Banned from /r/lgbt? 'Threaten' to donate thousands to WBC

peoplecanbeidiots · 2年前

"my facebook page is a safe space for atheists also go kill yourself, fellow nonbeliever"

Fuckin' tool. Got him to apologize at least, not that I really gave a shit.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

And yet you refrain from talking about things because you find them inconvenient or disagree with my positions, while you talk about things using blanket statements that discard the realities of many trans* women's lives, bodies, and identities just so you can support your own ideas about what defines gender.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Actually, I agree with that comment. What makes a person a woman is whether they identify as a woman, not how they dress or what their name is or what others threat them as. From that point, if you respect their personhood (as you should for all people), you'll respect their identity.

Beyond that, in this metaphor, not all bulldozers are being used as dump trucks, only a small portion.

(( honestly i don't like that metaphor because it reinforces a binarist view of sex/gender/existence, but my point is still valid ))

valeriekeefe · 2年前

You're insisting that trans women aren't women at all unless they're out, which privileges women who are capable of safely being out and defines women entirely by way of how other people treat us.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

The experiences of people who are raised "as a girl" are extremely varied and have great overlap with the experiences of people who are raised "as a boy".

Furthermore, raising is not something that is merely done to a child; the child is not a passive entity in the situation, and internalizes various things based on their sense of self and how they feel the raising applies to them.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Let me toss you an idea I got from high-school speech class. Communication is 50% what is said to you, or even less than that, and 50% how you perceive it, or even more than that.

Honestly, I feel it's entirely dependent on how you perceive what is being done to you.

In a similar way, if you are a woman, who without protest, is recognized and treated by society as a man, your social experiences are going to be different than those of a man because you are not a man. (( Whether or not you'll admit it, I suspect you feel that if a cis woman were treated as a boy and raised as a boy, you would be a little more careful about deciding their gender for them. ))

And there's a term for what you're thinking of, it's "perceived gender"; that is, the gender everyone perceives you to be.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Did you use a woman's name as a child? Refer to yourself with feminine pronouns? Tell others that you were a girl? These define being a woman, not an XX karyotype or vulva or decades-later decision. Gender is about your place in society.

Everyone believing or insisting something does not make it so. If everyone you know insists your bulldozer is a dump truck, the fact that they might get that bulldozer to function poorly as a dump truck for a while does not make it any more of a dump truck.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Thank you for addressing part of my reply. I humbly request that, in the future, you keep your words off of my body, identity, and life.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Not necessarily. There're actually plenty of trans* people who are very skilled at being trans-exclusionary. Which is generally a reflection of cissexist body policing, classism, and racism, but regardless of reflection or not, trans* people are entirely capable of it.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

Yeah, you don't know the history of every last trans woman.

Not only that, but trans women don't choose to become women. Trans women are already women prior to, during, and after transition.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

a) rule number 3

b) "Cis women" is a term, and an okay term, and a term that you should be using. It might surprise you to know that not all of the people you consider "natal females" fit that strict bill or were even assigned female at birth.

c) A trans woman is no less a woman at birth than a cis woman is, unless you think that "how everyone treats you" and "what you are" are equal, which is a dangerous position to hold in a society that treats women as second-class citizens.

d) I feel your blanket statement (regardless of what you mean by "men") is probably incorrect due to the fact that sex and gender are more nebulous than you are probably giving them credit for.

valeriekeefe · 2年前

And if someone looks "like a man" and is forced to outwardly identify as that or otherwise risk harassment or abuse?

What if you are in that situation? What if your mother was in that situation?

Nobody determines a person's gender but themselves.

Robomint · 2年前

So what I learned from this video is:

Women never ever ever have penises.
Addiction is hilarious!
It's totally okay to reinforce femmephobia in order to try to talk men out of voting!

In before: "lighten up, you know what she meant", "they weren't implying addiction is funny", "it was all jokes and so can't cause any harm".

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