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SOCJUSFeminist Marxism (self.KotakuInAction)

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I was reading the #IStandWithTauriq feed on Twitter and was struck by how different the discussions were. The GG side was mostly focusing on facts, and the anti-GG side was obsessed with the idea that if one person's feeling are hurt, the rest of the internet must stop talking about them, even if they are wrong, because they can search their own name and be offended.

The closest analogy I can think of is marxism, where the world is divided into the oppressed and the oppressor, and the oppressed is morally justified in overthrowing the oppressor. We're seeing this more and more, where the "oppressor" is either male or white or straight (except for the significant part of GG that isn't, of course). The funny part is that the strongest voices pushing this (for lack of a better term) feminist marxism often have more money than those they're condemning, and in modern america money (not gender or race or orientation) determines power and status.

It moves into the realm of absurdity when the "oppressor" is the gaming collective, and the "oppressed" are the well-off social activists that don't spend a lot of time gaming but want to dictate which direction games move in.

Sunset is the perfect example of this.

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[–]RobertCrayle 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it is based in Marxism then it is a complete bastardisation of it. The Anti-GG side are by Marx's definition the upper-class parasites living off the game industry. So not only are they utilising the absurdities in Marxism, they have gone double absurd by reclassifying themselves as the underdog being exploited by parasites, whereas in reality they are now the very model of a defunct parasitic infestation of hangers-on, brown-nosers, and bullying leeches.

[–]indigoanasazi 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's why it's called Cultural Marxism.

Instead of being about economic class, they've turned it into a weapon for gender and racial conflict.

[–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are right on the money. Google "The Frankfurt School" in relation to "cultural marxism". And if you have an hour to kill, watch Yuri Bezmenov "on subversion". It's on youtube.

[–]ragman1234 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". The terrible tactics that the SJWs use seem to be ripped directly from this book.

[–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, let's go all out: Gramsci's Prison Notebooks.

[–]neohephaestus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GG is the perfect example of an Alinskyite group too, coming from someone who had recently read the book and took very detailed notes.

[–]JustABaku 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even Marxism, full of shit as it is in real-life application, got deformed and assimilated and by the social justice movement and feminism. They recasted the struggle of the classes into a war of the sexes but all forgot that feminism by nature appeal to and is controlled by rich women and men of a similar social strata.

Or like I often say: I so fucking love being lectured about the evils of capitalism by a trust fund baby while he type on his pricy computer his rich daddy bought while sipping his starbuck latte.

[–]ahatabat[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly. If someone has more money than you do, they have no moral authority to call you the oppressing class.

[–]JustABaku 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

One thing I definately hate are hypocrite who don't practice what they preach.

[–]JustABaku -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit: Gah triplepost wtf?!

[–]JustABaku -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit: Derp, doublepost somehow.

[–]A_M_Swallow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The feelings of white men do not seem to matter. They are deliberately attacked.

[–]CaesarCzech 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

if there is trigger in me its calling these Parasites Marxist or n leninst or even trockist, They are like Stalin or Mao using communism for their own BENEFIT.

[–]kalphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean like Maoism?

[–]wyrn 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

No, no, no. Marxism isn't some wishy washy label you can simply slap onto anything that you don't like. It's a precisely defined theory about how history changes. The existence of humans oppressing other humans within this theory is a comparatively small part, but more importantly, it's a precisely defined form of oppression that is based on action rather than identity politics.

There are feminists who identify with Marxism as well. They call themselves Marxist Feminists. They often don't believe in a mythical "power structure" called "the patriarchy". They believe women are disadvantaged, but they believe the source of this disadvantage is capitalism rather than some poorly defined conspiracy theory.

The comparisons of SJW lunacy with Marxism are rampant, but the similarities are superficial at best and vanish once you examine either world view in any depth whatsoever. Call these people "identity politicians", the more snappy "identitarians", or my personal favorite "concernocrats" because that's what they are.

[–]HatredsBlazingGun 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

You can call them anything you want, but they still subscribe to the cultural Marxist ideology of the straight white wealthy male oppressing everyone else.

[–]wyrn -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Cultural Marxism" isn't an ideology, or even a thing. It's a conspiracy theory invented by far right pundits who didn't want to stop calling people commies when the cold war ended.

True story: http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=29456

[–]ragman1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cultural Marxism is not a conspiracy theory. It is merely a name to describe the ideology of many SJWs today. The Frankfurt school was real. Critical Theory is real. Both of these are well-known and documented, and it is easy to see their applications today. In fact, the attack on gamers and the resulting manifestation is a direct result of Cultural Marxism in action.

You don't have to like the name "Cultural Marxism". But that's what people are talking about when they say it, Marxist theory removed from economics, and applied to culture.

You can call it identity politics. It's the same thing.

[–]wyrn [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

"Cultural Marxism is not a conspiracy theory. It is merely a name to describe the ideology of many SJWs today. "

Call it something else. This name is inaccurate, misleading and confusing.

"The Frankfurt school was real. Critical Theory is real."

So?

"n fact, the attack on gamers and the resulting manifestation is a direct result of Cultural Marxism in action."

Evidence?

"You don't have to like the name "Cultural Marxism". But that's what people are talking about when they say it, Marxist theory removed from economics, and applied to culture."

That's as nonsensical as saying "geometry removed from mathematics and applied to culture". Marxism is a theory of economics. It doesn't make sense out of it.

"You can call it identity politics. It's the same thing."

No, because identity politics isn't a conspiracy theory.

[–]yelirbear [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The label makes complete sense to me. There is not much inaccurate, misleading or confusing about it.

[–]wyrn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Do they believe that whites extract surplus value from blacks? Do they believe that history moves according to agents' material conditions? Or do they explicitly denounce these tenets, asserting instead that people have mythical "privileges" according to what sex they're attracted to?

Just look how often people mistake this so called "cultural" Marxism for real Marxism in polite conversation and it'll be clear that it is indeed confusing. Sargon, in a conversation with Justicar, asked about Marxism and "privilege" as if they were synonymous (they're not), and Justicar gave a response that critiqued real Marxism. Also Sargon in one of this TWIS videos said in response to an identitarian that "Marxism was a failure and will never send people to space because it makes them queue up at 5 am for bread" (paraphrased). Teal Deer just recently said hilariously that Engels attended the Frankfurt school.

Pray explain what exactly is gained by calling these people cultural Marxists when the method they follow isn't Marxist and their intellectual lineage is post modernist.

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    [–]Zerael25k get! Party! -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It really isn't.

    It is true that right wing pundits used that term as a boogeyman. But that term and its meaning was not at all invented by said right wing pundits.

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sc1pi4

    [–]wyrn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Yes, the term has been used before. However, that list is an argument against the existence of a coherent theory of "cultural Marxism" rather than for.

    [–]the_nybbler 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Their main point of concurrence with Marx is their idea of historical inevitability: that history is a linear march of progress away from nasty people such as us and towards enlightened beings such as themselves. This is straight out of Marx.

    [–]Arkonthorn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It is still cherry picking to it's finest. Marx theory, as any other theory, makes any sense only if you take it in its entirety, or it became just an appropriation without understanding of the theory and in the end a perversion. History is full of morons that used works of other far more talented person (whatever you may think of Marx, he wasn't dumb) as a way of gaining some kind of intellectual and moral ground on other

    [–]Niwjere 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    History is full of morons that used works of other far more talented person (whatever you may think of Marx, he wasn't dumb) as a way of gaining some kind of intellectual and moral ground on other

    You've literally just described why "cultural Marxism" is a valid term. "Social Darwinism" is equally valid. Neither term is actually directly related to the man whose name it bears; both are bastardizations used by authoritarians to push agendas and impose systems of control. (Personally, though, I prefer "cultural Maoism" to "cultural Marxism", merely because the "but it's not really Marxism!" objection never comes up.)

    Nobody here said "cultural Marxism is equivalent to Marxism proper." I hope no one would be dumb enough to do so. The fact remains that some Marxist principles have been twisted into another form altogether, just as some Darwinian principles have.

    [–]Arkonthorn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The way I read it (and I present my apologies to r/the_nybbler if I've was wrong), it was a pretty straight forward about Marxism plain and simple, not the "Cultural" one. And beside ...

    The cringe I have when someone use "Social Darwinism" far outmatch the cringe I have every time I read "Cultural Marxism", I mean, come on, at this point it's like saying that something is reminiscing of the "Tzigane Urbanism", it cannot make any less sense when you have a modicum of understanding about fucking actual scientific theory. But yes, you're exactly right, this is what "Cultural Marxism" means here, it's just that sometime I would like that everyone stop using such bastardization, because in the end it doesn't make us any better than them in this very particular regard. So I'll stop using it for myself I think, that will not change anything in the great picture but hey, I will not be pissed at myself. I'll go with "Pseudo-intellectual Bullshit"

    [–]wyrn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Really? Where did Marx argue that?

    [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Archive links for this post:

    I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

    [–]ParasiteSteve 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It baffles me how this moron hot the job in the first place. He admits to not knowing much of anything regarding the industry and games. He is obviously unqualified to talk about or critique games.

    I can't remember what magazine or website it was that came under fire from SOCJUS about hiring a man over a woman. People responded, saying they hired the most qualified person. To which critics whined about how can it be that white men were qualified. Is it not possible for there to be an equally qualified woman or something.

    I honestly think that if Tauric is of the caliber of expertise we can expect from PeeOhSea voices, then the industry is best left as is.

    And this is coming from an indian-carribean bisexual man, from a muslim family.

    [–]__Drake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What you are describing is sometimes called cultural marxism, and it grew directly out of economic Marxism.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3379gh/lets_talk_about_cultural_marxism_and_why_it_needs/cqi9tbk

    [–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Farxism.

    [–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    When ghazi stops talking about us, cause we can google ourselves, then they can talk. See my flair

    [–]BlockPuppet -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Feminism is like Marxism; in the way that both are fine on paper (by definition), but in the real world they don't work.

    [–]ac4l 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or that the real world applications of them rarely (if ever) fit the definition.