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Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Transgender Rights (HBO) (youtube.com)

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[–]AchtColaAchtBier 164ポイント165ポイント  (28子コメント)

Didn't the weather man actually made a point when he asked "Aren't you just saying 'a woman' then?"

Maybe that was unintentional but it seems to be the right question.

[–]amcma 61ポイント62ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yeah I feel like he was actually being pretty forward in his talking but his demeanor made it seem like he was unnaccepting

[–]RemnantEvil 58ポイント59ポイント  (12子コメント)

And it's kind of a valid question, and something that trips people up - is a transgender woman a woman who was born a man, or a man that was born a woman?

But that's the most accidentally progressive person I've ever seen. Exactly - why don't we just say woman?

[–]papi_chulo83 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea... i got his point after he said that... but his delivery actually made him seem like a southern hick. But as soon as he said "why not just call her a woman?" I was like holey shit he gets it!

[–]wineheart 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except in this case it was pertinent to the story

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      [–]DomesticatedElephant 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

      That whole section of clips was weird. Can you really mock and condemn interviewers for asking questions that their unaware audience are wondering about? Most of those interviews specifically existed to educate and inform the audience about transgender people, which is a good thing. It's to be expected that private questions are going to come up because their answers are vital to the process of understanding. If people see the question answered on TV it's also going to stop them from wondering about it in real life situations.

      [–]PoppaDoppolis 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      If Jimmy Carter was being interviewed after a circumcision injury I would totally ask if he had a circumcision. Jons not doing too hot lately

      [–]Megunticant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      If the purpose is to educate people, then the interviewer's line of questioning is misguided. The whole point is that what is between your legs does not dictate who you are, and that you are what you feel you are. By bringing us back to the status of their junk, the interviews make it clear that what is between you legs is important in some way. Gender reassignment is a long and often painful process that cannot be done in one fell swoop. When people are mid transition, what are they exactly and how do we make the distinction? Easiest answer? Look between their legs. Even if they have everything else that makes them the other gender, if we keep making people's genitals an important thing, the only important thing will become people's genitals.

      While topically relevant, the question is potentially harmful and goes against what most transpeople believe is important.

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        [–]ChaeDoc_II 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I read someone recently say they were a 'transgender lesbian' and didn't know what it meant. I knew what both words meant individually, but together I couldn't figure it out. But I asked, and it was explained politely and everything is cool.

        [–]Cttam 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Regardless of what the actual question was, I think the main problem was his apparent exasperation at the idea of having to learn new things in order to accommodate a marginalized group (when really it's pretty simple and not a big deal).

        [–]iAmtheHyphen [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Glad I'm not the only one who felt like this.

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          [–]dpekkle 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Non-US Mirror

          Tags: International Region UK US Youtube Global Link ^

          [–]flyafar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          mini tags are a great idea!

          [–]iceytoa1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I love John Oliver and his show, but I really do wish they could release it everywhere at once.

          It's so topical that it needs to be out asap.

          [–]V5Blast 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You can always copy the video url into a site like http://9xbuddy.com/ and download the video too.

          [–]iamthegame13 133ポイント134ポイント  (26子コメント)

          When the Gay marriage ruling passed last week, I had friends questioning me why I was openly "celebrating" the ruling.

          "You're not gay, why do you give a shit" was a common question.

          I asked them if they celebrated Chris Colabello's homer in the Jays game the night before. "Of course" they all said.

          "Why, you don't play for the Blue Jays? Why would you care how well they do?"

          It was always met with silence or a shitty response.

          The point is. Literally everyone here plays for the same team. And as cliche or cheesy as that sounds, its true. Humans are humans. And any behavior humans have or will have that can generate a staggering suicide rate or a staggering rate of violence against a specific group is truly reprehensible.

          And if you answer with, "well some people don't understand" that's not a real excuse. At least not pertaining to physical or verbal violence towards an individual. And I would wager that if you're reading this, then you're not really as ignorant as you might say/believe. You're on reddit, in 2015. Use this as an opportunity to teach.

          If you have friends or family members who don't seem to understand help them to.

          [–]AirBlaze 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

          First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist.

          Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.

          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

          -Poem by Martin Niemöller

          edit: I'm learning this poem has been translated many ways. The Wikipedia article says the above is the best-known version but perhaps it's biased.

          [–]ianmckaye 40ポイント41ポイント  (6子コメント)

          This gets quoted a lot and I find it interesting, that the version I see on reddit is pretty much always the one, that mentions the "socialists" in the first line, while in Europe and here in Germany it is pretty much always the version mentioning the "communists" (like in the earliest version of the poem) who they came for first. It somehow feels like people feel better, if they don't have to use the "c" word in a positive context.

          Don't get me wrong, this is not a jab at you, just an observation.

          Edit: No idea, who downvoted you. The version you posted is still a popular one.

          [–]aamedor 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Also far too many Americans think socialism and communism are synonymous.

          [–]Cttam -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

          also, as an anarcho-communist, I can tell you far too many people (Americans especially) have no idea what either of those words mean

          [–]toxicmischief 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Damn eight legged commies.

          [–]Qwyxand 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Nah, you're thinking of arachno-communists.

          He's talking about anarcho-communists, which are animal-communists that walk and act like people-communists.

          [–]JohnDiesintheMiddle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Sorry man, but that anthro-communism. He was talking about argo-communism, which are communists that pretend to make a movie in order to rescue hostages.

          [–]Cttam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          dont cointelpro me bro

          [–]R_K_M 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Im pretty sure the 3rd verse is about unionists, not jews.

          [–]MORMON_EXTREMIST 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The version I remember best specifically mentions trade unionists, so I think you might be right.

          [–]postposter [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

          According to the wiki on the poem's author, the third verse referring to Jews is the only one that remains static.

          [–]R_K_M [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The german wikipedia claims the opposite.

          [–]cptwinklestein 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There's a children's book that basically has the same message.

          Terrible Things.

          [–]Prathik 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I had a 'friend' who did a skit where he argues with himself about why he wasnt excited for the gay marriage decision because it didnt effect him and in turn he didnt care.

          He's African American. Just thought it was sad for unintentional purposes.

          [–]mushroomyakuza 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Never ceases to amaze me how people fail to grasp this fundamental argument. People are dumb.

          [–]-spartacus- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Everyone is pink in the middle.

          [–]drax117 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          So because I didnt go out and celebrate like the fucking 4th of July, that means I'm a homophobic racist who hates gays?

          I mean cool, I'm glad the right to marry is here. IT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YEARS AGO. But again, there's wayyyyy more pressing and serious issues going on, and I only got time to give a fuck about a certain number of them.

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            [–]dustinhaltom 51ポイント52ポイント  (10子コメント)

            John Oliver is hilarious and on point as always in this video. If you watch TV and see the praise that people like Laverne Cox and Caitlin Jenner get, you'd think that America has finally become a progressive nation, but, even though we are miles ahead of where we were 10 years ago, we still have a long way to go in regards to transgender issues. After Caitlin Jenner's magazine cover came out, many people I know were constantly referring to her as a "freak" and "it" amongst other vitriolic statements. To be honest, I don't really understand how a man can feel like a woman and how a woman can feel like a man, but I would never go out of my way to hate someone just because that person gets a sex change.

            [–]trashlunch 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I was really happy he brought up that distinction between 2 or 3 highly visible transgender celebrities getting treated relatively well and the reality that most trans people still face. One reason that was great is it stymies what I've started to think of as the "reverse persecution effect"--as soon as a single member of some marginalized group is given any recognition or treated with basic decency in the public eye, people come out of the woodwork complaining about how "we all have to bend over backwards for these (whatever group they fear) now!" For example, after Caitlyn Jenner's big magazine photoshoot went viral, half the comments trending on Facebook were some variation on "why does she"--or sometimes he or it--"deserve all this attention? This isn't brave, if I'd known I could get famous from (insert hideously ignorant conception of what gender reassignment entails) I wouldn't've bothered with all my hard work!" It's amazing to see how much backlash starts every single time anything outside the cultural mainstream is portrayed positively.

            Secondly, it draws attention to the fact that LGBT issues haven't all magically been solved overnight, and that discrimination, legal and otherwise, is still a huge problem for people who don't have the resources and public attention of someone like Laverne Cox. It's really easy for those of us who aren't directly affected by a given form of discrimination or prejudice to get impatient when hearing that that's "still" a problem, or to accept any progress as an excuse to turn a blind eye to all further discussion. Don't be surprised when, in the coming months, you start to hear people saying "Ugh, we gave the gays the right to marry! What more do they want?!" This is exactly the sort of thinking that I feel Oliver's segment was addressing head-on: there's no excuse to be apathetic about unnecessary suffering going on in our own country, especially since much of this suffering is brought on by ignorance.

            [–]xMikado 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

            To understand such a thing as gender dysphoria, I think it's easier for us to imagine it by just imagining having to live our whole life as the opposite gender.

            [–]dpekkle 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Yep. It's easier to understand being trans if you try to imagine yourself in the place of a trans person with the same gender identity as you.

            So if you're a cis man it can be easier to try and imagine how a trans man feels than a trans woman.

            [–]Wannabkate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            I am a trans women, I understand. Heres a primer on the science involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsbtQ2-kUwA

            Gender dysphoria is a soul crushing thing. As a child I tried to self mutilated myself. Many times. Imagine feeling so wrong, you want to cut off your penis. Now your 8 and desperate.

            I dread having a sex drive. When I look in the mirror and see the male I want to cry. and have cried. Its something awful. Then again some trans folk barely have any dysphoria. its basic feels wrong to be you.

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              [–]AlbrechtEinstein 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I didn't come here for a debate, will someone just post a non-region-locked version please?

              [–]peachypal 46ポイント47ポイント  (38子コメント)

              I have so many things to say about this subject but let me just say that considering the astronomical suicide and attempted suicide rates among trangender individuals, learning about trangender and spreading the knowledge and support can SAVE TONS OF LIVES.

              If you're not familiar with the concept of trangender like that gentleman from Arizona (OMG! what are the chances that you're in your mid 40s working at a NEWS STATION and you don't even know what a trangendered woman is!?), please start learning today!

              [–]Emelenzia 25ポイント26ポイント  (31子コメント)

              To be fair, one of the reason Trans suicide is already so high is because they inherently are in turmoil, confused, and often depressed for being born into a body they dont feel like they belong.

              I am sure our culture thats still adjusting to trans people hold a lot of responsibility for high trans suicide, but I feel the nature emotional instability of trans hold a even stronger cause.

              Of course this changes little. Someone who on the edge, ready to jump should not be ridiculed or bullied. All your doing is validating their decision on suicide.

              [–]Virgadays 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I am sure our culture thats still adjusting to trans people hold a lot of responsibility for high trans suicide, but I feel the nature emotional instability of trans hold a even stronger cause.

              Actually, a recent large-scale study by the gender clinic of Amsterdam found a strong correlation between the appearance of a transgender person and their mental health. They remarked that those who were visually indistinguishable from non-transgender people had no deteriorated mental health while those who don't pass have. The authors attributes this to the stigmatization visible transgender people face.

              [–]MuffinFairy 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

              As much as it sucks, passing is a huuuuuuge deal for a lot of trans people (not all, but certainly a lot) because of how terribly we tend to get treated pretty much everywhere if we don't pass.

              [–]dpekkle 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

              That's really interesting, but makes sense.

              It's especially important because passability is directly related to how young you are when you receive medical treatment. If you can get in before puberty you'll pass virtually flawlessly.

              And the age at which a trans person has access to and awareness of medical treatment depends hugely on social factors. In that way helping address social issues is going to have a huge impact on the suicide rates.

              [–]ErisC 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

              "Getting in before puberty" is a bit tricky. Most kids realize they're trans during adolescence, and there are plenty of false positives during childhood, according to WPATH. Then there are older transitioners who were never really sure enough until much later in life. So basically I would focus on making therapy and HRT available whenever you're ready, and end the stigma that non-"passing" (I prefer "blending") trans people face.

              [–]dpekkle 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's hard to tell if coming out/realising late in life is a relic of the lack of awareness though. For instance, I think we're going to see a lot less late in life gay people coming out in coming years, and the same is probably going to be true of trans people with increased acceptance and awareness.

              Of course there will still be people transitioning later, but the average age should decrease as it becomes more accepted.

              end the stigma that non-"passing" (I prefer "blending") trans people face.

              That would be lovely still.

              [–]alezit 22ポイント23ポイント  (13子コメント)

              It's because of gender dysphoria.

              David Reimer is a prime example. He was born male, but was raised as female because a fucked up circumcision damaged his penis and they surgically turned his damage penis into a vagina and raised him as a girl.

              It's pretty heart wrenching and NSFW, but here you go:

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

              He commited suicide several years after starting to live as male again.

              [–]SalukiKnightX 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

              The tragic point made by the case is that gender is what we feel we are. It can't be altered on a whim nor just be taught, it's inherent to who we are as beings.

              [–]alezit 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I remember reading a study where they took a look at biological males raised as girls for one or another reason, there were 13 or 14 of them and I believe all bit two started identifying as male when adults.

              Gender most definitely isn't just a social construct as certain tumblrettes might believe. Of course there are trans people who don't identify with their naturally born sex, but they are in a very small miniority.

              You phrased your comment weirdly so I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Obviously we are the gender we feel we are, but 99% that falls in line with the genitalia we are born with.

              [–]Cttam -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

              why on earth do people think they're clever for saying things like 'tumblrettes'

              [–]pooeypookie 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

              These are the same people who think 'gender' and 'gender roles' are the same thing. They have a very low bar for what passes as clever.

              [–]alezit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

              So apparently having an opinion or personal bias now makes you have delusions of grandeur.

              Hey maybe I am a delusional dumbass and you should screenshot and post my comment to /r/iamverysmart.

              Edit: I'm seriously puzzled over what makes you think I have a superiority complex?

              [–]SolarAquarion 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Gender is what we feel what we should be, not what we are.

              [–]SalukiKnightX 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Transgender is what we feel we should be, gender is what we are; meaning, in your mind you are the gender you are but if your gender presentation doesn't match what you feel your gender is then and you try to correct that then you're transgender.

              [–]teh_hasay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not exactly. Gender is the social construct (i.e What you feel). Sex is the biological one determined by genitalia . Transgender people are people whose sex and gender do not match. They're often used interchangeably but the distinction is being more widely made as the public becomes more educated on these matters.

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                [–]mightybite 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                There's a big difference in rate of suicide attempt between trans people rejected by their families (51%), and those who have the support of their families (32%). Similarly, the rate for those who are employed is lower than the rate for those who are unemployed or lost their job due to bias. And similar again for those who are incarcerated or experienced homelessness. This comes from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey of 2011.

                That, to me, strongly suggests that when a trans person attempts suicide, they are not the problem. People around them are the problem.

                [–]JamesMean 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                32%? I would have expected so much less... I mean, I get that your family supporting you isn't the same as society doing it, but 32%? I wonder how that number compares to the suicide rate among heterosexual outcasts...

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                  [–]vancitygal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  If you allow transgender children to transition medically and socially by delaying puberty and then giving the right hormones in the teenage years, they become adults which function on all levels just as well as cisgender (non-transgender) controls.

                  Source

                  [–]sydien [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  How are we identifying transgender children prior to puberty?

                  Also, isn't this study indicative that these children received an abnormally high level of support for their dysphoria, further indicating that support is the key and not necessarily the timing of transition.

                  [–]x86grl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Yes, transgender people deal with dysphoria -- the opposite of euphoria. The difference between suicide and not for a lot of trans people though is the perceived ability to overcome their condition.

                  It has unfortunately been extremely easy for a transgender person to grow up without even knowing there is a treatment for what they are dealing with. They don't have the hope or support to overcome something difficult. And that is the difference between survival and suicide for a lot of folks, trans or not.

                  Not knowing what is going on with you or that there are options can really fuck with your head. Ending the stigma would go a long way to giving people a chance to overcome this condition. 1

                  Dealing with medical conditions early tends to help a lot -- just like any medical condition. And similarly, delaying treatment can have a nasty effect. That isn't new knowledge.

                  Source: Been there done that.

                  [–]Wannabkate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  No its not. I am can tell you that it's how we are treated by society 100% what pushes us over the edge. While dysphoria is some of the factor in our struggle. Its not the thing that drives a lot of our suicides. I just lost a friend last week. She felt like a failure because she couldn't get a job. We are often rejected by society in small ways but those small ways add up fast.

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                    [–]saepekili [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                    Just an FYI, it's transgender.

                    [–]MisterMetal 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    If you're not familiar with the concept of trangender like that gentleman from Arizona (OMG! what are the chances that you're in your mid 40s working at a NEWS STATION and you don't even know what a trangendered woman is!?), please start learning today!

                    yes because many people haven't serious thought about or been closely involved with other transgendered people directly, especially in states that are hard right winged. Theres room for a discussion and there is going to have to be so people can understand what a transgended man is and a transgendered woman is because if you havent though about it before there is room for confusion.

                    [–]NicholasCajun 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    What I didn't understand about his reaction was that he seemed to be genuinely clueless about what "transgender woman" could even mean, but at the same time said he "can't even keep up anymore". If he means keeping up with sex/gender labels, then transgender is basically entry level right after homosexual and bisexual. It's not like he heard about cisgender or pansexual or any of those phrases. I guess I can understand being confused on if transgender woman means "currently a woman" or "used to be a woman" but he didn't seem to be weighing that distinction.

                    I don't fault him for his reaction though, he did seem completely confused and there was no hate or anger in his reaction. Everyone has to hear something like this for the first time. I've never even known a transgender person (to my knowledge), so if not for the internet and some TV shows I wouldn't have a clue. I just don't get what prompted him to say he can't keep up with it anymore.

                    [–]peachypal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'm completely with you on the confusion towards this subject among those who never have had interactions with transgender people or thought about them. But, I just hope that the discussion that needs to be had to spread awareness is not about whether or not transgender exists or how legit it is. Guys like Mike Huckabee don't ackowledge the exsistance of trangender people and they fiercely deny them any rights because in their eyes trangender people are just "attention seekers demanding special rights". We don't have to sink to that level so those bigots are given an oppotunity to use that as a platform to insult and attack the trangender comunity.

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                      [–]WalterOzymandias 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      At the end of the day people are people. We come into the world the same way and each face the same mortality of life. While I'm glad that gay marriage was recognized as a right this past week I hope that sooner rather than later transgender people can be recognized with dignity as well. Each of us may have our differences but that is no reason to treat someone as subhuman.

                      [–]verstehst 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Please don't attribute any malice to the following ignorant questions, but:

                      1) how is it not completely natural to be curious about this (relatively new) phenomenon of completely and voluntarily changing one's sex - including and especially questions about the logistics of overhauling your own genitals?

                      2) how is transgenderism not a mental disorder? any way you look at it- if you want to tout that gender is a gradually acquired social identity, then something in a transgender person's mental development has made them feel incompatible with their assigned 'gender construct'. If you want to argue that they're 'born that way' and 'can't be changed', surely you'd have to admit that because there's no apparent biological advantage or evolutionary reason, that being transgender should then be classified as some kind of genetic defect?

                      I'm really not trying to be bigoted here, but so many modern ideas about transgenderism don't add up for me, and the fact that it's such a taboo topic of discussion makes it hard to get the details required to understand it

                      [–]Virgadays 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      how is it not completely natural to be curious about this

                      Curiosity is great, as long as it is not invasive. having to rationalize your existence to a complete stranger in the pub does get tiresome after a while, as well as people demanding to know what genitals you have.

                      how is transgenderism not a mental disorder?

                      Currently gender dysphoria (the negative feeling associated with being the 'wrong' sex) is regarded as a mental disorder because it deteriorates one's mental health and quality of life. Being transgender itself however is not.

                      if you want to tout that gender is a gradually acquired social identity, then something in a transgender person's mental development has made them feel incompatible with their assigned 'gender construct'.

                      Transgender people make the distinction between gender identity and gender roles. The first is your personal understanding on what sex you are or should have been. The latter is a social construct dictated by culture. Despite the stereotypical image often delivered by media, not all trans women (male-to- female) love skirts and frilly things. There are many who love tinkering with motorcycles as there are trans men (female-to-male) who spend their Sunday afternoons baking muffins in a flowery apron.

                      If you want to argue that they're 'born that way' and 'can't be changed', surely you'd have to admit that because there's no apparent biological advantage or evolutionary reason, that being transgender should then be classified as some kind of genetic defect?

                      It would be a incorrect to say that just because you can't think of an evolutionary advantage, there can't be one. Also, a condition that people have from birth isn't necessarily genetic. Hormone levels for example have a great influence during early pregnancy.

                      [–]verstehst 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Thank you for taking the time to type this out.

                      So would I be right in summing up your explanation as follows?:

                      1. transgenderism is the process that subjects with pervasive and persistent gender dysphoria undergo.

                      2. transgenderism is about gender identity i.e. sexual identity i.e. genitals and gender constructs are irrelevant

                      This gives me more questions than answers..... If 1. is true, isn't gender reassignment/becoming transgender a band aid solution attempting to fix a bigger problem?

                      ...if 2 is true, how does gender dysphoria/transgenderism not fall under the umbrella of sexuality and fetishes? how can you clearly differentiate gender dysphorics from people who people who are into tentacles/feet/fur?

                      And if you think that a defective amount of hormones in the womb causes gender dysphoria, why can't we just use hormones to make people comfortable in their own genitals? This is confusing stuff.

                      [–]Virgadays 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      In its broadest meaning 'transgender' is an umbrella term for all behavior crossing gender roles associated to one's sex. This includes crossdressers, transvestites, genderqueers, transsexuals, dragqueens etcetera.

                      Now comes the confusing part: Transsexuals (people who identify as a different sex than the one they were assigned at birth) often refer to themselves as transgender because they find the 'sexual' part of transsexual misleading as it is often used to indicate preference, not identity as in homosexual, bisexual and asexual.

                      transgenderism is the process that subjects with pervasive and persistent gender dysphoria undergo. transgenderism is about gender identity i.e. sexual identity i.e. genitals and gender constructs are irrelevant

                      As previously said, people are transsexual (transgender) by definition when they experience a mismatch between their physical sex and the one they identify as: they feel distressed about their primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. Some opt for hormone replacement therapy and/or surgery to alleviate their gender dysphoria, while some do not for various reasons.

                      isn't gender reassignment/becoming transgender a band aid solution attempting to fix a bigger problem?

                      In some way it is. The results from hormone replacement therapy and surgery aren't perfect, so although it decreases the gender dysphoria of a transsexual person, it seldomly completely disappears.

                      how does gender dysphoria/transgenderism not fall under the umbrella of sexuality and fetishes? how can you clearly differentiate gender dysphorics from people who people who are into tentacles/feet/fur?

                      Primarily because transsexual people do not start transition for sexual arousal, but simply to feel more comfortable with their body. Many even are asexual because they have been uncomfortable with their genitals for so long they never learned to enjoy sex.

                      Surely their are people who find the thought of being the different sex arousing, but they fall under the 'transvestite' category and very rarely attempt medical transition. If they do, they almost without exception regret it later on.

                      And if you think that a defective amount of hormones in the womb causes gender dysphoria, why can't we just use hormones to make people comfortable in their own genitals? This is confusing stuff.

                      This has been attempted in the past but sadly has an adverse effect. It is the current understanding that the sex-differentiation of the brain is a one-way process that can't be reversed. Administering testosterone to a trans woman or estrogen to a trans man will only increase their distress because they see their body continue to develop in the 'wrong' way. Cross-sex hormone replacement therapy however does alleviate gender dysphoria and is considered standard treatment.

                      [–]kreod 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Thank you for this! I've been reading up on LGBT issues and this is really helpful for me to understand some more about Transgenders and gender identity

                      [–]dpekkle 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      transgenderism is the process that subjects with pervasive and persistent gender dysphoria undergo.

                      The physical, medical, and social process is referred to as "Transition". This can include surgery, hormones, and social changes.

                      transgenderism is about gender identity i.e. sexual identity i.e. genitals and gender constructs are irrelevant

                      Well it's about a mismatch between the body and the brain. All the factors of gender (like gender expression, the way you are perceived) are sort of tied together with your body though, and gender is complicated because of that.

                      1. is true, isn't gender reassignment/becoming transgender a band aid solution attempting to fix a bigger problem?

                      Transition isn't perfect. It doesn't allow for full reproductive capabilities, and some other aspects aren't changeable (especially after puberty).

                      2 is true, how does gender dysphoria/transgenderism not fall under the umbrella of sexuality and fetishes?

                      Feeling like a man or a woman is entirely separate from what you are sexually attracted to, what turns you on, or who you like.

                      And if you think that a defective amount of hormones in the womb causes gender dysphoria, why can't we just use hormones to make people comfortable in their own genitals?

                      The brain is literally developing in the womb. Some things just can't be changed once they are set. It's like how alcohol can have a huge impact on a developing fetus (FAS), but adults are fine with it.

                      [–]ChromiumGirl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      And if you think that a defective amount of hormones in the womb causes gender dysphoria, why can't we just use hormones to make people comfortable in their own genitals?

                      What ever gender you currently feel you are, I want you to imagine gaining the secondary sexual characteristics of the opposite gender - so if you're a guy it's stuff like a baby face, loss of strength and muscle definition, addition of some curves and junk in the trunk, and definitely noticeable breast growth; if you're a gal, it's going to be facial and body hair, muscle mass and a gut, male pattern baldness, and to quote Venkman a lovely singing voice... People will forever more treat you based on those characteristics regardless of what you tell them.

                      Now, how do you feel? Do you think doubling down on the hormones that are producing those traits, and thus enhancing them, will make you feel better, or would you rather have the hormones and traits that correspond to how you currently feel and know you should be?

                      That's why.

                      [–]Steve_the_Scout 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      It sounds like you've heard a lot of conflicting things from different sources, which is where your misunderstandings/confusion come from.

                      1) Curiosity is totally fine, but it's best taken care of with a quick Google search for the "basics" (most "interesting"/apparent things), rather than asking a person you don't necessarily know all that well. (For a quick answer, for male-to-female they basically mechanically reverse the male differentiation that happens during development i.e. split up the scrotum to form the labia and move the glans around and take away some tissue to form the clitoris, for female-to-male, they don't really do much. Maybe a skin graft around some inflatable pump. It's actually kind of unfortunate, but they're looking into related medical technology to help people recover from injuries, last I checked).

                      2) Transgenderism is a bit of a shorter name for gender identity disorder- it is considered a mental disorder, at least in the U.S. However, that is a bit unfair due to the mechanics of it: basically, male and female brains have a different structure, and the brain develops separately from the body. Your body could be formed to one sex (as in genetic, physical sex), but your brain could have the characteristics of another sex (as in sexual dimorphism)- particularly a part important in the brain's perception of the body. So they are literally a man born in a woman's body (or vice versa). It shouldn't be a mental disorder because the person's brain is perfectly healthy in every other way (unless they have something else), it just doesn't match the person's body. So it's something people are born with and can't change.

                      The people who say that gender is a social construct are either using shorthand and mean "gender roles are a social construct", or they're just parroting what they hear without understanding what is meant. And are probably a bit off the deep end. For a really messed up an relevant story that I'm going to shorten a ton, there was a doctor and two parents who had their son circumcised, but it was botched. They then opted to try a social experiment with their son, because they believed gender was purely a social construct, and just go through sex reassignment surgery and raise him as a girl. He ended up with "gender dysphoria" (I put that in quotes because it was artificial), eventually brought it up and was told the truth, and he killed himself a few years later.

                      [–]verstehst 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Thanks for giving me a super basic explanation and for being so tolerant and respectful.

                      To clarify: my point about curiosity wasn't aimed so much at random everyday encounters with trans people, more at JO's ridicule of those talk show hosts for daring to ask people who had come on the show to talk about their gender surgery about their genitals.

                      About 2: this is crazy interesting and informative. What are the main differences between a brain that developed as male and one that developed as female? What problems do these differences pose for people who have the wrong brain/body combo?

                      Also re: the messed up relevant story- is that the one about the crazy New Zealander doctor? Cos I saw that documentary and... isn't it a bit bold to use the story of a tortured kid who was sexually abused and mutilated to draw general-purpose conclusions about sex and gender?

                      [–]DaniAlexander 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      To clarify: my point about curiosity wasn't aimed so much at random everyday encounters with trans people, more at JO's ridicule of those talk show hosts for daring to ask people who had come on the show to talk about their gender surgery about their genitals.

                      Those people didn't go on the show to talk about their 'gender surgeries'. They went on to talk about being transgender issues. Many transgender people do not have any surgeries. Some have a few. Some have the whole shebang. Whatever is under someone's clothes is not the point, unless they were there specifically to discuss transgender surgeries (which could be a great subject to cover, but, other than cost, isn't why trans* visibility is important.)

                      What the trans individuals you're referring to were talking about was society's views on them and how it makes it difficult to get through day-to-day life when society treats you like ass, when you cant see the doctors you need to see, when it's tough to go to a hairdresser because it means coming out to them, when people spit on you, punch you, kill you because you're transgender. And then the talk show host goes, "do you still have a penis?"

                      Hope that explains it =)

                      [–]coyotestories 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      It's totally normal to be curious. It just happens to be extremely rude to quiz someone on their genitalia in public. Google it, look it up. But don't put trans people in that position. And remember that not everyone has surgery, it's different for everyone.

                      Mental illnesses become mental illnesses when they're damaging to someone's life. Being trans is not inherently damaging. The symptom of dysphoria can be, and living in a very transphobic society definitely is. But being trans in and off itself? Not a disorder. It's a divergence, but it's not a sickness, not something that needs to be cured.

                      [–]supahflyTNT 47ポイント48ポイント  (60子コメント)

                      As much as I love 'last week tonight' and Oliver I could barely get through this episode without turning it off. He acts as though this is some clear issue that everyone should understand from the beginning and if you don't, you are an immoral, uneducated person. Yes, he has great intentions in trying to spread awareness of this issue, but doing it in a patronizing fashion is hurting more than it helps IMO. This is an understandably incredibly confusing topic

                      edit: grammar

                      [–]ThatIowanGuy 52ポイント53ポイント  (45子コメント)

                      It actually can be quite a clear issue.

                      "Are you man or woman?"

                      "Man"

                      "Than please piss in the men's bathroom please"

                      [–]davanillagorilla 12ポイント13ポイント  (33子コメント)

                      Not for people like me who have never thought of "gender" as a real thing. Personally, I don't even feel I have a gender, I feel that I'm a man because I have a penis. I've read and watched tons of things about it, I've asked people on reddit to explain, and nothing changes. For the record, I am totally for LGBT rights. I agree that transgender people should not be discriminated against and should be able to use the correct bathroom. It just makes absolutely no sense to me and acting like it's the simplest thing in the world is off putting. I have absolutely no problem with transgender people but the way Oliver talked about it in this episode was not the best way to convince anyone. I suppose that's not really his goal though.. I love him, but he never says anything that would be controversial to his ultra liberal audience.

                      [–]Fuhzzies 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

                      Personally, I don't even feel I have a gender, I feel that I'm a man because I have a penis.

                      A color blind person may not be able to distinguish between the color red and the color green but that doesn't mean that green and red are the same color for everyone. Also, just because you can't distinguish between your gender identity and your genitalia doesn't mean everyone experiences it the same way you do.

                      But then how do you explain to a color blind person the difference between green and red? How does a transperson explain to you the difference in how their mind feels it should be and how their body is? Neither of you has a frame of reference to make that distinction. To you, they are one in the same, and there is no more wrong with that than someone not being able to distinguish red and green, it's just a limitation of your ability to experience and percieve something.

                      At some point you just have to trust that some people aren't making things up when they say they can actually see green and red are different colors and some people aren't making things up when they say they do experience mental gender conflicting physical gender.

                      [–]rdm_box 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You should check out Vi Hart On Gender

                      [–]Emelenzia 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      There nothing inherently wrong with thinking of Gender as a physical construct compared to a Mental one in the first place. Its very subjective matter. By villifying everyone on the "Physical Construct" side, all you end up doing is making co-existence that much more difficult.

                      [–]trua [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      To non-transgender people, gender is as obvious and effortless as breathing air. That's the whole point. Everything about you and your manhood is working as expected. You're not broken. You don't feel gender about yourself because it's working, your brain is in tune with the rest of your body.

                      But let me tell you, you do have a gender identity, and it does not live in your penis. It's just invisible and undetectable, because it's not wrong and it doesn't draw your attention to itself every waking moment.

                      [–]Noltonn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      Yep, I still don't have a fucking clue what it would feel like if I was transgender. This is either because I either don't associate as much with my gender, it's just a thing I have like an arm or a leg, it's just there, or because I'm just in good contact with my physical gender, I don't know. I suspect the first. To non-transgender people it's just a completely alien concept, and nobody has ever been able to explain it to me.

                      For instance, I once asked a transgender person if it had to do with falling outside gender roles. That would make some sense, but on the other hand, there are enough men who do not identify as transgender who are very feminine. So does that mean you're just very feminine? They told me no, it has nothing to do with that.

                      Alright, so why do you feel female? Because I have a disconnect mentally between what my brain tells me my parts should be and what parts I have. I knew it would've been offensive if I said it, but that kinda sounds like one of those people who are convinced they should be missing an arm or a leg, and sometimes genuinely cut it off, and we do treat that as a mental illness. So what makes being transgender different?

                      That's basically where I get stuck with most discussion about this. I just do not understand the disconnect. This is also why a lot of people treat it as a mental disorder. Because to a lot of us, that is what it really sounds like. And if I'm honest, I'm still not convinced it is not.

                      [–]coyotestories 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      Personally, I don't even feel I have a gender

                      that IS an option, by the way. You can be "none" or "neither" or "none of the above".

                      [–]Wolverinejoe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Or both! Gender fluidity is a thing.

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                        [–]Davidfreeze 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Or we can just have a bathroom with all stalls. And just call it a fucking bathroom. People can use it. Why is pissing and pooping a gendered activity?

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                          [–]mochi_crocodile 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Same here. I think the problem is that the position of having separate bathrooms in general is problematic. Unless you clearly state why bathrooms should be separate, the whole issue becomes idiotic.

                          In sport events it makes sense to separate people on their birth gender, because their physique can give them an advantage over other players (For example women's tennis would be filled with transgender people at the top of rankings if we did not consider this physical advantage)

                          [–]IcyBubbles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          http://www.transathlete.com/#!policies-by-organization/c1vyj

                          A lot of the major sporting bodies allow transgender athletes to compete under their affirmed gender. Though many require certain things.

                          Women's tennis as per your example, allows transwomen after "Surgical anatomical changes have been completed, including external genitalia changes and gonadectomy."

                          [–]Mortusa 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Shaming people to change their views doesn't seem healthy really.

                          [–]Emelenzia 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          I really agree. I feel a lot of this is due to this following up last week episode of "Online Harrassment" that really pushed the whole agenda off "You should never offend anyone, if you do your a monster".

                          This video had a lot of good points and brought to light certain good issues. But it was also drowning in petty issues of "Her or Him" "John or Karen". It coddled people who are easily offended and ridiculing the people who accidentally offends them. As you say its very condescending and one sided.

                          I am always on the side of "If you want to be offended that your right, but dont step on my own rights in the process".

                          [–]MuffinFairy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                          Dehumanizing transgender people and perpetusting an attitude that orevents us from being employed or offered housing or gets us murdered is your right?

                          No.

                          This episode isn't about trans people being offended, it's about the fact that we're often treated like subhuman, second class citizens through legal and social discrimination. We want some fucking respect, and we're going to fight for it the same way women, racial minorities, and LGB have.

                          Don't try and make us sound like we're stepping on any of your rights here, you're not the one being oppressed by this issue.

                          [–]Tsegen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          As you say its very condescending and one sided

                          The stereotype of liberals, which they can only get away with if they're on point.

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                            [–]thedumbdown [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            Worst episode of Last Week Tonight. He just didn't have it. Oliver usually twists the subject to create new shading and views, but this feature was half-assed. I imagine they had something else ready to when the SCOTUS laid the verdict down and Oliver and crew scrambled to change. Still love the show.

                            [–]Gruzman [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            As much as I love 'last week tonight' and Oliver I could barely get through this episode without turning it off.

                            This has been a major problem with Oliver and continues to be a major problem with "progressivism" itself. Its adherents act as if their worldview is obvious, easy-to-adopt or otherwise "right." And spend most of their time plying 'comedy' to advance their agenda without addressing the reasonable disagreement that is all around them. When people talk about the stereotype of "liberal scolds" and so on, his character is a prime example.

                            [–]proROKexpat -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I agree this episode rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not anti-transgender but its not a clear cut issue.

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                              [–]VirginWizard69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              John Oliver: SJW shill. Another swing and a miss.

                              [–]Antigonus1i 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Not as good as usual to be honest. Making fun of media-people not being sure how to treat trans people got kind of boring after a few times.

                              [–]vulcan24 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Any chance of a mirror for us international folks!?

                              [–]lookatmetype 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Damn John Oliver is really alienating the white cis male crowd with his videos lately. I expect this to go under the radar once again.

                              [–]MuffinFairy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It has barely 200 upvotes on here and /r/videos combined :/

                              [–]_JackWilshere 7ポイント8ポイント  (24子コメント)

                              Didn't like this episode that much. It's an important issue, I just didn't like how he tackled it. Way too ironic and condescending, which would normally be fine with me, it's just that this is way too sensitive a subject.

                              [–]teapot112 16ポイント17ポイント  (23子コメント)

                              hm. I didn't find this episode any different than any other previous episodes. Do you feel like he personally challenged your long held opinions?

                              [–]_JackWilshere 6ポイント7ポイント  (22子コメント)

                              No, but it's because I already "agreed" with his opinion. I thought he didn't give the opposition a fair shot.

                              [–]supahflyTNT 6ポイント7ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              I love John Oliver don't get me wrong, but his inability to understand that people who grew up completely ignorant to this are genuinely confused is kind of ridiculous. This is not a simple issue akin to understanding the transition of weather conditions.

                              [–]CollumMcJingleballs 41ポイント42ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              Literally right after he made fun of the weather man for his hilariously ostentatious response, John Oliver said, "For many Americans this might be the first time they are thinking seriously about transgender issues, so let's take a minute to fill you in."

                              [–]GotMyTowel42 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              For a moment in the weatherman's rant, it almost seemed like he was about to take issue with the fact that they used the word transgender and didn't simply call her a woman, the way she would likely have wanted to be seen.

                              [–]Cletus_Van_Dam 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Take a minute to fill you in=scream at you how you're a piece of shit if you don't agree lockstep with John Oliver.

                              [–]supahflyTNT 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              yeah I realized that. and I also realized the absurdity of explaining an incredibly complex issue as fast as possible in the span on 15 seconds obviously meant for comedic effect. For a 40 year old person to whom this concept seems absolutely as alien as me turning into a fucking martian, you can not seriously try to explain this in that short amount of time. He was clearly making fun of their ignorance on the topic for never having thought of this before being on live television in the year 2015. Please keep it real I am trying to encourage an intellectual discussion.

                              [–]CollumMcJingleballs 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              The weatherman was an entrance into an issue, much like the way you would start your essay with an introduction. It's not the issue, but focusing on it distracts from the issue which is that a weatherman took a weird uncomfortable moment to become an stand up comedian and talk about the last story about a "transgender woman."

                              Oliver literally acknowledges that this might come from a stance of not ever thinking about transgender issues since the only real national moment of ubiquitous prominence for them has been now and that's keeping it real. If you keep focusing on the point of John Oliver calling out the weatherman's behavior as a bit ridiculous, but understandable, then you're going to miss the entire rest of the issue at hand in the rest of the video.

                              [–]AvianMinded [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              So exactly what is the issue (or issues) at hand in this video? I think I may know, but I want to make sure we're on the same continent before trying to kick one through the goal posts.

                              [–]ScumSucker- 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Yes, and then the other 95% of the video was incredibly patronizing. Do you really think anyone who would have benefited from that explanation even made it that far into the video?

                              [–]AvianMinded [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              This right here.

                              "You're so fucking stupid. Do you know why you're stupid? Of course you don't, because you're fucking stupid so let me explain just how stupid you are, stupid."

                              [–]Valenkrios 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I can empathize with people who don't fully understand the issues that the transgender community faces. However, I won't tolerate the willful ignorance and hate of those who won't try to understand.

                              [–]Inequilibrium 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              but his inability to understand that people who grew up completely ignorant to this are genuinely confused is kind of ridiculous.

                              What inability? He completely acknowledges that being true for a lot of people, in a reasonably empathetic way, and uses it to launch into the best "trans 101" explanations that I've ever seen on TV.

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                                [–]Cttam 4ポイント5ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                As I said in the /r/videos post of this, it tells you a lot about Reddit if you look at which segments make the front page and which ones don't. Unfortunately not surprised this one isn't getting a lot of attention.

                                [–]Tzarlexter 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                It's been two hours from release. Give it time before judging it. Also I believe this video will be very popular on Reddit cause has John pointed out there's a lot of people who "support" transgender but don't really "support" it. Though I do have faith that a majority of Reddit would truly support transgender issues.

                                [–]amcma 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I don't see it on /r/videos. I think it was taken down

                                [–]Cttam 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3bhh21/last_week_tonight_with_john_oliver_transgender/

                                here it is with it's measly 10 upvotes

                                [–]amcma 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I went to the new section of videos and couldn't find it. This is really strange

                                [–]awesomebob 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Tell that to the almost non-stop "I identify as an attack helicopter" jokes that people throw around.

                                [–]ChromiumGirl 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                So really, we just need more peeps who self identify as surface to air rockets...

                                [–]Inequilibrium 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                A lot of trans people on reddit will tell you that the mainstream of the site falls into the "claims to be pro-trans but never acts on that when it counts" category. The majority are unwilling to call out misgendering, transphobic jokes, misconceptions, stereotypes, etc. and I regularly see redditors being apologists for people who do those things.

                                [–]Cttam 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I hope you're right and it gets shared by a lot of people.

                                That said, I'm almost certain it will be somewhat controversial. If you look at the reaction to the internet segment in comparison with pretty much any other clip, you can see it was clearly divisive and not as popular.

                                [–]Tzarlexter 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                And that's okay. Any culture to truly change will have a moment of controversy occur. "WHAT I CAN'T/CAN DO THIS ANYMORE". In 5 years my little baby newphew will grow up knowing gay marriage as marriage. THAT'S AMAZING. Only positive should be important in this type of movement,work,change cause I see the mountains of negative.

                                [–]Cttam 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Oh sure, you absolutely need struggle to make change. I just wish reddit wasn't such a reactionary hivemind pushing against that struggle.

                                [–]ericshogren 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                Consistently these will get upvoted to the front page. This happened last week too, since they air late at night, and people want to watch the episode before discussing it.

                                This will be on the front page in a few hours.

                                [–]Cttam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                The internet harassment video had about 3-4000 fewer upvotes than the average submission. This video has 14 upvotes after 4 hours.

                                Like I said, hope I'm wrong though.

                                [–]420WeedGoku -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                reddit is extremely transphobic

                                [–]ishtupid 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                You say that like reddit is one person.

                                [–]Hagen711 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                A website with an upvote/downvote system is going to have a collective identity. Same with a website that has the majority of its userbase under an anonymous banner.

                                [–]ishtupid 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                How is that different from stereotyping? Op, you, I, and a thousand others here are not transphobic and we are all redditors.

                                [–]Cttam 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                reddit.mp3

                                [–]Noltonn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                70th place on front page for me, default everything. It's not as good as some but it's not bad by any measure. Come on, don't whine so much.

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                                  [–]Tribalrage24 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  I have a question about the bathroom argument. John makes a case for segregating bathrooms on a grounds of gender, because people will feel out of place if they don't. I always thought bathrooms were segregated based on sex, that's why there are urinals in the "men's" which are made for people with a penis. It begs the question, why are bathrooms segregated? Why do people of different gender or sex have to use a different bathroom, what was the original purpose?

                                  [–]sydien 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Public restrooms as we know them are a relatively modern idea. But let's say you are an engineer and you need to build a large public facility, like a stadium. Let's ignore everything about gender except for the physical differences and results thereof. It's pretty quick to see advantages of separating the sexes.

                                  • Women take longer on average to urinate than men. Individual basis it can mean a few seconds, but expand that to hundreds or thousands and that time adds up.

                                  • Space is finite. Certain restrictions are required, people need some level of privacy for example. Stalls are therefor expected in some areas and not in others. Urinals are smaller.

                                  • Waterflow is an issue. Again urinals require less than a full toilet.

                                  So just taking those three points, it should be clear why we developed gender separate facilities. Men's bathrooms can service a larger number of patrons faster, for less space, using less resources. You can then take that unused space and resource and devote it to the women's facility. Now all of it was done behind the "men and women should be separate" idea, but there are practical reasons for it as well.

                                  [–]Tribalrage24 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  What you're saying is they are segregated based on sex, biological difference between male and female. I can understand that, the queue for women's restrooms are always twice the length (if not longer) than men's. However why not just make a urinal section and then a stall section? I guess women who just want to pee would be stuck waiting In line with all the male crappers who will take longer. I don't know, just something to think about I guess

                                  [–]sydien [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                  Creates a space problem that you kind of touched on. Say there's a line for a unisex bathroom that still has urinals. Men are going to be moving in and out quicker than the women, so a single file line doesn't work. But humans have an odd tendency to respect lines. So if you see a queue, you get in the queue until you see a reason to not be in it. In this scenario, you have a man get in the back of a long line of women, assuming no urinals are available. Just causes human traffic congestion.

                                  So if you're going to combine the bathrooms anyway, at that point it becomes more efficient to just only use stalls. That way you have a constant stream of people going in and out. But then you go back to the other problems. You can't have as many stalls as you can urinals and the stalls take more resources as well.

                                  And you're right. These problems are immediately observable if you go to a concert or something. A women's queue will likely be longer and moving slowly as opposed to a men's which will be shorter by virtue of moving more quickly. This is problem at the intersection of social and practical concerns.

                                  [–]poopbath 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Here are a few reasons: Longstanding prudishness, a tradition of sex segregation (based on the assumption that sex = gender), a culture that regards men as rampant sexual predators barely in control of themselves, and so forth.

                                  Currently, there seems to be a movement to provide unisex toilets or "family bathrooms" where the door locks and it's just a single toilet and sink, like a home bathroom. These are great for transgender people, but also for disabled people with opposite-sexed caretakers who find segregated public restrooms awkward.

                                  Of course, the problem with unisex bathrooms is that inevitably they are occupied by people who are fine with a regular multi-stall restroom, but think the unisex toilet is their personal office or to take a half hour shit at peak restroom usage times.

                                  E: accidentally an important word

                                  [–]ballonhippo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Welcome to the debate where America will have to confront it's sex negative culture.

                                  [–]Arama 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  Am I the only one who agrees that ID pictures like the ones for the DMV should not contain wigs? I don't care if you're trans or if you're trump, if you can change a characteristic that is commonly used to identify you than it shouldn't be included. Its important for LEOs to be able to say "oh, this is person ABC they just lost their wig, they can still board that flight to Miami".

                                  [–]GibsonLexPaul 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  Hair can be changed pretty drastically at almost a moments notice, between getting a new style, a dye job, etc. It's not permanently going to look the way it does in one picture, so why should it matter if someone (not just a trans person) wants to wear a wig?

                                  [–]Arama 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  For the same reason jewelery and glasses must be removed. We want to know what the "default" (as in no modification) look is in case we really need to find someone. I guess it comes from a different time and should be updated to just make sure that facial recognition can identify the person.

                                  [–]GibsonLexPaul 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  What if the person was to wear the wig every day? Wouldn't that be their default then?

                                  [–]Arama 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Yeah thats why I think it's outdated and should be replaced as a system. I was just acknowledging the reason why people thought it was a good idea when they came up with it.

                                  [–]GibsonLexPaul 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Ah, gotcha. I agree that it should be replaced, reworked.

                                  [–]DotaDogma 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  I think the easiest thing to do would be ask children (in an unbiased way) if they actually care. I think they would find out kids wouldn't care.

                                  [–]Emelenzia 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  A lot of adults really dont put to much thought into gender either. I am on the trans spectrum myself. I often cross dress and conflict with most male gender roles. But for me its not a terrible important issue.

                                  I do have empathy for people that are obsessed over gender identity and they should seek what will make them happy in life. But I cant say I agree with this weird societal guilt that people must walk on eggshells around trans so to never upset or offend them.

                                  By being overly fixated on anything, you set yourself up to be offended. Its a inevitability. Co-existence is far more obtainable then re crafting society so no one is ever offended.

                                  [–]kinesind 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Disclaimer: I'm not trans or particularly involved in the trans community, so my opinion might be severely misinformed.

                                  I cant say I agree with this weird societal guilt that people must walk on eggshells around trans so to never upset or offend them.

                                  I think that's a bit unfair to say, trans people (as far as I can see) are not seeking a society where they'll never be offended, they just want to be treated like people. Maybe they wouldn't "obsess" so much over their gender if it wasn't used as an excuse to dehumanize and discriminate against them.

                                  I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that letting people use the right bathroom is such a huge thing to ask.

                                  Also, I'm not a doctor but criticizing someone with gender dysphoria for being obsessed with their gender seems kind of silly. But again, I'm not trans so what do I know.

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                                    [–]Proppin8easy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    All people need to be treated with dignity. Period, but there is an issue here that he does not touch on that is HUGE. Why should the health plans that we all pay for go towards sex changes? Who you are is none of my business, but when you need to make a service that I pay for more expensive so that you can undergo an elective surgery, that's not reasonable to me.

                                    [–]AnotherMasterMind 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Transgender issues reveal broader questions about gender that have always existed. On every subject this video mentioned, military service, bathroom rules, how to present oneself for official portraits, none of these things are new questions, they just become more complex when factoring in gender transitions. That's why although this is about transgender rights, it's more accurately about our general philosophy on sexuality. The bathroom issue is interesting because, it seems that the law makes the distinction on biological terms, in which case it doesn't matter how insulted someone may be, but their assigned bathroom isn't based on identity. Maybe it should be, or maybe we should just have unisex bathrooms, but these are discussions we all still need to have. It's not morally obvious that the law should just consider biological sex unimportant. No matter what the approach mistakes will be made, because we currently do not have a complete theory on gender. I don't know what the ideal culture would look like, but despite Huckabee's insults, I can sympathize with his confusion. Should a person born with a penis be allowed to enter women's bathrooms because they identify as a woman? My intuition says, maybe? We as a society have not thought this through and the answers are not obvious just because you can throw the label civil rights into it.

                                    [–]Bigeasyalice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    Don't you think that it would be more disruptive and dangerous if the woman with a penis uses the men's room? And what about the man with a vagina? A big burly bearded guy going into the woman's room will be disruptive whether he has a dick in his pants or not.

                                    [–]LKDlk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    They should have the same rights as anyone else getting cosmetic surgery. In a hundred years when transgender becomes a reality they should have the same rights as whichever gender they switch to (don't kid yourself they're the same.)

                                    [–]Rileymadeanaccount -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Ok.. so the weather man is 100% right.. She is a woman now, so what is the point John Oliver tried to make? She is a woman now..

                                    [–]urea_formeldehyde -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Why does LastWeekTonight not work in the UK :'(

                                    [–]LimitForce 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Because he's ours now.

                                    [–]Tzarlexter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Till death do us apart. John is ours.

                                    [–]thistokenusername [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                    While I understand to some people this is new, but transgendered people have existed since people have existed. I don't have time for your intolerance, or you having a problem with this issue being simplified. This issue is quite simple. Some people are born in the wrong body, that's it.

                                    [–]amcma -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    I enjoyed it except for one bit where we went on about what to call transgender people by saying "their name." Which is just impossible in practice. I've been told this argument in the past and someone told me that saying "transwomen" is offensive and when I asked about how can I say it respectfully they just told me to call them by "their name" like I was some kind of idiot. To be clear I wasn't walking up and saying "hello transwoman" I was speaking of the group of people. My point is you can't call a group of people all by their name individually.

                                    [–]Cttam 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    He was saying call them what they want you to call them, as in use pronouns they are comfortable with. He used individual 'name changes' as an example of how we basically already do this for a bunch of people.

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