[SocJus] Do SJWs even realize they are awakening a monster that is the neo-Nazi/authoritarian right? It's not a coincidence that those groups have experienced a huge resurgence and revitalization.

landiongames · 22時間前

the more they push to extreme left, the more ordinary people who see trough the bullshit will start to ever more lean to the right, that includes the far right

analpumping · 21時間前

What you need to remember is that the "social justice" movement is made up overwhelmingly of wealthy white kids. Sure, they like to pretend online that they're totally marginalized people, but in real life? This is what they look like.

So, understanding who they are, try to see it from their perspective. Say they do trigger a resurgence of the radical right. Say it leads to horrible places; we have race wars, people are murdered for nothing more than the color of their skin, et cetera. It's no skin off their asses - they get to hide inside their gated communities, perfectly safe from the shitstorm they created. If anything, it actually helps them. They get to point to the violence they inspired as proof that they were right all along.

That's my view of perversion that calls itself the social justice movement, at least. A bunch of spoiled children, bravely putting vulnerable people in danger in order to feel morally superior.

Bob9999999999999 · 20時間前

SJWs are so far to the left that they think the center-right is the far-right. It's difficult to convince someone that their actions are helping actual neo-Nazis gain power when they believe that actual neo-Nazis are already in power anyway.

Storthos · 17時間前

That was one of my points early on - by intentionally mischaracterizing GamerGate as being composed of misogynists/racists/neo-nazis/whatever, you are implicitly telling people that those viewpoints are more popular and socially acceptable than they are. You're telling the closet bigot, the kid on the fence just gaining political awareness, that these are popular, widespread ideas. By trying to get a cheap political win by dumping every awful name you can think of on your political opponents, you are actively doing harm to the cause of equality and tolerance.

That said, the growing indistinguishability of the far left and the far right has been troubling to say the least. I remember, when the world went mad with hate and fear after 9/11, the right making the case that the threat of terrorism was TOO GREAT to rely on due process, that free speech needed to have limits in order to protect us from extremists. Now, the same people who decried those very excesses now say that the threat of rape is TOO GREAT to rely on due process, that free speech needs to have limits in order to protect us from extremists.

I point out to these people, some of them close personal friends, that they are advocating the same things they were decrying a little over a decade ago, and they tell me that the difference is that they are right - the only difference between us and our enemies are targets, not tactics.

This new rise of the authoritarian, unliberal left has left me more than a little shaken - I've watched tribal madness overtake people I once thought reasonable, and the scope of acceptable political thought increasingly skew towards the extreme while obfuscating the median. I don't have much more to say other than that the proliferation of the extreme right and extreme left deeply, truly, frightens me.

CaptainLhurgoyf · 21時間前

A neo-Nazi can provide the seemingly perfect alternative to all of this guilt tripping from SJWs by going, "Are you sick and tired of being told you're a monster because of your race? We offer a better avenue for you by giving you an environment where you can feel proud of your heritage and not be shamed." (Because let's be honest, virtually nobody wants to become a neo-Nazi if they are directly asked that question.)

This very nearly happened to me. I had been exposed to SJWs for so long I started looking into neo-Nazi resources and following neo-Nazi blogs, largely for that exact same reason: I wanted to find a place where I felt like I didn't need to hate myself for being white, and I felt that if the SJWs wouldn't see me as anything but a racist I might as well be one. Thankfully, I managed to see later how dangerous what I was getting involved with was and I snapped out of it quickly. But from my own experiences? I'd say this scenario is very plausible.

Zerael · 22時間前

[SocJus] Do SJWs even realize they are awakening...

Of course they don't. But they are.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/11/why-censoring-speech-creates-extremists-and-causes-atrocities-instead-of-stopping-them/

http://thoughtcatalog.com/joshua-goldberg/2014/12/when-social-justice-warriors-attack-one-tumblr-users-experience/

J2383 · 16時間前

TL;DR: I don't think we're necessarily becoming more authoritarian, I think maybe we're culturally getting fed up with authoritarianism and as such shining the spotlight onto all instances of it. We live in exciting times, and there are people out there working to build tools so nobody has to ask permission for the freedom of speech or privacy again.

TL;DR:TL;DR: TW:Meandering Libertarian ramblings.

As a libertarian, it saddens me to see the West become more and more authoritarian

I think that the wide left to right spread of the people within Gamergate shows that left to right isn't nearly as divisive as the authoritarian to libertarian(as in liberty, not the Libertarian party itself...I'll use anti-authoritarian to prevent confusion). In the past, because the primary social issues being pushed by the left were for the removal of restrictions, the primary pushback was from the authoritarian right. Now we're seeing a complete reversal of that with the authoritarian left attempting to force social controls but in the case of Gamergate unlike before it's not just the anti-authoritarians on the right who are calling bullshit it's the anti-authoritarians on both sides.

As a Libertarian I think that recent events indicate the possibility that public opinion is shifting away from authoritarianism. The most prominent example that springs to mind is how wildly successful Protein World was after telling the offended to fuck off. Even two years ago that would have been unimaginable for a corporation to do. There are numerous groups and movements looking to expand freedom, institutional transparency, and meritocracy over progressive stack or anything like it. I have no data to back this up, but in my experience the tech industry tends to lean pretty strongly libertarian; hardly a week goes by where some mediocre writer isn't complaining about the toxic Libertarian culture of meritocracy that plagues the tech industry; and nerds tend to go Libertarian in a way that does not require anyone else's permission. You have various open source cryptography projects with things like Bitcoin, Tor, the strong encryption tools that are provably secure and also provably not NSA tainted, and the like. Rather than ask nicely for freedoms, they're actively creating means of taking them regardless of what anyone says or does. Then you have folks like Michael "I don't understand that this is what they were aiming for" Steinbach saying that encryption makes it hard for the FBI to intercept communications so everyone cut that out because the FBI is only ever going to intercept communications lawfully so it's totally cool you guys(maybe just the tip).

I'm not saying that the anti-authoritarian side will ever fully win or even have a controlling share, but I think we live in a very exciting time where the average person is plunged into a position of being forced to understand the chilling effects more authoritarian policies can have. I think the only reason the Snowden leaks didn't cause rioting in the streets was the fact that they were presented in a dry, technologically dense way that most people didn't understand well enough to see the horrors within(John Oliver's interview with Snowden covered this beautifully).

ggthxnore · 22時間前

You are assuming that they'd consider more neo-Nazis a bad thing.

The more prominent actual neo-Nazis become the more credence a "you guys are neo-Nazis!" smear has. The same way you say SJWs are the best thing neo-Nazis could ask for, they serve the same purpose for the SJWs.

A resurgence of extreme right authoritarianism means one thing: donate to my Patreon.

its_never_lupus · 22時間前

It wouldn't bother them in the slightest. Socjus bullies are not nice people and they're not trying to help the world.

Camhed · 21時間前

Nazis and SJWs both agree whites are superior. The difference is the former believes this is natural and healthy and the latter believes it is arbitrarily achieved through oppression. They share almost everything as far as ideology goes; it's just one is right wing and one is left wing.

What this means is that all it takes is one logical step to switch from an SJW to a Nazi or vice versa. This is the belief that the current state of things is natural rather than the result of oppression.

65117520180 · 17時間前

This can only lead to good things. Many normal moderates fought for Franco's side in the Spanish Civil War after the left showed their true colours

cheat-master30 · 17時間前

You are 100% spot on with this point. The extreme left encourages the extreme right and vice versa, and there's a definite chance that all the crap in the media and from SJWs and holier than though politicians (in the UK, quite a few seem to blame 'racism' for ANYTHING even remotely against their agenda) will just encourage the rise of another Nazi party or other extremist group. The example of UKIP is a perfect one here.

However, I'm also personally scared of another worrying possibility; that the GamerGate war in general will encourage said neo nazis to try and co opt the gaming community to their own political views.

I mean, let's face it. The extreme left are already doing that. They're called pretty much the entire gaming press. And it would be very easy for the other side to come in, 'support' GamerGate and our movements and then gradually try and encourage people to start believing in their (also) rather horrible political and social views. If I was lobbying or marketing for UKIP, all this stuff would make the gaming world perfect place to try and reach out to younger voters.

I also suspect that to some degree, some of the SJWs might be trying to distract people from seeing the real issues in the world and doing anything about them. Every minute where people argue over pointless gender ratios and representation in fictional media is time they're not looking at the problems in the real world after all. Maybe a bit conspiracy like, but it's at least possible. Block real political change by distracting people with arguments about stuff on the internet.

aceofspades14 · 15時間前

This is very true. I think SJWs and the rest of the authoritarian left are going to regret their bullying and silencing tactics. Nothing good ever comes of abandoning rule of law in favor of rule of force, and the far left has spent decades demonizing the right...unfortunately, the left in the media and even government are so far left even Stalin himself appears to be to the right of them, and the moderate left is getting a taste of their vitriol. I'm a right wing libertarian, and I see real liberals, non PC crazy liberals, get the same shame and silence treatment as myself and others on the right.

What we have, with GamerGate, and Sad Puppies, and every fandom or business that doesn't espouse social justice and finds itself a target of SJWs, is a despised minority (that is really no minority at all) is the target of an establishment that considers this "minority" unworthy of respect, unworthy of rights, and unworthy of having a say in the way they can live their lives and enjoy their pursuits. It’s an establishment that has one law for itself, and another for its enemies. It’s an establishment that inflicts an ever-increasing series of petty humiliations on its opponents and considers this all hilarious.

That’s a recipe for disaster. You cannot expect to change the status quo for yourself and then expect those you victimize not to play by the new rules you have created.

Most people have principles and would not dream of becoming violent or espousing radical extremes, but human nature favors payback. When you block all normal means of dissent, whether by ignoring your opponents or using the media to mock and abuse them, you build up the pressure. The number of people SJWs despise and abuse continues to grow, they keep pissing people off, and their list of targets expands. More anger and more frustration. If they continue to silence people, there is going to be a backlash. Each action, after all, has an equal and opposite reaction. Of course, they will never realize this until it is too late. It's downright scary.

AFCSentinel · 21時間前

Yup, spot on. Which is why so many on the "moderate" left (actually still far left but not left enough for the SJWs) are so worried about this whole identity politics schtick. It's distracting from the issues that are really of concern to working class people regardless of race, gender etc. while making the left look like loonies to the general public that are then looking towards people that are talking the talk I.e. moderate right/far right groups and parties. We are still recovering from a financial catatrophe of epic proportions and even though we have battles through recession various austerity policies are still in play. The very last the typical target group of leftist parties wants to hear is how "privileged" they are, despite being among the hardest hit by the recession and the necessary laws etc. to affect recovery.

HammableOfCarthage · 20時間前

I fear we may be living in dangerous times with the lunatic fringe becoming more viable.

SpencersCJ · 17時間前

The more insane you make the left look the more plausible you make the right look. And vice versa, this can only get worse

ev1lb1t · 13時間前

A huge line that the white supremacist movement has been spouting for the past 40 years is how the white race is being persecuted and is under attack.

In the past 10 years, the SJW's have transformed this laughable soundbyte into a frightening reality.

This has given them a foot in the door of political discourse which sane people spent 25 years carefully closing.

Fuck SJWs for helping actual white supremacists gain ground.

DanteFTW · 21時間前

so we're in a Hulk-Buster situation (beat them within a time limit, before things turn ugly)

HelloCMDR · 9時間前

It's funny, actually. It would be quite easy to turn the far left into the far right under the guise of ending the tyranny of the majority. The whole Stormfront or SJW thing isn't just a catchy meme. It should be a warning to the far left of just how convergent upon Neo-Nazism they have become.

Take the arguments of the far left:

The ending of a privileged class
The redistribution of wealth to the 'deserving'
Reparations for past plights and slights
Safe spaces for the 'good people'
Casual slights and normalization of abuse against a 'powerful lobby'
Said slights are supported by its populace because they are not in a position of power and it is rebalancing the social dynamics of the underclass
There is both guilt by association and blood, combined with the genetic fallacy
Said powerful lobby is both hopelessly incompetent and massively hegemonic
Frequent lies and mis-truths spread as fact
Extremists call for murder, arson and genocide
Moderates call for "control" and "rehabilitation"
Critics are said to be standing in the way of social progress

It would be stunningly easy to turn far left social justice into far right mob justice. All you really need is a suitable flash point. You could quite easily replace "the patriarchy" and "men" with "international Jewry" without changing a single one of the above arguments.

JustABaku · 22時間前

No because then it will only justify their existence. They will bitch, yell and be unreasonable and label everyone a monster until these people say 'fuck it' and start 'accepting it' since, like you said...one can only be fed white guilt and male guilt so much until they snap. Then when the monster wake they can go SEE I TOLD YOU IT WAS THE NEO-ISIS-GOOBLER-NAZIS KKK!

Rygar_the_Beast · 22時間前

Well, the SJWs think GG are all right leaning so i dont think they know that they are actually bringing the right into this mess. They think they have been fighting the right from the start.

Aurondarklord · 19時間前

SJWs and the extreme right are just reflections of each other. Same basic concept, they just want to put different groups in power at the top of their rigid authoritarian pecking order. For a while now I've been predicting a fundamental shift in western politics, where the traditional left vs right dichotomy gets phased out in favor of an authoritarian vs libertarian one.

Fenrir007 · 16時間前

When you claim a group of normal people like gamers are neo-nazis, for example, I'd say you give actual neo-nazis a new measuring stick that would bring them much closer to normal people as a consequence.

In other words, if we become the benchmark for neo-nazis, this will be a great PR boost for actual neo-nazis. And this is bad for everyone, us and SJWs alike.

jernd · 19時間前

Why are you more scared of Nazis (supposedly killed 6 million Jews) than of Marxists (killed over 100 million people)? Ask yourself this question. Try to realize that the Marxists are all over our institutions and SJWs are just their "Hitler youth."

BigTimStrange · 19時間前

To be fair, the right is trying to pull people to their side by painting SJWs as the Left as a whole. It's a vicious cycle I wish there was a clear way to break.

What really worries me though, is that this extremism isn't a problem, it's a symptom.

The more our brains perceive our survival is threatened, the more extreme we become. During the Depression, lynchings shot up. When Greece faltered, nazism grew. Germany was in a sad state of affairs when it embraced Hitler etc.

Extremist views are cropping up on a global scale. The whole world's going mad and I fear the worst is yet to come.

Pinworm45 · 18時間前

I think most of them are fine with that. They can't fight a war with no enemies, and they can't profit as victims of harassment with no one to call them fucking retards on twitter.

But yes, from a pragmatic perspective, they aren't the brightest bulbs. They seem to do more damage to their cause than anything. I mean, I'm an enemy of theirs now. I consider myself an anti-feminist. And I'm an Egalitarian who doesn't even think the government should have a legal basis to determine between sex, orientation, whatever. Kind of like an establishment clause for people.

I'm someone that by all rights should be on their side. I share the goals they claim to have. Yet I consider them probably my largest enemy right now.

Maybe they don't give a shit about me. But the simple fact is, I could have been an ally, now I am an enemy. I doubt I'm the only one.

Something has gone wrong on this opposite side. I don't really think that makes neo nazi's correct now, though, but I wouldn't doubt they're increasing the number of people in hate groups.

I just think they're probably fine with that since it helps their causes. At least their leaders. If there is no serious racial issues, they have no point in existing, and the entire life is a lie. So they have to make some. No doubt. Replace race with sex or being a fat fuck or whatever else.

ceyen · 21時間前

They're to narcissistic to address the problems they're causing. With Obama wanting to out members of the KKK and that Tennessee mayor wanting to dig up that Confederate general, cracking down on hate groups like the Klan and messing with Confederates will only empower them and get them more pissed.

BobMugabe35 · 19時間前

They think everyone's already just authoritarian/racist/sexist/etc and that any of that that pops up as they're off dicking around is just them doing a good job of "exposing" it.

MM985 · 18時間前

I don't know political theory, or if there's a term/theory for it. But I call it the pendulum. And it reacts over time. We see shifts in perceptions sometimes quickly - usually very slowly.

The hyper sensitive political correctness of the past? The 'Think of the children!' And 'Family Values!' Schmucks clutching at their pearls in terror?

People got sick of that shit and it eventually fueled some great comedy that poked fun and bucked the pc police with a good spit in their eye. People got sick of it, and they reacted.

The same thing is happening now. And I can only hope that standing up to today's brand of moral Puritanism can continue to gain steam.

I think the reason SJ brand of authoritarianism has been as successful as it has is because they cloak it with 'protected' groups. Not in that it's illegal, but socially faux pas or complete suicide career wise to criticize or speak out against the hive mind. Coupled with the self assured zealotry being spoon fed in academia that this is right, this is justice, this is progressive.

I honestly have avoided openly discussing GamerGate in person or on social media except for calculated pieces I know can share, or if I know im going to get flak - do my homework to shoot down any tantrums and be at my most collected and unemotional.

I'm an overweight white guy who's reserved and admittedly a bit naive and socially oblivious. I'm not some cringe inducing fedora beard but there's enough there for some people to completely dismiss anything I have to say because I need to 'check my privilege' - Because the idea that I trust my own intelligence and form my own conclusions and opinions for a reason is completely fucking alien to these people.

But yeah, to get back on topic. I worry about it too. Specifically in the USA, I see Dems and people on the left use stupid bullshit from the right to vindicate and justify equally absurd ideas from the left.

Herr_Rambler · 20時間前

It is easy to spout the "There are no bad tactics, only bad targets" line when you are attacking others.

The authoritarian right tends to get physical when they attack. Not to mention they tend to have combat experience and know how to shoot a gun. Currently, the authoritarian left tends to pull fire alarms, scream, call names and rant on Tumblr. This is why the authoritarian right (In my opinion) is more dangerous. At least the authoritarian left does not maim and kill people. Yet...

iamoverrated · 17時間前

Nazis are leftist, not right-wing... it's in their name, "National Socialists".

JohnGalt316 · 17時間前

remember when the left was the side of logic and reason?

sjws are the Bible Thumpers of the left, but a lot less likeable

YetAnotherCommenter · 15時間前

People have a tendency to coalesce around their identity groups when they feel their identity is being attacked.

A sense of being victimized is necessary to generate a sense of "us" against "them." The Nazis imagined that Germans were an Oppressed Class, victims of international Jewry. Gay culture, particularly in the US, was formed in the context of being stigmatized, outcast, pathologized, criminalized etc. Nerd culture is itself based on a narrative of oppression, of feeling like a failure due to not being one of the jocks or the 'beautiful people' and of being bullied relentlessly. African-American culture cannot be understood without reference to slavery, urban poverty, and Jim Crow.

SJWs go on about the monstrous evils of CHAWMs (Cisgender, Heterosexual, Ablebodied White Males) over and over again. They treat rape as innate within males. They love mocking and ridiculing, they love their "male tears" mugs, they treat racism as the Original Sin of all whites and they constantly exploit white guilt and go on about privilege and the like...

They also happen to be directly influential on policy - the feminist lobby is responsible for a lot of child support/alimony law, and also Title IX and how that's used on campuses. They're gaining ground in their influence upon culture.

Is it any surprise that they are driving people into white nationalist movements? Absolutely not!

Look at how the Christian Right are reacting to the gay marriage decision; they're going on about how Christianity itself is being attacked and nearly on the verge of being criminalized (!). People rally around their identities when they believe those identities are subject to persecution.

As a libertarian, it saddens me to see the West become more and more authoritarian.

As a fellow libertarian, I agree. But I guess this is probably due to something in libertarianism itself; libertarianism is about individuals, not demographic categories. The ideology sees identity groups like race, creed, nation, class etc. as politically irrelevant. As such, whilst it opposes any form of discrimination based on such group, it doesn't offer any affirmation on an identity-based level.

This probably helps explain why attacks on identity rarely make people drift more libertarian and instead incline towards identity-based authoritarianism... because there's no such thing as identity-based individualism (that's a contradiction in terms).

SnatchTease · 14時間前

according to the front page, sjw's are bringing all sorts, normal people included out of the woodworks to call them out on being tardmuffins.

Akesgeroth · 13時間前

When it comes to the "greater" fight, I've pretty much given up trying to avoid a war. I still believe in Gamergate simply because, as they say, "It's just video games". But when it comes to laws, to corporations, to wars... The world leaders are out for blood and nothing will stop them. The one thing that could stop them is the people, and the people are swallowing propaganda by the shovefuls.

internetideamachine · 11時間前

You'd think that maybe they would notice with the whole Conservative Party winning the majority in the UK...

HatredsBlazingGun · 8時間前

I for one welcome our new Nazi overlords.

noretus · 7時間前

Yeah this is something that I'm genuinely worried about. Western society has absolutely taken leaps towards a better, fairer and more equal society but SJW aggression and behavior makes you think we still live in the dark ages. It's only to be expected that that kind of vileness is met with equal vileness from the polar opposite.

I'm afraid that far right still has more pull with humankind since it feeds off our worst vices and benefits from the promise of short-term rewards. The far left is more arbitrary.

Kinbaku_enthusiast · 7時間前

And that for a while will only serve to push their agenda. The enemy of an extremist is not their ideological opponent. The true enemy of an extremist is a moderate.

Inuma · 6時間前

Fucking Xist, I gotta talk about this...

Working on my political history post first, then feminism, then "Left vs Right" politics in America...

legitimateusername4 · 6時間前

They don't care. It's all about jockeying for status amongst their toxic little cliques.

I say this as someone who was center left but who has been pushed to the center right by my loathing of these clowns.

General_Urist · 6時間前

I once identified as a member of the extreme left, but that was back when "extreme left" still meant "guillotine the capitalists and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat", not all this "cis white mails are scum that must know their place" B.S. worse yet is that you can go onto leftist subs and criticism the former, but the moment you even doubt that latter, you get banned. By this point the left seams to be more of a vehicle for SOCJUS ideology than proletarian revolution. u/DavidByron2 once said the following on r/MensRights:

I think it's a good litmus test for a feminist false flag operation. Do they ban critics of feminism but not critics of whatever the sub is pretending to be about?

Which seems to apply to a frightening amount of places. A list that far-right organizations are usually absent from. One wonders how many people flock to the far right just because they can freely criticize SOCJUS ideology there.

By this point, horseshoe theory has resulted in both the far right and far left making distinctions based on race/gender/sexuality. The difference is that one tells white males to be ashamed of their biology, the other tells them to be proud of it. and with the SOCJUS seeming to swamp everything, it's easy to see how the far right could seem like the only option.

Dwavenhobble · 5時間前

Well I have real fun with this when someone tells me to check my privilege.

I'm white but according to genetics I'm descended from Black Carribean's and for those genetics to be the way they are it means at least one of my ancestors was a Pirate. On the other side of my family it was mostly sheep rustlers. Its great it means if anyone does try to tell me I owe reparations or anything like that for being white I can turn round and point out there's probably a very high chance I'm white and would be owed reparations by someone.

It seems for many SJW History is not History and everyone is responsible for all the crimes of their ancestors with no possible limit until what they see as justice has been extracted.

corruptigon2 · 4時間前

They are not aware and at this point I'm happy, they are two faces of the same medal, let them destroy each other.

jubbergun · 16時間前

I would hope that most people would have enough sense to awaken to the dangers the authoritarian left represents without jumping into the arms of neo-Nazis and/or white supremacist groups. I don't really see that happening anywhere.

What you're seeing with far-right parties in Europe isn't a backlash against SJWs in particular, but the extreme left in general. Many Europeans have finally become aware of the flaws in some socialist policies and want some changes in governance, which is what led to Cameron's ascension to PM and austerity measures in the UK. Some Europeans are rightly concerned that certain immigrant groups are resisting assimilation into the larger culture. I'm sure there is a certain degree of xenophobia inherent in that reaction, but there's a large difference between being a bit put off by your neighbors unusual (to you) habits and the response to such issues as the Rotherham pedophile abuse, the Charlie Hebdo shootings, and/or the Paris riots. They expect their governments to defend the national culture, encourage assimilation into the same, and either deport dangerous immigrants are bar their entry. None of these are unreasonable concerns or expectations until they're taken to extremes.

If you're old enough to remember the late 70s and early 80s, or you've extensively studied the political landscape of the time, you'll realize that Reagan's presidential wins had nothing to do with a backlash against the left. Many of the states and even electoral districts that voted him into the presidency continued to elect democrats to the house and senate. He never had a friendly congress either of his two terms, yet unlike a certain current president, he was able to get large parts of his agenda passed by actually talking to and working with the other party. He and then Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill cooperated despite their differences, and when tarring and feathering Reagan for being a successful conservative politician eventually goes out of fashion, the era will be looked upon as a golden age of American politics.

In short, I think you misunderstand the political history of the 1980s and are unduly worried that many people will be swept up into the arms of reprobates in their fervor to combat the authoritarian left.

Spokker · 19時間前

I don't buy this, and even if it were true, group X speaking their mind is not responsible for group Y and their activities, as long as group X's speech was otherwise non-violent, in my opinion.

I would think SJW rhetoric would cause some people to become more anti-political correctness, not full fucking neo-Nazi.

quanadian · 17時間前

I see what you mean, but I think right-wing hate groups primarily come from the "immigrants are taking are jobs and are raping our women" mentality.

SteadyFrunkin · 17時間前

Of course they realize it. Their whole purpose is divisiveness. Look at anything they do. Then ask how it helps foster positive relations between people. It never does. It always falls into two categories, playing the victim or placing blame. You think they hype anything even resembling a race issue to REDUCE racism? Hell no. And the Charleston shooting was their crowning moment after years of identity politics and fanning the flames of hatred through constant race baiting and propaganda. An actual, legit, racism motivated murder (by a white person, finally) was committed after years of having to play pretend. The left is going to be jerking themselves off over Charleston for months. Why would they ever want to discourage the perfect scapegoat to limit people's rights and freedoms? Racism/sexism to the left is what terrorism was to the right. An excuse to grab power and exert authority over people.

Flyingfire · 20時間前

national SOCIALISTS are in no way for a small state, hence not right wing.

I mean FFS they came up with universal healthcare, gun control and pretty much all the neo-liberal(soft socialism) economics of controling the demand rather than the offer which is largely used by the left of today.

videogameboss · 22時間前

they "realize" it in the same sense that they realize eating piles of twinkies, ding dongs, and ho hos is going to kill them. it's somewhere in the back of their mind but the temptation to be a cunt is too much for them to resist.

ProfNekko · 19時間前

Newton's third law does apply to politics as well... Didn't anyone ever tell them that?

GlutinousRice · 16時間前

I went from Anarchism to Feodalism. Does that count as far-right?

Webringtheshake · 17時間前

Yeah I've thought the same for a while. A sure way to push someone into the far right who's teetering on the edge is to scream at them for every microaggression.

It's a bit like one of these: https://youtu.be/MMA6JIv1CZk?t=22s

Put a Bahar Mustapha in the top, and see how many get pushed over the edge.

Agkistro13 · 14時間前

So are you calling Reagan and Thatcher neo-Nazi, or just regular right-authoritarians? I for one don't think a resurgence of people with ideas like theirs running the show is going to be 'far worse than what anyone could imagine', but what do I know, I was actually alive when they were in power.

But yeah, you're right. The authoritarian-left is certainly pushing people to want something else. GOOD.

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