not all bad.

[–]StratosB 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

After a point passed, politicians are incapable to do anything. It spirals down quickly out of control. There was too much public involvement, with journalists from major media participating in "national activism" and spreading public outrage. The American involvement, although a bit late, was catalytic to relieve the tension.

[–]SaiXx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

they didn't claim that the Turks shot it down because they didn't want a war to break out

3 Greeks lost their LIVES because of turkish aggression, and all you have to say is "bullshit nationalistic crap on both sides"?

you should be ashamed to say the least

[–]FemmeFatale12 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, we are in 2015. Nor the Greeks or the Turks wanna dwell on the same old.

[–]callcifer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turkish aggression? You know the Greek side sent their navy first right? Before that, it was a mayor and priest on the Greek side and some journalists on the Turkish side. The situation escalated into a military conflict only when Greece sent special forces to the rock.

So yeah, it was bullshit nationalistic celebrity posturing before Greece turned it into a military confrontation.

[–]Origami84 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I just read the related wiki pages, and no troops were killed; a chopper crashed, and 3 people died, but thats it. Beside, didnt the whole crisys get resolved not by arms, but by the intervention of the US who asked for a return to the status quo? Quite a sensible request, considering those isles are unhabitated and pretty much worthless.

[–]SaiXx 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

the chopper didn't crash on its own, they took it down

who are you to deem what's worthless and what isn't?

[–]vangelisc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

the chopper didn't crash on its own, they took it down

Source? As far as I know this is just a conspiracy theory.

[–]Origami84 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seemed to me that both the greek and turkish governments deems them worthless, as they didnt care about them before they ended up in the spotlight. And, any source on it haveing been taken down? Because that was referenced in wiki too - as a rumour.