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Congratulations to the winner of CEO 2015 (self.SSBM)
Sejoon700 が 5時間 前 投稿
Since no one seems to be posting it in this subreddit...
TSM Leffen takes it 3-1 against Armada. This is his first 1st place championship in the United States.
[–]Thebestaround555 90ポイント91ポイント92ポイント 5時間 前 (4子コメント)
Alright Leffen's pretty good.
[–]xSwiperx 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
This was my thought exactly, I've been fooling myself for the longest but I can't deny it any longer.
[–]needuhLee 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Winner's Finals was such a high level ditto. I haven't seen a ditto so electrifying since Silent Wolf / Hax at DYFWI.
[–]Derpspecops 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
I called that leffen was gonna win CEO. I bet he gets top 5 at EVO too
[+]TheFats216 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
hes ok
[–]SlySkills 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 5時間 前 (11子コメント)
No Interview. What's up with that lately?
[–]Gliffie 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that's pretty disappointing. Leffen always has good interviews and this was his biggest win so far. I hope some kinda eSports outlet gets a talk with him.
[–]Psychowafflez 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 4時間 前 (1子コメント)
Time constraints possibly.
[–]MamaSexyEggs 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
On the stream. Tafo is gonna post an interview with him, hbox, and mango later. Separately obv.
[–]00ubermensch 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間 前 (7子コメント)
Seriously, it's not like it had to take a half hour or anything. Just a quick 5 minute interview with the champ to talk about his win and his plans for the future.
[–]needuhLee 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間 前 (5子コメント)
It's important to have things run on time though. 5-10 minutes may not seem like a lot but 10 minutes for every event on finals day, when you may possibly already be runnnig behind on time?
[–]ikahjalmr 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
Better to have an interview with no rush than one with barely time to say anything meaningful and risk delaying events on top of that
[–]JadnidBobson 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
There was a lot of downtime before sm4sh started though, I get that you might need to set up the new console and stuff but they should have been able to squeeze it in.
[–]needuhLee 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah I was just playing devil's advocate
[–]TurdSandwich252 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
There was a ton of downtime between the end of melee and beginning of smash4. They could have easily done it
[–]pseudomac 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
You say that but you have no idea what work needed to be done to switch inbetween games.
[–]Xrmy 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Plans for future: leffen will for sure say "win evo" no question
[–]Rayburnmelee 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 5時間 前* (23子コメント)
Absolutely incredible play. His persistence in the recovery on dreamland before the stream cut out was remarkable. https://youtu.be/TU8f7U0Y4MY just after the 2 minute mark, he resets the same situation FIVE TIMES and on the last one armada chokes. HUGE PROPS. I'm glad he seems to be out of his slump- makes things more interesting going into EVO. Glad we finally got to see a mango armada fox ditto. PPMD is a very interesting variable to add to this. EVO will no doubt be a banger of a tourney
[–]reese_ridley 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 5時間 前 (16子コメント)
I'm loving how the top of the ranking chart is looking more and more like a web; Mango always has Hbox's number, but Hbox has gotten the better of Leffen recently, but Leffen proved he can go head to head with Armada now, but Armada can still pull out Peach and beat Mango... makes for some really interesting matchups now
[–]white015 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
hbox wouldnt have beaten leffen at this tournament. You saw what leffen did to armada and hbox was dropping WAY too many edgegaurds vs mango and armada
[–]f1predictions 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間 前 (14子コメント)
hbox only beat him at sandstorm, otherwise leffen has been dominating him. The bias against leffen has been ridiculous, going as far as suggesting that hbox was better than him and that leffen wasnt even a god, when he clearly is.
[–]reese_ridley -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間 前 (12子コメント)
I do think leffen is better than hbox now, but leffen isn't a god and never will be
the "god" title refers to a certain era (that's coming to an end). call leffen a god slayer or whatever you want but those five will always be the gods of smash, just like Ken is still the King
[–]1CH1B4N 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 4時間 前 (5子コメント)
oh no not this again
[+]reese_ridley スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 4時間 前 (4子コメント)
I'm kinda sick of all the LEFFEN 6TH GOD CONFIRMED!!!11!! posts tbh
[–]Yarr0w 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間 前 (3子コメント)
I'm just sick of the stupid god title. We have a ton of good players now. All of them threaten eachother, so do we really need to lable 25 people gods? Should we start assigning them like the Greeks?
[–]Tuna-kid 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
That would be sweet though
[–]HppilyPancakes 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
No, we should just not call everyone who dominates the scene a "god", maybe we should let players make their own new titles. Though, having a bunch of titles for the top 25, each one as a member of the greek pantheon would be sweet.
[–]samurairocketshark 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 42分 前 (0子コメント)
We should just call them God-tier players and just refer to the old ones as the original Gods
[+]f1predictions スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17ポイント-16ポイント-15ポイント 4時間 前 (5子コメント)
no it doesn't, god refers to the skill level of the top players and leffen is one of those players.
[–]ahipotion 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
No, that's not what the God title refers to. Ken is the King of Smash, not because of his skill level, which clearly is nowhere near the current meta, he's still the king.
[–]reese_ridley -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間 前 (3子コメント)
this is just wrong dude, titles are forever
the newer generation of players like Leffen, Westballz, Axe, etc will eventually have their own name, but there's never gonna be another God of Smashtm
[–]Brionac23 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
I swear I've seen this post 1000 times in the past few months
[–]MyLifeForKFC -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
and that's your opinion. and he's entitled to his. why is he wrong?
[–]f1predictions -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
no it isn't wrong, the definition of who the gods and "demi-gods" are changes all the time and if leffen is in any category it is amongst the gods.
[–]ahipotion 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Leffen isn't a god and never will be. It was a title given to five players who never lost unless against each other. Stop trying to put Leffen in a time that's no longer accurate.
[–]Zoler -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 3時間 前 (5子コメント)
Yeah, it's hard to press up-b.
[–]Rayburnmelee 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
Ok but I'm just saying- the persistence is impressive on both ends. I could've just said armada choked like he always does in grands- would that be better? Fuck off
[–]TurdSandwich252 -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
I get what you are saying. If mango was in that situation he would have side b off screen
[–]ahipotion 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (2子コメント)
I don't see why Armada didn't use his shine
[–]mysticslash 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 57分 前 (0子コメント)
it would give him a tech opportunity
[–]itsNick_ 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 54分 前 (0子コメント)
Like Toph said leffen could have wall teched if armada tried to shine
[–]white015 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 4時間 前 (5子コメント)
Until today, I was really skeptical of tafo's theory about the armada "curse", where he simply can't clutch out wins in the really big tournaments, but now I'm a believer. I thought armada had this in the bag, but it looked like leffen barely even broke a sweat. This kinda even reminded me of the 6-0 at RoF last year
[–]samurairocketshark 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 36分 前 (2子コメント)
It's more like Armada chokes in big tournaments after being figured out. There's a reason that people compare him to Mew2king. Even though he doesn't have M2k's emo side, he still has trouble mixing up his style when someone has a read on him. You could see that here, Apex 2015, and Evo 2014. In the Apex example, PPMD took set 2 against Armada 3-0, because he figured out Armada's approach and escape options and Armada didn't adapt at all. In fact, Armada outplayed PP in the punish game, but PP clutched it by reading Armada in neutral.
[–]Coolthulu 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 23分 前 (1子コメント)
It wasn't hard to outpunish Apex 2015 PPMD. His punish game was REALLY off the whole tournament. I think most top 100 players were punishing harder than PP that whole tournament.
Luckily no one can freaking hit him, so he got about five or six punishes for every one of Armada's.
[–]samurairocketshark 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9分 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, that pow-wow/training with Cactuar really made his neutral look leagues ahead of the rest of the Top 100. It'd be really interesting to see whether PP will have whipped his punish game back into shape come Evo time. Although his Falco punishes were looking good at Apex so we could see Falco as well
[–]Hariooo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
he simply can't clutch out wins in the really big tournaments
He won Apex 2012 after being up 2-0 GF1 and losing the next 3 into the bracket reset.
He won Apex 2013 after losing GF1 as well.
Note that this was how he lost both Genesis and Pound 5 so you'd think there'd be a mental block. He still clutched both Apexes out.
So I personally don't agree with the theory. Sometimes you just get outplayed and lose.
[–]samurairocketshark 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 31分 前 (0子コメント)
I think he does have a tough time adapting in general. Armada's punishment is so amazing that a lot of the time the opponent gets overwhelmed and loses all momentum, but when the opponent has a read on Armada he struggles. Even when he struggles though he has the easiest time making it close because of his punishes and edgeguards. If you look at history, Armada got past Mango, Leffen, and Hbox's periods of dominance over him through character switching, not just through straight adaptation.
[–]G0bln 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 5時間 前 (25子コメント)
Mang0 cheesed his way into Loser Finals, though him vs Westballz looked pretty good.
Evo is going to be really fun this year.
[+]buttsoupjets スコアが基準値未満のコメント-20ポイント-19ポイント-18ポイント 4時間 前 (24子コメント)
It's so funny how it's called cheesing when Mango does it.
Armada had a free ride to Winner's Semis, and then got to camp the shit out Hbox in the Fox-Puff matchup.
How is what he did this tournament not cheesing?
[–]white015 41ポイント42ポイント43ポイント 4時間 前 (21子コメント)
i think he meant mango cheesed in that he really only beat macd and plup because of huge chokes on thier part.
[–]buttsoupjets 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 4時間 前 (20子コメント)
Mango choked away plenty in all of his sets, yet nobody calls it choking. They call him a buster. They say "he should play better."
Maybe the fact that Mango played that shitty and still finished 3rd shows how much better he is than those players that played their best and couldn't pull it out? Nah, it'd never be that for Mango lol
[–]BetaDjinn 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 4時間 前 (8子コメント)
Mango is held to higher standards than MacD. More news at 11
[+]buttsoupjets スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8ポイント-7ポイント-6ポイント 4時間 前 (7子コメント)
Lol Mango is held to higher standards than literally everyone else.
[–]Greidam 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well he does claim to be the greatest. Kinda means you're held to the greatest standard.
[–]needuhLee 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't get why you're being so defensive of him. He's the self-proclaimed GOAT so of course people are going to hold higher expectations of him.
Also, I don't see the fundamental difference between choking and being called a buster. At the core they mean exactly the same thing, no?
[–]ssbmhero 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間 前 (4子コメント)
If he wants to call himself the best than he needs to prove it. You don't see Armada hardly winning against players like Plup, Westballz, MacD or Shroomed. If you want to call yourself the GOAT and you then lose to players that are top 7-15 people are allowed to call you out for it.
I think if this tournament proves one thing its that Mango's going to have to work harder to prove that he is the best. Even another Evo win at this point won't solidify him. It actually works against his claim in my opinion, because he wins Evo and only Evo, showing he is only able to perform at one tournament. He is going to need to add some more BH4 tournaments to his current resume to be in contention for the top spot. The MIOM rankings came out when it seemed like Mango was the best, but since then it has been a solid decline for him at each tournament.
For some reason when Mango loses people just say, nah, he wasn't trying that tournament. When he wins, its Yeah thats the Mango we know! Maybe stop and think for a second that other players have bad tournaments and some of his wins can be attributed to other players not playing at their peak. I certainly don't think he has lost his claim for top player and certainly is still in any discussion about the top players, but his case continues to get weaker as other's gets stronger.
[–]Nizbel 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
If we never get summer Mango how do we know its summer?! Also any win out of summer doesn't count because they were against the inferior winter/autumn/spring Mango. We all know Mango only tries during one of the four seasons.
[–]Frozen_Scrotum 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
Even another Evo win at this point won't solidify him. It actually works against his claim in my opinion, because he wins Evo and only Evo, showing he is only able to perform at one tournament.
Another Evo win does not hurt his claim, that doesn't even make sense. Not winning would be way worse. You're telling me that if he outplays everyone at Evo, where all the top players are present, you will think less of him as a player?
[–]ssbmhero 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 35分 前 (0子コメント)
I was talking about an Evo win and only an Evo win. I can see how I didn't make that clear whatsoever.
[–]samurairocketshark 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
I so sick of the the anti-Mango nation circlejerk. The people who john for Mango represent a small percentage of actual fans. It's just like the people who constantly john for M2k .
[–]Coolthulu 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 28分 前 (0子コメント)
I mean, when you call yourself the Greatest of All Time, people hold you to a different standard than other players.
[–]Newance -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間 前 (4子コメント)
Boo hoo Mango got third deal with it.
[+]buttsoupjets スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16ポイント-15ポイント-14ポイント 4時間 前 (3子コメント)
It was CEO lol. When Mango 3VOs don't be a whiny bitchass hating the GOAT
[–]needuhLee 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
You do realize that comments like this is why people hate the whole "Mango nation" shit, right?
[–]reese_ridley 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm amazed you could post that comment with Mango's dick in your mouth
[–]Newance 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Scar, I thought we told you to stop making reddit accounts.
[–]LWD3 -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間 前 (3子コメント)
Okay. You're angry. We gotcha.
[–]buttsoupjets -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 4時間 前 (2子コメント)
When Mango or PPMD win EVO, don't try to be logical when everyone says that Armada and leffen suck or got lucky getting as far as they did. Just remember what you said here.
[–]needuhLee 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前* (0子コメント)
Just because you disagree with people or are sad at how things ended up don't mean you have to go into the results thread celebrating the champion and acting all salty and illogical about the outcome. You could just, you know, not comment.
[–]LWD3 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Oh yeah, dude. I wouldn't ever doubt that Mango could win EVO with his spacies alone. He showed up huge at Press Start and that basically just happened. I'm a Mango fanboy through and through, I just think that he might need to think outside of his usual box, especially against Aramada. Since Armada has developed his Fox so well over the past 6 months or so, Mango has REALLY struggled against him.
[–]white015 -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
I meant they literally had gauranteed edgeguards in the last game and dropped them
[–]skipsfaster 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Dude literally over half of your reddit posts are dickriding Mango. Why do you care so much about defending him?
[–]browndunce 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 27分 前 (0子コメント)
/r/subredditdrama
[–]crievertiem 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well deserved, no matter who you are rooting for
[–]LWD3 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is really a big deal.
We all love the gods but people stepping up in this sort of way is so important to keeping this game relevant through the years.
[–]jinzo2222 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
this makes the evo storyline much more interesting
[–]trapsloth 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
Leffen played amazing, congrats to him.
I'm curious to hear what you guys think about armada possibly playing against leffen with peach again, any thoughts? I know leffen is fantastic at the peach matchup, and has a losing record against armadas fox, but I'm just wondering if anyone thinks it's a possibility soon
I doubt it. I think he's really set on just making his Fox better rather than having to resort to Peach. Maybe he'll do it as a desperation if this streak continues, but I doubt it.
[–]PreCum-Tsunami 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間 前 (1子コメント)
when is crew battle ceo??
[–]Rayburnmelee 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4分 前 (0子コメント)
Not happening
[–]JonahTargaryen 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (2子コメント)
what was prize money?
[–]kaabistar 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 49分 前 (1子コメント)
We don't have exact numbers, but it's over $7500. (483 entrants*$10 + $3000 pot bonus)
[–]Krumpberry 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 39分 前 (0子コメント)
HOLY SHIT!
[–]Liimbo 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間 前 (33子コメント)
Armada, Leffen, and PPMD (in no order) are the top 3 in the world right now imo. Mango has been a buster a little too often this year so far.
[–]buttsoupjets 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 4時間 前 (10子コメント)
He won Press Start and placed better than Leffen at I'm Not Yelling, and placed in the same place with Leffen at Sandstorm.
Apply the same criteria to Leffen that you do Mango, and you wouldn't say such silly things
[–]unchartedcubes 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
To be frank, everyone played like trash at Press Start.
[+]Liimbo スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13ポイント-12ポイント-11ポイント 4時間 前 (8子コメント)
Yeah, how silly of me to think Leffen is top 3, guy sucks.
[–]buttsoupjets 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 4時間 前 (6子コメント)
No, it's silly to trash on Mango for being a "buster" when Leffen has been worse.
[–]Liimbo -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 4時間 前 (5子コメント)
He hasn't been worse though. Press Start and Sandstorm he under-performed, but that was really it. He outplaced Mango at Apex, beat him and won Beast and CEO, has been the only player consistently pulling out wins on Armada, overall this year he has been more consistent than Mango. He lost to him at BAM in that one few week stretch where Mango looked like Mango again, but other than that Mango has been under-performing. Leffen only had a few weeks of under-performing and Mango only had a few weeks of actually performing up to par.
[–]MyLifeForKFC 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
tbh i dont think mango is underperforming, i think other players are getting better. he's not getting away with silly stuff anymore lol
[–]samurairocketshark 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (3子コメント)
CEO is Leffen's first win against Armada since Paragon. Armada has dominated both Mango and Leffen so that argument is irrelevant. Mango is a clean 4-2 against Leffen in sets this year and has outplaced him at a majority of tournaments in addition to having more wins over the top 6
Now there's a knowledge bomb.
[–]Dmaster120 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (1子コメント)
outplaced him at a majority of tournaments
This year? Not really true.
Mango outplaced Leffen at INY and Press Start (BAM7 if you count that too)
Leffen outplaced Mango at Beast V, Apex and CEO. So, at the bigger tournaments at least, Leffen has outplaced Mango. Otherwise its even and only favorable for Mango in the head to head.
[–]samurairocketshark 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
I was more referring to tournaments in the last couple months. I included Leffen's 2 set wins, but really Mango has dominated him in sets in the last few months.
[–]Derpspecops -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
What is your best placement?
[–]Shwagzamaxima 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 5時間 前 (11子コメント)
You can't count PP. He attended one tournament. If Mango attended one tournament and won (let's say, EVO), would you say that he's amazing? Come on. Don't be biased.
[–]neros_neurosis 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 5時間 前 (1子コメント)
Dude, PP won the only tournament this year to have all the top six. He beat Armada twice (pretty unarguably best in the world) and Leffen once (arguably second or third best). There's no way he's not top three.
[–]Jofzar_ 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
To play devil's advocate here, the tourney he entered was the only one with top six because he entered.
[–]Liimbo 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 5時間 前 (1子コメント)
If Mango had only entered a supermajor like Evo/Apex and won, then yes I would count him, but he didn't. He has lost a few tournaments he was expected to win (including Mayhem, a local. Albeit a stacked local, but he was still expected to win), or at least get 2nd. With his performance so far this year I can't put him top 3, and PP is the only other player I really can. And bias? Lol, Mango is my favorite player, I am just being realistic and not basing this off of legacy. I do still think he has the highest level of play in the world when he's on, but he hasn't been on very much recently.
[–]FirePuff12 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 26分 前 (0子コメント)
He did get 2nd at Mayhem
[–]itsNick_ 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 50分 前 (0子コメント)
I don't understand this argument at all and people keep bringing it up. If a golfer shows up to the Masters and wins he doesn't have to play anything else to at least be mentioned with the top of the current scene. It would be different if people tried to pin him as the definitive #1 but they aren't.
[–]needuhLee 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間 前* (1子コメント)
Yes, I would say he's amazing if his level of play impressed me.
PP entered APEX and absolutely wrecked. Until he shows otherwise, I'm going to assume that he's still that good or better, even if he doesn't enter other tournaments.
Though, your comment seems to be saying two different things. I agree with you that I wouldn't include him in a current top 3 in the world since he hasn't entered in a while. But I would still say that he's amazing.
[–]samurairocketshark 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
He didn't absolutely wreck at all. Leffen took him to last game last hit. PPU and S2J took him to last game. He almost lost to Reno. He dropped a set to Armada. It was an amazing achievement that he won, but he certainly didn't wreck. Even his 3-0 against Armada had every game go to last stock.
[–]Tuna-kid -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 3時間 前 (3子コメント)
PP went undefeated and almost didn't drop any games. He didn't just 'attend one tournament and win'.
[–]TurdSandwich252 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
He lost a set to armada in grand finals and it reset. He lost many games on his way there also, just clutched out the set
[–]Hariooo 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 59分 前 (0子コメント)
he dropped like at least ~8 games at Apex =\
[–]Coolthulu 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 21分 前 (0子コメント)
You're probably thinking of Apex 2014, where PPMD looked really dominant.
[–]samurairocketshark 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間 前 (2子コメント)
Talk about recency bias. Mango is 4-0 against Leffen in their last 4 sets. He also almost beat Armada at INY as well. Also you can't rank PPMD top 3 if he hasn't been to anything in the last six months. Our means of ranking should encourage players to got to more tournaments, not just the ones that they win. That's like awarding a sports player 3rd place in the MVP race after being injured for 3/4 of the season
[–]Liimbo -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
Recency bias when I clearly stated RIGHT NOW the top 3? Of course that will weigh recent tournaments more heavily lol.
[–]samurairocketshark 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
To be fair, Mango has outplaced and/or outplayed Leffen at every tournament since Apex. One tournament win doesn't put Mango at 4th suddenly. I was arguing the against the buster argument when Leffen has been way more of a Buster this year than Mango. Also PPMD shouldn't be top 3 in the world right now when he's attended 1 tournament since Evo 2014 even if he won it
[–]TwitOne 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 22分 前 (0子コメント)
after reading this thread I actually thought I was browsing /r/smashbros
[–]gf2tw -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 5時間 前 (5子コメント)
lmao not even 2 days ago everyone was saying "oh man the top 3 is definitely mango armada PPMd with leffen m2k hbox in the second tier."
[–]HT_F8 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well yeah opinions tend to change as majors happen... lol. That's kinda how it works.
[–]syc06 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 4時間 前 (2子コメント)
Well leffen did just win a major but I agree, people draw conclusions way too fast. Hbox struggles a bit and immediately people count him out. Same with mango. Leffen and armada get hot and all of a sudden they're unbeatable. And I love PP but c'mon you really can't draw many conclusions for him. I think the top 10 or so of melee is becoming much less predictable and people are putting too much weight on streaks. Three months from now I bet everyone will have completely different opinions.
[–]buttsoupjets 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間 前 (1子コメント)
They'll have different opinions, but PPMD has won 3 of the last 5 nationals/majors/super-majors he's entered.
[–]ItsNotMineISwear 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
And the two that he didn't win were MLG and Evo ;)
[–]Liimbo -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
I haven't said that once this year lol. But since I am also on reddit I clearly share the same opinion as every other redditor right?
[–]HallowedBeThyBrain 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7分 前 (0子コメント)
Came back from vacation, avoided Reddit and Twitter, finished VODS. Good shit Leffen, and good tournament. I'm really happy Leffen won, and surprised. I would've bet all the money in my wallet on Armada winning. FC next weekend should be interesting.
[–]Ribo19 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 4時間 前 (4子コメント)
Leffen is sooooooooo good it's insane. But am I the only one who thought Armada kinda choked, there was much less consistency then we're used to from him
[–]syc06 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 3時間 前 (1子コメント)
Honestly I think everyone kinda choked this tourny. Props to leffen of course but the top 8 looked full of people performing worse than their best. I think shroomed and leffen are really the only ones that was on par with what's expected of them. Plup possibly, too.
[–]mysticslash 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 46分 前 (0子コメント)
Plup was not playing as well as he usually does but this is likely due to the high stakes environment (he hasn't played this extremely hard, reaction based sheik game 5 against someone like Mango at a major before)
[–]samurairocketshark 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
It seemed like Armada choked because it looks like Leffen studied his habits and Armada really had no answer because his fox uses a fairly one-dimensional approach (doesn't mean that it's bad, just that Armada has a hard time adapting when he gets outplayed in neutral)
[–]gibisee4 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 57分 前 (0子コメント)
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS THIS! You can even go on youtube and watch Leffen analyze some of Mango-Armada's sets. Armada kept on going unpunished for his full-hop nairs in that set, and it looked like Leffen was at least shutting that down today. I really think he studied Armada.
[+]beto7299 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Leffen god confirmed
[–]jumbowumbo -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't think the era of the Gods is over, i just like to think of Leffen as the God-killer. Bring on that change.
[+]Dublshine スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 5時間 前 (5子コメント)
It's hard to argue westballz isn't top 5 or 6 in the world.
[–]Habefiet 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's actually really easy
There are six or more players that have done better than Westballz in terms of aggregate results in recent months
There
He's certainly in that 7th-8th range but the Top 6 are still set in stone at the moment, M2K hasn't done bad enough yet to really drop out of the tippy top
[–]white015 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think 6th is pretty reasonable. I dont know that I'd put him over hbox though
He lost to kels tho kappa
[–]reese_ridley -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
given how M2K's been lately, I say he's a solid 6th
[–]needuhLee -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Sleeping on AZ tho
Also M2K isn't -that- bad yet (or at least I don't think so, I haven't seen him play in forever)
π Rendered by PID 2929 on app-138 at 2015-06-29 01:25:05.310845+00:00 running b31b74f country code: JP.
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