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r/EnoughLibertarianSpam mods Stalin-purge the Socialists from its ranks; Naturally they're not pleased (self.SubredditDrama)

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Main thread here, the OP really kicks off the drama given the announcement post is nothing more than a McCarthy gif.

Thus far the mods SixBiscuit and GhostofRFS have been downvoted in every single thread and the post has been linked by SLS.

Despite the mods insisting that the purpose of ELS being to make fun of the politics of Libertarians, they've also set out a policy on left wing politics - not deterred by the fact over 40% of their community identified as a Socialist in their last survey - so I think downvoting is largely organic and homegrown.

Meanwhile GhostofRFS makes it known that American English is the only true English, meanwhile when asked for proof that ELS's main purpose is being subverted by Communist spam and soapboxing, there is none.

SixBiscuit really kicks the hornet's nest by pulling out the human nature argument(There's good /r/badpolitics karma in this for people if they want it).

Masterful troll by moderators or a Red Scare gone wrong?

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[–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) 25ポイント26ポイント  (35子コメント)

40% of your community identified as socialist or anarchist in the last survey.

I'm honestly floored that it's less than half. I would've guessed closer to 75%, with a good chunk of those being communists. I suspect its that "self-identifying" part that's keeping the numbers low. What are they thinking? Do they realize who their users are?

[–]Antigonus1i 9ポイント10ポイント  (33子コメント)

They know who their users are, and don't like it. They are hoping that by doing this all those users leave and start their own sub.

[–]Angadar [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

I just don't understand why they would do this. It's like 2X going default; you had something kinda-decent - why ruin it?

[–]Antigonus1i [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Because the sub wasn't kind of decent. It was filled with leftists starting petty arguments and mass-downvoting anyone that didn't conform to their fringe ideology. Think of the subreddit like a garden. And there is weeds everywhere not allowing the flowers to prosper. Now the gardener is burning shit down, so that they can plant new seeds.

[–]Angadar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If there were masses of petty arguments, I would've been there. I just really never saw the mass downvotes for anyone not communist, the petty arguments between fringe-leftists, or the hidden non-communist gems you're describing.

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Come on now mate.

There were a variety of different ideologies all co-existing and prospering on ELS, all unified in their dislike of libertarianism. Sometimes people would make liberal arguments against libertarianism, sometimes people would make socialist arguments against libertarianism, but I would rarely see aggressive arguments between liberals and socialists. And, at the end of the day, surely the solution towards people disagreeing with socialist arguments would be debating them, and not banning them.

It seems to me the only ones who're starting petty arguments are the mods, dealing with a non-existant problem in a really childish way.

[–]EightRoundsRapid [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

The more rabid idealogues were driving away quite a few people.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

So why not just ban those users and make it clear in the rules that moderation would cover dogmatic ranting and purity test harassment?

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Which is pretty much what most of the criticisms in that thread said.

If you don't want people soapboxing, fair enough. There are plenty of other subreddits dedicated to discussing Marxism.

However, a rule against soapboxing would have to be universal, and not just against Marxists. All the mods did was offer a really vague suggestion that they didn't want Marxist stuff, and when users questioned whether this meant they couldn't criticise libertarianism from a Marxist perspective, at best they were met with really vague answers, and at worst they were met with dank memes.

[–]Antigonus1i [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

But the marxists are the only ones who are posing a problem. The subreddit doesn't have an issue with moderates soapboxing and mass-downvoting anyone they don't agree with.

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

As someone who is fairly active in that sub, I honestly can't remember seeing this massive far-left brigade that you keep talking about. Did the sub have a left wing sland? Definitely. Would people criticise libertarianism from a Marxist point of view? Yeah. Was this a massive problem? I don't really see how.

If you look at where this whole debacle started, it was back in that Uber thread. The prevailing opinion in the thread was that Uber was a bad company because a lot of it's success (in terms of price) stemmed from bad business practises and tax/regulation dodging. One of the mods took exception in a less than polite way, and after about 5 million child comments, another one of the mods blamed this anti-Uber sentiment on commies.

This whole thing seems like more an issue the mods have with the subs left leaning than some sort of Marxist cabal infiltration.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The amount of dogmatic leftists stirring up shit was beginning to be a problem but your metaphor is apt in more ways than you realize. No sane gardener takes a flamethrower to the weeds in their front lawn, they instead spend a few hours weeding, adjusting their fertilizer, re-zoning their garden, etc. ELS is going all-out assault mode on their userbase when a few targeted bans and better moderation policy would fix everything. They are probably going to cripple the further growth and relevance of the sub by choosing this path.

[–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Chauncey Gardner, I presume.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Huh, that sounds like a good movie, with Peter Sellers too? I'm going to watch it when I get my project done.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That looks like a good movie. I'm going to watch it when I get my project done.

[–]Artful_Bodger 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

So ELS is purging the politically unreliable elements...

[–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's an age old hobby of political groups. Debating who's in the group and who's not in the group. Then come the manifesto marathons where the subgroups all read each other out of the party. And so you end up with the subgroups hating each other more than they dislike their actual political opposition.

See Monty Python's PFJ scene in Life of Brian.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberals tend to just find the nearest Freikorps and murder all the radicals before they upset the status quo too much, though. It's usually radicals who engage in factionalism. The ELS liberals are really losing their shit about this... I mean "Marx, a cofounder of sociology, didn't take into account human nature, time to ideology police our sub" is passing for debate there? What the fuck.

[–]Antigonus1i -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would think of it as mass deportation more than a purge. Like how after the Germans were defeated, they were all forcibly removed from the eastern territories.

[–]sweateraficionado🐷🌎 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like Reddit's banning of FPH. They may make up a large, loud portion of your userbase, but do you really want them around? Sure, it generates backlash from the extremist types, but it's probably what's best for the long-term health of the sub. Kudos to /u/GhostofRFS for having the courage to stand up to these radicals.

[–]NinjasantaclauseHas a theoretical degree in shitposting [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Anarcho-social democrat here. I have the honor of being banned from /r/socialism for posting this: Soviet Union Creates a List of 38 Dangerous Rock Bands: Kiss, Pink Floyd, Talking Heads, Village People & More I promise that me and my alt will continue our "no shitting in the sandbox" policy

Anarcho-social democrat here

Anarcho-social democrat

Whaaa

[–]papabattaglia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just wait till you run into an anarcho-monarchist.

[–]thechapattack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's best not to think about it because it will give you an aneurysm.

[–]oaky180 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing an anarcho social Democrat is someone who believes in the democrats policies, only think that it should come about voluntarily.

[–]75000_Tokkul/r/tsunderesharks shill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is like /r/shitrconservativesays mods saying for liberals to stop making fun of all conservatives there. It was made for conservatives to make fun of /r/conservative.

This happens periodically and the majority never agreeds with it.

[–]VelvetElvis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It sounds a bit like Reddit's usual anti-humanities jerk. Anyone who reads political theory and wants to discuss it isn't welcome.

[–]actinorhodin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On one hand, the smugness and unrelated political circlejerking of that userbase really did make what should have been a funny sub a lot less fun, and I can see how the mods might want to do something.

On the other hand, HOLY SHIT could the mods have bungled that any worse than they did.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Well, this is silly. Mods calling out socialists engaging in a little extra edginess is one thing, having a full on McCarthyist breakdown and randomly banning people who are too radical is something even the libertarians wouldn't do.

I mean, the arguments they are making against leftist thought are the kind of arguments libertarians make when they get linked by ELS. I find it hard to believe they aren't trolling but it honestly seems like they're just that stupid about it.

[–]kirjatoukka [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Hardly surprising. Liberals like to mock libertarians for their ridiculous ideology, but when socialists show up and point out that liberalism and libertarianism are in fact just aspects of the same ideology, they feel threatened.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Have you seen this?

https://medium.com/@nmashton/liberalism-in-the-united-states-386f4662d49f

[–]amartz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Interesting read. What irks me - and this seems to happen a lot with socialist political theory - is that it ends up reading like literary critique. (That is, "how can we analyze these events through the lens of Marxist tradition" - basically knowing your ultimate destination before you even set out on the journey.)

The socialist umbrella has created some very compelling policy points, but the political science honestly seems outclassed by mainstream academics, where the bar for research is empirical study (usually through statistical analysis) and a logical analysis. It's like analytic philosophy vs. continental philosophy, with socialist political science representing the latter.

The real issue is probably that self-identifying socialist political scientists probably are "lumped together" with mainstream academics and become just "political scientists that happen to be socialist." The way the public identifies "socialist political scientists" is by the literary critique style of their writing itself.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're definitely not wrong, but a) I think the criticism of that piece in particular is misplaced because it was just a short piece (not a policy post or anything) and illuminating in its own way, and b) nobody is really funding a lot of radical research these days, which hampers it a lot. If you're some guy in favor of fracking, then you can probably find millions to do studies, if you're some guy in favor of abolishing the nation-state and private property, good luck.

[–]ghostofhighena [スコア非表示]  (25子コメント)

it's saddening to see a decent subreddit commit suicide like that. i've had some good laughs from posts there.

it's going to be difficult for els to avoid the stagnation of related subs like /r/enoughpaulspam with half or more of their user base alienated or purged. random bannings like the mods used make a forum unwelcome to anyone, liberal or socialist.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

I feel like the problem is that the liberals who run the sub just enjoy making fun of ideologies they don't understand (or aren't mainstream enough for them); this works out well when it comes to shit like ancaps talking about privatized judges maximizing justice etc, but works out horribly when they bring out the "DAE think human nature invalidates socialism" bullshit.

Honestly, I've seen some pretty off-base attacks on libertarians there too. But it's generally funny.

[–]to_the_buttcave [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the tumblr-mocking subculture. They fall for obvious joke tumblrs, conflate all social issues to the same level as otherkin, and get squirmy and defensive once the tables turn and they're the ones being called out.

[–]ghostofhighena [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

yeah, occasionally i'd see some straight ignorant ideas about right-libertarians there. no one needs that shit, it only makes right-libs look better.

i definitely enjoyed the comedic aspect in that sub even if it got kinda repetitive or petty at times. i mean what are you supposed to say to an ancap who wants to fuck corpses or thinks driver licenses are on the level of rape? some of the shit linked was just absurd honestly.

there's gotta be some balance though. the biting critiques i'd see from some users on right-libs is what gave the subreddit staying power imo. it doesn't look like we're gonna see much of that from els anymore unfortunately.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Personally I do my biting critiques of libertarians on SRD. Bigger audience and folks are generally more easy-going. I like insulting shitty philosophies in a more joyous atmosphere that isn't full of people smacking everyone else with a stick for not following the Party line.

But yeah, ELS is probably going to regret doing this. Whatever, maybe the more laid back socialists that are thrown out will come here instead.

[–]larrylemur[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] SHILLIONAIRE [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Here's the thing. Personally I do my biting critiques of jackdaws on SRD. Bigger audience and folks are generally more easy-upvoting. I like insulting shitty biologists in a more upvoted atmosphere that isn't full of people smacking everyone else with a stick for not following the Crow line.

But yeah, the defaults are probably going to regret doing this. Whatever, maybe the more laid back alt accounts that are thrown out will come here instead.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm kinda seeing the humor here but I'm not sure if it's directed at me or just some random attempt to hijack me with a jackdaw meme.

[–]larrylemur[̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] SHILLIONAIRE [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Your comment sounded copypasta-esque so I decided to give it a whirl. Didn't really work though.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It was not that successful, no.

[–]NinjasantaclauseHas a theoretical degree in shitposting [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

great, more people with agendas coming to SRD

[–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Everyone has an agenda. We can tut and criticize all we want, but the truth is that very few people are completely apathetic about their politics.

[–]NinjasantaclauseHas a theoretical degree in shitposting [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

True, but I don't want to see SRD become the leftist ELS because they all came over here

[–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I mean, there's already a pretty noticeable number of... leftists (I thought that was a derogatory term? I don't know) here. I've seen plenty of socialists and anarchists around. And we almost universally hate libertarians, so there's that.

[–]krabbbyHere's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We don't hate libertarians. They gave the world bitcoin drama. We just think they're ignorant and immature teenagers.

[–]NinjasantaclauseHas a theoretical degree in shitposting [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

yeah, but I'd rather not have srd focus on them over the thousands of other petty arguments on this website.

[–]KiraKira_~(ºヮº~) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I doubt you'll have to worry about that. They've been around for quite a while as it is. I'm sure we'll continue to see more political drama as 2016 draws near, but that's just to be elected expected. We'll still see plenty of the race wars, gender wars, food fights, and general fuckheadishness that we've grown accustomed to.

[–]papabattaglia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For what it's worth this sub seems diverse enough in tastes and content that no single group will take over beyond there being a touch of what the kids are calling sjw-iness generally informing the aesthetic. Like I don't expect to see some post where the premise behind why it's delicious drama is because really Glenn Beck is super friendly and swell but is being mocked. Like this sub obviously has progressive tendencies but I couldn't imagine a pogrom on liberals or on commies working out well here.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can't be worse than Gamergaters and FPHers, can it?

Besides, laid back radicals rarely fuck up a sub like this, and I like not getting shit for being an anarchist anymore. When I first started posting in SRD that happened almost reflexively, now it barely ever comes up.

[–]papabattaglia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah I've seen more comments from the mods actively mocking leftists by basically just calling them stupid for being leftists than I have incoherent lefties spitting off. Really I see both sides being jerks here. This is largely why I bailed on even lurking that sub months ago.

[–]TeeSeventyTwo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Honestly, the environment of leftist politics is pretty toxic, and I can definitely understand keeping it contained in some way or another. You can actually see the toxicity in effect if you visit leftist subreddits, and the ideological rigidity only makes those people even more irritating to deal with. The problem is not just that liberals don't understand the politics, although that's part of it because Marxism is complicated and nuanced. The problem is also partly that socialists cannot fathom that someone could actually understand socialism and still not believe in it. They're a lot like libertarians in that way.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

the environment of leftist politics is pretty toxic

Politics is often toxic in many ways. Leftists can get pretty factional, as chronicled by two centuries of jokes, but if you think they've got something on e.g the Tea Party then you've gotta be joking.

The problem is also partly that socialists cannot fathom that someone could actually understand socialism and still not believe in it.

That's really silly and definitely not true at all, speaking as an anarchist. It's one thing to know that someone has a value system and refuses to believe the logical implications of their beliefs (which is when debating or converting people is most fruitful); it's quite another to refuse to accept that someone has a different value system than you, and have reached that different system's logical conclusions. Many people simply don't share the underlying value systems of socialist thought, and that's OK.

[–]TeeSeventyTwo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Politics is often toxic in many ways. Leftists can get pretty factional, as chronicled by two centuries of jokes, but if you think they've got something on e.g the Tea Party then you've gotta be joking.

Actually the right is well-known for getting along extremely well all the way out to the extremes. Especially the extremes, actually, and especially since the fall of organized fascism, which admittedly also saw a lot of purges. Look up "Roger Griffin" and "Groupuscular Right." Likewise, the Tea Party sits comfortably within the Republican Party, as do libertarians, and they all see a lot of involvement from fringe-right white supremacist organizations. You've got to be joking if you think minor spats within the democratic structure of Congress constitute the same sort of violent political infighting as evidenced in leftist states. The same is not true now or in history for socialists, communists, anarchists, or any other variation of leftist politics. The jokes don't come from nowhere, they come from a century of factionalism, sectarianism, and purges.

That's really silly and definitely not true at all, speaking as an anarchist. It's one thing to know that someone has a value system and refuses to believe the logical implications of their beliefs (which is when debating or converting people is most fruitful); it's quite another to refuse to accept that someone has a different value system than you, and have reached that different system's logical conclusions. Many people simply don't share the underlying value systems of socialist thought, and that's OK.

/r/anarchism is probably my favorite leftist sub, but really I think you're just not hanging around /r/socialism or /r/communism enough, or talking to enough leftists in the real world. There is an overwhelming sense of smug superiority among these people, which to me is very similar to the "works on paper"/"human nature" line of liberal arguments against leftism.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

especially since the fall of organized fascism, which admittedly also saw a lot of purges

But where have extreme right-wingers held much power since then? Leftist ideology controlled (nominally, anyway) one side of a bipolar world until 1991, fascists and ultranationalists held and hold little. In that situation of course you will see more leftist radicals fighting with each other. Even domestically though, KKK and neo-Nazi type groups are also fairly famous for schisms and internecine fighting.

/r/communism is a shitty Stalinist/Maoist sub and in quite a separate class from most of the other leftist subs. /r/socialism is generally not bad unless someone attacks Lenin or something. However, all reddit subs suffer from having a lot of young immature people in general.

[–]TeeSeventyTwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a good point about control, though it's still true that rightist groups are overall more fluid and amicable than leftist ones. People move from group to group all the time. The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks a lot of this activity.

And yes, those are bad subs because they're on reddit, but they're still bad subs filled with leftists who will defend to the death some really abhorrent people. And those are real people in real life behind those computers. I don't think you can honestly distance yourself from them as easily as you're trying to. That's also a pretty factional way to think about the other leftists on reddit.

[–]fendant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

700% of the time the reddit leftist critique is "But you're still capitalist!" followed by the smug assertion that they've won and I don't know why they think that would be persuasive. It's like watching r/atheists except with Zizek instead of Sagan.

CHECKMATE LIBERALS

[–]DoxxingShillDownvote [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

just FYI: human nature tends to invalidate most strict political ideologies. Thats why I eschew extremism no matter what the form.

[–]ttumblrbots 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]thechapattack [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Man the mod broke out the "human nature" argument. What's next the "socialism only works on paper" or "socialism would work if it were ran by robots" arguments?

[–]max_f_robespierre [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is what happens when your mods believe South Park "truth is somewhere in the middle" bullshit. Libertarians are dumb reactionaries and none of their opinions deserve anything other than laughter.

[–]NoPast [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Ask yourselves why actual leftists are overapresented on ELS:

maybe because deeply deeply progressive liberal share the same assumptions of right-libertarians about capitalism, individualism, "free choice", "personal responsability".

"Yes they are totally pro-business and rich people but you see they are for weed legalization and gay marriage!! They can not be so bad, they are intellectual sparring partner not like the crazy conservatives who are against gay marriage and weed !!buuuh!"

while communitarian ideologies rightly recognize that libertarianism actually propertarianism is even worse than conservatism(proper conservatism not the Republican party) and is the driven force behind hedonistic consumerism, class stratification and atomic individualism and the modern justification for injustice behind the veil of a"meritocracy" ?

Do you believe that is really a coincidence that KiA/Gamergate/FHP/MRA/redpillers group are basically dominated by the obnoxious "economically conservative/socially liberal" type of guys? Do you believe is a coincidence that propertarianism is basically a middle-middle upper class white male with superior complex phenomenon?

[–]RhyssyhR [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ask yourselves why actual leftists are overapresented on ELS:

Because like somebody said in the SLS thread, a sub dedicated to making fun of free-market capitalism is obviously going to attract anti-capitalists.

[–]papabattaglia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I judge this comment to be too serious and exactly the sort of thing the mods over there are sick of seeing. Walls of text explaining why others are ideologically not really who they say they are don't help anyone. I actually agree with you all more than the mods on substance, but no one wants to see self serious walls of text like this in a satirical sub.

[–]verth [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's like you distilled insufferable into one post.

[–]Zalzaron [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's for the better. Some of the submissions were basically:

"LOL, look at this idiot believing in market economics!"

[–]ThrowCarp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Those cowards even ran to /r/ShitLiberalsSays for more reinforcements.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SLS is a truly awful sub (I have had the displeasure of being bashed there at least once) but if you think ELS wasn't dominated by radical users and some minority trouble-makers needed "reinforcements" you should skim through some earlier threads there. This is just a really stupid decision on the part of the ELS mods.

[–]cruelandusualbrogressive brohemian brownshirt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Mao Mao June!

[–]TeeSeventyTwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But seriously, it's hard to understand how irritating it is to have every thread filled with "yeah well this is just a symptom of capitalism in general and anyone who disagrees with me is basically an an-cap" unless you lurk ELS a lot.

I support the move, just not the way they did it. ELS is for making fun of libertarians and an-caps, not spamming leftist ideology. That said, the mods should not have come out so aggressively against leftists, most of whom are completely reasonable posters.