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r/EnoughLibertarianSpam mods Stalin-purge the Socialists from its ranks; Naturally they're not pleased (self.SubredditDrama)

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[–]Antigonus1i 8ポイント9ポイント  (29子コメント)

They know who their users are, and don't like it. They are hoping that by doing this all those users leave and start their own sub.

[–]Angadar [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

I just don't understand why they would do this. It's like 2X going default; you had something kinda-decent - why ruin it?

[–]Antigonus1i [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Because the sub wasn't kind of decent. It was filled with leftists starting petty arguments and mass-downvoting anyone that didn't conform to their fringe ideology. Think of the subreddit like a garden. And there is weeds everywhere not allowing the flowers to prosper. Now the gardener is burning shit down, so that they can plant new seeds.

[–]Angadar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If there were masses of petty arguments, I would've been there. I just really never saw the mass downvotes for anyone not communist, the petty arguments between fringe-leftists, or the hidden non-communist gems you're describing.

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Come on now mate.

There were a variety of different ideologies all co-existing and prospering on ELS, all unified in their dislike of libertarianism. Sometimes people would make liberal arguments against libertarianism, sometimes people would make socialist arguments against libertarianism, but I would rarely see aggressive arguments between liberals and socialists. And, at the end of the day, surely the solution towards people disagreeing with socialist arguments would be debating them, and not banning them.

It seems to me the only ones who're starting petty arguments are the mods, dealing with a non-existant problem in a really childish way.

[–]EightRoundsRapid [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

The more rabid idealogues were driving away quite a few people.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

So why not just ban those users and make it clear in the rules that moderation would cover dogmatic ranting and purity test harassment?

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Which is pretty much what most of the criticisms in that thread said.

If you don't want people soapboxing, fair enough. There are plenty of other subreddits dedicated to discussing Marxism.

However, a rule against soapboxing would have to be universal, and not just against Marxists. All the mods did was offer a really vague suggestion that they didn't want Marxist stuff, and when users questioned whether this meant they couldn't criticise libertarianism from a Marxist perspective, at best they were met with really vague answers, and at worst they were met with dank memes.

[–]Antigonus1i [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

But the marxists are the only ones who are posing a problem. The subreddit doesn't have an issue with moderates soapboxing and mass-downvoting anyone they don't agree with.

[–]potpan0 [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

As someone who is fairly active in that sub, I honestly can't remember seeing this massive far-left brigade that you keep talking about. Did the sub have a left wing sland? Definitely. Would people criticise libertarianism from a Marxist point of view? Yeah. Was this a massive problem? I don't really see how.

If you look at where this whole debacle started, it was back in that Uber thread. The prevailing opinion in the thread was that Uber was a bad company because a lot of it's success (in terms of price) stemmed from bad business practises and tax/regulation dodging. One of the mods took exception in a less than polite way, and after about 5 million child comments, another one of the mods blamed this anti-Uber sentiment on commies.

This whole thing seems like more an issue the mods have with the subs left leaning than some sort of Marxist cabal infiltration.

[–]Antigonus1i [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I stopped commenting in the sub a few months ago because I was tired of getting into petty arguments with ideologues. But the mods are the ones in the best position to judge that, they probably read more of the comments than anyone, and they seem convinced that the problem has gotten out of hand.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

The amount of dogmatic leftists stirring up shit was beginning to be a problem but your metaphor is apt in more ways than you realize. No sane gardener takes a flamethrower to the weeds in their front lawn, they instead spend a few hours weeding, adjusting their fertilizer, re-zoning their garden, etc. ELS is going all-out assault mode on their userbase when a few targeted bans and better moderation policy would fix everything. They are probably going to cripple the further growth and relevance of the sub by choosing this path.

[–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Chauncey Gardner, I presume.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Huh, that sounds like a good movie, with Peter Sellers too? I'm going to watch it when I get my project done.

[–]jackrousseauFriendly Anarchist Shit-Disturber [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That looks like a good movie. I'm going to watch it when I get my project done.