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[–]pairking 80ポイント81ポイント  (13子コメント)

This is how it was in the old days. Men were stoic and calm under pressure. Today's man is encouraged to talk about his feelings to therapists and counsellors(today's snake oil salesmen) and receive bogus advice to make him feel better. We have an in built mechanism that enables us to turn our anxiety into energy to create and build. Anxiety to me is potential energy, it is my fuel, waiting to be transformed into kinetic energy. If I'm not anxious I'm not challenging myself enough. I don't live to feel better about myself. I live to succeed and better myself. Contentment is my death knell.

[–]Atuli 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent way to frame anxiety man. If you're not leaning past your edge you're not growing.

[–]stonepimpletilists 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

now just a balance to have that, without the pent up emotional frustration that makes guys put guns into their mouths at alarming rates

[–]JustACrosshair_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The transfer of anxiety into action into experience is important. Its the people that don't transfer it and build it up without knowing what to do with it that eat bullets. Ive been on both sides. You gotta move sometimes. Move ahead. Pick a direction and move, worry about an exact destination as you go along. But to start just pick a direction and move even if you don't know why. You can figure out why your moving forward later.

[–]temerarious 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is how it was in the old days. Men were stoic and calm under pressure.

Where is the evidence for this fairy tale? I keep hearing this around here. What makes you think "the great old days" weren't filled with betas filling pubs bitching about their problems to each other, then going home and beating up their wives because they knew they were probably being cuckolded by the alpha down the street?

[–]pairking 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We've evolved over 100,000 years not just over 100 years. Anxiety over not being eaten kept us alert and focused. We couldnt visit the corner pub and bitch about the lions roaming the savannah back then. We developed tools to deal with enormous stresses which ensured that we adapted and survived. This shit is hardwired into our DNA. Why look anywhere else when we only need look inwards? Stress is as important now as it was then. It's as useful as pain. Trust in our male evolutionary inheritance. It's served us well thus far.

[–]FarfromaHero40 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a positive alternative to the word anxiety, think about it in terms of anticipation or eagerness.

[–]animalpoo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the way you frame anxiety, however I don't completely agree with your reference of therapists. People who have genuine problems in life often want to be understood and appreciated. It's just innate, it's a need that can overspill into many areas of your life without realising it I.e. Stress, sex, sleep. In that retrospect counsellors shouldn't be scratched off if it's affecting your health.

Having said that, there are other ways of meeting this same need without talking to someone. Writing letters to yourself from other people. It seems a bit mad and a bit naf at first but it works. Write what you'd like to say to the other person and write a response back from them including what you'd ideally like to hear from them and read it often until the need passes.

It's a healthy way of processing shit times.

[–]ghostbrainalpha 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

During college I suffered from extreme anxiety and panic attacks. I also attempted suicide (and would have got away with it too, if not for those Damn kids).

When I see comments like yours, and the last sentence about suffering in silence from OP, I think that the same ethos almost killed me. A therapist and Xanax definitely saved me life, when I was finally forced to accept them.

However, after being on those meds for 10 years and having no anxiety whatsoever I can tell you Dr's and meds are bullshit. After getting me through a real crisis they took a decade of my life.

I was a fat, lazy, and stupid the whole time I used them. I didn't give a fuck about anything, and missed out on incredible opportunities just because I was scared of anything that might be stress inducing.

So I have gone full circle. Born a stoic, die a stoic, with a whole lotta pussy bullshit in between.

[–]zuperfly -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

bogus advice? I don't think you can say that about therapists.

[–]pairking 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Read up about the abomination that is the DSM 5. By any metric there's an epidemic of over diagnosis and over medication in psychiatry.

[–]BooIndustrialComplex 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong with doing talk therapy, although I am very weary of anti-depressants.

[–]MattyAnon 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

How to stop women complaining while in a group

I once was in a shared activity. Me plus random mixed group of people plus the fucking whiner. Female, entitled, unattractive whinger and we are her free middle-aged counselling and therapy session. Nonstop whinging from her. Group is trying to be sympathetic, listening to her, generally validating her. Fucking annoying - I wanted to just slap her and tell her to shut the fuck up and quit putting her made-up femiproblem feelz onto the rest of us.

But I couldn't say that. The rest of the group would have rushed to defend the strong independent womyn and she'd have had something else to complain about.

Instead I talked over her with positivity. As she complained "blah blah blah cats blah blah" I said loudly "wow, I really enjoy being at X location". She'd complain again "blah blah injustice to women blah blah life is terrible blah blah". Again I'd talk over her "it's so great to be doing Y activity, I really love being here, this is such a great opportunity and I really appreciate it".

Only took a few of those before the group joined in with the positivity (ie followed the strongest leader which is now me) and she was forced to shut up.

TL;DR: Don't suffer in silence, talk over the whingers with positivity and enthusiasm.

[–]NidStyles 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

That works with women, "men" are more prone to verbal confrontations.

[–]robonubbins 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

But with men you could just jab "so stop being a little bitch" then chuckle and move on to something else.

[–]NidStyles 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hmm, I usually just give them the chuckle and walk away. Full blown SJW's are delusional about their own strength.

[–]robonubbins 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not all or nothing.

Hey man, are you here to just complain like a little bitch? Or are you here to have some fun with us?!

Use it to draw them into your frame of doing whatever you want to do. Versus calling them out and making it an all or nothing confrontation.

Side note, don't hang out with SJWs. Problem solved.

[–]NidStyles 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

In the field I work in, SJW's are everywhere. STEM fields are loaded with them. You can't avoid them, and they always feel the need to interject a bit of their self-proclaimed "wisdom" about your lifestyle choices.

Directly countering their shit is a waste of time and energy, and it never brings anything other than their invasive methods of disrupting your personal life into the work environment. It's best to ignore them or chuckle and walk away.

[–]robonubbins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, sure... if it's a work outing you're going to end up behaving differently to appease HR.

Clearly a personal hangout would call for a different interaction than a work outing.

[–]zigg-_-zagg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I did last night . A male friend had been constantly complaining about an issue which happened in the past with a big social circle of friends .

Last week I tried ignore his whining & I enforced clear boundaries . Yesterday evening he started bitching again in front of 4 friends which were members of the huge social group he has issues with .I held frame and stood up to him in a calm tone . I told him the past is the past ,you can't control them as they are ignoring you for a reason so quit being a pussy .He got pissed off & started ignoring me for the rest of the night . My friends who were present respected me for doing so . They too are fed up too of his nagging & passive - aggressive behaviour.

Lesson learnt: It's best to enforce boundaries with whiny & nagging men. If the boundaries are tested remain firm and be stoic . To difuse thr situation use amused mastery , humour yet best is to ignore them . If they break your boundary maintain frame / tone & stand up to them. Please do correct me if my advise is sound as I am currently unplugging .

[–]friedrich101 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a really good way to gain a leadership role. If you are seen as someone who legitimately shares abundance and views the world as a place for you and your comrades to benefit, people will follow you. Studies show that you gain respect by taking care of yourself and your friends. Say you have three choices: (1) steal coffee from the pot on your coworkers desk for yourself, (2) Pour coffee for the coworker, (3) pour yourself and your coworker coffee. This is a study that was done by van Kleef (a dutch psychologist), and the data showed that: (1) your respect rating dipped only slightly, (2) your respect ratings collapsed, and (3) your power affordance spikes sharply. Pretty interesting.

[–]zuchit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree with the original post.

But I agree with you. That's how it should be done!

Thanks for posting!

[–]All__fun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Legit!

I will definitely keep this in mind.

[–]collidoscope 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP, your post is full of fluffy language and lacks direction. You're giving lessons based on personal theories rather than personal experience. It reads like a "vomit draft" by an eager preacher.  

However, this comment/mini-FR is a gem.

[–]iReign_x 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rationalisation.

We often talk of women doing it, "hamstering". Everyone does it, I've done it, and you've done it. It is a kind of mediation between your instincts/emotions and your "mind".

How do we combat this?

  • "Why?" "How?" Scrutinise yourself

  • Hold frame, to yourself. You spewing some bullshit and it made your feels better? Back that shit up, Criticise yourself

In this cushion society, like OP said we

shift the blame and complain

Your Hamster protects you. Your ego.

Grab the Hamster and choke that cunt to death. You're not a child anymore, know yourself.

[–]plentyoffishes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huge difference between complaining and working through problems out loud. I would agree that complaining doesn't help, but to "suffer in silence" is not going to help either. Instead of suffering, talk to people about your problems in a constructive way.

[–]vys1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even better, don't suffer in silence and start putting in effort to make the suffering stop.

[–]silvertongue35 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't suffer in silence. You can hear me grunting and breathing heavily as I inflict pain and suffering upon myself at the gym. That is where I go for catharsis.

Sometimes though, this quote sums up how I feel.

"Patrick Bateman: I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust."

[–]epixs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen. The gym is my comfort, cause no one is going to comfort you outside in the real world as a man.

[–]House-of-Crows 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. Anytime I have any sort of negative emotion, I either run my ass off or lift my ass off. Always use the negative as a catalyst for positive change.

[–]Reanimate_87 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women have an external process of problemsolving by mainly talking about it. Men can do that stuff internally. So when a men would talk about his problems, it would be when he reaches a conclusion.

[–]NidStyles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Learn to complain internally. Having an internal voice that you can bitch to when things are going awry helps you maintain a solid frame.

My daily internal narrative when interacting with people whom I deem to be idiots sounds like this:

"This motherfucker's a straight up retard... I ought to slap the shit out of him for being such a disrespectful little shit, but that won't solve the problem. Fuck; I hate dealing with these people..."

Seriously, this is the sort of thing I say to myself during most interactions in my daily life. There are only a few people that this doesn't occur with, and surprisingly those are the few people I can tolerate being around for more than a few minutes at a time. The rest of the people I feign casual interest in what they have to say and remain amuse with their stupidity. To those that wish to keep their arrogance up and position themselves as alphas over me, I will play the part of the beta, because I know putting the egotists in their place is a waste of time and energy. You have better things to do than to fight in every social situation for the AMOG position, and honestly, being the AMOG just means you have more attention drawn to you. That is not always in your best interests in the long term, as they puts you in the position of being socially responsible for the leadership of a group while you are present. It makes the other members of the group defer to you and seeking your guidance while you are present. I'm not interested in doing that.

[–]Cypher211 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you're genuinely struggling with something and need to talk you should have one or two very close male friends who you know you can go and speak to. Nobody else should even know something is wrong.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need catharsis, but that's what exercise is for. And that's also what male spaces are for.

Stressful situations are good opportunities to practice holding frame.

[–]ForcesMTAria 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you, I really needed this post.

[–]Subtletorious 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never complain. Never explain. Never apologise.

That's my personal mantra. Six words which have significantly changed my perception of life.

[–]basilwhite 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR: Work the Serenity Prayer on your problems before you bitch about them.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The one thing I find interesting about therapy is the exit rate. Shouldnt the goal be to teach people to be self reliant?

Also, temporary suffering. Life is about being happy.

[–]chickenparade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone.

[–]iLLxNarcotiix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My time in the military taught me just that. If I'm sitting around complaining because of a problem then I am part of the problem. All that time wasted could have been put forth in finding a solution. On the other hand, I know a few guys who will cry to every ear that will listen rather than working on fixing their problems.

[–]Ehcadroj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Give me a hard time but don't give me shit." - Grandpa

[–]hbdale309 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Use your anxiety effectively to solve problems"

Words of wisdom there.

Think, read, & write to keep track of trials and errors. When you find a solution, never allow yourself to forget it so the problem will not repeat itself.

[–]lilsting 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last night I'm talking with a female co-worker of mine who I find attractive, and I'm currently working on plating. She's complaining to me about some problems she had at work that day with some other people yada yada yada. After about a minute of listening to her yap I tell her, "As much as I'd love to stand here and listen to your problems, I'm really not going to." She laughed and then started asking me questions about my day. I declined the invitation into her reality, and invited her into mine which she accepted.

I say this all to say that don't be afraid to tell it like it is. If you're not in the mood to listen to someone complain, than don't. She has her orbiters and her female friends to complain to, NOT YOU.

[–]nutty_bi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent post. We must all become champions. No excuses!

[–]RandyRonRonson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whatever happened to Gary Cooper, the strong silent type?

[–]my_redpill_account 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really hard to do this when you've been doing it for years. Any advice how to curb this talking out loud complaining?

I'm always high energy and talk too much to begin with. Trying to stop it but my brain tends to overpower my rational thinking and I fuck up. Really want to change this about myself.

[–]2 Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends on the thing pissing you off. For me it's rain and flaky mother fuckers who say they'll be there, and never showthen bitch about not being paid. I can't build in the rain, can't do shit about it either, and it's rainy as fuck this year. Looks like another year lost because the season to build is so fucking short. If it's not done by Sept 15, it's going to sit until June the next year. When you can't count on people to be there when it isn't raining, you lose days and weeks of work. Can't control the weather, and I wish we had Amish here because they get shit done.

I don't really complain about it, but I need a home to live in and a shop where I can work. I'm doing what I can, but it's not a one man in the mud thing. Can be stoic about it, but how do you motivate lazy and flaky fucks by just letting them be that way?