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At Least 5 Predominately Black Churches Have Been Destroyed By Fire In The Past Week (huffingtonpost.com)

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[–]AtheistRummelhoff 23ポイント24ポイント  (23子コメント)

How is this not called terrorism? Someone please explain

[–]Christian (Cross)Lefty_Mcgee -6ポイント-5ポイント  (22子コメント)

Because it's happening to churches. Christians can't be persecuted according to our society, and this directly conflicts with that mentality, so people pretend not to hear it.

[–]mattaugamer 10ポイント11ポイント  (16子コメント)

It's happening to black churches. Using people's actual persecution to further your perceived persecution is tacky at best.

[–]Christian (Cross)Lefty_Mcgee -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

So black churches aren't Christians? Black churches don't count as actual churches? What you are saying is they are seperate from everyone else. Also, it is not perceived persecution. It is actually persecution. It may not be everyday, it may not be explicit. Yet it exists. How are you to understand what it's like if you are not a Christian? Religion is becoming less welcome in this country and that is fact.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)wtfbirds 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

When have white Protestants in this country ever been terrorized at church? This is a racial issue.

[–]mattaugamer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It absolutely is. Apparently the gunman in the initial attack said outright "I want to kill black people."

Not hard to judge the motivation here.

[–]Christian (Chi Rho)UisceDhiaga -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm white. I go to a church with a congregation that is almost entirely white. I cannot tell you how many times people have tried to set my church on fire.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I cannot tell you how many times people have tried to set my church on fire.

Why not?

[–]Christian (Chi Rho)UisceDhiaga [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Too many to count.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)wtfbirds [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Sorry, but I don't believe you. Can you offer at least some anecdotal evidence? White protestants in this country have always occupied a position of privilege in this country relative to Black protestants and Catholics.

[–]Christian (Chi Rho)UisceDhiaga [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

So what you're saying is you don't believe me when I tell you people have tried to set my church on fire just because it's a white church?

[–]mattaugamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every single head of state in the USA has been outwardly Christian. Your money has "in God we trust" written on it. Every child in the US says a pledge to one nation under God.

You're confusing no longer being as often allowed to run roughshod over the non-Christian minority with being actually victimised. It's not persecution. It's a persecution complex. A drastically different thing, and it would be laughable if it wasn't dangerous.

BTW, I'm not a Christian, but I used to be one, I was brought up one. And in a much more secular society than the US.

[–]Christian (Cross)Lefty_Mcgee -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll just say this one thing. In first world countries, we get hungry by dinner time, because it's being a few hours from lunch. In third world countries they may go a week without food. Both instances show hunger. One instance may be far more extreme and much more important than the other, but both have examples of hunger. Same goes for persecution. It may be less serious and much less prevelant and noticeable, but it does exist to a certain extent.

[–]AtheistRummelhoff -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its important to remember where religion are welcome. If persecution is people saying "no" to religion in the government/laws, everyone is persecuted, cause secular means no religion at all.

As long as a President needs to be christian to win an election, "Christian persecution" is laughable at best.

PS. I still can't see much facts about this persecution you are referring to.

[–]AtheistRummelhoff 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fox news kinda likes to portray Christians as being persecuted though, so I'm not sure I agree.

[–]Chuckabear 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Christians can't be persecuted according to our society

Your persecution complex is showing. This isn't about you.

[–]Christian (Cross)Lefty_Mcgee -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Your persecution complex is showing. This isn't about you.

My oh my. You came to the conclusion I suffer from persecution complex by me saying one simple sentence, that is in fact true. You know nothing about me or what I believe. You are right it's not about me personally. What it is about is the perception of Christian in America and western society. I happen to be a part of that. Unfortunately for you, Christians are persecuted. It might not be explicit or extreme like many cases over seas, but it still exists. Religion is slowly becoming less welcome and frowned upon. Even in the recent Supreme Court decision. Justice Kennedy said the First Amendment “ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths.” This is misleading. What is teaching good for if it cannot be put in practice? This country should be allowing practice of religion, not freedom of teaching. Yet, a high school grad can't mention "God" without having the microphone cut off. If you think Christians aren't persecuted, you are either ignorant, or just simply don't care. Both are concerning and detrimental to society derived from freedom of belief and religion.

[–]Chuckabear -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You came to the conclusion I suffer from persecution complex by me saying one simple sentence

Yes, I did, because you're making this about religion when it simply could not be any more obvious that it's about race. But you've made it about you, poor you, the Christian being attacked for being Christian in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

[–]AtheistRummelhoff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here is the fallacy in your argument:

  • Using the goverment to market a religion (any religion) = wrong and not evidence of persecution. It's unconstitutional as the government is secular. If it opens for, as you call it, "saying God in high school" it ALSO opens for other religions to do the same (Buddhism, Islam, hindu etc). The state does not and should not choose a religion over another. You might like this, and you are free to say that you don't (freedom of speech) If you are talking about private school, they are free to have their own policies.

Please, show more examples of the persecution you talk about.