I have to say, all of the concepts surrounding the red pill and nice guys facinates me. I am guilty, certainly as a single male with no prospects, of using a lot of these defense mechanisms in the past to cope with solitude. The 'psycological hover hand' as I like to think of it, the undue reverence of females, the arguments against objectification, the voluntary self-subordination, Ive done it all to some degree in my life. So I'm on the inside, I know what it feels like to be a 'nice guy'. Having said that, I want to argue that if we shift our determinism from the psychological to the biological for a sec, we can see that the villification and expressions of contempt of these poor damned souls (myself included) isn't correct in the absolute but the product of biological bad luck. There is an absolute glut of males in the world. Males who in earlier times would have been killed off by combat, conflict and risky behavior are sitting around lookin' all stupid as females still chose what biology dictates are the best possible candidates for reproduction. The sex ratios are still skewed, no doubt...the male vs female birth rate still slightly favors males and the survival rate still favors females, but i think in recent years it has shrunk to a rate below what is good for the species. (I wont even go into Asias selective abortions. That's a whole other topic for a whole other sub, and cthulu knows how that'll play out for our species in the long run.). So in western society, what this produces is a relative over-abundance of males that no-one wants to screw. Leading to a pathetic catagory of male that lives in romantic solitude and developes or latches onto tride and true defence mechanisms to work through and rationalize his plight. So the next time you see mr nice guy railing against some alpha that has more luck with women, even though that alpha behaves like any human being when things come easy for them, i.e. he takes his position for granted, go easy on him, he may just be a victim of biologic circumstance. If a virus hit tomorrow that killed off 80 percent or so of males in the world (a presumed nice guy fantasy) these guys would be right there to step in as 'douchebags' im sure as their rate of female attention increased rxponentially. Please folks on here, gimmie input! Tear me down! Make me look like a fool! I really want to have a discussion about this!

Edit: tl;dr: Maybe it's not the nice guys fault. Maybe they're a victim of a glut of available males.

Edit: OK guys thanks!....this is what I LOVE about this place. You can come here to get your face smashed in real good!